Alpha Males...

[hydorclops]

...don't exist.

 

Stop referring to them, stop complaining about them, stop desiring them.

 

If you think you're boyfriend is an alpha, and you like that, drop him and date his boss.

 

If you think that the alpha guy at work gets all the women, you should see him at home, scrambling to stay out of trouble with his teenage daughter.

 

Wolf packs have alphas; humans organize into overlapping political coalitions.

[threebyfate]

My husband is an alpha male. I adore emotionally healthy alpha males!

[Woggle]

Alpha is just another word for strong and somebody with a backbone.

[MrNate]

What exactly is an 'alpha male' anyway? Better yet, how do you determine one of these? A fight? See who can yell the loudest? Beat their chest the hardest?

 

But I forgot we're humans, with brains that have evolved quite a bit. I really do find this terminology quite silly.

 

The idea of an 'alpha male' is laughable based on the simple fact that different women are attracted to different things.

[MrNate]

Alpha is just another word for strong and somebody with a backbone.

 

You post some awfully crazy things, Woggle. But you are spot on with this. Everyone wants someone who is strong (physically/mentally) and confident in themselves.

[Feelin Frisky]

In the wild alpha males are usually just so because of brute force, possessiveness and territorialism. Females aquiesce to being had because of the fear of doing otherwise--their chemistry may tell them they are in awe of this male package but there is fear and capitualtion too. I'm certain I don't wish to refelect such things in my behavior. What can make a human male an alpha is his self assurance that he has the goods to face all of life's toughest challeneges. If he happens to also look the part, the ladies often feel the power and the safety of aquiescing to the male's special mojo. That kind of alpha-ness is a deal with me. Can do. See signature.

[Will59]

My husband is an alpha male. I adore emotionally healthy alpha males!

 

How tall is he?

[shadowplay]

I find the term annoying too, especially because I never know what the heck other people consider an alpha male and if we're even talking about the same thing. To me an alpha male is a loud, brutish, narcissistic guy. Sort of an extreme. Some people use the term to loosely mean men who are confident, but then it gets really confusing because truly confident guys tend to have a mixture of assuming and unassuming traits. In fact a lot of people that would be considered alpha by some aren't actually that confident and are overcompensating for insecurity by trying to hog the spotlight.

[threebyfate]

How tall is he?

6'3"+. (10 character limit)

[Will59]

6'3"+. (10 character limit)

 

I should of seen that coming. Would he still be an "alpha" if he was a lot shorter? For some reason I don't think so....

[threebyfate]

I should of seen that coming. Would he still be an "alpha" if he was a lot shorter? For some reason I don't think so....

Chicken or egg? When a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Mme. Chaucer]

From my perspective, people here on LS have gone way, way overboard buying into this concept, along with the "men are visual" and "biology has programmed men to, um, sow a lot of seed."

 

I believe it's all true and our animal natures are alive and well inside of us, but we have a lot of evolution behind us, and freedom of choice.

[Will59]

Chicken or egg? When a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

 

I don't really understand that... what are u trying to say?

[Mme. Chaucer]

I should of seen that coming. Would he still be an "alpha" if he was a lot shorter? For some reason I don't think so....

 

Will, you're grounded from referring to height any more on any thread.

 

Have you ever heard of Napoleon, by the way? How about Martin Luther King? Do you think those guys might have been "Alpha"?

 

Here is a list of "famous short guys" you can use to bolster your ego. Interesting that they don't even consider 5'9" "short." Every time you want to pity yourself, whine or discuss your height, go here:

 

http://www.tallmenshoes.com/heoffashpe.html

[SadandConfusedWA]

My boss is 5'8" and he is an alpha male.

[MrNate]

I should of seen that coming. Would he still be an "alpha" if he was a lot shorter? For some reason I don't think so....

 

I saw your earlier thread.

 

Most women like a man who is taller than them. Don't you have a woman by your side as well? Compared to a lot of men on this site, you're pretty well off. So while you may not be in the 6' range, you can still attract women, which a lot of men on here have problems doing. I'm sure there are lots of taller guys who would trade spots with you.

 

 

So maybe it's better to count your blessings? At 5' 9", all is definitely not lost.

[taiko]

...don't exist.

 

Stop referring to them, stop complaining about them, stop desiring them.

 

If you think you're boyfriend is an alpha, and you like that, drop him and date his boss.

 

If you think that the alpha guy at work gets all the women, you should see him at home, scrambling to stay out of trouble with his teenage daughter.

 

Wolf packs have alphas; humans organize into overlapping political coalitions.

 

In most cases its true. But there are human polygomist packs were the Alpha choses the most desierable daughters of his followers and he kicks out the weaker males when they reach mating age. Why a woman would want an Alpha, who actually uses his power I don't know.

[Philetus]

I agree it's confusing. There are alpha personalities and beta personalities and those mean one thing. Alpha personalities are the tightly wound, quick to anger, etc. Beta's are more laid back. I have a beta personality.

 

When I think of alpha males (and I consider myself one) I think of confidence, coolness under fire, being sure of who you are, etc. Alpha males have nothing to prove. They are confident without being egotistical, bold without being pushy, able to take control without needing to exert control. They generally care little what other people think of them. They're not insecure, so they don't get jealous.

 

I believe all betas suffer from low-self esteem issues (I consider that I once was one of these). Some compensate by being brash or in your face. They're dicks. Others don't compensate. They're nervous around women, expecting rejection. Some (I have a good friend like this) can be charming because he uses self-deprecating humour, but he gets 'friend-zoned' like crazy. Women want to be good friends with the 'good' betas, they don't want to date them 'cause they're weak. They prefer to date the 'brash' beta to the 'nice' beta since he, at least, appears to have a backbone.

[Philetus]

Most women like a man who is taller than them. Don't you have a woman by your side as well? Compared to a lot of men on this site, you're pretty well off. So while you may not be in the 6' range, you can still attract women, which a lot of men on here have problems doing. I'm sure there are lots of taller guys who would trade spots with you.

 

So maybe it's better to count your blessings? At 5' 9", all is definitely not lost.

 

I'm 5'9". My gf, if anything, is a shade taller than me and when she wears heals.... you get the picture.

 

I have NO trouble dating at all. Sure there are women who wouldn't consider me 'cause I wasn't 6' tall, just like there are women who wouldn't consider me 'cause I have two kids.

 

5'9" is fine.

[anne1707]

I think a woman who goes :love: over the alleged "alphamale" is somebody who is making up for her own insecurities - especially when she claims she is an "alphafemale". Just grow up!

[hydorclops]

In most cases its true. But there are human polygomist packs were the Alpha choses the most desierable daughters of his followers and he kicks out the weaker males when they reach mating age. Why a woman would want an Alpha, who actually uses his power I don't know.

That's fascinating. David Koresh was supposedly like this. So humans have this in their nature? I wonder if it's primitive and just waiting... But it would rely on isolation. If it's natural, when and why did we tend to stop this behavior?

 

Lots of interesting replies in this thread.

 

Alpha means number one. So don't you have to be the alpha instead of an alpha? And if your boss is alpha, what is his boss?

 

The common usage is metaphorical and the intention of the writer/speaker is often unclear, as has been pointed out.

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

Alpha means number one. So don't you have to be the alpha instead of an alpha? And if your boss is alpha, what is his boss?

 

Well, I think that the fact that we have evolved a lot of new behaviors that have eclipsed much that is animalistic within us explains that. An alpha-ish person can submit to the will of another one if he / she believes that it will be in their best interests to do so.

 

In the wild, lots of animals only allow one breeding adult male in the pack / herd. The young upstarts fight for that position and if they don't win or be killed, they roam away and try to collect their own harem. Pretty much like the leaders of those packs of polygamists, like Warren Jeffs.

[Green]

In a wolf pack the Alpha is just the wolf who mates. Also they don't fight there way to the top they usualy created the wolf pack by being the father of all the wolfes in the pack. Pretty much any wolf who leaves its pack to start a new pack becomes an alpha... so by that definition every father is the alpha of the family he created ... (seriously when you think of it like that it is so pointless)

 

I really agree with this post in that Alpha is all in the way you look at a guy. Maybe some people view there boss at work as "alpha:" but then he goes home and his teenage daughter and wife bitch him out... its all in the eye of the beholder and its really silly to think to yourself... boy I want to be an alpha male.

[The Collector]

I should of seen that coming. Would he still be an "alpha" if he was a lot shorter? For some reason I don't think so....

 

To many 'alpha females' your height will be less important than that you know that the correct grammar is 'should have.'

[The Collector]

Also we are more like apes than wolves (obviously)... in the ape world the 'alpha' isn't necessarily the toughest... he has to be responsible and care for the group too to get to mate with all the hottie female apes. Just being a psycho fight-machine will not make you head-honcho, as in our civilized human world.