When somebody says "lower your standards" or "stay in your league"

[ScreamingTrees]

I think the brunette girl is more attractive. She has a prettier face and is closer to an hourglass shape. The blonde girl hardly has a waist.

 

But obviously people are going to disagree on which girl is prettier or more attractive, which is why this league-based-on-appearance-only thing is useless.

 

I agree that the brunette (in my opinion) is still better looking than the blonde.. Personally, I don't really care for blondes to begin with, but I wouldn't say that I'm being biased. Goes to show how subjective this all is. I also don't see how the brunette has weight problems, I'd rather the girl have SOME meat on her bones.. Some people can be so picky and close minded, I guess

[Akherousia]

This is the heart of the matter. The concept of leagues, doesn't apply to women.

 

Just by being average, a woman can easily get men who should be out of her league.

 

When both the common woman and the princess want and can get the prince, who would gladly sleep with both of them, what is the common man to do?

 

 

Accept things as they are. Evolution doesn't care about your feelings; the quality of the species is what matters the most.

 

You're not entitled to sex. You're not entitled to emotional intimacy. You're not entitled to anything. You either manage to reproduce or you're a genetic dead end.

 

Now, you can accept the reality that women can have sex whenever women want it, that women can have sex and can catch the attentions of above average males - while the women are average - or you can continue with your endless whinning about how women aren't giving to you want you want from them.

 

What do you have to offer? Are you tall? Do you have tall genes? Are you rich? Are you famous? Are you some sort of Genius? So? Were you somehow blessed with anything productive? What's your social status? Do you have blue blood?

 

Yes?

 

Buddy, Steve Jobs is far richer than you'll ever be. Are you going to spend your entire life crying because Steve Jobs had the brains and the luck to become as rich as he is, or do you accept what is?

 

Apply the same principle. Stop pinning for women. Why am I saying this? Because although you might find someone to pay you attention, you will never have the same powerbase that most rich/good looking/tall guys have which means you'd be a beggar, always worrying about being dumped/traded by the woman you were with.

 

And when you realize that sex is the most powerful drug ever produced by nature, you'll understand that... you'd be looking for sex like a crack head looks for heroine.

 

Now, I don't really care whether you need a woman to feel complete or that a pretty lady gave you a candy when you were a little sick child and that made you want to make a woman very happy.

 

You are not put on this world to be cuddled. I do not care about your emotional needs. What I do care about is how you are putting yourself down time and time again by putting so much value on women, not on yourself.

 

Women want attractive males because the attractive males have the genes that women want. By mating with attractive males or with the tall males, women make sure their genetic line is going to spread into eternity as all women are attracted to the same traits, most women will seek to mate with the "tall, dark and handsome".

 

You are not one of them? That's fine. Sir Isaac Newton wasn't one of them. Beethoven wasn't one of them. If they were beings of such personal power, so can you go beyond your urges and "emotional needs".

 

Get over it. And I'm not in the mood(I'm too logical) for a guy or a gal to come and tell me that I "can't see the magic of love" or some fairy tale, 21th century Hollywood fantasy.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Akherousia

[GoodOnPaper]

So plain people can't have good sex? Its a fallacious argument.

 

What ???Seriously? You think physical appearance is a reliable indicator of outstanding connections, intimacy and quality sex?

 

My experience is limited but these have been serious questions in my mid-life philosophical journey.

 

1. Having no casual sex experience myself, I have to go largely from LS postings, but it seems that women's attraction to the set of guys they choose for ONSs, FBs, etc. is MUCH stronger than to the set of guys they choose for relationships. Seems paradoxical -- while the "relationship guys" are recognized for their potential in household providing and child raising, they are still secondary sex options.

 

2. In my own life, I have a wife who -- outside the bedroom -- is incredibly dedicated to our marriage and family. Inside the bedroom, things are very vanilla. I've never been able to figure out her actual attraction level.

 

I was hoping that I could find an intimacy with one woman that would make up for my lack of success when I was single -- is that too much to hope for if you're not in that top echelon of physical attractiveness? To me, the answer to that question determines if "staying in my league" is "lowering my standards" too much.

[Akherousia]

LMAO.

 

Natalie Portman is one of the most beautiful actresses on the planet.

 

The male ego really has no bounds...

 

Have you ever been to Italy? Spain? Portugal? Sweden?Brazil? Mexico? Argentina? How can you say Natalie Portman is one of the most beautiful actresses on the planet?

[northern_sky]

 

1. Having no casual sex experience myself, I have to go largely from LS postings, but it seems that women's attraction to the set of guys they choose for ONSs, FBs, etc. is MUCH stronger than to the set of guys they choose for relationships. Seems paradoxical -- while the "relationship guys" are recognized for their potential in household providing and child raising, they are still secondary sex options.

 

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Or maybe these are guys who they do want relationships with but end up settling for crumbs because they find them so attractive? Really attractive men have more options and would be less likely to settle down and more likely to be player types.

[northern_sky]

Have you ever been to Italy? Spain? Portugal? Sweden?Brazil? Mexico? Argentina? How can you say Natalie Portman is one of the most beautiful actresses on the planet?

 

Because I have an excellent memory for faces and have seen thousands upon thousands of actresses in my movie obsession over the years (which includes foreign films), both lesser known and more famous faces.

[Akherousia]

My experience is limited but these have been serious questions in my mid-life philosophical journey.

 

1. Having no casual sex experience myself, I have to go largely from LS postings, but it seems that women's attraction to the set of guys they choose for ONSs, FBs, etc. is MUCH stronger than to the set of guys they choose for relationships. Seems paradoxical -- while the "relationship guys" are recognized for their potential in household providing and child raising, they are still secondary sex options.

 

2. In my own life, I have a wife who -- outside the bedroom -- is incredibly dedicated to our marriage and family. Inside the bedroom, things are very vanilla. I've never been able to figure out her actual attraction level.

 

I was hoping that I could find an intimacy with one woman that would make up for my lack of success when I was single -- is that too much to hope for if you're not in that top echelon of physical attractiveness? To me, the answer to that question determines if "staying in my league" is "lowering my standards" too much.

 

Studies(google it) indicate that women look for masculine(tall, dark, handsome) guys when they are ovulating. Since the entire purpose of life is to reproduce itself - and better itslef - it does make sense for a woman to pick the most good looking guy around.

 

Who would you pick? Brad Pitt or average joe? Doesn't matter that Brad Pitt would probably flee the scene, Nature wants Mankind to produce itself in better ways thus the woman would always prefer the Brad Pitt for the ONS instead of the average guy with the money(assuming Brad Pitt was poor).

 

That's how nature is. This has been known for thousands of years. I'm amazed at how people still talk about "women not going after the good, warm - hearted guy".

 

Give me a break.

[Akherousia]

Because I have an excellent memory for faces and have seen thousands upon thousands of actresses in my movie obsession over the years (which includes foreign films), both lesser known and more famous faces.

 

Indeed? Then watch Brazilian Soap operas. Watch Daniela Ruah(some TV show I don't remember). Watch Monica Belluci. At the age of what, 40? She's still far more beautiful than most women alive and funny, she's all natural. Natalie Portman is a walking bag of bones. Then we have other women like katherine heigl, Sophia Lauren, Patricia Velasquez, and a LOT more women, both European, South American, African And North American - all better looking than Natalie Portman.

 

Take into consideration that Hollywood thrives in making their women "beautiful beyond belief", when the truth is that without their expensive clothes, hair does, and the make- up, photshop and so on, those women are average at best.

[Akherousia]

Or maybe these are guys who they do want relationships with but end up settling for crumbs because they find them so attractive? Really attractive men have more options and would be less likely to settle down and more likely to be player types.

 

Hm, I remember a cousin of mine,a woman, telling me that it's dangerous to date an attractive male because attractive males are always being chased by women. It does make sense to use what you have. Cristiano Ronaldo is the best soccer player in the world(and a model no less). He can pretty much do whatever he wants with the ball.

 

Would it make sense for him to leave soccer behind and dedicate himself to fishing? Very attractive males will enjoy what they can, that is, they will have a lot of girlfriends or sex relationships.

 

it's up to women to decide, "do I want to have sex with a very attractive male, or do I have to have a relationship in which I can feel safe?"

[GoodOnPaper]

Studies(google it) indicate that women look for masculine(tall, dark, handsome) guys when they are ovulating. Since the entire purpose of life is to reproduce itself - and better itslef - it does make sense for a woman to pick the most good looking guy around.

 

Who would you pick? Brad Pitt or average joe? Doesn't matter that Brad Pitt would probably flee the scene, Nature wants Mankind to produce itself in better ways thus the woman would always prefer the Brad Pitt for the ONS instead of the average guy with the money(assuming Brad Pitt was poor).

 

That's how nature is. This has been known for thousands of years. I'm amazed at how people still talk about "women not going after the good, warm - hearted guy".

 

Give me a break.

 

sorry. I don't care how bad looking or a "nice guy" that I am, if a woman wants me to spend my life with her, she had better show me the degree of physical attraction that she would toward her most desired ONS candidate.

[northern_sky]

Indeed? Then watch Brazilian Soap operas. Watch Daniela Ruah(some TV show I don't remember). Watch Monica Belluci. At the age of what, 40? She's still far more beautiful than most women alive and funny, she's all natural. Natalie Portman is a walking bag of bones. Then we have other women like katherine heigl, Sophia Lauren, Patricia Velasquez, and a LOT more women, both European, South American, African And North American - all better looking than Natalie Portman.

 

Take into consideration that Hollywood thrives in making their women "beautiful beyond belief", when the truth is that without their expensive clothes, hair does, and the make- up, photshop and so on, those women are average at best.

 

Obviously our tastes are very different. The only woman on that list who is genuinely more beautiful than Natalie is Monica Bellucci and *possibly* Sophia Loren. The rest, while also extremely beautiful, aren't quite on Natalie's level, imo. They're mostly more bland, which is probably why they never gained the same star power (except for Katherine I guess). Just goes to show how subjective this is.

[Akherousia]

sorry. I don't care how bad looking or a "nice guy" that I am, if a woman wants me to spend my life with her, she had better show me the degree of physical attraction that she would toward her most desired ONS candidate.

 

You know, that's the nail waiting to be hit by the hammer; you don't get her horny.

 

The fact that you are a good father and a good husband and a good provider doesn't translate into sex. It doesn't work that way. It never did. Women married the men they married and had sex with them because they had to. They couldn't get a job. They couldn't do anything outside of the household so many had lovers. Many tricked their husbands into raising a child that belonged to another man.

 

Nature cannot be moved. Nature cannot be changed. Do you think Paul Newman's wife stayed with him for more than 50 years because of his kind personality? Because of his money(there were others with money)?

 

Because of his parental skills? No, his wife stayed with him because he made her horny. He was the most beautiful male Hollywod had ever produced until then and he was ALL natural.

 

This is not a contract from the 19th century. Your wife -as it should be - is only going to have sex with you because she wants to have sex and why do people have sex?

 

For "emotional intimacy", for pleasure, and for monetary gain/financial security.

 

So? Why do you think your wife had sex with you? And what are you going to do about it?

[brainygirl]

sorry. I don't care how bad looking or a "nice guy" that I am, if a woman wants me to spend my life with her, she had better show me the degree of physical attraction that she would toward her most desired ONS candidate.

 

I doubt women are marrying men they aren't attracted to. I think when a loving relationship develops people become more attracted to each other than they were immediately upon meeting, that's why its called "falling in love" and sex in these relationships is "making love" . On the other hand, sex in ONS is about sex, getting physical needs met and the two people doing it are using each other for hte purpose.

[Akherousia]

I doubt women are marrying men they aren't attracted to. I think when a loving relationship develops people become more attracted to each other than they were immediately upon meeting, that's why its called "falling in love" and sex in these relationships is "making love" . On the other hand, sex in ONS is about sex, getting physical needs met and the two people doing it are using each other for hte purpose.

 

Studies show that beyond the "tall, dark and handsome" factor, a distinct difference in how the man they have ONS with smells, and how their husband/boyfriend/whatever it is smells, is one of the main reasons for a woman to have ONS or to cheat on her boyfriend or husband.

 

As for women not marrying men they aren't attracted to; I don't think Hugh Hefner is having that many women(and as young and produced as they are) because of the love they feel for him. Or has he been donating money lately?

 

There are a lot of playboys out there marrying women they aren't attracted to. A friend of mine is living(and she's paying for it) with a woman he's not into but he can live with that. Never put into doubt the power of greed.

[Akherousia]

Obviously our tastes are very different. The only woman on that list who is genuinely more beautiful than Natalie is Monica Bellucci and *possibly* Sophia Loren. The rest, while also extremely beautiful, aren't quite on Natalie's level, imo. They're mostly more bland, which is probably why they never gained the same star power (except for Katherine I guess). Just goes to show how subjective this is.

 

Natalie Portman has rat hair. Natalie Portman has thin lips(compare that to Sophie Lauren's or Belluci's lips). Natalie Portman has no breasts. She has no butt. A woman's beauty is not only her face and Natalie is quite average if you take a walk in a city like Stockholm, even in places like Spain you can find someone to at least look as "attractive" as Natalie Portman.

 

Natalie Portman has star power? Where? She's famous because of Star Wars. Watch the Ladies from the golden age of Cinema. Google the great love of Alain Delon.

 

As if a walking bag of bones(Natalie Portman) could come close to the star power, to the grace, to the charm, to the absolute beauty of Grace Kelly(or any other true DIVA from true Cinema).

 

But that's a matter of taste. I suppose.

[northern_sky]

You assume that every woman will melt into a puddle when some hot dope comes along. Cristiano Ronaldo, for example. Even if I were the most beautiful woman in the world, and he wanted to date me, I wouldn't be interested. Why? He looks like an idiot. I like smart men, and intelligence is far more compelling to me than attractiveness. That's not to say I don't care about looks, but a guy's got to have a big more going for him than being hot. The truth is I'd rather date a guy who was above average looking and really smart as opposed to some model with no brain. Lack of intelligence is the ultimate deal breaker.

[Akherousia]

You assume that every woman will melt into a puddle when some hot dope comes along. Cristiano Ronaldo, for example. Even if I were the most beautiful woman in the world, and he wanted to date me, I wouldn't be interested. Why? He looks like an idiot. I like smart men, and intelligence is far more compelling to me than attractiveness. That's not to say I don't care about looks, but a guy's got to have a big more going for him than being hot. The truth is I'd rather date a guy who was above average looking and really smart as opposed to some model with no brain. Lack of intelligence is the ultimate deal breaker.

 

How easy it is to be away from one of the world's most attractive males and say that. Reminds me of all the guys who said they wouldn't ask Susan Sue out because she was acting like a brat but as soon as that dress of her came rustling down the stairs...

 

I'm just going to say that I am not interested in Brad Pitt.

 

The truth is I'd rather date a guy who was above average looking and really smart as opposed to some model with no brain. Lack of intelligence is the ultimate deal breaker

 

Ah. Prince Charming. But you know, Princes usually marry women who are very beautiful or very rich so "I'd rather" is senseless and it's a waste of time and effort to type, think, and hope for it.

 

I'd love to bang Brad Pitt and have the money of Bill Gates and for Brad Pitt to recite Homer's poetry to me, and I'd like to have him tell me all about Drake's equation.

 

Fantasy. There's a reason why they're called fantasies.

 

And just you know, Cristiano Ronaldo is no dummy. He speaks Spanish and English, perfectly. He didn't pursue higher education because, when you are worth 100 million euros, a monthly wage of 900.000 euros, and countless other incomes..

 

You really don't care about having a degree. Trust me. He's enjoying his "lack of brains" when he's banging his extremely attractive girlfriend(of the moment).

[northern_sky]

Natalie Portman has rat hair. Natalie Portman has thin lips(compare that to Sophie Lauren's or Belluci's lips). Natalie Portman has no breasts. She has no butt. A woman's beauty is not only her face and Natalie is quite average if you take a walk in a city like Stockholm, even in places like Spain you can find someone to at least look as "attractive" as Natalie Portman.

 

Natalie Portman has star power? Where? She's famous because of Star Wars. Watch the Ladies from the golden age of Cinema. Google the great love of Alain Delon.

 

As if a walking bag of bones(Natalie Portman) could come close to the star power, to the grace, to the charm, to the absolute beauty of Grace Kelly(or any other true DIVA from true Cinema).

 

But that's a matter of taste. I suppose.

 

Yeah, again you're only reinforcing how different our tastes are. Natalie Portman's lips are not thin. If anything they're lush. Yes, there are many beautiful women from classic cinema, a number more beautiful than Natalie, but I was talking about current actresses. To be honest, I've also never been a huge fan of Swedish beauty. *runs and hides*

[northern_sky]

How easy it is to be away from one of the world's most attractive males and say that. Reminds me of all the guys who said they wouldn't ask Susan Sue out because she was acting like a brat but as soon as that dress of her came rustling down the stairs...

 

I'm just going to say that I am not interested in Brad Pitt.

 

The truth is I'd rather date a guy who was above average looking and really smart as opposed to some model with no brain. Lack of intelligence is the ultimate deal breaker

 

Ah. Prince Charming. But you know, Princes usually marry women who are very beautiful or very rich so "I'd rather" is senseless and it's a waste of time and effort to type, think, and hope for it.

 

I'd love to bang Brad Pitt and have the money of Bill Gates and for Brad Pitt to recite Homer's poetry to me, and I'd like to have him tell me all about Drake's equation.

 

Fantasy. There's a reason why they're called fantasies.

 

And just you know, Cristiano Ronaldo is no dummy. He speaks Spanish and English, perfectly. He didn't pursue higher education because, when you are worth 100 million euros, a monthly wage of 900.000 euros, and countless other incomes..

 

You really don't care about having a degree. Trust me. He's enjoying his "lack of brains" when he's banging his extremely attractive girlfriend(of the moment).

 

Above average looking + very smart = prince charming? That's news to me. Please. I can walk down a street and find ten guys who fit that description.

[Akherousia]

Above average looking + very smart = prince charming? That's news to me. I guess most of my past boyfriends were prince charmings then. Please. I can walk down a street and find ten guys who fit that description.

 

Ah, so now you're bragging. So why are they ex boyfriends?

 

"You assume every woman will melt into a puddle when some hot dope comes along."

 

most males melt as soon as woman touches them. Don't think that any average man wouldn't die if Angelina Jolie kissed him. Since most women are average(as are most men), yes, most women are going to melt and regress to their 15 year old self as soon as Gerard Butler smiles at them.

 

Please. I can walk down a street and find ten guys who fit that description.

 

Then explain to me how so many women can't find a guy to their liking?

 

Stockholm has women from all places. There are women from Turkey. There are women from italy and France. You should def. watch some Brazilian Soap operas. Pretty much every average woman in Brazil tops Natalie Portman in Beauty, body and sex appeal.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Akherousia

[northern_sky]

Ah, so now you're bragging. So why are they ex boyfriends?

 

"You assume every woman will melt into a puddle when some hot dope comes along."

 

most males melt as soon as woman touches them. Don't think that any average man wouldn't die if Angelina Jolie kissed him. Since most women are average(as are most men), yes, most women are going to melt and regress to their 15 year old self as soon as Gerard Butler smiles at them.

 

Please. I can walk down a street and find ten guys who fit that description.

 

Then explain to me how so many women can't find a guy to their liking?

 

Because I dumped some of them and some of them dumped me. You know, the way relationships typically end.

 

As I said, intelligence is the ultimate deal-breaker for me. A guy can look like a model but if he's not smart, my libido withers. I'm sure there are a lot of women who don't care about brains.

 

Most women can't find a guy to their liking because they have different tastes. As I said, a lot of women don't prioritize intelligence in a mate and will instead prize hotness or muscles or wealth or *******s, etc. etc.

 

As an example a guy that I find very attractive my roommate says she would never date, and I would never date her boyfriend even though to her he is perfect.

[Akherousia]

Because I dumped some of them and some of them dumped me. You know, the way relationships typically end.

 

As I said, intelligence is the ultimate deal-breaker for me. A guy can look like a model but if he's not smart, my libido withers. I'm sure there are a lot of women who don't care about brains.

 

Most women can't find a guy to their liking because they have different tastes. As I said, a lot of women don't prioritize intelligence in a mate and will instead prize hotness or muscles or wealth or *******s, etc. etc.

 

As an example a guy that I find very attractive my roommate says she would never date, and I would never date her boyfriend even though to her he is perfect.

 

So Basically you are using a different definition for what most women think as hot. Since you are an average woman, I assume that what makes you think of a man as "hot" is his brains.

 

But then you say that your past boyfriends were very good looking and had the brains. I'm confused here. You're also very insecure about how you look and you are an average woman. I'm not quite following. Most very good looking guys don't waste time on a woman because they have options. And most guys with options aren't up to the task of being a woman's private shrink. So what's your secret? What do you have so different from all the other women?

 

There are a lot of good looking women with brains, I'm not seeing why you'd have so many very good looking boyfriends(and with brains) when there are so many women complaining of a lack of good boyfriends.

 

Are you rich?

[northern_sky]

So Basically you are using a different definition for what most women think as hot. Since you are an average woman, I assume that what makes you think of a man as "hot" is his brains.

 

But then you say that your past boyfriends were very good looking and had the brains. I'm confused here. You're also very insecure about how you look and you are an average woman. I'm not quite following. Most very good looking guys don't waste time on a woman because they have options. And most guys with options aren't up to the task of being a woman's private shrink. So what's your secret? What do you have so different from all the other women?

 

There are a lot of good looking women with brains, I'm not seeing why you'd have so many very good looking boyfriends(and with brains) when there are so many women complaining of a lack of good boyfriends.

 

Are you rich?

 

how do you know I'm average?

[Akherousia]

how do you know I'm average?

 

I can read. I have eyes to see. I have seen other Countries besides America. I have been near perfectly looking women and men. I have seen true physical perfection, natural perfection. I know what average is. There's nothing wrong about it. Most people are average and most people can have good, productive lives.

 

Oh, and you kinda have a thread on this forum with pictures.

[northern_sky]

I can read. I have eyes to see. I have seen other Countries besides America. I have been near perfectly looking women and men. I have seen true physical perfection, natural perfection. I know what average is. There's nothing wrong about it. Most people are average and most people can have good, productive lives.

 

Oh, and you kinda have a thread on this forum with pictures.

 

No, I took my pictures down a few hours after I posted that thread (a few days ago) and you opened your account today. Which tells me you either didn't see my pictures or you're a regular user hiding behind a new account (and I think I can guess who ), which basically invalidates your opinion to me. But nice try with the new account...

 

As you'll notice most of the men who responded to my thread said they thought I was above average or attractive. This is what I mean about beauty being subjective. Some attractive guys find me average, others find me very attractive, as I'm sure any guy I've dated will attest.

 

It doesn't hurt that I'm hella smart and a great conversationalist.

Edited November 7, 2010 by northern_sky