U.S Women vs Foreign Women

[AverageJoe]

Really?

 

Bringing it back to the OP, he isn't offering these women anything long term. He wants dedication and sacrifice without offering anything up.

 

Where did I say this? These words.

[that girl]

That girl. Semantics in regards to your response, we have been through this. Everyone has read this thread.

You found yourself backed into a corner and cant answer what I asked. Its not true, you fabricated what I wrote and substituted your own reality.

 

 

Can you or can you not quote me with what you said?

 

You cant, because I never said it.

 

I extensively quoted you and included several questions, none of which you responded to.

 

You seem to be looking for a quote where you literally said "I want dedication and sacrifice without offering anything in return." And no, you didn't say that. But before you do your dance of victory, I was paraphrasing (restating using other words) which I then quoted examples of.

[AverageJoe]

You seem to be looking for a quote where you literally said "I want dedication and sacrifice without offering anything in return."

 

Correct, I wanted you to prove to me where I said that. You said thats what I appear to want, it wasnt me that said that. You did.

Your accusations were unfounded.

Edited August 16, 2010 by AverageJoe

[Green]

There's a difference.

 

He made this thread about women being unattractive because they are American. I can't help it where I was born. That's something I do not control and I also disagree that it's something that controls my personality.

 

I also hate stereotypes.

 

And don't think I have issues with men just for defending myself. The same as how all the American men defended themselves when someone came into this thread insulting all of them.

 

And like I've said before, people are welcome to prefer physically and in other ways foreign women, but when you make a thread about how all American women are all unattractive and that's why you only like foreign women, then you're actually making a thread about how much you hate American women and shouldn't be surprised when people argue with you.

 

But american women on average are fatter/uglier and meaner then the avg foreigner... I feel that most men will agree. But even if they don't thats my point of view.

[nddb]

Ultimately, it comes down to choices. I'm thankful that men and women these days have choices in the partners they choose and the culture from which the partner comes from.

 

What some men don't get is that the quickest way for a devoted and happy wife or girlfriend to turn bitter is to act toward her with expectation versus appreciation, with indifference versus attention, with coldness versus adoration. No matter what culture she comes from, that's the recipe for an unhappy relationship.

 

Guys who complain about women from the US ought to look at themselves in the mirror too. Sometimes, the girl is rotten but sometimes, we men contribute to it.

 

Some women, and I'm sorry to say that it's mostly women from the US culture that I experienced this with although it's not confined only to the US culture, also don't understand that just because one partner (say the man) leads doesn't mean that it's a master lording over a slave.

 

It could be a dance and she wants him to lead so they can dance.

 

Some men are more natural at being the lead (I'm included in that group). Partnership is fine but when push comes to shove, when the bus is about to bear down on our child, when a difficult decision needs to be made, when everyone is uncertain and there needs to be a confident voice, I'm most at ease in a relationship where I am given the trust to lead and my wife will support me 100% even if it turns out I was wrong afterwards. I'm only human.

 

My wife has a joke that I'm the leader of the household because she delegates that to me. That's not too far from the truth.

 

Some female posters in this thread gives me the heebie jeebie. I can only say please don't bring the war of the sexes into a relationship. This US culture encourages that. That too is a quick way to destroy it. If I devote myself to you, don't shred me with the ferocity of a spinning buzzsaw blade when I innocently or honestly believe in something that may offend your feminist sisterhood sensibility. Know that I'm a man, not different from your own brother or a dear male friend you know, who has a lot to learn, has insecurities, and wants a loving relationship too. I will leave if you shred me once too many times because it gets tiring.

 

I found my luck in an Asian girl ultimately but it doesn't mean all Asian girls are wonderful (because they are not--there are good and bad everywhere) or that there aren't good women in the US. You just need to look harder. I got married late and got my heart torn out and stomped on a bunch of times. I know what I speak of. Experience is a harsh teacher.

Edited August 16, 2010 by nddb

[AverageJoe]

Nice post nddb.

 

 

 

He made this thread about women being unattractive because they are American

 

I did?

[that girl]

Correct, I wanted you to prove to me where I said that. You said thats what I appear to want, it wasnt me that said that. You did.

Your accusations were unfounded.

No, they are not because I quoted what you said that had informed my opinion that you expected more than you are willing to give.

 

Obviously you are a troll, but I asked several questions in my oh so long post that you have not bothered to answer.

[SarahRose]

From my observations on western men who purposely seek out women in 3rd world countries is that no local woman would touch them with a 10 foot pole so they are forced to go abroad and buy a woman to have sex with them.

 

From the stories I have read, the 3rd world girls are just looking for a fat wallet out of poverty.

 

To the guy saying he is treated like a king abroad by foreign women, it isn't because of any redeeming qualities but rather they see you as a walking green card out of poverty. They fool some sad sap into marrying them and bringing them back to the US where they stay for the 2 years and then they divorce them and leave.

 

These men often have serious mental and social issues so they try to buy themselves a passive servant.

 

This one guys marries a teenager who he doesn't know has TB. He has only talked to this girl online for a few months and goes over and marries her the first week he is there. He stays a couple more weeks and gets his rocks off and goes back to the US. Then he gets word she is in the hospital. So this idiot is sending the family money which most isn't going to her medical care. Does he fly out there immediately to be with his wife? Hell no, he thinks he can pay someone else to deal with his little problem. He claims he didn't realize she was so sick. She was in the hospital for a month.

 

So he gets a call that she died and he flies out there to bury her. They had only been married 6 months. He wrote he made sure to get her death certificate so he can marry again there. How nice! The family was already offering up the 20 year old and 12 year old sister to him.

 

You hear stories of the families encouraging their daughters to be sex cam or bar girls and selling their 13 year old to the highest bidder western pervert.

 

A 3rd world girl is much more likely to take a guy to the cleaners as they see all this wealth on tv and the internet and are desperate to get it.

 

So if you are an old fat smelly guy with control issues and some beautiful 18 year old Thai girl says she is in love with you and wants to marry you, don't delude yourself that this has anything to do with love. It's a business transaction simple as that.

[nddb]

But american women on average are fatter/uglier and meaner then the avg foreigner... I feel that most men will agree. But even if they don't thats my point of view.

 

I disagee with the uglier or meaner. There are stunning women in every culture group. As to meaner, it depends. There are heartless, ATM-sucking users among foreign women as well as American women. Don't set yourself up for a false expectation about foreign women.

 

But I would agree that statistically, American women are on average heavier. But this is part genetics, part product of the environment. But it may not matter to some men.

 

Call me a chubby chaser but I wouldn't care if my wife is heavier than she is now, as long as she is not obese. I'm glad she's also not as harsh about her standard, as I'm no George Clooney.

 

In my case, I don't need to worry since she's never broken 120 lbs even at her heaviest. But honestly, if she's 130, 140, 150lbs, so what? I'll take a sweet, loving heavier girl over a cold heartless ice princess (and there are those in every culture) any day and twice on Sunday.

 

If she stays confident and sexy and happy...there's more to love, that's all.

[AverageJoe]

No, they are not because I quoted what you said that had informed my opinion that you expected more than you are willing to give.

 

Obviously you are a troll, but I asked several questions in my oh so long post that you have not bothered to answer.

 

Right, its your opinion, thats all we have here, our opinions. Its a message board for chirst sake.

 

Again here we go. Where did I say I expected anything? I didnt, and I dont. Why do you insist on putting words into something I never said? You formed your opinion and thats fine, no sweat. Just dont accuse me of something I did not say.

[that girl]

Average Joe- If you are going to continuiously reply to me, you should at least answer my questions.

To refresh your memory

 

She took care of me like no other women ever has.

 

She would do anything to make me happy, and that made her happy.

These do not sound like equal relationships where you both take care of each other in different ways.

What were you doing for them specifically?

 

If you want to be a pussy and be told what to do then come home to an empty house every other night, then live it up.

What do you care if she isn't home when you get home if you aren't thinking about marriage?

 

Being told you have two hands you can do it yourself, or you have one hand you can do it yourself.

If you're just dating, how would this come up? Are you asking your girlfriends to cook you dinner? (There is a difference between a girlfriend who happily cooks for you on her own initiative and one you boss around).

 

respect is earned not given and made sure they were treated in kind.

So you wait until they've proven themselves to be different than all those American bitches before giving them respect?

[nddb]

From my observations on western men who purposely seek out women in 3rd world countries is that no local woman would touch them with a 10 foot pole so they are forced to go abroad and buy a woman to have sex with them.

 

From the stories I have read, the 3rd world girls are just looking for a fat wallet out of poverty.

 

To the guy saying he is treated like a king abroad by foreign women, it isn't because of any redeeming qualities but rather they see you as a walking green card out of poverty. They fool some sad sap into marrying them and bringing them back to the US where they stay for the 2 years and then they divorce them and leave.

 

These men often have serious mental and social issues so they try to buy themselves a passive servant.

 

This one guys marries a teenager who he doesn't know has TB. He has only talked to this girl online for a few months and goes over and marries her the first week he is there. He stays a couple more weeks and gets his rocks off and goes back to the US. Then he gets word she is in the hospital. So this idiot is sending the family money which most isn't going to her medical care. Does he fly out there immediately to be with his wife? Hell no, he thinks he can pay someone else to deal with his little problem. He claims he didn't realize she was so sick. She was in the hospital for a month.

 

So he gets a call that she died and he flies out there to bury her. They had only been married 6 months. He wrote he made sure to get her death certificate so he can marry again there. How nice! The family was already offering up the 20 year old and 12 year old sister to him.

 

You hear stories of the families encouraging their daughters to be sex cam or bar girls and selling their 13 year old to the highest bidder western pervert.

 

A 3rd world girl is much more likely to take a guy to the cleaners as they see all this wealth on tv and the internet and are desperate to get it.

 

So if you are an old fat smelly guy with control issues and some beautiful 18 year old Thai girl says she is in love with you and wants to marry you, don't delude yourself that this has anything to do with love. It's a business transaction simple as that.

 

Bitter much?

 

You are stereotyping foreign third-world women into cold money sucking beotches. And stereotyping men who marry these women into desperate people. And you are bringing Jerry-Springer type of evidence to back up your "assertion."

 

And no, this is not being personally defensive. I met my wife when I was a student (not old or fat as your stereotype), dirt poor with not two pennies to rub together. A load of student debt actually. And she is not younger than me (a few years older in fact--my old posts about older wives prove this, and had a job paying unlike my unemployed student self).

 

I had to beat out two other guys to win her affection. Both are well-to-do young American college-educated professionals from her work place (thankfully they suck at romancing). She went with the poorer guy (who thankfully didn't stay poor too long).

 

Your sweeping generalization and denigration of a whole group of people is as wrong as saying all American women are fat money-grubbing bitches (they are not--but I'm sure someone can come up with Jerry-Springer type stories too and back up that assertion if they wish).

 

News flash: There are good and bad people among all socioeconomic classes but even poor women (and men) look for love. Some of the most generous and caring people I've met in my travel are dirt poor. Some of the most selfish people I met are from well-to-do countries.

 

P.S. Don't believe everything you read ("from the stories I've read..."). Go travel and find out for yourself. I did that for about a year, and it opened my eyes.

Edited August 16, 2010 by nddb

[marsle85]

I'm going to go out on a limb and connect the dots:

 

Presumably, it's sensible to assume the registered users on Loveshack have romantic conflicts/problems... atleast more than the average person. Loveshack User A is likely to have more emotional/mental/physical factors that hinder their success at meeting their match. Further, the flamatory threads reflecting copious amounts of sexism, phobias, racism and other forms of egocentrism are merely symptoms of the true problem at hand: the original poster's romantic/social impairments.

 

The OP doesn't need a foreign woman, he needs a therapist.

Edited August 16, 2010 by marsle85

[nddb]

I'm going to go out on a limb and connect the dots:

 

Presumably, it's sensible to assume the registered users on Loveshack have romantic conflicts/problems... atleast more than the average person. Loveshack User A is likely to have more emotional/mental/physical factors that hinder their success at meeting their match. Further, the flamatory threads reflecting copious amounts of sexism, phobias, racism and other forms of egocentrism are merely symptoms of the true problem at hand: the original poster's romantic/social impairments.

 

May be some are but some aren't.

 

Speaking as a man, I didn't ever learn growing up what women want, what their insecurities are, what makes them happy, what gives them the creep.

 

The internet gave me a lot of that education to improve my own lot.

 

Online forum is an educational resource. This one is about relationship.

 

Are you saying that people who register with forums about food or cooking all suck at cooking?

[AverageJoe]

Average Joe- If you are going to continuiously reply to me, you should at least answer my questions.

To refresh your memory

 

 

What were you doing for them specifically?

 

At first I was going to indulge you point by point. Then I remembered I have a set of balls and I owe you nothing. Nothing. Its all here for you to read. You accused me of a false pretense, a fabrication of what I said, and then you expect me to accomodate you in your request? Not a chance.

[marsle85]

May be some are but some aren't.

 

Speaking as a man, I didn't ever learn growing up what women want, what their insecurities are, what makes them happy, what gives them the creep.

 

The internet gave me a lot of that education to improve my own lot.

 

Online forum is an educational resource. This one is about relationship.

 

Are you saying that people who register with forums about food or cooking all suck at cooking?

 

Surely not, I didn't generalize the entire population of LS readers... just stating the increased probability.

[SarahRose]

Bitter much?

 

You are stereotyping foreign third-world women into cold money sucking beotches. And stereotyping men who marry these women into desperate people. And you are bringing Jerry-Springer type of evidence to back up your "assertion."

 

And no, this is not being personally defensive. I met my wife when I was a student (not old or fat as your stereotype), dirt poor with not two pennies to rub together. A load of student debt actually. And she is not younger than me (a few years older in fact--my old posts about older wives prove this, and had a job paying unlike my unemployed student self).

 

I had to beat out two other guys to win her affection. Both are well-to-do young American college-educated professionals from her work place (thankfully they suck at romancing). She went with the poorer guy (who thankfully didn't stay poor too long).

 

Your sweeping generalization and denigration of a whole group of people is as wrong as saying all American women are fat money-grubbing bitches (they are not--but I'm sure someone can come up with Jerry-Springer type stories too and back up that assertion if they wish).

 

News flash: There are good and bad people among all socioeconomic classes but even poor women (and men) look for love. Some of the most generous and caring people I've met in my travel are dirt poor. Some of the most selfish people I met are from well-to-do countries.

 

P.S. Don't believe everything you read ("from the stories I've read..."). Go travel and find out for yourself. I did that for about a year, and it opened my eyes.

 

So you went to school in a 3rd world country and that is where you met your wife?

[Green]

Surely not, I didn't generalize the entire population of LS readers... just stating the increased probability.

 

Interesting on how you became the thing you yourself pointed out by your own circular logic which has turned on yourself.

[meerkat stew]

And you are bringing Jerry-Springer type of evidence to back up your "assertion."

 

Much more professionally done than "Jerry Springer" type evidence, and much more insidious.

 

The types of "stories" she has "heard" are designed to manipulate women politically, to polarize the genders. "There are hundreds of thousands of men in the U.S. oppressing foreign women via mail order bride services." See how perfect this is? Not only are the men oppressing the foreign women, they are also rejecting U.S. women, a double whammy of manipulative goodness. Ask her to cite her sources, there will be agitprop at the base of each one of them, and of course, any success stories of US men marrying foreign women are never mentioned.

 

I have no idea as to the true statistics of the mail order bride industry, but would love to eat some crow here, so anyone who can substantiate what Sarah Rose has read or seen as statistically significant likely outcomes of US men seeking foreign brides and not just agitprop emphasis of outliers for political gain, please do so. You could really embarrass me here if you are up to it, but somehow I'm not worried

 

Oh, P.S., another unsubstantiated assertion I'll make is that for every heartless cruel American man who "oppresses" foreign women in the way Sarah Rose describes, there are in fact 100 US men duped, scammed or oppressed by foreigners in the process of pursuing the prospect of a wife overseas. But of course these men deserve what they get, I imagine. And don't bother rationalizing as I am -not- one of the ones who have claimed that foreign women are some panacea.

 

It is interesting though, and quite telling, that so many men find the prospect of dating an American woman so distasteful that they go to the immense trouble and expense of trying to find a woman outside the US. But I suppose this is all the men's fault who resort to this because they all want a "slave" as opposed to a reasonable, decent, moral woman to share their lives with.

[Enchanted Girl]

Ultimately, it comes down to choices. I'm thankful that men and women these days have choices in the partners they choose and the culture from which the partner comes from.

 

What some men don't get is that the quickest way for a devoted and happy wife or girlfriend to turn bitter is to act toward her with expectation versus appreciation, with indifference versus attention, with coldness versus adoration. No matter what culture she comes from, that's the recipe for an unhappy relationship.

 

Guys who complain about women from the US ought to look at themselves in the mirror too. Sometimes, the girl is rotten but sometimes, we men contribute to it.

 

Some women, and I'm sorry to say that it's mostly women from the US culture that I experienced this with although it's not confined only to the US culture, also don't understand that just because one partner (say the man) leads doesn't mean that it's a master lording over a slave.

 

It could be a dance and she wants him to lead so they can dance.

 

Some men are more natural at being the lead (I'm included in that group). Partnership is fine but when push comes to shove, when the bus is about to bear down on our child, when a difficult decision needs to be made, when everyone is uncertain and there needs to be a confident voice, I'm most at ease in a relationship where I am given the trust to lead and my wife will support me 100% even if it turns out I was wrong afterwards. I'm only human.

 

My wife has a joke that I'm the leader of the household because she delegates that to me. That's not too far from the truth.

 

Some female posters in this thread gives me the heebie jeebie. I can only say please don't bring the war of the sexes into a relationship. This US culture encourages that. That too is a quick way to destroy it. If I devote myself to you, don't shred me with the ferocity of a spinning buzzsaw blade when I innocently or honestly believe in something that may offend your feminist sisterhood sensibility. Know that I'm a man, not different from your own brother or a dear male friend you know, who has a lot to learn, has insecurities, and wants a loving relationship too. I will leave if you shred me once too many times because it gets tiring.

 

I found my luck in an Asian girl ultimately but it doesn't mean all Asian girls are wonderful (because they are not--there are good and bad everywhere) or that there aren't good women in the US. You just need to look harder. I got married late and got my heart torn out and stomped on a bunch of times. I know what I speak of. Experience is a harsh teacher.

 

There have been very few posts in this thread where women said anything rude about men or acted controlling or whatever. I seriously believe that some men use the "You aren't being feminine and sweet" excuse to make women shut-up and sit around, twiddling their thumbs and not being allowed to have opinions.

 

Why haven't you been upset at even ONE single man on here for debating so much? If that makes us women crazy, mean people, doesn't it make the men that, too?

 

You have to understand, the entirety of this thread has been an attack on American women with a few exceptions maybe. None of the posts here are men defending themselves because us women are psychotically accusing them of things. It's us making post after post about how American women aren't all evil and how a woman who doesn't stay at home and act submissive is the only kind of woman who is a good one. We haven't been accusing them of anything and yet, people keep coming in here and calling the women who debate in this thread psychos.

 

I didn't argue with anything pyro said when he posted in here. He's a man. Shouldn't I automatically be assuming he's my enemy then? I don't. He's a very nice man who says some very nice things on here.

 

I also hardly ever get into debates over sexism in real life. I hardly ever get into debates on any other forum on this issue either. It's only here and it's only because the men on here keep making threads like,"All American women suck, so that's why foreign women are better" and "All women are conniving, immature cheaters." Things like that. I'm going to argue with it when it happens.

 

This also has nothing to do with who leads who while dancing. None of us care who leads who while dancing. We didn't even bring up the subject. It's not important to us.

 

If you actually read our posts, you'd see that we agreed with you on the rest of everything you said. People should live out the lives they want to live them out. If you and your wife want to have your marriage balanced out that way, then we don't care, we just don't like it when people come into threads and say all people should be that way.

 

And also, I've never been treated like crap by a man who wasn't an American. Ever in my entire life. I've known and been friends with some men who weren't American, but the vast majority of men I interact with ARE American and I'm not going to make a thread about how you should only date foreign men because American men are *******s. Because that's insane and if I did make a thread like that, I fully expect every American man on here to be angry and I don't think it's logical to say,"Why are you offended?! It's because you're angry and a horrible person who insists on promoting arguments between the genders."

 

It's kind of like me going to your house and calling your wife and bitch and then if she gets mad at me for it, saying that she's controlling and not submissive to you because she was offended by me calling her a name. That's not how it works.

[Enchanted Girl]

I also want to add very quickly . . .

 

I agree with you guys that not all men who marry foreign women are just trying to find a woman they can take advantage of. I think she was probably just trying to force stereotypes on you guys because you were forcing stereotypes on American women, but I hate stereotypes of all kinds.

 

All these things DO happen, but I think to generalize it and say the majority of people, even, are this way, isn't the truth.

[that girl]

At first I was going to indulge you point by point. Then I remembered I have a set of balls and I owe you nothing. Nothing. Its all here for you to read. You accused me of a false pretense, a fabrication of what I said, and then you expect me to accomodate you in your request? Not a chance.

You don't owe me anything, but it seems to be very important to you that I admit that you aren't a selfish guy.

 

You say you won't answer my questions because you're too manly. I think it is because you are such a self-involved troll that you didn't even think it would be odd to want a woman waiting at home during a more casual relationship.

[Enchanted Girl]

You don't owe me anything, but it seems to be very important to you that I admit that you aren't a selfish guy.

 

You say you won't answer my questions because you're too manly. I think it is because you are such a self-involved troll that you didn't even think it would be odd to want a woman waiting at home during a more casual relationship.

 

He's just the type of guy who says something rude and then pretends later he didn't say it.

 

Just like some people cheat in relationships or lie and then when you confront them about it, even if you SAW them cheating or something, they'll continue to deny it until they're blue in the face.

[that girl]

Much more professionally done than "Jerry Springer" type evidence, and much more insidious.

 

The types of "stories" she has "heard" are designed to manipulate women politically, to polarize the genders. "There are hundreds of thousands of men in the U.S. oppressing foreign women via mail order bride services." See how perfect this is? Not only are the men oppressing the foreign women, they are also rejecting U.S. women, a double whammy of manipulative goodness. Ask her to cite her sources, there will be agitprop at the base of each one of them, and of course, any success stories of US men marrying foreign women are never mentioned.

 

I have no idea as to the true statistics of the mail order bride industry, but would love to eat some crow here, so anyone who can substantiate what Sarah Rose has read or seen as statistically significant likely outcomes of US men seeking foreign brides and not just agitprop emphasis of outliers for political gain, please do so. You could really embarrass me here if you are up to it, but somehow I'm not worried

 

Oh, P.S., another unsubstantiated assertion I'll make is that for every heartless cruel American man who "oppresses" foreign women in the way Sarah Rose describes, there are in fact 100 US men duped, scammed or oppressed by foreigners in the process of pursuing the prospect of a wife overseas. But of course these men deserve what they get, I imagine. And don't bother rationalizing as I am -not- one of the ones who have claimed that foreign women are some panacea.

 

It is interesting though, and quite telling, that so many men find the prospect of dating an American woman so distasteful that they go to the immense trouble and expense of trying to find a woman outside the US. But I suppose this is all the men's fault who resort to this because they all want a "slave" as opposed to a reasonable, decent, moral woman to share their lives with.

Meekrat, I don't think you understand that women do not look at men who have mail order brides as lost opportunities. There were actually changes made to immigration law over the last 10 years because of the rate of domestic abuse in these relationships.

 

I really don't think mail order brides say anything about American women. First, the number is apparently very low for actual marriages, I've heard about 4,000 a year which in a country of 300 million is tiny.

 

I think there are probably two types of men who go the mail order route.

 

One is the woman hater and all around jerk. I only have one personal example of someone who went the mail order bride route- a family I babysat part time while I was in school (so I saw this man pretty upclose and personal). The father was a very good provider, but a distant and disinterested father. He was rude to me, rude to his wife, and rude to his kids. I did a lot of babysitting in high school and college and he was the only father who I thought was a bad father and just a bad person. His wife on the other hand was lovely, pretty, sweet, a devoted mother, very upbeat. And since I know people will ask, she was also very attractive, I actually watched her kids so she could go to the gym. A few years after I stopped babysitting the kids, they divorced and he ran out and got a mail order bride, who divorced him as soon as her green card was in. I would guess this guy has some pretty hateful ideas about women since at least two wives have left him, but it is really all on him.

 

The other type of guy who might go the mail order bride route is just super socially awkward and shy. He probably lives rurally. And for this rare type of guy who legitimately can't find anyone to date, mail order might not be the worst thing. It is still going to be very hard to find a real loving connection when all you have is emails and a few brief meetings with someone who doesn't speak your language natively, but I think it is possible.

 

There are lots of reasons why someone would pursue foreigners, some people like the appeal of the exotic. I have three friends (all female, all North American) who have immigrated for a guy they met in a non-mail order bride way. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

But a guy who goes on about how terrible American women are and only foreign women appreciate the glory that is American masculinity is not a great guy. No one is missing out by not dating him.

[MrNate]

Why all the debate about American vs. Euro women?

 

I prefer Brazilian over any.