that girl Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Because I get sick and tired of some women getting hurt over what a man says when they either excuse or outright condone hateful stuff towards my gender. Not saying you do it but men are expected to listen to us getting trashed left and right while we get torn apart if we throw some insults back in the other direction. When I see that a large number of women are serious about equality and fairness then I will be 100% behind it. Until then I will take my side in the gender wars. Again, there is at this point ONE examples of anti-male bias on LS versus at least a dozen examples of anti-woman bias. And you had to search back 6 months for that one. Men here are not getting trashed right and left, women are. You do men's rights a huge diservice because when someone goes on and on about gender wars and condones hateful comments as "throwing back [deserved] insults" no one who doesn't already hate women will take you seriously. You become like the crazy guy on a street corner screaming about Jesus and the end times. But at least now it has been proved that there isn't some huge anti-male agenda on this board. Your comments about how women are worse are clearly the result of your own personal dislike of women.
Woggle Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I would like to hear more condemnation of the behavior that made men like me and others so bitter in the first place.
callingyouuu Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 But at least now it has been proved that there isn't some huge anti-male agenda on this board. Your comments about how women are worse are clearly the result of your own personal dislike of women. I don't think anything has been proven. While I can't say I browse LS enough to make a clear judgment myself on the issue, in this entire thread I only see one misogynist/misandrist comment posted, and it suggests the opposite of what you said. Not suggesting that anyone is right or wrong, but nothing has been proven yet. I also think this thread is sort of futile. Women, if you know for yourselves that all women are not just looking for hot scumbags, what does it matter what a few people on an internet forum think?
Taramere Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 (edited) How do you think men feel when we here about how we are all cheating dogs or how we are all overgrown children I think that would depend on the man. A healthy and intelligent man with a mature outlook would probably read a post like that and assume that the woman posting it was a childish and not very bright individual - or, if she seemed generally intelligent and thoughtful, he might assume she had recently had a bad romantic experience which had soured her. Alternatively he might think she was trolling or joking. A lot depends on how the person usually posts. Similar thing with female posters reading male rants about women. I don't know where those posts about men being cheating dogs/overgrown children are. I don't see them in the dating section though it might be that I'm not drawn to the threads where they've featured. I only read a small percentage of the stuff here. Are they in the infidelity and breaking up sections? I rarely read those areas of the board - but that's where I would expect to find that kind of raw, embittered and unhappy stance. I think in the relevant sections (breaking up, infidelity) it's fairly appropriate for people to express those negative emotions. Really, most normal people would feel that way after being cheated on or treated in a very poor manner by a partner. All these negative posts in the dating section, though - that suggests that the people posting them have a negative outlook generally. Maybe the reality is that they've had a recent break-up which has soured them, and that they're not ready to date. You talk about stereotypes re men being immature buffoons. The posts Brainy Girl is complaining about seem to involve men who are determined to participate in the dating game, even though they lack the maturity to ever get along and genuinely enjoy themselves with the other players. Those posts do far more to promote negative stereotypes of men than any Millie Tant diatribe ever could. Edited October 16, 2010 by Taramere
Pyro Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I think that would depend on the man. A healthy and intelligent man with a mature outlook would probably read a post like that and assume that the woman posting it was a childish and not very bright individual - or, if she seemed generally intelligent and thoughtful, he might assume she had recently had a bad romantic experience which had soured her. Alternatively he might think she was trolling or joking. A lot depends on how the person usually posts. Similar thing with female posters reading male rants about women. I like this. An insecure and bitter guy will take comments like that seriously.
stillafool Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 One thing you have to realize is that many men on this board are bitter towards women. They've had bad experiences and are venting their frustrations. Everyone who comes to this board has been hurt in one way or the other. I can understand a person venting about the actual person(s) who hurt them, but to bash an entire gender or nationality is hateful. It's also pretty annoying to read posts where women complain that they found a hot guy and are upset that he used her for sex and then she goes out and does it again. All the while ignoring the normal/average guys that are just like the ones that post here. This is a board for people who have love problems. These women bring their love problems to LS just as men do. It is not fair for these men to try to punish them because they are having problems in their dating life. Furthermore, people are attracted to who they are attracted to. Women here could complain that men on LS don't pick the right type of woman and this is why they get hurt.
somedude81 Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Everyone who comes to this board has been hurt in one way or the other. I can understand a person venting about the actual person(s) who hurt them, but to bash an entire gender or nationality is hateful. Some people have trouble separating an individual or a small number from a large group of people. I know I do it. Furthermore, people are attracted to who they are attracted to. Women here could complain that men on LS don't pick the right type of woman and this is why they get hurt. If you take a look at the threads being made, you never see, "Hot girl hurt me" or any threads at all that mention a woman's attractiveness. But there are lots of threads like "Hot guy used me for sex," "do hot guys only want hot girls" etc. On this forum, the women appear to be shallower than the men.
Taramere Posted October 17, 2010 Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) Will you at least agree that the comment I posted is wrong and hateful? If so I will condemn the anti-woman comments. How about this situation. A woman poses a perfectly valid question with reference to a quote from Sex In The City. It's in no way a misandrist question. A man who presumably has a gripe against that particular tv programme, and responds with a kneejerk aggressive reaction to any woman who references it, posts a couple of sneering responses. The female poster responds with absolute civility. The man then posts LOL, why don't you read or enjoy something meaningful for once, cunt. I wonder what the reaction would be if a woman posted something like that to a man who mentioned something about a porn film he had seen. Would you be prepared to say that calling someone a "cunt" because they watch a tv programme that's about, and popular with, women is gratuitous and misogynistic abuse that should be condemned? That a woman doesn't deserve to be spoken to like that because she happened to reference a book/tv programme that's geared towards a female audience? Or would your disapproval of a comment like that be something that women have to negotiate with you for? Edited October 17, 2010 by Taramere
Woggle Posted October 17, 2010 Posted October 17, 2010 I need to read the entire thread in context. Regardless I don't agree with throwing out a term like that. I just posted a misandrist comment and I feel that if women expect men to condemn the woman haters then they should condemn that comment as well. Respect needs to be a 2 way street.
Taramere Posted October 17, 2010 Posted October 17, 2010 I've seen a few posts by that poster you mentioned, Woggle. She certainly does come across as the epitome of the kind of woman endlessly complained about on here. Everything she posts seems geared to project as shallow as possible an attitude. She likes to post about how she despises short men and how "us women" prefer "big, hunky men." Gracious....if it weren't for the fact that she presents on this board as being a female, and therefore must be, I could swear that she was a short, frustrated-with-women guy setting out to substantiate his claims that women are shallow short-guy-oppressors. She generally gets dismissed as a troll. Her posts, if you look, seldom garner anything but a negative response from other women - if they bother to interact with her at all.
flying Posted October 17, 2010 Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) She generally gets dismissed as a troll. Her posts, if you look, seldom garner anything but a negative response from other women - if they bother to interact with her at all. Exactly. I have yet to see ONE woman slap that poster on the back with a "you go girl." Not one. I don't see anyone agreeing with her - except you, Woggle, because you have said several times that "at least she's honest" when she says something shallow or negative about men. Even though other women roundly dismiss her, you assume they're "lying". You're the ONLY person who thinks she's got any validity. Honestly, it's like you're not allowing women to be reasonable, or something. So there you go, Woggle. Time for you to put up. If you're willing to be fair, that is. Edited October 17, 2010 by flying
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