People dont really know what a nice guy is. And what games that guys have to go...

[Nemicron]

Ok there's been stuff floating around that I've noticed. People either think nice guys are weak or whatever. Which is total BS.

 

Or Girls think that nice guys aren't getting any because they aren't pushing themselves enough which is also BS. People that think that. Dont know what they are talking about. And no being the nice guy isn't an excuse.

 

I'm inviting anyone Girl or guy to post on here and add some of the nice qualities that attract them. And maybe we could compare them. AND MAYBE we can make each other side understand for a change.

 

 

And as a side note: Yes I'm bitter. But again I have every right to be. You would be too. If you'd seen half the crap I have. I'm not gonna kiss anyone's butt because I think its what they want you to hear. I'm not shallow like that And I have seen some guys on these threads that are like that.

[skydiveaddict]

I have no nice qualities. Nor would I want them. Girls do not like "nice" guys and never will

[Jannah]

OK....

 

Would you be attracted to and/or sleep with Megan Fox if she wasn't nice in real life?

[Nemicron]

Maybe its because they aren't understanding it. Have you ever tried to explain something to someone that just couldn't get it. I have. Its more frustrating then anything. So Thats why maybe this thread will help explain both sides. I'm tired of girls thinking its just because we aren't asserting ourselves. I was a nice guy until I had all this bad crap happen to me. Now I could give a flying rats butt what people think. I'm not sugar coating anything anymore.

 

I have no nice qualities. Nor would I want them. Girls do not like "nice" guys and never will

[Jannah]

Scratch That...

 

OP, why are you bitter?

[Nemicron]

Yea if Megan Fox was nice in real life. But in all honesty I think shes hot. But I would never date her if I had the chance. I find her shallow and unattractive because of her attitude.

 

OK....

 

Would you be attracted to and/or sleep with Megan Fox if she wasn't nice in real life?

[hearttobreak]

I'm (usually) logical in my thinking. I respect the girl I am seeing, but will not let her get one over on me. If I feel I am being abused, I leave. I do, however, try to work it out first. Usually, by that point it is dead. I can put up with a lot, but I will not tolerate disrespect. It drives me crazy. You have a kid, no problem. You have a medical issues, no problem. You have financial issues, no problem. You disrespect me, I'm done. Tell me this is going no where, why am I wasting my time. I'm done. I'm bitter too, cause I just got through that mess over the summer. And the bitch is still spewing lies about me.

[Woggle]

Megan Fox looks okay but I would never date her.

[hearttobreak]

Yea if Megan Fox was nice in real life. But in all honesty I think shes hot. But I would never date her if I had the chance. I find her shallow and unattractive because of her attitude.

 

Yea, she's hot, but that is about it. There's nothing else there.

[Nemicron]

Guess it doesn't really matter why I'm bitter. I've been lied to, cheated on, Screwed up, Shot, Knifed, And sent to jail. For nothing. And among other things I dont want to discuss here. But I'm not the subject Miss Jannah.

 

Scratch That...

 

OP, why are you bitter?

[Nemicron]

Well Mr Heartbreak, I totally understand where you are coming from there. But in all honesty. If I may add a point of note there. IF your allowing the girl to walk on you only slightly. Its still allows you to be controlled instead of having a equal partner ship which I'm assuming you are after. And the understanding you also looking for will also come along with that. Do you not agree?

 

 

I'm (usually) logical in my thinking. I respect the girl I am seeing, but will not let her get one over on me. If I feel I am being abused, I leave. I do, however, try to work it out first. Usually, by that point it is dead. I can put up with a lot, but I will not tolerate disrespect. It drives me crazy. You have a kid, no problem. You have a medical issues, no problem. You have financial issues, no problem. You disrespect me, I'm done. Tell me this is going no where, why am I wasting my time. I'm done. I'm bitter too, cause I just got through that mess over the summer. And the bitch is still spewing lies about me.

[skydiveaddict]

I was a nice guy until I had all this bad crap happen to me. Now I could give a flying rats butt what people think. I'm not sugar coating anything anymore.

 

 

Now you're getting it.

[that girl]

I'm tired of girls thinking its just because we aren't asserting ourselves. I was a nice guy until I had all this bad crap happen to me. Now I could give a flying rats butt what people think. I'm not sugar coating anything anymore.

 

Here's the thing you have to get: women aren't that different from men when it comes to who they want to date.

 

For me personally, I look for intelligence, a good sense of humor, openness, good manners, kindness, interest in the world. I don't mind shy, though I might overlook shy, and income/profession isn't important to me though ideally I'd like someone who is somewhat intellectual.

 

Another woman might name totally different characteristics like charm, outgoingness, athleticism, a strong religious background. Those things are fine and outside of religion (since I'm not religious), none of them are a turn off for me, but they're not what I look for.

 

And looks are really important. I'm not saying he has to be gorgeous, but he has to be someone I find attractive. I pretty much know at first glance whether or not I could be attracted to someone and there are guys that I could completely see someone else being attracted to who would never interest me.

[Anela]

Yea if Megan Fox was nice in real life. But in all honesty I think shes hot. But I would never date her if I had the chance. I find her shallow and unattractive because of her attitude.

 

And the same thing can go for women. I don't like shallow men, I'm not attracted to players, and I have no respect for men who go to places like Thailand, to sleep with the hookers. (This guy said that I should have made it clear that I would be upset about the last one, when I'd already made my feelings known. Just the fact that he made the decision to go there for two weeks, anyhow... since it wasn't just for the food and the weather, it was for the 'scenery' and the partying.)

[Nemicron]

Miss Girl, LEt me ask you a serious question, then. I see your point on only being attracted to certain things. And yes women aren't any different then men. Then will sleep with whoever if thats what they want. Just like guys. But my question to you is this. Dont you think your only looking at one side of the coin? Some of these guys aren't getting dates not totally because they aren't fitting into the circle of things that some women are looking for. But that alot of them aren't even being given a chance. In your case what if you met a guy that was nothing like any of the things you like in a guy? But somehow this guy turned out to be the perfect one for you, IF you had given him the chance?

 

 

Here's the thing you have to get: women aren't that different from men when it comes to who they want to date.

 

For me personally, I look for intelligence, a good sense of humor, openness, good manners, kindness, interest in the world. I don't mind shy, though I might overlook shy, and income/profession isn't important to me though ideally I'd like someone who is somewhat intellectual.

 

Another woman might name totally different characteristics like charm, outgoingness, athleticism, a strong religious background. Those things are fine and outside of religion (since I'm not religious), none of them are a turn off for me, but they're not what I look for.

 

And looks are really important. I'm not saying he has to be gorgeous, but he has to be someone I find attractive. I pretty much know at first glance whether or not I could be attracted to someone and there are guys that I could completely see someone else being attracted to who would never interest me.

[skydiveaddict]

That's mostly BS. Women are looking for a strong, assertive, man. Kindness and intelligence have nothing to do with it. Nothing wrong with that, it's just the way nature works.

[Nemicron]

Well see thats a great example alos. Sounds like that guy was a total Douche bag. But my question to you. If after a while of dating varies different guys. And you seem to meet more of the same like that dude. Aren't you in a way gonna label the rest of them without even thinking about it?

 

 

And the same thing can go for women. I don't like shallow men, I'm not attracted to players, and I have no respect for men who go to places like Thailand, to sleep with the hookers. (This guy said that I should have made it clear that I would be upset about the last one, when I'd already made my feelings known. Just the fact that he made the decision to go there for two weeks, anyhow... since it wasn't just for the food and the weather, it was for the 'scenery' and the partying.)

[PJKino]

 

And looks are really important. I'm not saying he has to be gorgeous, but he has to be someone I find attractive. I pretty much know at first glance whether or not I could be attracted to someone and there are guys that I could completely see someone else being attracted to who would never interest me.

 

I think too many guys believe the myth that looks arent important to women when they are

 

Theyre told a women can not be attracted to you at first glance but then become attracted to you if you show "confidence" or "personality" which 99% of the time is just not true a women has to be physically attracted to you for there to be any chance..

[Nemicron]

I think I agree with that one. Alot of the girls I've dated told me that just looking at me made your "yahoo" tingle or something. I dont think I ever really understood that.

[Woggle]

To be fair my wife thought I was a complete jerk when she first met me so attraction can grow.

[PJKino]

To be fair my wife thought I was a complete jerk when she first met me so attraction can grow.

 

Im talking physically

 

If she isnt attracted to you physically at all theres no chance

[Surrealist]

I think too many guys believe the myth that looks arent important to women when they are

 

Theyre told a women can not be attracted to you at first glance but then become attracted to you if you show "confidence" or "personality" which 99% of the time is just not true a women has to be physically attracted to you for there to be any chance..

 

Yes its a fair point I think to make that looks are important, though not everything. I had a woman who was pursuing me at work who was grossly overweight and middle aged, in addition to poor clothing and didnt make any effort with herself. She didnt have any kids and I understand she had never been married. Her friends, unfortunately, would encourage her (I actually overheard it a couple of times) yet the reality was she was not getting far with guys, and I certainly wasn't interested though she was very intelligent with a reasonably good personality, her own home / mortgage, and financially independant.

[that girl]

Miss Girl, LEt me ask you a serious question, then. I see your point on only being attracted to certain things. And yes women aren't any different then men. Then will sleep with whoever if thats what they want. Just like guys. But my question to you is this. Dont you think your only looking at one side of the coin? Some of these guys aren't getting dates not totally because they aren't fitting into the circle of things that some women are looking for. But that alot of them aren't even being given a chance. In your case what if you met a guy that was nothing like any of the things you like in a guy? But somehow this guy turned out to be the perfect one for you, IF you had given him the chance?

I really don't know what you are saying.

 

You think people should go out with people they aren't interested in just in case they change their mind? Is there a number of dates they have to go on to give someone a chance?

 

Now I could give a flying rats butt what people think. I'm not sugar coating anything anymore.

This always strikes me as unhealthy, but maybe it is a difference in perspective.

 

I naturally have a pretty low tolerance for other people's nonsense (like rudeness, not being dependable, etc). I will call people on that stuff, but I don't tend to get super worked up about it most of the time. If my basic expectations aren't met (they aren't very high) I usually end up dropping the person.

 

But I do care about how people feel. I would feel bad if I unintentionally hurt someone's feelings and would try to address it. Unless I think there behavior is out of line, I do care.

 

I don't see how requiring people respect you (which I think I do) means that you don't care how anyone else thinks or feels.

[Nemicron]

See it works on both ends and that is my point. However I do firmly believe that in most cases its way easy for a girl to get laid and trap the guy into it. As opposed to guys they still have to run through hoops and play all the games if they even want to get close to a girl.

[PJKino]

Yes its a fair point I think to make that looks are important, though not everything. I had a woman who was pursuing me at work who was grossly overweight and middle aged, in addition to poor clothing and didnt make any effort with herself. She didnt have any kids and I understand she had never been married. Her friends, unfortunately, would encourage her (I actually overheard it a couple of times) yet the reality was she was not getting far with guys, and I certainly wasn't interested though she was very intelligent with a reasonably good personality, her own home / mortgage, and financially independant.

 

Yup some of us are just unatractvie to the opposite sex and theyres not much you can do not matter how many fluff cliches people want to throw out