112233 Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 I look around and see bad mothers everywhere around me. I see some good ones too, but overall the ones I see are bad by my standards. I see mostly great mothers and fathers, but then I live in an area full of foreigners.
sally4sara Posted November 9, 2010 Posted November 9, 2010 Since you first mentioned that trend I've noticed that when talking to people about their specific problems... I don't have the same feeling as when I talking about things in general. Which is a weird dichotomy. I have noticed this about you to and tailored by responses to you due to it. You are much more thoughtful on a one to one basis.
John018 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 This thread makes me think back to a recent experience I had with a woman (spoke about her in another thread). We were talking about boxing and she suddenly turns to me and says something along the lines of "You don't seem like the type to do that" - basically insinuating that I'm not man enough to get in the ring with someone. It was meant as a way to indicate that she was not interested in me but looking back on it I think it was unnecessary. Kinda makes me see her in a new light.
Woggle Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 No it doesn't Woggle, if those are in fact their reasoning. I have seen a few posters (including myself) wonder what kind of woman would gravitate to a man who claims to be so outspoken against women who idealize equality. It took me a while to figure out when you say feminist, you are not talking about real feminists so I use to wonder about your wife. Can't recall insulting her though. But you have insulted me directly before. Pretty sure I dished it back to you cuz that's what I do when I'm insulted. I apologize for insulting you but I had an image of you in my head that was not who you really are. Now I know better. What I hope you understand is that men hear the word feminist they have an entirely different image in their head than what a woman like you envisions. To many men feminist is just another word for misandrist
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 What I hope you understand is that men hear the word feminist they have an entirely different image in their head than what a woman like you envisions. Two faced ball buster is what comes to mind.
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 What I hope you understand is that men hear the word feminist they have an entirely different image in their head than what a woman like you envisions. To many men feminist is just another word for misandrist Woggle, you do not speak for all men.
Woggle Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Woggle, you do not speak for all men. I never claimed to but my views are commonly held one. If you knew me a few years ago you would actually see how far I have come in not being so bitter towards the opposite sex. I am serious about that. S4S used to have me blocked and we used to pretty much hate each other but nowadays we can actually have a civil dialogue even if we don't always agree.
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I never claimed to but my views are commonly held one. If you knew me a few years ago you would actually see how far I have come in not being so bitter towards the opposite sex. I am serious about that. S4S used to have me blocked and we used to pretty much hate each other but nowadays we can actually have a civil dialogue even if we don't always agree. You did claim your views are the commonly held ones: men hear the word feminist they have an entirely different image in their head than what a woman like you envisions I get that you have issues, that is your cross to bear, but it isn't fair to spew them on other people.
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I get that you have issues, that is your cross to bear, but it isn't fair to spew them on other people. Actually, in all fairness, if you look at the statements and programs and so on put out by the top funded best known "womens groups", AKA feminists, like NOW and so on, it's not a pretty sight. "All sex is rape", anyone?
Woggle Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Log on to men's forum. I am not talking about a bitter man's board but something like the message board's for men's health magazine or a sport's forum and ask them what they think about feminism. Let's see what kind of answer you get.
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Actually, in all fairness, if you look at the statements and programs and so on put out by the top funded best known "womens groups", AKA feminists, like NOW and so on, it's not a pretty sight. "All sex is rape", anyone? Okay, let's take a look at NOW. This is their list of current actions http://www.now.org/actions/ Issues they are involved with include funding for social security, concerns about the retirement age, funding for domestic violence shelters, abortion rights, and rights for women in other countries. There is also an appeal to have Simpson step down because of comments that he made about social security (not gender). I can see how someone could disagree with abortion and I know some men's right crazies have problems with domestic violence shelters, but none of this stuff is man hating. It is pretty standard progessive politics with a pretty specific emphasis on women's issues. As for the idea that all sex is rape, that was Dworkin and McKinney, at least one of whom is dead. It was always pretty radical and has never been a common belief. It has always been pretty fringe.
TheMENemy Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I've notice time and again that when a woman chooses to insult a man she typically goes for gender role style insults. Insinuating that he "isn't a real man". Why? Of all the insults you can toss at a guy... why overwhelmingly choose this one? Or I often see an attack on the man's success with women. Why? Is that how we guys should measure ourselves? I rarely hear men say... "your not a real woman". Instead I see men taking a more standard insult and applying it to women in general. Why? Would it not make more sense to go after her overall success with men? That kind of derogatory comment is often considered acceptable by forum etiquette. Tiresome, lazy, non-original "man-hatred," hollow echoes of the rabid feminism of the "Ms." era in the 1970's. They insult this way because they're too slothful and unintelligent to actually think of something creative and funny.
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Log on to men's forum. I am not talking about a bitter man's board but something like the message board's for men's health magazine or a sport's forum and ask them what they think about feminism. Let's see what kind of answer you get. Yeah and if I head over to a Tea Party site I can read about how Obama is a Muslim terrorist with a fake birth certificate. I don't take that to represent all political conservatives. I recognize crazy when I see it.
TheMENemy Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 ...or the teensy weensy miniscule one, depending on whose manhood we're talking about. That wouldn't be yours, would it?
theBrokenMuse Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Actually, in all fairness, if you look at the statements and programs and so on put out by the top funded best known "womens groups", AKA feminists, like NOW and so on, it's not a pretty sight. "All sex is rape", anyone? Come now, the S.C.U.M manifesto was done ages ago during some of the most turbulent times of the movement by a woman who was later forcibly admitted to a psych ward for her issues yet some other extremists considered her to be some sort of hero which is just insane considering her hateful, distorted view of reality... when it comes to political movements and ideologies there are always going to be zealots that are either used as pawns for the "cause" by opportunists or wrongly labeled as the 'norm' by the opposition. I'm just hoping you agree that such outlandishly sick views about men is an extremist position and not one that is commonly held by women. Personally, it repulses me that humans like her even exist.
TheMENemy Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I've seen cheap shots fly from all sides...when it comes to insulting gender roles, I think that the way some men on LS (and elsewhere) tend to do it is by insinuating that women are illogical, irrational over-emotional, blah blah. Cheap shots that are designed to piss people off, just like the manhood thing. Same diff. Whether someone's argument is logical or not can be ascertained by reading it. The same cannot be said about someone's manhood or womanhood.
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Okay, let's take a look at NOW. Do that. Look at the stuff they actually fund, like opposition to laws that would enable a man to stop paying child support to children that can be proved, by DNA, not his. Support of welfare for women in the guise of pay equality. It goes on and on.
Woggle Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 NOW at the time certainly seemed to idolize her. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas#After_assassination_attempt
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 NOW at the time certainly seemed to idolize her. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas#After_assassination_attempt It's the feminist equivalent of dating a fat chick I guess?
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 NOW at the time certainly seemed to idolize her. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas#After_assassination_attempt Two women does not equal the entire group. But more importantly, this happened before I was born. To me, it is like judging a 20 year old German as anti-Semetic because of the third reich.
112233 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Two women does not equal the entire group. But more importantly, this happened before I was born. To me, it is like judging a 20 year old German as anti-Semetic because of the third reich. Only if they say they're a Nazi, actually.
theBrokenMuse Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 NOW at the time certainly seemed to idolize her. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas#After_assassination_attempt Yep, it's sickening how so many political movements are willing to utilize the fanatic for their own gains. I could barely read what she wrote. That level of madness mixed with intense hatred is utterly painful to digest.
that girl Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Do that. Look at the stuff they actually fund, like opposition to laws that would enable a man to stop paying child support to children that can be proved, by DNA, not his. Support of welfare for women in the guise of pay equality. It goes on and on. First, find me a link to a reputable source. I can say 11223 has cooties, doesn't make it true. Second, the courts generally rule againist ending child support because of a DNA test if the man has been acting as the child's father. Reason being, it isn't in the best interest of the child. I'm not sure I agree with those decisions, but let's not pretend they are some man hating thing feminists put forwards. Family court judges rule in the child's best interest and they support that whether or not it is misguided.
theBrokenMuse Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Second, the courts generally rule againist ending child support because of a DNA test if the man has been acting as the child's father. Reason being, it isn't in the best interest of the child. Meh. More like the best interest of the state. They don't want to have to dole out welfare or other funding if they can keep some poor soul that a woman duped into believing a child was his on the hook. It's immoral and utterly reprehensible to force a man to pay for a child that is not his. I feel sorry for the child but we can't trump a grown man's rights in order to better suit a child he has no responsibility for.
Woggle Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Yep, it's sickening how so many political movements are willing to utilize the fanatic for their own gains. I could barely read what she wrote. That level of madness mixed with intense hatred is utterly painful to digest. Picture hearing that everyday growing up from the one woman you are suposed to be able to trust and depend on and you will understand a little bit more where I am coming from. This is the kind of stuff that helped to make feminist a dirty word.
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