Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Well, intellectual or no, your patterns of thought towards "most american" women are reminiscent of ultra religious conservatives' propaganda or someone who's social skills are those of a higher functioning ASD sufferer. Frankly, I'm not impressed with these little "what do you thinks" you've been putting together. I love how you bash him for having stereotypes, by stereotyping him. I think his attitude reflects more on his negative experiences... than on him personally.
Author classof2014 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 I'll admit. I really want a girlfriend. But at the same time, I live in the absolute worst area for dating girls. First of all, I have a cleft lip/palate and that automatically eliminates about 98% of the women around here. Ive met some of the other 2 percent and I must admit 99% of them are either A. mentally unstable (usually depression) because people alienate them so much for being quality women that they feel isolated. B. Have an alcohol problem (usually due to stress) Heck I knew 2 AWESOME (hot, funny, brilliant, easy to talk to, etc.) girls and both of these girls were treated horribly because all the ditzy blondes and their douchebag boyfriends couldn't comprehend the fact that someone had their looks and a way better personalities.
porter218 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I love how you bash him for having stereotypes, by stereotyping him. I think his attitude reflects more on his negative experiences... than on him personally. I agree that it is probably based on some negative experiences. The scary thing is that those experiences can then create the monster he will be 10 yrs from now.
Author classof2014 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 Yes, I did have a bad experience. My mom is considered my many psychiatrists to be severely mentally ill (antisocial, possible aspergers, PTSD, etc. etc.) and a golddigger and my parents are going through what is being considered the worst divorce some have ever seen. In my opinion, my entire mom's side of the family basically leeches onto people and takes their money. For some reason, Im like the only person that can see my mom's true nature and believe me or not I actually do usually find high quality women. A girl in HS everyone that was a loser, jerk, ugly, etc. I was the only one that saw she was just different. Today, she is an honors student at an ivy league school.
Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I agree that it is probably based on some negative experiences. The scary thing is that those experiences can then create the monster he will be 10 yrs from now. Monster? I think your being too dramatic. We all get frustrated from time to time. We guys are more apt at turning that frustration outward to a degree. If this guy was going to be a monster... he would be out doing "monster" type things, not venting on an internet forum.
theBrokenMuse Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 If this guy was going to be a monster... he would be out doing "monster" type things, not venting on an internet forum. Ever hear of George Sodini?
Author classof2014 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 I don't hate women and I DEFINITELY don't want to hurt anyone. I know Im ugly and I accept the fact that I may never have sex or date a girl. Maybe that is my destiny. I don't want to post a photo but I basically look just like joaquin phoenix with a slightly worst scar and a nasally voice. Im in pretty good shape and can speak 2 languages fluently, working on Chinese as my third. Thats not good enough for most women though. Im posting these threads because Im worried about other people. I want people to wake up to the fact that selfishness is spreading rapidly across America and selfishness combined with misandry is making this place very hostile for most men and even lots of women. I just want everybody to step back and take a look around. How often do you see a girl use sex and/or crying to get what she wants? How often does a girl have her BF mindlessly buy her whatever she wants while he gawkes stupidly? A relationship for men is more than about great sex. Heck, I think men are about 80% at fault for what Im describing but I don't date them
porter218 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Monster? I think your being too dramatic. We all get frustrated from time to time. We guys are more apt at turning that frustration outward to a degree. If this guy was going to be a monster... he would be out doing "monster" type things, not venting on an internet forum. LOL!! "monster type things" Sorry, I just see it could lead to him taking his frustration out on someone who doesn't deserve it. Because of his bad experience he may eventually over time begin to hate women. I may be a it over dramatic but I see how this cold all go down hill. And classof2014, I am sorry you feel that way about your mother's family....is it possible you don't know the whole story? Maybe things adults don't and shouldn't explain to their children... Have you toyed with that possibility? As for my sister going into medicine affecting her point of view. I can't see how medicine would prove one way prove one way or the other. My whole family is in that field and the men(in medicine as well) have always happily accepted it to be a matriarchal family. A happy highly functioning low divorce rate(minus me and my grandmother) female run family.
Mad Max Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I don't hate women and I DEFINITELY don't want to hurt anyone. I know Im ugly and I accept the fact that I may never have sex or date a girl. Maybe that is my destiny. I don't want to post a photo but I basically look just like joaquin phoenix with a slightly worst scar and a nasally voice. Im in pretty good shape and can speak 2 languages fluently, working on Chinese as my third. Thats not good enough for most women though. You got a lot going for you. If you look like Joaquin Phoenix, he's a good looking guy. You're also bilingual. I wish I was bilingual and I would be if my parents didn't send me to an English speaking school. Im posting these threads because Im worried about other people. I want people to wake up to the fact that selfishness is spreading rapidly across America and selfishness combined with misandry is making this place very hostile for most men and even lots of women. I just want everybody to step back and take a look around. How often do you see a girl use sex and/or crying to get what she wants? How often does a girl have her BF mindlessly buy her whatever she wants while he gawkes stupidly? A relationship for men is more than about great sex. Heck, I think men are about 80% at fault for what Im describing but I don't date them I do agree that people are more selfish than ever. But I don't think one gender is more at fault than the other.
Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Ever hear of George Sodini? Not until you posted this. I just looked him up. Sorry, but at this point I don't see a similarity. OP does not seem to have lost touch with reality at this point... nor do I see any signs of rage. Although having a crazy as hell mom is a negative. LOL!! "monster type things" Sorry, I just see it could lead to him taking his frustration out on someone who doesn't deserve it. Because of his bad experience he may eventually over time begin to hate women. I may be a it over dramatic but I see how this cold all go down hill. And classof2014, I am sorry you feel that way about your mother's family....is it possible you don't know the whole story? Maybe things adults don't and shouldn't explain to their children... Have you toyed with that possibility? I think you can safely put your crystal ball away for the time being. He is old enough to have a firm grasp on his relationship with his mother.
porter218 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Not until you posted this. I just looked him up. Sorry, but at this point I don't see a similarity. OP does not seem to have lost touch with reality at this point... nor do I see any signs of rage. Although having a crazy as hell mom is a negative. I think you can safely put your crystal ball away for the time being. He is old enough to have a firm grasp on his relationship with his mother. I wasn't talking about his own relationship with his mother. I was talking about his mothers relationship with his father. Having gone through a divorce myself I know I would never tell my son the "why's" unless I absolutely had to because I don't want to hurt his high opinion of his father.....as well as for my daughter.
theBrokenMuse Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) Not until you posted this. I just looked him up. Sorry, but at this point I don't see a similarity. OP does not seem to have lost touch with reality at this point... nor do I see any signs of rage. Although having a crazy as hell mom is a negative. I didn't intend to infer that the OP was ANYTHING like that guy and I apologize if what I wrote came off as such. I was just trying to chime in that people that aren't emotionally healthy do hang out online to vent the way an average Joe or Jane does. The reasons that real monsters, like spree killers are so scary is that we can't see what they have become, quite often, until they are actively doing 'monster things' and by then it's too late. Edited October 11, 2010 by theBrokenMuse
Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I wasn't talking about his own relationship with his mother. I was talking about his mothers relationship with his father. Having gone through a divorce myself I know I would never tell my son the "why's" unless I absolutely had to because I don't want to hurt his high opinion of his father.....as well as for my daughter. His feelings towards his mother and her family is indicative of their relationship with him... it has little bearing on the divorce. If he and they had a good relationship before the divorce I'm certain his feelings would be different. The idea is that calling him a monster doesn't invalidate the fact that he has a point.
Knittress Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Dude! Where ARE these guys that will mindlessly buy me things? I once had this guy in a coffeeshop approach me with a pair of ugly handmade beaded earrings and then awkwardly unload all his emotional problems. That's it?! I have been cheated by life!
porter218 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 His feelings towards his mother and her family is indicative of their relationship with him... it has little bearing on the divorce. If he and they had a good relationship before the divorce I'm certain his feelings would be different. The idea is that calling him a monster doesn't invalidate the fact that he has a point. I didn't say he was a monster..said he could turn out to be one yrs down the road if he continues his line of thinking into a relationship. He stated that a H should be able to have sex with his W even if she doesn't want it...even if it is rape. As a woman who has been raped by her xH(while we were married) I can say that is pretty monstrous of him to say. His opinions are admittedly based on his mother and a few ditzy golddiggers from his neck of the woods. His point is that women feel superior in America but are actually ditzy golddiggers. Thats not really the truth about all women in America or even majority(that I know of). I do feel very bad that his mother didn't shield him from feeling this way..that the demise of her M affected him. I hope he understands that the educational path he has chosen may lead to a little loneliness at first because you don't have the freedom and time to date that others have. I hope he chooses to lighten up a bit. The world isn't all that bad.
Woggle Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 It shows that much of modern feminism has little if anything to do with equality.
Author classof2014 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 Ok, let me clarify a few things here and I really want to get this thread back on topic. But here goes: 1. I DO NOT believe a man (or woman) has the right to rape their spouse, but I do believe that if a spouse consistently refuses sex, the spouse that refuses sex should suffer some consequences in a divorce. Most of the times if the woman refuses sex and gets divorced, the judge sides with her, even though part of the vows (by law) say you must be willing to have sex with your husband/wife. A spouse that refuses to have sex with their SO without a good reason is a sign of a bad marriage. 2. My anger isn't directed towards women (or american/white women). Its directed to the system we have in place in this country. Our country is completely against men to the point of being oppressive and totalitarian. Men can't do anything without constant fear of some type of sex charges, being thrown in jail, having their life savings taken away in a divorce, or even being attacked by other guys. Most guys nowadays will do anything for sex. Ive heard of guys beating up each other for girls, stealing things, even getting in shootouts. These guys think they're being manly but they are really just cowards. And guess what, they all go to jail, while the girls that help them out don't and find other men to do their dirty deeds. Its sad because lots of smart women I talk to say they don't like it either because it rewards girls for bad behavior and hurts girls that try to be legitemiately succesful. I knew a girl that looked like Miranda Kerr with blonde hair and guess what lots of guys didn't date her, WHy? because she was smart and wanted to be more than someone that got what she wanted through looks. She wasn't a nerd or anything. She wear miniskirts, went to parties, etc, but she had a head on her shoulders. My anger is directed towards people (both men and women) that have turned our society into a society that has become freedom for the white female and discrimination for everyone else.
Untouchable_Fire Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 He stated that a H should be able to have sex with his W even if she doesn't want it...even if it is rape. As a woman who has been raped by her xH(while we were married) I can say that is pretty monstrous of him to say. I didn't see that statement. I'm sorry you had that happen. It's never Ok to force yourself on a woman, even if your married. As a guy who lived through a sexless marriage for 2 years. I never forced my affections on her... and was never even tempted to do that. There should be some kind of legal mechanism to quickly get out of a sexless marriage without paying alimony or losing all of your material possessions. I actually was not even able to retain all of my clothes.
gypsy_nicky Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I didn't intend to infer that the OP was ANYTHING like that guy and I apologize if what I wrote came off as such. I was just trying to chime in that people that aren't emotionally healthy do hang out online to vent the way an average Joe or Jane does. ??? sooooo. a lot of the forum members who post by the thousands are nut jobs. Could be true. Just read up on SACWA and Shadowplay threads
theBrokenMuse Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 ??? sooooo. a lot of the forum members who post by the thousands are nut jobs. Could be true. Just read up on SACWA and Shadowplay threads I was directly replying to a statement made that if someone was a monster they would not be venting on a forum they would be out doing bad things. I was just trying to explain that was hogwash.
tincanman99 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 @TheBrokenMuse: I deleted that because of the exact reason you stated. No need to contact the mods. I just believe that in a marriage each partner needs to understand that one part of marital love is the desire to share each others bodies unconditionally. But lets not get off topic. @Brainygirl: If you lived in SoCal, (especially upper class areas) you would understand my reasoning. What region do you live in? I know this because I visit Washington, Oregon, and NY quite a bit and all of these places have better quality women IMO EDIT: I see you live in Kansas. Its completely different there. SoCal is known as the materialistic center of the US and middle America is known as basically the polar opposite. You are wrong on so many levels. You generalizations about women are offensive ie. the gold digging, vapid stuff, blah, blah. You sound like a misogynist to me. I used to go California regularly for work. There are a ton of great looking women of all races. Whatever you are into is there. If you think otherwise you are fool. As for your generalizations about other areas of the country. I just have to ask you one thing - are you smoking crack . NYC is the financial capital of this country. I live here, are you kidding me about the people here? Money, greed and selfishness go together here like white on rice. Get a grip. Its no better than CA. As for the center of the country. Used to go there too. Yeah life is slower than on the coasts but the same stuff is everywhere.
Author classof2014 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 NYC is superficial. I was talking about NY state/New England area. Especially the suburban/rural areas.
flying Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 1. No, I don't know people who think that one gender is superior to the other. 2. Heh, FYI, NY state /= New England, not by a long shot. Now that is a a very SoCal-centric viewpoint, trust.
tincanman99 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 1. No, I don't know people who think that one gender is superior to the other. 2. Heh, FYI, NY state /= New England, not by a long shot. Now that is a a very SoCal-centric viewpoint, trust. New England and upper New York state have nothing in common.
Feelin Frisky Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I think we're all created equal... Not to fault Jane Doe or anything but the fact is we're not "created" at all. We come into the world as unique individuals guaranteed by nature NOT to be the same as anyone else. All these gross generalizations about men versus women, races versus races, young minds versus old minds etc etc etc are grounds for popular contention but they have no merit as absolutes. One woman may be "stronger" than ten million men. But there may be ten million or more men stronger than her. What's the point? There is none in making the contention--she's stronger than Moe, Larry and Curly but weak to Tom, Dick and Harry. That and $2.50 will get you on the subway.
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