northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I'm curious as I feel like I have no clue anymore. Please be honest, but don't assign me a number. Just in broad terms. I'll only keep this up for a bit, but there are some crappy webcam photos I took of myself here. Obviously poor quality and not especially flattering, but hopefully you get the idea. Thanks.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 Slightly below average. wow, really? I guess I must be pretty off base in my perceptions. What in particular makes me below average. Again, you can be honest.
Sarah1977 Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 wow, really? I guess I must be pretty off base in my perceptions. What in particular makes me below average. Again, you can be honest. Just curious....how do you typically rate yourself?
utterer of lies Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 wow, really? I guess I must be pretty off base in my perceptions. What in particular makes me below average. Again, you can be honest. I'm not going to name any details because you will just obsess about them endlessly. It was my spontaneous impression when I looked at your pics. Don't worry, other people see you differently, as you can see in the posts above. Also, you're clearly not my type so this might skew things.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 Just curious....how do you typically rate yourself? It really varies depending on the day. I guess this is the first time I've had somebody say I'm below average, but I did ask for honesty so I appreciate their honesty. I'm curious. What is it in particular about my face that you think prevents it as qualifying from attractive? Again, honesty please. I won't be offended.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 I'm not going to name any details because you will just obsess about them endlessly. It was my spontaneous impression when I looked at your pics. Don't worry, other people see you differently, as you can see in the posts above. Also, you're clearly not my type so this might skew things. No, I won't. It would really make my day if you told me the details. Please. I promise I won't obsess. I'm honestly just curious, and I swear I won't take offense!
Sarah1977 Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 It really varies depending on the day. I guess this is the first time I've had somebody say I'm below average, but I did ask for honesty so I appreciate their honesty. I'm curious. What is it in particular about my face that you think prevents it as qualifying from attractive? Again, honesty please. I won't be offended. OK, to be honest, I agreed with the guy who said you were slightly below average. With that said, I took into account that those are obviously unflattering pictures. In my head, I pictured you all glammed up and at THAT point, you'd hit average. I know you don't want numbers, but I would say if you were dressed nice, hair done, maybe a little make up to highlight your lips and eyes....you would be strictly a 5. Judging by STRICTLY physical, you're not gorgeous. But you're not ugly, either. With that said, I don't believe there is ANYTHING whatsoever wrong with average. I'm average myself and very, very pleased with the way I look. But I do believe in being honest and I try to never blow smoke up anyone's butt. Further, you have more to offer a man than a pretty face. Please never never forget that. And taking into account all your wonderful qualities, I'm sure you'll be absolutely beautiful to the guy you eventually end up with.
Tim The Enchanter Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 My understanding of "average" is that it's how most women in society look. Going by that definition, she is definitely not "below average", unless you live somewhere like Beverly Hills. I would say above average or attractive.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 OK, to be honest, I agreed with the guy who said you were slightly below average. With that said, I took into account that those are obviously unflattering pictures. In my head, I pictured you all glammed up and at THAT point, you'd hit average. I know you don't want numbers, but I would say if you were dressed nice, hair done, maybe a little make up to highlight your lips and eyes....you would be strictly a 5. Judging by STRICTLY physical, you're not gorgeous. But you're not ugly, either. With that said, I don't believe there is ANYTHING whatsoever wrong with average. I'm average myself and very, very pleased with the way I look. But I do believe in being honest and I try to never blow smoke up anyone's butt. Further, you have more to offer a man than a pretty face. Please never never forget that. And taking into account all your wonderful qualities, I'm sure you'll be absolutely beautiful to the guy you eventually end up with. I appreciate your honesty. Really. But I'd appreciate it even more if you told me what about my face makes it slightly below average? I promise I won't take offense or debate it. I'm just honestly really curious. Thanks.
Els Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 The 3rd photo from the left is really pretty. I guess makeup (or lighting, not sure what made your lips redder and skin clearer) makes a huge difference, huh? Other photos are probably average. I know that may hurt you, but I really don't get what everyone's obsession is with looking above average. If you think about it logically, probably 75% of the population, depending on how you draw your bell curve and what std dev you use, would be average. More than 75% of the population have been able to find partners, ie there are people of the opposite sex who find them attractive. I have a feeling this thread is going to be deleted though.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 The 3rd photo from the left is really pretty. I guess makeup (or lighting, not sure what made your lips redder and skin clearer) makes a huge difference, huh? Other photos are probably average. I know that may hurt you, but I really don't get what everyone's obsession is with looking above average. If you think about it logically, probably 75% of the population, depending on how you draw your bell curve and what std dev you use, would be average. More than 75% of the population have been able to find partners, ie there are people of the opposite sex who find them attractive. I have a feeling this thread is going to be deleted though. I'm not bothered by being average honestly. But I am curious to know what makes the other photos less attractive. I really want somebody to be specific! I won't get upset, promise.
utterer of lies Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 No, I won't. It would really make my day if you told me the details. Please. I promise I won't obsess. I'm honestly just curious, and I swear I won't take offense! Obviously you will still obsess, but .. ok. Physically: Nose, hair, eyebrows. Suboptimal make-up use. In online dating, I would have immediately clicked away a profile with pics #2 and #3. #1 and #4 are kind of ok and #5 is actually quite nice. Still, especially in #2 and #3 you look gaunt, and the expression on your face...I think that's the main point. You don't seem very self-confident. #3 tells me 'shocked deer in the headlights'. You don't smile and look confused. But please remember this is a very personal opinion and other men will see you differently.
Eclypse Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I think you are really really pretty. Especially the pic on the far left. I really like the way your facial features are layed out. And I like your skin, and hair is gorgeous. How old are you? I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I'd definetly date you if you lived near where I am (and I didn't have my current gf )
Sarah1977 Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I'm not bothered by being average honestly. But I am curious to know what makes the other photos less attractive. I really want somebody to be specific! I won't get upset, promise. You might not, but other people here might. We live in a society were it's considered cruel to tell a women anything other than they are utterly and completely gorgeous! And then all of the sudden, average becomes a dirty word. It's ridiculous and personally, I think it emphasizes the ideology that the only value we hold as individuals is how we look. Furthermore, but having everyone lie, we have a lot of girls with this odd combination of low self esteem/egotistical bitch goddess. I think it's because secretly they know they are strictly average chicks, but they want to play the part of the beauty they have been told they are just in case. My thoughts are, embrace being average. Ultimately, we are all going to get old and wrinkled someday, so focusing on it is a waste of time. And even ugly people have at least a couple of good physical qualities. For example, you have very pretty lips!
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 Obviously you will still obsess, but .. ok. Physically: Nose, hair, eyebrows. Suboptimal make-up use. In online dating, I would have immediately clicked away a profile with pics #2 and #3. #1 and #4 are kind of ok and #5 is actually quite nice. Still, especially in #2 and #3 you look gaunt, and the expression on your face...I think that's the main point. You don't seem very self-confident. #3 tells me 'shocked deer in the headlights'. You don't smile and look confused. But please remember this is a very personal opinion and other men will see you differently. Thanks for your honesty. Btw, I agree that my expressions suck. I wouldn't use these photos for dating.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 You might not, but other people here might. We live in a society were it's considered cruel to tell a women anything other than they are utterly and completely gorgeous! And then all of the sudden, average becomes a dirty word. It's ridiculous and personally, I think it emphasizes the ideology that the only value we hold as individuals is how we look. Furthermore, but having everyone lie, we have a lot of girls with this odd combination of low self esteem/egotistical bitch goddess. I think it's because secretly they know they are strictly average chicks, but they want to play the part of the beauty they have been told they are just in case. My thoughts are, embrace being average. Ultimately, we are all going to get old and wrinkled someday, so focusing on it is a waste of time. And even ugly people have at least a couple of good physical qualities. For example, you have very pretty lips! Would you say I'm ugly then? Just curious. OK I agree with what you said above, but could you just please be specific about what makes me below average in your opinion. I'd like to know so I can try to downplay whatever that feature is in my makeup. Thanks!
loverofloveandstuff Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I'm not bothered by being average honestly. But I am curious to know what makes the other photos less attractive. I really want somebody to be specific! I won't get upset, promise. Nothern, it's really difficult to pinpoint specific features when weighing up attractiveness if there is nothing that particularly stands out (in either a good way or a bad way). IMO, it's about the way everything comes together and an overall aura and impression. Beauty and attractiveness is something I feel and see immediately when I look at someone who I deem beautiful, it's not something I study intricately and can give logical reasons as to why I find this person more beautiful than the next person. From what I can gather from your photos, you look pleasant. Movement and facial expressions is very important and you can't depict that in a photo so that's all i can really say.
Sarah1977 Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 Would you say I'm ugly then? Just curious. OK I agree with what you said above, but could you just please be specific about what makes me below average in your opinion. I'd like to know so I can try to downplay whatever that feature is in my makeup. Thanks! OK, fine. Please NO ONE get offended. Your nose is really bad. Not sure what you can do about that make-up wise. I'd play up the lips (because those look very soft and pretty) to distract away from it. But your eyes are a little too far apart which is what gives you that shocked, deer in headlights look about you. It's almost....slight froggish. So what I would do is really glam up those eyes. Do whatever you can to make them look bigger. Because if they look bigger, they will look less far apart. I'm not sure if it's the lighting or what, but your hair color does NOTHING for your skin tone. I'd high tail it to the first gay hairdresser you can find and say, "Surprise me." Also, your face in general is very, very angular and gaunt. That's probably the worst part of you. A very flattering haircut would soften you up there a bit. Or you can consider gaining a few pounds. Depends on how attached you are to your current body shape. No, I don't think you're ugly. I would straight tell you if you were. Just average, though.
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 Nothern, it's really difficult to pinpoint specific features when weighing up attractiveness if there is nothing that particularly stands out (in either a good way or a bad way). IMO, it's about the way everything comes together and an overall aura and impression. Beauty and attractiveness is something I feel and see immediately when I look at someone who I deem beautiful, it's not something I study intricately and can give logical reasons as to why I find this person more beautiful than the next person. From what I can gather from your photos, you look pleasant. Movement and facial expressions is very important and you can't depict that in a photo so that's all i can really say. I agree that it's difficult to pinpoint, but I'd appreciate people made some small attempt. Especially because it would help me in terms of my presentation and which featurs I downplay.
melodymatters Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I think you are above average, and if fixing you up with a friend I would say "She's very pretty" ( and mean it ) !
Author northern_sky Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 OK, fine. Please NO ONE get offended. Your nose is really bad. Not sure what you can do about that make-up wise. I'd play up the lips (because those look very soft and pretty) to distract away from it. But your eyes are a little too far apart which is what gives you that shocked, deer in headlights look about you. It's almost....slight froggish. So what I would do is really glam up those eyes. Do whatever you can to make them look bigger. Because if they look bigger, they will look less far apart. I'm not sure if it's the lighting or what, but your hair color does NOTHING for your skin tone. I'd high tail it to the first gay hairdresser you can find and say, "Surprise me." Also, your face in general is very, very angular and gaunt. That's probably the worst part of you. A very flattering haircut would soften you up there a bit. Or you can consider gaining a few pounds. Depends on how attached you are to your current body shape. No, I don't think you're ugly. I would straight tell you if you were. Just average, though. Thanks, I appreciate your honesty. And I'm not offended. I agree with most of what you said. The one thing that surprises me is the thing about my nose. But I'm willing to admit I can't be objective. Like what in particular about it? Is it just too big.
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