Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Those are YOUR definitions, and they aren't the majority. In reality, they usually go something like this: -If a woman cheats, she's a whore. If a man cheats, his wife made him miserable. -If a woman is a virgin, she's a prude. If a guy is a virgin, he has standards. -If a woman sleeps around, she's a whore. If a guy sleep around, he's a pimp (in a good way). Only the last one is correct. The other two simply don't exist in this country.
that girl Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 All of these "if a woman sleeps around she's a ....."/"if a man sleeps around he's a ......" are a strawman argument. MadMax you really have no right to complain about women having double standards when you just started a post calling millions of women whores not good enough to be your girlfriend. It doesn't matter that you're using Shannon's words.
sanskrit Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Your friend Shannon sounds like a great friend to have, realistic and smart. Get her to set you up with a woman like her whom she knows and have her vet your dates.
Author Mad Max Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 All of these "if a woman sleeps around she's a ....."/"if a man sleeps around he's a ......" are a strawman argument. MadMax you really have no right to complain about women having double standards when you just started a post calling millions of women whores not good enough to be your girlfriend. It doesn't matter that you're using Shannon's words. I didn't call millions of women whores. If that were the case, my thread would have been deleted. There was nothing confrontational in my OP. In fact, I didn't even say it. I simply agreed with it. The fact that you and a few others are acting all jumpy says more about you than it does about me. I've seen threads here where the male gender is attacked and even then, the male posters don't go apesh*t and throwing hissy fits. This thread isn't one of them. If you don't like it, simply don't post. Very simple.
sanskrit Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 All of these "if a woman sleeps around she's a ....."/"if a man sleeps around he's a ......" are a strawman argument. That's actually correct, but it's a strawman because there is no double standard in the first place. Women and men are completely different in how they seek and obtain sex, apples and oranges, incapable of being compared. Women can have sex whenever they like, so are held to a higher cultural standard of behavior. Men, other than a tiny few, are not able to have sex whenever they like, and must be perpetually seeking sex to to get it sometimes. So men are allowed some leeway before being called a "man slut." Average women can go out with certainty that they can have sex within a short time if they want whenever they want, Average men can not do this. Women don't even have to leave their house to have sex, just possess phone numbers of men they are attracted to. They can even stay in bed and call men they like to come over for sex. Average men can't do this. Finally, these days, man-sluts are actually held just as accountable as female sluts are unless either gender is in the top top percentile, as in that range, all is forgiven, people can do as they want with no accountability whatsoever because of their looks or other qualities. No one judges movie stars of either gender for being promiscuous, and many would date them anyway. OTOH, average people of both genders who are flagrantly promiscuous are looked down on equally these days. Average people of both genders are allowed to have as many partners as they want without being called sluts provided they are discreet about it today. Yes, women who go on "girls gone wild" parking lot rampages still get stigma, but average men do too. The double standard never really existed, but if something like it ever did, it certainly doesn't exist any more.
callingyouuu Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Dude, there are awful chicks everywhere. I've spent decent amounts of time on both ends of the country, and really the only thing I've learned is this: You choose the people you associate with. I think you just spend too much time mulling over the bad apples of the female gender. Just get out, forget the duds, and go find someone who fits your standards. You might have to get out of NYC to find one, though. -If a woman cheats, she's a whore. If a man cheats, his wife made him miserable. -If a woman is a virgin, she's a prude. If a guy is a virgin, he has standards. -If a woman sleeps around, she's a whore. If a guy sleep around, he's a pimp (in a good way). I also agree with the above posters in saying that the first two are completely untrue and reversible by the genders. I've seen threads here where the male gender is attacked and even then,the male posters don't go apesh*t and throwing hissy fits]. This thread isn't one of them. If you don't like it, simply don't post. Very simple. Yes, we do. I actually think our hissy fits might be a little bit worse than theirs just because we don't really think our arguments through (which reflects real life as well, where we'll win about three and a half total arguments during an average 10-year marriage). Trust me, a select few of us are just as bitter as they can be.
alclarkey Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 -If a woman is a virgin, she's a prude. If a guy is a virgin, he has standards. I'd rather be considered a prude than a loser.
True Love Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Your friend definitely has a good outlook on life.
Tantrumtigeress Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 One thing I was going to say that I thought of as I was reading this is she has no room to talk really on realtionships if shes just been in one. I am glad it worked out for her but not everyones first relationships work out. You learn alot from relationships... she should be glad hers worked out and she didnt have a brokenheart etc
gypsy_nicky Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 After hearing Shannon's side, I have to say she's spot on. I have no doubt that she and her boyfriend will live a happy life together. We've been friends for 10 years and she has always been very blunt and honest. This is why our friendship has lasted for so long. tell your best friend that she's a self righteous patronizing woman. Your bestest friend is far from being blunt and honest. More like a spin doctor. I find it surprising that she chastises her own sex but holds herself up to higher moral values.
dispatch3d Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 Your friend definitely has a good outlook on life. I kinda have to agree. Man it seems like >50% of the stuff you say I find offensive, overly negative, I don't know. It's hard to even describe. Most of the time I read your post, roll my eyes, and move on. So I can't even describe what I dislike it's just that our opinions clash on things. Prehaps it's not that most guys/girls aren't datable. Just that she expects too much out of her partner. As in, if you were the 100% perfect person it wouldn't matter who you dated. You wouldn't require another 100% perfect person to be happy. You are already happy. In fact, you could be with someone who is 100% miserable and it wouldn't bother you. All you would feel is concern for them.
nycgirl6 Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 Ummm.... I just moved to nyc from another state this year. What's the issue with women in new york? Just curious as to what my new neighbors' reputations are.
BruceLeroy Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 Oh no. It's not meant to bash others at all. It's simply about how some people choose a different path and don't expect there to be any repercussions. People have different views and that's fine. But when people jeopardize their health and the health of others, as well as living immoral lifestyles, it's their choice but there are consequences. I didn't even mention it in the first place and I didn't quite understand initially. The only repercussions they face, anyone faces. Its a judgment. So what if Shannon stayed chaste? Some guys won't step to that because it isn't a priority and maybe they don't want to deal with her judgment of what they've done in the past. So what if Shirly got around, she might have to deal with a dude like you passing judgment but she doesn't have to be with you and you two are prolly wrong for each other. But it doen't mean Shirly is never going to be GF material for someone else or Shannon is the perfect GF material for everyone. It just mean a chick like Shannon is GF material TO YOU. And no dude has to be like you to be BF material to some other chick. So whats with the judgment dude? Whats it get ya? Got a GF yet? I f you do, why you worry what other chicks do?
Tim The Enchanter Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 What makes Shannon think that she knows what men want in a girlfriend?
Taramere Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 After hearing Shannon's side, I have to say she's spot on. I have no doubt that she and her boyfriend will live a happy life together. We've been friends for 10 years and she has always been very blunt and honest. This is why our friendship has lasted for so long. Hmmm. I tend to think that blunt honesty is at its most impressive when people are applying it inwards - rather than using it to put other people down while praising themselves, as your friend appears to be doing.
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