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elaina Established Member

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Hello, I've been getting very riled at a discussion which involves rape. Date rape sadly is a very real thing, and is very horrible.

 

I found the following article about date rape, which is good for women to read and consider the advice, as well as any testimonies women have who have experienced such a thing. I know most women would not want to share anything like that on a forum, and that's ok.

 

If however, any guys or girls want to share how to prevent or protect oneself from date rape, that could maybe help others.

 

If there's any other articles about how women can protect themselves from this, it would be nice to see those too if anyone wants to post others...

 

http://www.mamashealth.com/sexualhealth/daterape.asp

 

"Date Rape

 

When most people think of rape, they might think of a stranger jumping out of a shadowy place and sexually attacking someone. Rape by a stranger is not the only type of rape. Unfortunately, about half of all people who are raped know the person who raped them.

 

What is rape?

Rape is a form of assault involving the non-consensual use of the sexual organs of another person's body. Even though rape involves forced sex, rape is not about sex or passion. Rape is an act of aggression and violence.

 

Men and women

Girls and women are most often raped, but guys can also be raped. An estimated 7% to 10% of rape victims are male.

 

Who's fault is rape?

You may hear some people say that I person who was raped "asked for it" because of the clothes they wore or the way they acted. The person who is raped is not to blame. Rape is always the fault of the rapist. This is also the case when two people are dating, friends with benefits, or in an intimate relationship. One person never owes the other person sex.

 

Alcohol, drugs and rape

Alcohol is often involved in date rapes. Alcohol affects men and women differently. Drinking can loosen inhibitions, dull common sense, and - for some people - allow aggressive tendencies to surface.

Drugs may also play a role in rape. Certain types of drugs like rohypnol ("roofies"), gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), and ketamine have been called "date rape" drugs. Drugs like these can easily be mixed in drinks to make a person black out and forget things that happen. Both girls and guys who have been given or taken these drugs report feeling paralyzed, having blurred vision, and lack of memory.

 

Protect yourself against rape

Tips to protect yourself against rape:

 

  • Avoid secluded places until you trust your partner.
  • Don't spend time alone with someone who makes you feel uneasy or uncomfortable.
  • Stay sober and aware.
  • Know what you want.
  • Go out with a group of friends and watch out for each other.
  • Don't be afraid to ask for help if you feel threatened.
  • Take self-defense courses.

What to do if you are raped

If you're raped, here are some things that you can do:

 

  • If you're injured, go straight to the emergency room - most medical centers and hospital emergency departments have doctors and counselors who have been trained to take care of someone who has been raped.
  • Call or find a friend, family member, or someone you feel safe with and tell them what happened.
  • If you want to report the rape, call the police right away. Preserve all the physical evidence. Don't change clothes or wash.
  • Write down as much as you can remember about the event.
  • If you aren't sure what to do, call a rape crisis center. Your local phone book will have hotline numbers."

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brainygirl Established Member

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I think that the common sense things they tell you in health class and freshmen orientations in college still apply.

 

don't get intoxicated in a public place, go out with a friend, don't take drinks you haven't seen made and transported, stay in populated, public places on dates until you feel you can really trust the guy, don't sleep or pass out in public places like parties or crash houses.

 

It sounds like common sense and paranoia at the same time.

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One of my ex girlfriends got raped by a guy at a college party she went to when we were taking a break from our relationship. She never did anything about it, and her best female friend at the time just watched and let it happen. The "friend" even laughed about it when my ex realized what happened the next morning.

 

She would never tell me his name or what he looked like, and we all went to the same college. It's probably a good thing she didn't, because I don't know what I would've done if I saw him walking on campus.

Floridaman Established Member

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Good advice, Elaina.

sanskrit Established Member

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Date rape is the subject of some of the most doctored "research" in misandrist circles.

 

20-50% of all rape claims are false. The saddest thing about this doctored research and the high percentage of false claims is that it detracts from real victims of real rape.

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I think that the common sense things they tell you in health class and freshmen orientations in college still apply.

don't get intoxicated in a public place, go out with a friend, don't take drinks you haven't seen made and transported, stay in populated, public places on dates until you feel you can really trust the guy, don't sleep or pass out in public places like parties or crash houses.

It sounds like common sense and paranoia at the same time.

 

Pretty much nobody follows that advice.

 

Would it be wise to teach girls from a young age to view men in the same way they might view wild animals? Always somewhat dangerous?

somedude81 Established Member

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Uh, correct me if I'm wrong but almost nothing about this thread is related to date rape.

 

When I took a human sexuality course, the professor who was a woman, told the class what she thought the best way to prevent having sex with somebody you're on a date, met at a party etc, when you don't want to.

 

Loudly say, "NO!"

 

That's it.

 

The vast majority of decent guys will stop and will not try to hurt the girl in retaliation.

 

If the girl fears for her safety and thinks that the guy will hurt her if she tells him no, then she's a pretty poor judge of character for even being alone with a guy in that situation.

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D-Lish Established Member

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Date rape is the subject of some of the most doctored "research" in misandrist circles.

 

20-50% of all rape claims are false. The saddest thing about this doctored research and the high percentage of false claims is that it detracts from real victims of real rape.

 

Where the F*%# are you getting such ridiculous information??? In all my years on LS, I've never been more pissed off by a post.

 

It's much more accurate that 20-50% of rapes aren't reported in the first place!!!

aerogurl87 Established Member

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I really did not want to comment on this thread but I will just once, then I'm out. A year ago I was date raped according to some, although technically it would not count as rape. Why? Because I did not say no although I was freaking out and did not want to do what I did. I still did it out of fear and so not to seem like a "tease" because I felt I owed it to the guy I was with. Technically the guy it happened with is not a rapist by definition, but I still felt that I was violated.

 

Date rape happens more than most people think. And no I don't think I'm a victim because I didn't say no to him, although I gave him no real cues to go for it other than being out late with him after a night of clubbing. But I think some people on here should be more aware of their comments since I'm sure this is a very sensitive subject for many.

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Thank you for speaking up aerogurl87.

 

Because I did not say no although I was freaking out and did not want to do what I did.

That's a real judgment call. By not resisting or trying to stop it in any way, some guys will see that as a sign of consent. Men think logically, "if she's not stopping me, she wants it." Though if the girl is passed out or obviously very scared, a decent guy will know that something is wrong.

I still did it out of fear and so not to seem like a "tease" because I felt I owed it to the guy I was with.

Fear of what?

 

Also why would you feel that you owed him? Also, when you have the conscious though of having sex, so you don't seem to be a tease, that's not rape. I'm sorry, but it seems like you willingly had sex with him.

although I gave him no real cues to go for it other than being out late with him after a night of clubbing. But I think some people on here should be more aware of their comments since I'm sure this is a very sensitive subject for many.

Late night of clubbing and being alone with a man afterwords, is a huge cue that a woman is considering having sex. Added to the fact that you didn't say no or resist, how was the guy supposed to know that you didn't want sex?

 

It's in a man's nature to push for sex, it's the woman's job to try and stop it if she doesn't want to do it.

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This is a bull**** link.

 

1- The Air Force has a very shady history with sexual assault. Often cases are dropped because the victim fears for her career prospects. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/national/main543490.shtml

 

2- The Purdue study is insane. First, it is very old (1978-1987) and it is very hard to generalize from research that old on anything relating to gender. Basically what the police in Purdue did is that whenever a woman filed a rape complaint, they threatened to give a polygraph to her and the man she accused. The FBI strongly disagrees with this practice (and Purdue has long since done away with it) because it treats the victim like a criminal who has to prove her case. No one asks a person whose car is stolen to take a lie detector test, but the Purdue police routinely asked rape victims to take one, regardless of the physical injuries they suffered. It really isn't surprising that women who had just been victimized decided to withdraw their complain in the face of police officers demanding they take a lie detector test. Dr. David Lisak, head of UMass's Men's Sexual Trauma Research Institute called the Purdue paper totally unscientific.

 

3- The FBI research seems to be completely made up. If you follow the link, the quoted passage never even appears. Meanwhile, the FBI's Uniform Crime Report estimates false rape allegations at 8%, about the same as false reports of other crimes.

skydiveaddict Established Member

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From the link you provided:

 

"in the last 10 years, there have been two cadets charged with rape. One was acquitted, the other pleaded guilty at a court martial and was sentenced to seven months in jail. In other cases, administrative action was taken because there was not enough evidence to prosecute," Roche said.

 

Doesn't sound like "shady history" to me

Floridaman Established Member

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to be restated and rephrased

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somedude81 Established Member

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Being out with a person after clubbing, I don't necessarly think that puts her in a dangerous situation where she was "teasing" him.
I really don't understand the teasing aspect and why she felt she owed the guy sex. We also don't know the circumstances of how it happened. Did she go to the club with the guy, we're they dating/friends? Did she meet the guy at the club?

 

After a night of dancing and drinking and then being alone at his place or hers, most men will try to go for sex.

 

If she didn't consent to intercouse, her man shouldn't have forced himself into her. If she says no, she means no.
The problem is not that she didn't consent, it's that she didn't say no or try to resist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most girls aren't going to say, "Please f-me" the first time they have sex with a guy. The guy will try and it's her job to stop it if she's not feeling comfortable.

 

I imagine many women lost their virginity this way.
That's what I think too. They just let it happen.

 

However, while most wouldn't agree with her partner's physical force
What force?

 

From what I read, she willing had sex. Then regretted it later. And now she's thinking she was raped.

Floridaman Established Member

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Okay, I'll repost. I edited it out bec. I thought some would think I was condoning forceful sex (which I never would condone).

 

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I agree with some but not all of this.

Being out with a person after clubbing, I don't necessarly think that puts her in a dangerous situation where she was "teasing" him.

 

Now if this were someone she knew well and was lying next to him without any clothes on and doing and receiving oral, caressing, etc., - but didn't want to let him go all the way - some might say that was teasing and that she willingly put herself in a much more risky - and foolish - situation.

Alcohol may have been involved.

 

If she didn't consent to intercouse, her man shouldn't have forced himself into her. If she says no, she means no.

 

In this heavy petting that led to non-consensual sexual assault, I couldn't see her accusing him of rape bec. she admits she put herself in a bad situation by willingly doing those things.

 

Could you see a defense attorney ask her on the stand if she asked him to put his p***s in his mouth? Did she help him climax all over her or invite him into her rear?

 

She wasn't forced to do sex play. Could she have gotten up and left?

This doesn't mean she deserves it, though. I imagine many women lost their virginity this way.

 

I certainly wouldn't want to be in the woman's role.

 

However, while most wouldn't agree with her partner's physical force, I can see how some would have less sympathy for her where she did everything that would be counter to someone saying they didn't want sex.

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From the link you provided:

 

"in the last 10 years, there have been two cadets charged with rape. One was acquitted, the other pleaded guilty at a court martial and was sentenced to seven months in jail. In other cases, administrative action was taken because there was not enough evidence to prosecute," Roche said.

 

Doesn't sound like "shady history" to me

 

Way too selectively read an article which was actually entitled "Air Force Rape Scandal Grows." Two men being charged sounds good only if you skip over the part where the Air Force Academy identified 54 rapes and expected there were even more that had gone unreported.

 

There was a pretty big scandal at the Air Force Academy a few years ago.

 

In 2003, 12% of female cadets reported being raped while at the Academy. Most did not report their rapes because (according to students who spoke out), victims of rape who came forward were routinely punished for minor infractions while their attackers escaped judgment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/national/29ACAD.html?th

 

The Air Force's top general, John Jumper, said that the process for reporting abuse was not working and that "intimidation in the chain of command" may have kept women silent.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,428045,00.html#ixzz11pwFTC9q

Floridaman Established Member

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Way too selectively read an article which was actually entitled "Air Force Rape Scandal Grows." Two men being charged sounds good only if you skip over the part where the Air Force Academy identified 54 rapes and expected there were even more that had gone unreported.

 

There was a pretty big scandal at the Air Force Academy a few years ago.

 

In 2003, 12% of female cadets reported being raped while at the Academy. Most did not report their rapes because (according to students who spoke out), victims of rape who came forward were routinely punished for minor infractions while their attackers escaped judgment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/national/29ACAD.html?th

 

The Air Force's top general, John Jumper, said that the process for reporting abuse was not working and that "intimidation in the chain of command" may have kept women silent.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,428045,00.html#ixzz11pwFTC9q

The Tailhook scandal, and any time some of our military men are caught up in actions like this, sure doesn't look good for them.

I'd like to believe those that do these kind of things- like rapists in general - are a tiny slice of society.

that girl Established Member

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Floridaman and SomeDude81, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but what you're doing to Aerogurl87 is pretty horrible.

 

She was afraid so she let someone have sex with her. To her it felt like rape. You're not on a jury here, you're reading about someone's very personal trauma. Try to be sensitive.

 

By not resisting or trying to stop it in any way, some guys will see that as a sign of consent. Men think logically, "if she's not stopping me, she wants it."

A woman's default setting is not "Yes, you can have sex with me." A man should be looking for enthusiastic consent, not just a lack of resistance.

 

I understand why you think Aerogurl should have resisted, but I doubt she needs to hear how the guy might not have meant to rape her. She was afraid to resist.

 

From what I read, she willing had sex. Then regretted it later. And now she's thinking she was raped.

This is just a cruel thing to post, but what she actually said she did it out of fear and because she was worried about being a tease. That isn't regretting it later, that is not wanting it to happen but not knowing how to stop it.

 

In this heavy petting that led to non-consensual sexual assault, I couldn't see her accusing him of rape bec. she admits she put herself in a bad situation by willingly doing those things.

 

Could you see a defense attorney ask her on the stand if she asked him to put his p***s in his mouth? Did she help him climax all over her or invite him into her rear?

What alternative reality do you live in Floridaman that you somehow think Aerogurl was having oral and anal sex and then freaked out about vaginal sex. She didn't mention heavy petting, but normally that means touching boobs and some genital touching, not anal sex.

 

I can see how some would have less sympathy for her where she did everything that would be counter to someone saying they didn't want sex.

It sounds like you have a very active imagination when it comes to blaming women for rape.

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Floridaman and SomeDude81, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but what you're doing to Aerogurl87 is pretty horrible.

 

She was afraid so she let someone have sex with her. To her it felt like rape. You're not on a jury here, you're reading about someone's very personal trauma. Try to be sensitive.

Sorry, my first thought was jury mode. At this time, I just can't empathize or relate to her experience. It didn't occur to me at all that I was rude. That was not my intention at all.

 

A woman's default setting is not "Yes, you can have sex with me." A man should be looking for enthusiastic consent, not just a lack of resistance.

 

I understand why you think Aerogurl should have resisted, but I doubt she needs to hear how the guy might not have meant to rape her. She was afraid to resist.

I know that a womans default setting isn't yes. That's why men expect resistance. In other words, men think a womans default setting is actually "no." If there is no, "no" then there is only one other alternative.

This is just a cruel thing to post, but what she actually said she did it out of fear and because she was worried about being a tease.
I have no idea what you mean. Worried about being a tease? As for the fear, being afraid of what? When a girl is in an intimate situation with a man, she should have a good idea of what kind of person he is.

 

As a man, I can't see her story the same way a woman would.

 

Honestly, if I slept with a girl and she later told me that she thinks I raped her, I would be upset, for two reasons.

 

1. That she went along with having sex when she really didn't want to. If a girl doesn't give me any clue at all that she doesn't want to have sex, how am I supposed to know?

 

2. If she did it out of fear, I would be extremely offended for a girl to even get the slight idea that I would hurt her.

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Two Air force Cadets charged with rape in the last ten years. One was found innocent. Those are the facts. But you make many good points and backed them all up with good references, so I won't argue anymore.

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Floridaman and SomeDude81, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but what you're doing to Aerogurl87 is pretty horrible.

 

She was afraid so she let someone have sex with her. To her it felt like rape. You're not on a jury here, you're reading about someone's very personal trauma. Try to be sensitive.

 

 

A woman's default setting is not "Yes, you can have sex with me." A man should be looking for enthusiastic consent, not just a lack of resistance.

 

I understand why you think Aerogurl should have resisted, but I doubt she needs to hear how the guy might not have meant to rape her. She was afraid to resist.

 

 

This is just a cruel thing to post, but what she actually said she did it out of fear and because she was worried about being a tease. That isn't regretting it later, that is not wanting it to happen but not knowing how to stop it.

 

 

What alternative reality do you live in Floridaman that you somehow think Aerogurl was having oral and anal sex and then freaked out about vaginal sex. She didn't mention heavy petting, but normally that means touching boobs and some genital touching, not anal sex.

 

 

It sounds like you have a very active imagination when it comes to blaming women for rape.

 

 

TG, Thank you for your post.

 

As a former counsellor, I can't tell you how many women I dealt with that simply chose not to report being raped. They often felt either ashamed, or thought that because they made the choice to get hammered that they somehow invited it... On top of that, the notion of a trial or questioning by the police scared them to the point of walking away.

 

I can tell you from the vantage point of counselling women that far too many don't report out of fear or shame. I can tell you as a woman with an abundance of female friends that the majority of my gf's have had some sort of brush or experience with sexual assault.

 

I can tell you that I myself have woken up at a university party after a night of intense drinking with a guy trying to penetrate me whilst I slept. Many of my gf's have similar experiences and stories that we talk about amongst ourselves but have never reported.

 

Most rapes aren't reported- most women don't address it because we feel somehow responsible because we might have addressed it by getting loaded or inviting them over for a movie.

 

The majority of rapes don't occur randomly in some alley by a creepy perp stalking a stranger.

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This is a bull**** link.

1- The Air Force has a very shady history with sexual assault. Often cases are dropped because the victim fears for her career prospects. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/national/main543490.shtml

3- The FBI research seems to be completely made up. If you follow the link, the quoted passage never even appears. Meanwhile, the FBI's Uniform Crime Report estimates false rape allegations at 8%, about the same as false reports of other crimes.

 

That was my conclusion when that weblink was posted in the other thread.

 

Thanks for tearing it apart in detail. If you had not done such a great job I would have had to do it myself. Kudos!

 

Way too selectively read an article which was actually entitled "Air Force Rape Scandal Grows." Two men being charged sounds good only if you skip over the part where the Air Force Academy identified 54 rapes and expected there were even more that had gone unreported.

There was a pretty big scandal at the Air Force Academy a few years ago.

In 2003, 12% of female cadets reported being raped while at the Academy. Most did not report their rapes because (according to students who spoke out), victims of rape who came forward were routinely punished for minor infractions while their attackers escaped judgment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/national/29ACAD.html?th

The Air Force's top general, John Jumper, said that the process for reporting abuse was not working and that "intimidation in the chain of command" may have kept women silent.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,428045,00.html#ixzz11pwFTC9q

 

This is not just an issue for the Air Force Academy... our entire armed services have an issue with sexual assault. All these places are so afraid of their reputation they actively try to keep women from reporting. It's a huge issue and someone needs to step up and do something.

 

I've personally seen even the Peace Corp try to bully sexual assault victims into keeping quiet. The amount of women attacked or raped there is crazy high (estimates at over 20%) for an organization that is supposed to be safe.

 

TG, Thank you for your post.

As a former counsellor, I can't tell you how many women I dealt with that simply chose not to report being raped. They often felt either ashamed, or thought that because they made the choice to get hammered that they somehow invited it... On top of that, the notion of a trial or questioning by the police scared them to the point of walking away.

I can tell you from the vantage point of counselling women that far too many don't report out of fear or shame. I can tell you as a woman with an abundance of female friends that the majority of my gf's have had some sort of brush or experience with sexual assault.

I can tell you that I myself have woken up at a university party after a night of intense drinking with a guy trying to penetrate me whilst I slept. Many of my gf's have similar experiences and stories that we talk about amongst ourselves but have never reported.

Most rapes aren't reported- most women don't address it because we feel somehow responsible because we might have addressed it by getting loaded or inviting them over for a movie.

The majority of rapes don't occur randomly in some alley by a creepy perp stalking a stranger.

 

Here is my question. From a male perspective... very few of these guys would actually consider themselves rapists. Why? I don't get it.

 

I say this because to drastically reduce the occurrence of this type of rapew there has to be some modification of behavior by about 1/4 of the male population. How and what I don't know.

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At this time, I just can't empathize or relate to her experience. It didn't occur to me at all that I was rude. That was not my intention at all.

You're still placing a lot of doubt on Aerogurl's account which I can't imagine you doing if she said she was hit by a car.

 

I know that a womans default setting isn't yes. That's why men expect resistance. In other words, men think a womans default setting is actually "no." If there is no, "no" then there is only one other alternative.

This is actually assuming the default setting is yes. If the default setting was no, a woman would have to say yes in order to have sex rather than say no to stop sex.

 

The bottom line for me is I think every man should be looking for enthusiastic consent- a woman who pulls him closer, kisses him, undresses him, etc. I'm not expecting anyone to ask "Is this okay?" before every escalation, but "I'm going to keep going until you tell me to stop" is sad, if not abusive. Sex is supposed to be mutual. I think if a guy is ever in doubt of whether the girl is enjoying herself (or is too scared, drunk, whatever), he should simply pull back. A woman who is enjoying herself will reach out for you.

 

I have no idea what you mean. Worried about being a tease? As for the fear, being afraid of what?

Aerogurl actually said she was afraid AND she didn't want to be seen as a tease, not she was afraid of being seen as a tease. To me that says she was worried he would hurt her in some way AND she was worried about being called a tease. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I read it.

 

When a girl is in an intimate situation with a man, she should have a good idea of what kind of person he is.

This is so optimistic, but it is hard to know who someone is.

 

If a girl doesn't give me any clue at all that she doesn't want to have sex, how am I supposed to know?

Ask. Pull back and see if she reaches for you. Sex is supposed to be something two people do together, not something one person does to another.

 

I would be extremely offended for a girl to even get the slight idea that I would hurt her.

Odds are, there is a woman out there who has been a little afraid of you at one point or another. Not necessarily you're fault, but many (most?) women who see a guy walking behind them on an empty street or parking lot will at least wonder for a second if he might hurt her. It isn't something to be offended about, but it is something to be aware of. Women worry about things you don't even have to think about.

 

Here is my question. From a male perspective... very few of these guys would actually consider themselves rapists. Why? I don't get it.

 

Actually, a few studies studies have found that a small percentage of men (5-15%) will admit to raping someone if you don't use the word rape and just describe rape. The studies aren't perfect, but that makes sense to me. Most guys aren't rapists, but the small percentage who are do it over and over again.

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/

 

To give an example, a couple of years ago (when I had just finished college) I was at a New Year's Eve party at a club. At the end of the night, I got off the dance floor and realized I was a little far gone. So rather than wait in the 15 min line for coat check, I gave my ticket to my friends and sat on a bench by the bar. Within a few minutes, a guy came up and started talking to me. I was leaning against the wall with my eyes closed, so I opened them and explained that I was too drunk to talk to anyone. I was genuinely trying to explain that was too messed up to hold up a conversation, but I wasn't so far gone that I was slurring my words or falling over. I definitely didn't know the guy.

 

He then tried to kiss me. I moved my head so he missed, pushed him away and took a seat at the bar. The bartender promptly told me he would not serve me and suggested I go home. I explained I was just waiting for my friends and a guy had been bothering me so could he keep an eye on me, which he did.

 

Now nothing really happened and maybe the guy was totally harmless, but having been there, I think he was looking for someone to take advantage of.

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Where the F*%# are you getting such ridiculous information??? In all my years on LS, I've never been more pissed off by a post.

 

It's much more accurate that 20-50% of rapes aren't reported in the first place!!!

 

Since you ask, those interested in a balanced view of the subject should do some reading here http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html and draw their own conclusions as opposed to getting "pissed off" merely at the prospect that there is another POV.

 

Rumney's encyclopedic 2006 Cambridge Law study, which you can find grossly summarized here, is something I scanned a couple years back, but can't find my copy to cite properly, so the wiki summary will have to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

 

The entire repressed memory and satanic abuse scams of the late 80s and early 90s were massive cultural phenomena in the U.S. perpetuated by the "sexual abuse/social counseling industry" in which false rape and sexual abuse claims were made on a truly epic, nationwide scale, destroying hundreds of thousands of lives and reputations of innocent people. This social phenomenon was so egregious that even liberal Hollywood has dealt with it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113421/ I highly recommend this movie for anyone interested in learning about the propensity towards false claims. Both these scams were created by far left militant lesbian feminist groups, and have been proven to be almost completely groundless nearly to a case. What happened to the perpetrators? Scot free, not held accountable in the least. The point of bringing these things up is to demonstrate the propensity and ease of lying about sexual abuse and rape in modern U.S. culture. It happens, and it can happen big.

 

Thank goodness, the country is waking up to this issue.

 

But for balanced readers here, note the vituperativeness with which claims of false rape accusations are met whenever even brought up. Read the conclusions of the Air Force study yourself and then decide for yourself whether the simple methodology was really that flawed. Basically, when the prospect of a lie detector test enters the picture, MANY women recant their rape claims. Up to you whether the Air Force had some vested interest in juggling the numbers or not. Equally up to you whether the feminist backed "rape and abuse industry" has some vested interest in fudging the stats the other way.

 

Do some reading for yourself. Please don't take my word for it as I am no expert... nor is anyone in this thread.

 

EDIT: This is another great article about rape including significant discussion of date rape. http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

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