that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. Their mom might be okay and they might say there are some rare women who are all right. But most women are irrational/slutty/lying/etc. I like most men. Even if they're not someone I would want to hang out with because our personalities don't mesh, I don't dislike them. I think most of the guys I've dated have been decent guys, even if things didn't work out. I tend to have more female friends, but one of my favorite people in the world is my guy cousin. I tend to get along pretty well with my friends' husbands and boyfriends, even if they aren't the type of guys I would personally date. I don't think the guys here are representative because I don't think most men dislike women.
fishtaco Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. Their mom might be okay and they might say there are some rare women who are all right. But most women are irrational/slutty/lying/etc. Getting along as friends is different. I had a guy that I was friends with, and we got along fine, until we played in the same band together, then I couldn't stand him. You're talking about different levels of association.
johan Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Some of them I like a lot. Others I could do without. I don't have a problem with the gender though. It's more individual personalities I pay attention to.
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. I like women, I've dated lots of 'em, married one once, might do it again. If I argue with you it doesn't mean I don't like you, it just means you're wrong about something.
TheBigQuestion Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I despise everyone equally and hope for swift human extinction, myself included.
Yer_Blues Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. Their mom might be okay and they might say there are some rare women who are all right. But most women are irrational/slutty/lying/etc. I like most men. Even if they're not someone I would want to hang out with because our personalities don't mesh, I don't dislike them. I think most of the guys I've dated have been decent guys, even if things didn't work out. I tend to have more female friends, but one of my favorite people in the world is my guy cousin. I tend to get along pretty well with my friends' husbands and boyfriends, even if they aren't the type of guys I would personally date. I don't think the guys here are representative because I don't think most men dislike women. I feel like a lot of the lurkers on here are probably not the most successful in their pursuit of women and take out their frustration by hating what they can't have. Then there are the people here who have probably been emotionally burned by women in past experience and are bitter. It's not surprising that there is a lot of anti-women sentiments around here. Then again, a lot of female posters are judgmental as hell and have a tendency to lean feminist in thinking. That might provoke it a bit too. I don't think you can generalize gender in this case any better than in the other threads discussing it. On a personal level, I have a tendency to be extremely distrustful of girls. I think they are too socially perceptive and too good at recognizing cues and being fake to get what they want. I don't seek out a lot of female friends because: 1) It is real ****ty to become attracted to people without the skill to escalate anything to the next level 2) They honestly are far more strict/close minded in my experience. Most of them don't really accept my lifestyle, even on a friendship level. I drink and smoke (not cigs) pretty frequently and have some views that are a bit out of the mainstream. I find males generally more accepting/less critical. However, I don't doubt that I may be projecting a lot of what I discussed earlier onto women. As a whole, I would say intergender communication and comprehension is extremely poor.
Feelin Frisky Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I relate to women better than I do to men. IRL I try to put women at ease with me that I'm not a threat or some kind of hopeless kaboose to my penis. For some reason I have always seemed to attract women who are older and mature. I'm not the bad boy maverick that younger chicks seem to romaticize about. So, I've had lots of platonic friendships with females. Dudes, not so much.
Author that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Author Posted November 10, 2010 The bitterness goes both ways. I have just clearly expressed liking most men. Obviously I don't have bitterness towards men as a group.
carhill Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 My first response out in the world is a neutral one, neither positive nor negative. I tend to see women as people first, then as the opposite gender second. I don't 'like' them or 'dislike' them without substantial interaction, again returning to them being people first. That said, occasionally a person projects a very negative aura and it just ties me up in knots. It's like I know it's going to be a bad day with them before they even interact with anyone. Rarely is that gut instinct wrong. I do everything possible to avoid them. I also get the same feeling around mentally ill people, and did when caring for my mother. I don't know why. Anyway, even with the negative experiences and divorce, I'm not seeing abject prejudice wrt women and have dated a number of times and have no negative feelings about the ladies or the process. Some have been fun.
Author that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Author Posted November 10, 2010 I love women. BUT. . . . That doesnt mean I wont complain here, in a forum about what they do that annoys me. I'm mostly complining about what the average, typical women do, as a whole. The difference though, is that I dont date average women. Women I date are a cut above the rest, and unique. They dont run to a forum to find out whats on my mind They dont avoid my call to make me more interested They dont pick a fight with me to get a reaction I dont feel that most of the women on this forum are true representations of women as a whole in the real world. Now in person you may be different. Just as I'm sure you would never be able to pick me out as the author to my posts, so . . . . . . As I said before, if I dated men, and had to put up with their crap, I would be here b*tching about them just as much too. Reading this, I don't think you like women. There are men that I don't like because they are ignorant, condesending, arrogant, criminal, etc. But I don't pretend those men are typical because I like most men. I don't think most men are bad people. What you wrote is most women suck, but I can find a few decent ones.
Clueless_about_girls Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I have plenty of friends who are girls. I don't hate women at all. Granted I hate awful people, but I think that goes without saying for anyone. Your gender doesn't make me like/hate you anymore or less. I think some people on this site are trolling for the lolz. No way most guys actually think like that (hating all girls, etc.).
skydiveaddict Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I like women, I just don't trust them.
TheMENemy Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. Yes, unfortunately I have to agree with you. The conclusion that I draw from this data point is that a lot of women out there probably need to do a lot more work to make themselves into more likeable people. If that happened, you wouldn't see so much complaining from the men. Their mom might be okay and they might say there are some rare women who are all right. But most women are irrational/slutty/lying/etc. Again I am unfortunately compelled to agree with your observations about why so many men find so many women undesirable. Think about your own relationships with women. Are most women you have ever met in your own life trustworthy? How many truly good female friends, lifelong friends, do you actually have, out of all the females you have ever known? I'll bet you could count those friends on the finger of one hand. I like most men. That's your choice but I don't think you're being selective enough. You have to be very very careful with who you decide to trust, be it men or women. Even if they're not someone I would want to hang out with because our personalities don't mesh, I don't dislike them. Most likely because they are being very superficial with you for some ulterior masculine motive, such as to get into your pants. You are seeing them put their best face on. I think most of the guys I've dated have been decent guys, even if things didn't work out. That's highly unlikely. Or perhaps you've been very lucky in your dating life. I tend to have more female friends, but one of my favorite people in the world is my guy cousin. I tend to get along pretty well with my friends' husbands and boyfriends, even if they aren't the type of guys I would personally date. Hmmmm. That's very interesting. Women who have a lot of guy friends generally tend to have difficulty making friendships with other women, because they're perceived as sexual threats. You must be an exception to that. I don't think the guys here are representative because I don't think most men dislike women. You're entitled to your opinion.
impz Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 (edited) I am not sure about the other guys in the forum (whom at times with their arguments make me think if they hate women with a passion). I personally like women, especially my wife who is pretty much the sweetest and cutest woman you can ever find (in my eyes of course!). I don't have any emotional issues with any woman, I can get women easily before I got married and I am hardly attractive or special. That said, I might just be a lucky man, and probably a very lucky one indeed. Most of the women I have dated before I got married have flaws, but they are hardly bad women that cannot be loved. We were simply incompatible on various grounds. So, I personally cannot see any grounds of hating women. Perhaps those who have met with women that are distasteful, received abuse or extremely toxic relationships with women with undesirable traits. That created an emotional scar that makes them think all women are like that. Obviously, there are others who are less socially adept. It's hard to generalize because every individual is different. I do want to know what made this huge difference between my experience with women and other males in the forum. It is very interesting. Edited November 10, 2010 by impz
phineas Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I don't even hate my ex-wife & she cheated on me & left me pretty much broke. However, i've been the victim to many women & their manipulations (admittedly of my own free will) so when I recognize the signs of such women in a post I will be sure to point it out for the OP's benefit. Oh and That Girl, I was on the fence about you. Until you made that thread on how men like to be treated. I think your pretty neat.
Author that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Author Posted November 10, 2010 The conclusion that I draw from this data point is that a lot of women out there probably need to do a lot more work to make themselves into more likeable people. If that happened, you wouldn't see so much complaining from the men. Incorrect. The issue isn't the women, it is the men. Anyone who can write off people based on their biology has issue. They need to look within themselves to find answers. Again I am unfortunately compelled to agree with your observations about why so many men find so many women undesirable. You're not agreeing with me, you're a troll who is trying to insult me. Think about your own relationships with women. Are most women you have ever met in your own life trustworthy? How many truly good female friends, lifelong friends, do you actually have, out of all the females you have ever known? I'll bet you could count those friends on the finger of one hand. I said it in my inital post, most of my friends are women. I don't have dozens of life long friends (I think it is impossible to have that many good friends long term), but I have more than one hand's worth and they are all women. I think most women are decent like most men. Most likely because they are being very superficial with you for some ulterior masculine motive, such as to get into your pants. You are seeing them put their best face on. Maybe, but I doubt it. And even if it is true my assuming that most men are as decent as most women doesn't harm me.
MyNameIsJonas Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I like women, I just don't trust them. Quoted for truth. I'm part of the portion of this poster population that has been burned by women in the past. I like them, but have acquired this predisposition where almost every semi-attractive to attractive woman I meet is insane and will probably make my life more stressful. Thus, I'm friendly, but avoid anything beyond that. I really need to drop this mentality but it is going to take one amazing woman to break me from this mindset. Engagement ring quality.
Kamille Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Think about your own relationships with women. Are most women you have ever met in your own life trustworthy? How many truly good female friends, lifelong friends, do you actually have, out of all the females you have ever known? I'll bet you could count those friends on the finger of one hand. Yes, most of the women I've met in my life are trust worthy. I have a good people picker in general, so I could add that most of the men I met are also trust worthy. I have so many lifelong friends who are women, I need both my hands and a few toes to count them all. Thinking about them makes me joyful. They're amazing people.
Mad Max Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I like women, but I just don't believe anything they say. Then again, I don't believe what anyone says. I tend to look at actions. An individual can say whatever they want, but their actions will speak volumes.
TheMENemy Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Incorrect. The issue isn't the women, it is the men. That's not what you said in your first post. You clearly stated that it seemed to you that many men did not like most women, and wondered why. Then you posted a listing of undesirable traits that many men seemed to be attributing to the women. What you posted made perfect sense, and I agreed with it. Now you are changing your entire thread into something different, a rant against men. If that's what you wanted to do in the first place, then that's what you should have done. Honestly, directly, and without subterfuge. The way you tried to present your viewpoint--initially as an open-minded inquiry, but which was actually an attempted straw man for you to knock down--is a perfect example of why many men regard many women as having undesirable characteristics, such as a lack of trustworthiness. Anyone who can write off people based on their biology has issue. Do you realize that you just indicted YOURSELF? Your prior statement was that "The issue...is the men." So you just "wrote people off based on their biology." Because they are "men." This is another undesirable trait that many men often attribute to many women: irrationality combined with hypocrisy. They need to look within themselves to find answers. I agree. Since you just wrote off all "men" based on their biology, according to your OWN ARGUMENT, the problem is YOU and YOU need to "look within yourself to find answers." Unfortunately for you, you can't tell me I'm wrong, because I'm just applying your own reasoning to yourself. Frustrating to have your irrationality and hypocrisy pointed out so easily, isn't it? This is the type of thing that will probably set you off an an emotional rant, but nevertheless, your words speak for themselves. You're not agreeing with me, you're a troll who is trying to insult me. I didn't insult you at all, what I did was completely demolish your supposed "argument" by pointing out that it clearly applies to you, based on your own words in this post, and therefore, the matter should end. You need to look for your answers "within yourself" because you attacked the entire male gender. Also, the only one who tried to insult anyone was YOU. You just called me a "troll" which is an insult. It's remarkable that you could be so completely irrational and hypocritical that you would blatantly insult me in the VERY SAME SENTENCE in which you were making a completely specious claim that I insulted you. I said it in my inital post, most of my friends are women. I don't have dozens of life long friends (I think it is impossible to have that many good friends long term), but I have more than one hand's worth and they are all women. I think most women are decent like most men. No further detailed discussion is necessary since we've established based on your line of argument, that anyone who takes issue with an entire gender needs to look "within themselves" for the answer. Look into yourself. Maybe, but I doubt it. And even if it is true my assuming that most men are as decent as most women doesn't harm me. I think we're done here.
somedude81 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I really don't know why I still like women. I feel like a dog that gets kicked, and keeps coming back for more.
TouchedByViolet Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I like women. I like looking at many of them, talking to a few of them, friending even fewer, and loving just a small minority.
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