TwilightSky Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 I'm starting to wonder if some people who have high self-confidence are fooling themselves. Now, I'm not one to want others to suffer emotionally (or in any way), but consider this example. You have someone who is ugly, stupid, and socially retarded, now obviously their high opinion of themselves (thinking they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic) is inaccurate. And that view isn't going to help them at all, except to prevent them from emotional problems. So, I pose the question again, is high self-confidence unrealistic for some people?
westrock Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 There is a fine line between high self-confidence and arrogance. You have someone who is ugly, stupid, and socially retarded Who is making that decision? It's not up to anyone else to determine if someone is ugly, stupid and socially retarded. It's all relative. If someone thinks they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic, then more power to them as long as they are not arrogant about it. What gives anyone else the right to judge them otherwise? Actually, I'd say that someone who judges another as ugly, stupid and socially retarded is the one with the low self esteem.
Author TwilightSky Posted August 23, 2010 Author Posted August 23, 2010 It was a hypothetical. Also, I realize the sentence in the title, was ill-structured. I meant to say "Is low self-confidence realistic for some people?"
Ilovecake Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 I'm starting to wonder if some people who have high self-confidence are fooling themselves. Now, I'm not one to want others to suffer emotionally (or in any way), but consider this example. You have someone who is ugly, stupid, and socially retarded, now obviously their high opinion of themselves (thinking they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic) is inaccurate. And that view isn't going to help them at all, except to prevent them from emotional problems. So, I pose the question again, is high self-confidence unrealistic for some people? It's a known fact that if you judge other's that superficially and harshly it is 100% a reflection of your own personal insecurities.
hotpink2108 Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 There is a fine line between high self-confidence and arrogance. Who is making that decision? It's not up to anyone else to determine if someone is ugly, stupid and socially retarded. It's all relative. If someone thinks they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic, then more power to them as long as they are not arrogant about it. What gives anyone else the right to judge them otherwise? Actually, I'd say that someone who judges another as ugly, stupid and socially retarded is the one with the low self esteem. I agree! Usually someone with low self esteem will try to take their pain out on other people and comment very rudely about someone else
Author TwilightSky Posted September 11, 2010 Author Posted September 11, 2010 It's a known fact that if you judge other's that superficially and harshly it is 100% a reflection of your own personal insecurities. Sorry, to resurrect this thread, I've just recently regained internet access. I wasn't judging anyone in the real world, it was a hypothetical. I know this sounds like an incredily mean-spirited topic. My mission isn't to make anyone feel bad, I guess I'm concerned about how my original question applies to me. From the way I see it, confidence doesn't matter in the face of reality.
Leigh 87 Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 The facts of life are, that if a person has physically unpleasant characteristics ( acne, female with facial hair, large body type, lack of exercise etc), is poorly educated, and is socially inept, then this person will not be able to connect well with attractive, intelligent, and worthwhile people. The thing is, to feel good about oneself, people need to at least BE doing something. If an ugly person tried their best in their situation, such as getting whatever job they could, and just tryingt o better themselves, then these people COULD think highly of themselves. On the other hand, some people with undesirable traits may not be mtoivated to try hard in life, and try to be a nice or ambitious person. The thing is, if a person is not physically healthy, eats badly, is over weight, has no drive or ambitions or direction in life, and does not try to achieve anything, then they probably will not feel that great about themselves. It is all relative; if a person makes the most of what they have, and carry themselves well, they CAN have high confidence. Evem if they are unattractive, and working in a poorly paid/ non high powered job. Although it can be harder for non attractive and poorly educated people to really feel inspired to try hard at life, even if they want to better themselves and increase their level of education ( go back to school), and work out and eat right, they may not be able to afford it, so they have to just work a lower job and go for runs outside, until they earn enough to get a better education and join a gym and etc.... THE POINT; is if a person is aiming to better themselves and make the most of what they HAVE, then it does not matter what process they r in; even at the very bottom, unnatractive and poorly educated people can have high self confidence IF they have goals, and are just in the begining stage of excecuting them.
Treasa Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 The facts of life are, that if a person has physically unpleasant characteristics ( acne, female with facial hair, large body type, lack of exercise etc), is poorly educated, and is socially inept, then this person will not be able to connect well with attractive, intelligent, and worthwhile people. The thing is, to feel good about oneself, people need to at least BE doing something. If an ugly person tried their best in their situation, such as getting whatever job they could, and just tryingt o better themselves, then these people COULD think highly of themselves. On the other hand, some people with undesirable traits may not be mtoivated to try hard in life, and try to be a nice or ambitious person. The thing is, if a person is not physically healthy, eats badly, is over weight, has no drive or ambitions or direction in life, and does not try to achieve anything, then they probably will not feel that great about themselves. It is all relative; if a person makes the most of what they have, and carry themselves well, they CAN have high confidence. Evem if they are unattractive, and working in a poorly paid/ non high powered job. Although it can be harder for non attractive and poorly educated people to really feel inspired to try hard at life, even if they want to better themselves and increase their level of education ( go back to school), and work out and eat right, they may not be able to afford it, so they have to just work a lower job and go for runs outside, until they earn enough to get a better education and join a gym and etc.... THE POINT; is if a person is aiming to better themselves and make the most of what they HAVE, then it does not matter what process they r in; even at the very bottom, unnatractive and poorly educated people can have high self confidence IF they have goals, and are just in the begining stage of excecuting them. How old are you?
Leigh 87 Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 Why do you want to know my age? I am 23.
Fouts Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 People who display exaggerated levels of self confidence or self worth usually are masking some major insecurities.
Disillusioned Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 People who display exaggerated levels of self confidence or self worth usually are masking some major insecurities. True, but others who've accomplished things might be justified in having something worth being arrogant about.
stillafool Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 I'm starting to wonder if some people who have high self-confidence are fooling themselves. Now, I'm not one to want others to suffer emotionally (or in any way), but consider this example. You have someone who is ugly, stupid, and socially retarded, now obviously their high opinion of themselves (thinking they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic) is inaccurate. And that view isn't going to help them at all, except to prevent them from emotional problems. So, I pose the question again, is high self-confidence unrealistic for some people? I think the problem is parents tell their kids how wonderful, beautiful, talented and incredible they are and unfortunately they believe it.
jean-luc sisko Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 I'm starting to wonder if some people who have high self-confidence are fooling themselves. Now, I'm not one to want others to suffer emotionally (or in any way), but consider this example. You have someone who is ugly, stupid, and socially retarded, now obviously their high opinion of themselves (thinking they are attractive, intelligent, and charismatic) is inaccurate. And that view isn't going to help them at all, except to prevent them from emotional problems. So, I pose the question again, is high self-confidence unrealistic for some people? Intelligence doesn't have to come from looks. On what basis is that conclusion made?
jean-luc sisko Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 The facts of life are, that if a person has physically unpleasant characteristics ( acne, female with facial hair, large body type, lack of exercise etc), is poorly educated, and is socially inept, then this person will not be able to connect well with attractive, intelligent, and worthwhile people. The thing is, to feel good about oneself, people need to at least BE doing something. If an ugly person tried their best in their situation, such as getting whatever job they could, and just tryingt o better themselves, then these people COULD think highly of themselves. On the other hand, some people with undesirable traits may not be mtoivated to try hard in life, and try to be a nice or ambitious person. The thing is, if a person is not physically healthy, eats badly, is over weight, has no drive or ambitions or direction in life, and does not try to achieve anything, then they probably will not feel that great about themselves. It is all relative; if a person makes the most of what they have, and carry themselves well, they CAN have high confidence. Evem if they are unattractive, and working in a poorly paid/ non high powered job. Although it can be harder for non attractive and poorly educated people to really feel inspired to try hard at life, even if they want to better themselves and increase their level of education ( go back to school), and work out and eat right, they may not be able to afford it, so they have to just work a lower job and go for runs outside, until they earn enough to get a better education and join a gym and etc.... THE POINT; is if a person is aiming to better themselves and make the most of what they HAVE, then it does not matter what process they r in; even at the very bottom, unnatractive and poorly educated people can have high self confidence IF they have goals, and are just in the begining stage of excecuting them. Bull****. You're just spouting pop culture ideas, which have no basis in fact or reality. No one person has a monopoly on confidence.
loverofloveandstuff Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 This is the first thing that came to mind when I read your post OP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVOIWgtu50
Star Gazer Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 It's a known fact that if you judge other's that superficially and harshly it is 100% a reflection of your own personal insecurities. Agreed, 10000%, particularly with those who judge other's appearances.
Author TwilightSky Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) For those that think I am judging other's appearances/flaws, etc, I'm not. Thing is, a lot of people do. So, logically, how can a person be confident in thinking "I'll be successful in dating," or rather, how can a person sustain this in evidence of the contrary due to having said flaws? Also, that vid was funny. Edited September 18, 2010 by TwilightSky
brainblox Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 (edited) What I find annoying in some people may be a turn on in others and I love the way that works it makes us diverse and that's got to be a good thing, parts of my personality embarrass me:rolleyes: but I have been told by others that it's cute so who knows ? Edited September 19, 2010 by brainblox
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