Women Do Not Have It Easier In Dating!

[donnamaybe]

That's not what I mean't. I know women have to keep in shape and pretty themselves up and dress well and all that. But men also have to keep in shape, look good, dress well. A man can't just look like a bum and get women you know... My point is that the only work women need to do is that, the man does everything else such as initiate dates, initiate phone calls and do all the pursuing. After you have put on all your make up and done your hair and picked out your outfit and everything else that you do, you don't have to put in any more effort because the guy has to do everything else.

Man, you guys are seriously associating with the wrong women.

 

Ever have a gal cook you a fantastic meal? Give you a full body massage? Foot soak and pumice and lotion after a long day on 'em? Buy on a date?

 

If not, you're not dating the right women.

[waynebrady]

Is that seriously the best you have? :lmao:

 

How can one know they are right about a subject they have just declared themselves ignorant of?

 

Because I have seen posts from several women which proves I'm right in my statements about how women never initiate anything.

 

Take a look at this post for example.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3077786&postcount=18

[Jannah]

Because I have seen posts from several women which proves I'm right in my statements about how women never initiate anything.

 

Take a look at this post for example.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3077786&postcount=18

 

Sure Wayne.

 

We all know that you most likely made that thread.

[donnamaybe]

Because I have seen posts from several women which proves I'm right in my statements about how women never initiate anything.

 

Take a look at this post for example.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3077786&postcount=18

Then you better search my posts, because I have initated dates, and when I've done so I have paid. I felt it only fair since I was the one who made the plans.

[theBrokenMuse]

Because I have seen posts from several women which proves I'm right in my statements about how women never initiate anything.

 

Take a look at this post for example.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3077786&postcount=18

If you consider the experiences presented by folks who frequent relationship boards as concrete evidence of typical behaviors for ether sex then you are creating a hypothesis from a faulty sample set. Using a message board for people with relationship problems and/or poor social skills is going to give one a skewed perceptive which holds little hope for accuracy when used as a basis for making declarative statements about such a broad spectrum of individuals.

[musemaj11]

Wayne Brady is a very funny guy. :laugh:

 

I really want to think that he is just a troll, but Im afraid he is actually serious.

[donnamaybe]

Wayne Brady is a very funny guy. :laugh:

 

I really want to think that he is just a troll, but Im afraid he is actually serious.

Scary, innit?

[musemaj11]

Correction: ATTRACTIVE people have it easier in dating.

And the fact is Attractive Men have it the easiest in dating.

[gypsy_nicky]

in this current climate and culture where women are achieving fairer equality with men, I think neither have an advantage or disadvantage over the other.

 

If you factor out the social factors in dating, the biological/nature component will always stand out= your attractiveness. This will determine your playing field.

[PJKino]

And the fact is Attractive Men have it the easiest in dating.

 

Of course they do but people want to act like looks arent important to women because they date fat Men on sitcoms:laugh:

 

I realize how important looks are on the dating scene which is why i stay away and cant compete

[theBrokenMuse]

I understand what you are saying but I don't have much sympathy for the priviledged who have what many people would kill to have and then go and ruin it. When people who have no clue what it is like to really struggle get all angsty it annoys me.

People often don't have much sympathy for individuals that possess the things which they covet. When someone feels a particular set of circumstances would bring them happiness it is often hard to set that aside long enough to be able to see things from a perspective outside of our idealized image of that state of affairs.

 

For example, because I am an unattractive woman it might have been easy for me to disregard the fact that being beautiful comes with it's own unique set of baggage and issues because of the perceived positives that I associate with it if not for the fact that I have seen what beautiful women I have known have had to deal with as a result. Unfortunately, there are downsides to most everything.

[musemaj11]

Of course they do but people want to act like looks arent important to women because they date fat Men on sitcoms:laugh:

 

I realize how important looks are on the dating scene which is why i stay away and cant compete

Well maybe join a gym, get ripped, dress nicer.

 

Im a really ugly guy, but I try hard to make up for it by taking a really good care of myself. As a result I have had an improved success.

[PJKino]

Well maybe join a gym, get ripped, dress nicer.

 

Im a really ugly guy, but I try hard to make up for it by taking a really good care of myself. As a result I have had an improved success.

 

I dress well and am in fairly decent shape its my face that's the problem

[musemaj11]

I dress well and am in fairly decent shape its my face that's the problem

So you dress well and have decent shape according to who?

 

Personally I only go shopping for clothes if I can bring my sister with me.

 

I thought I was a fashionista until I saw how much better I looked when my sister picked the clothes for me.

[PJKino]

So you dress well and have decent shape according to who?

 

 

Women have complimented me on how i dress

[DazednConfused]

Aw... dammit! Late to the party again!

 

I dunno, perhaps I benefit from some sort of deep dark women's fantasy of seducing a nameless bartender, lol. I personally, am not a handsome man by accepted standards. (balding, ten pounds over, etc.) But I actually get approached often. Sometimes subtlely, sometimes not at all subtle...

 

I will never pretend to have an understanding of the fairer sex, as that would be truly laughable; but I do have experience in reading body language. Learn how to do this folks; and learn what you project as well. (This goes for both men and women)

 

Once again, no generalities; I can only speak to my experience and observations (I tend bar in a mid-range very popular Vegas locals restaurant so I see alot of first dates, pick-up attempts, etc... lol, hell, I get to participate often as well)

 

Who has it harder in the dating world? From what I've seen it's truly a dead-heat. I've seen the girls decked to the nines get no play at all, while less attractive but more vivacious girls get mobbed and have their pick. I've seen "average" guys who do really well, while even the put-together bad-ass gets blanked all night.

 

Obviously, both men and women MUST put forth a reasonable effort to make the most of their natural highlights in attractiveness. After that, it's truly about attitude...

 

Men: If you are having a good time, it shows and translates that you are a good time...if getting the girl is secondary to enjoying your night out, it works, and often you get the girl w/o all the hand-wringing and teeth pulling. Desperation and frustration transmits throughout an entire room, and they will pick up on it, making it self-fulfilling. Have fun first! Then be open and unafraid to put yourself out there in a genuine fashion.

 

Ladies: Same as for men. One caveat tho: leave the bitterness at the door. In my place, there are far more men seeking relationships than players.

 

So... that was a whole lot more than I intended, lol... but it truly is observation from one who spent alot of time observing how it all works. Just my .02

 

-Dazed

[donnamaybe]

Aw... dammit! Late to the party again!

 

I dunno, perhaps I benefit from some sort of deep dark women's fantasy of seducing a nameless bartender, lol. I personally, am not a handsome man by accepted standards. (balding, ten pounds over, etc.) But I actually get approached often. Sometimes subtlely, sometimes not at all subtle...

 

I will never pretend to have an understanding of the fairer sex, as that would be truly laughable; but I do have experience in reading body language. Learn how to do this folks; and learn what you project as well. (This goes for both men and women)

 

Once again, no generalities; I can only speak to my experience and observations (I tend bar in a mid-range very popular Vegas locals restaurant so I see alot of first dates, pick-up attempts, etc... lol, hell, I get to participate often as well)

 

Who has it harder in the dating world? From what I've seen it's truly a dead-heat. I've seen the girls decked to the nines get no play at all, while less attractive but more vivacious girls get mobbed and have their pick. I've seen "average" guys who do really well, while even the put-together bad-ass gets blanked all night.

 

Obviously, both men and women MUST put forth a reasonable effort to make the most of their natural highlights in attractiveness. After that, it's truly about attitude...

 

Men: If you are having a good time, it shows and translates that you are a good time...if getting the girl is secondary to enjoying your night out, it works, and often you get the girl w/o all the hand-wringing and teeth pulling. Desperation and frustration transmits throughout an entire room, and they will pick up on it, making it self-fulfilling. Have fun first! Then be open and unafraid to put yourself out there in a genuine fashion.

 

Ladies: Same as for men. One caveat tho: leave the bitterness at the door. In my place, there are far more men seeking relationships than players.

 

So... that was a whole lot more than I intended, lol... but it truly is observation from one who spent alot of time observing how it all works. Just my .02

 

-Dazed

I REALLY enjoy your posts!!!

[Jannah]

Ladies: Same as for men. One caveat tho: leave the bitterness at the door.

 

 

Have you not read the majority of posts within this thread?

 

Great feedback otherwise DazednConfused, me like it.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I will never pretend to have an understanding of the fairer sex, as that would be truly laughable; but I do have experience in reading body language. Learn how to do this folks; and learn what you project as well. (This goes for both men and women)

Once again, no generalities; I can only speak to my experience and observations (I tend bar in a mid-range very popular Vegas locals restaurant so I see alot of first dates, pick-up attempts, etc... lol, hell, I get to participate often as well)

 

Who has it harder in the dating world? From what I've seen it's truly a dead-heat.-Dazed

 

I read your posts and think... Now that guy is smart and has a great attitude.

 

So... I went back and read through your old thread. WTF was your wife thinking? Who the crap does that?

 

Here is my question to you... and this is a selfish question. How do you completely trust the next one? I know every woman is different and you can't judge one by the actions of another... but that's all just blah, blah, blah to me.

 

It hasn't been an issue with my current GF because she is so radically different from the women I've dated before.... but I'm just nervous that I might put up a wall at some point.

[sumdude]

Aw... dammit! Late to the party again!

 

I dunno, perhaps I benefit from some sort of deep dark women's fantasy of seducing a nameless bartender, lol. I personally, am not a handsome man by accepted standards. (balding, ten pounds over, etc.) But I actually get approached often. Sometimes subtlely, sometimes not at all subtle...

 

So... that was a whole lot more than I intended, lol... but it truly is observation from one who spent alot of time observing how it all works. Just my .02

 

-Dazed

 

Hmmm, makes me want to get a part time bartending gig somewhere. All my bud's who ever tended bar did well with the girls. You're there and not threatening. Just doing your job, you don't have to approach because everyone has to approach you at some point. Also you get the benefit of watching what people are doing around you.

[donnamaybe]

Hmmm, makes me want to get a part time bartending gig somewhere. All my bud's who ever tended bar did well with the girls. You're there and not threatening. Just doing your job, you don't have to approach because everyone has to approach you at some point. Also you get the benefit of watching what people are doing around you.

You also get a lot of practice chatting with people socially.

[DazednConfused]

I read your posts and think... Now that guy is smart and has a great attitude.

 

So... I went back and read through your old thread. WTF was your wife thinking? Who the crap does that?

 

Here is my question to you... and this is a selfish question. How do you completely trust the next one? I know every woman is different and you can't judge one by the actions of another... but that's all just blah, blah, blah to me.

 

It hasn't been an issue with my current GF because she is so radically different from the women I've dated before.... but I'm just nervous that I might put up a wall at some point.

 

I don't want to jack a productive and interesting thread... but i do want to answer your question...

 

I can't say what my ex was thinking, nor is it even a consideration anymore; she's no longer my problem. (she re-married 15 days after the divorce was final, she's his problem now, lol)

 

I don't know if i completely trust anyone any more, BUT; when i enter into a relationship these days, I do put it all out there every time. Could i be hurt? Sure. But, if i hold back, am I really giving the relationship a real chance? I think not.

 

I cannot describe the emotional pain I experienced, I can only say there was a huge period of time in which i cared not whether I lived on or died. I got through it... i survived it... I've come out better than ever. Perhaps that's where the guts come from... I've been hurt before and survived; I can do it again if i must.

 

I just think if I refuse to suffer the possibility of being hurt again, I don't deserve to pursue the glory of true love again either. No guts no glory are words to live by in my world.

 

-Dazed

[Untouchable_Fire]

I don't want to jack a productive and interesting thread... but i do want to answer your question...

I can't say what my ex was thinking, nor is it even a consideration anymore; she's no longer my problem. (she re-married 15 days after the divorce was final, she's his problem now, lol)

I don't know if i completely trust anyone any more, BUT; when i enter into a relationship these days, I do put it all out there every time. Could i be hurt? Sure. But, if i hold back, am I really giving the relationship a real chance? I think not.

I cannot describe the emotional pain I experienced, I can only say there was a huge period of time in which i cared not whether I lived on or died. I got through it... i survived it... I've come out better than ever. Perhaps that's where the guts come from... I've been hurt before and survived; I can do it again if i must.

I just think if I refuse to suffer the possibility of being hurt again, I don't deserve to pursue the glory of true love again either. No guts no glory are words to live by in my world.

-Dazed

 

Ok... I get it. Thanks Dazed! That is some amazing advice!

 

I really feel that if women will cheat on you.. they will cheat on anyone.

 

However... I'm strong enough to take some more hits.

[sumdude]

I just think if I refuse to suffer the possibility of being hurt again, I don't deserve to pursue the glory of true love again either. No guts no glory are words to live by in my world.

 

-Dazed

 

Dazed, just wanna say it was good for me to read your post. I've been through something very similar to you and am finally starting to see things this way again.

 

(sorry for the T-jack folks)

[D-Jam]

Frankly, the only people who have it easier in the dating world are those who live realistically in the sense of dating.

 

Women who have it "hard" are generally the ones who think unrealistically in it all. That means they want the hot wealthy successful guy who can get any girl into bed to give all that up and be with her alone. That or the woman most guys aren't attracted to that believe they can snag an above-average man (when those men pass her up all the time).

 

Men who have it "hard" are of course the nice guys who can't figure out that there is a level of marketing involved in dating...and people won't settle for the hyundai when they have options to drive a BMW. However, they think these women only want Ferraris when they also think a Lexus might be nice. These men can transform themselves from Hyundai to Lexus, but won't. They instead complain.

 

Then you have the guys who can get women easily...but they seemingly and unrealistically wish hot women would just be happy with "sex only" and not ask for more. They think it's such a hassle and so hard...but they don't realistically understand that most women want more than just a lay.

 

And the cycle goes on and on.