U.S Women vs Foreign Women

[Enchanted Girl]

well I can tell you missed the entire point of the thread

 

No, I did not.

 

The point was that foreign women were better by default because American women were so awful. My point was that American women aren't awful.

[Green]

No, I did not.

 

The point was that foreign women were better by default because American women were so awful. My point was that American women aren't awful.

 

From my personal point of view most American women are awful...I feel like its common place to find attractive women else where and its a little more rare to find that in this country.

[Enchanted Girl]

From my personal point of view most American women are awful...I feel like its common place to find attractive women else where and its a little more rare to find that in this country.

 

How many foreign women have you dated? A lot? Any at all?

 

I'm not pretending you didn't have awful experiences. Pretty much everyone has had awful experiences in regards to whatever gender they are attracted to.

[Green]

How many foreign women have you dated? A lot? Any at all?

 

I'm not pretending you didn't have awful experiences. Pretty much everyone has had awful experiences in regards to whatever gender they are attracted to.

 

I've socialy interacted with many foreign and american women... I've also visualy observed many of both.

 

On avg foreign women are just NICER.

 

Also when you walk down the streets of Europe you see far more physicaly attractive women.

[Enchanted Girl]

I've socialy interacted with many foreign and american women... I've also visualy observed many of both.

 

On avg foreign women are just NICER.

 

Also when you walk down the streets of Europe you see far more physicaly attractive women.

 

But you haven't dated them? I've seen a lot of people become totally different people once you date them.

 

Whether they are physically attractive or not is up to an individual's own, personal preference.

[silverfish]

I experienced a similar POV when I lived in France. Some French men said the same about French women and preferred 'foreign' women.

 

I found it a little disconcerting at times. For example, if a man started a conversation with me, his attitude towards me often changed when he heard my foreign accent. There was a perception that foreign women were more passive, submissive, but also more easy than french women.

 

Maybe this was down to the language barrier, vulnerability at being in a strange country, and the 'abroad sex' that happens often to people away from home. French women seemed to me not much different in their attitudes and behaviours relationship-wise.

[Green]

But you haven't dated them? I've seen a lot of people become totally different people once you date them.

 

Whether they are physically attractive or not is up to an individual's own, personal preference.

 

No I only ever dated american women and they were all horible except for the one I date now. I do live in this country and have probably only spent the equivalent of 3 months outside of it. But every time I leave the U.S. with the exception of England and maybe Greece the women have always been better looking then what I usualy see around here.

[Enchanted Girl]

How is religion a part of this? I don't see it.

 

"Traditional gender ideas often come with other traditional ideas."

 

As that girl (I believe it was) said earlier in this thread.

 

Just note, I said usually, not always. It was more of a guidance about where you could find this in America if you're on a search for it. Rather than just forcing someone to find it by sifting through the entire population. It was just one example of where it could be found, since everyone was saying it could be found nowhere in America.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Enchanted Girl

[Eve]

I can fully understang geting sick of seeing people of a simular personality within say ones home Town. I cannot however envision extending this to a whole Country!!

 

Finding an accent attractive, or curiosity about another culture is flattering but I would be careful of putting anyone on a pedestal, or just as easily throwing out persons you have not even met as being unworthy of you.. wtf?

 

Gosh my Husbands ex would eat you lot for breakfast. She is British but this has not stopped her from behaving how she does.

 

I have tended to read stuff on here as being mostly conjecture but I am beginning to get concerned about visiting the US. Why must you be so rude to each other? I think I may ask my new found family members to come visit me here.

 

In th UK you would run the risk of being sectioned for such irrational outbursts. Seriously, it is not attractive people!

 

Take care,

Eve xx

[Enchanted Girl]

I can fully understang geting sick of seeing people of a simular personality within say ones home Town. I cannot however envision extending this to a whole Country!!

 

Finding an accent attractive, or curiosity about another culture is flattering but I would be careful of putting anyone on a pedestal, or just as easily throwing out persons you have not even met as being unworthy of you.. wtf?

 

Gosh my Husbands ex would eat you lot for breakfast. She is British but this has not stopped her from behaving how she does.

 

I have tended to read stuff on here as being mostly conjecture but I am beginning to get concerned about visiting the US. Why must you be so rude to each other? I think I may ask my new found family members to come visit me here.

 

In th UK you would run the risk of being sectioned for such irrational outbursts. Seriously, it is not attractive people!

 

Take care,

Eve xx

 

I can understand you getting sick of the attitudes of one forum, but I can not however envision you extending this to an entire country.

[InceptorsRule]

I can fully understang geting sick of seeing people of a simular personality within say ones home Town. I cannot however envision extending this to a whole Country!!

 

Finding an accent attractive, or curiosity about another culture is flattering but I would be careful of putting anyone on a pedestal, or just as easily throwing out persons you have not even met as being unworthy of you.. wtf?

 

Gosh my Husbands ex would eat you lot for breakfast. She is British but this has not stopped her from behaving how she does.

 

I have tended to read stuff on here as being mostly conjecture but I am beginning to get concerned about visiting the US. Why must you be so rude to each other? I think I may ask my new found family members to come visit me here.

 

In th UK you would run the risk of being sectioned for such irrational outbursts. Seriously, it is not attractive people!

 

Take care,

Eve xx

 

 

Pass the bangers and mash, luv.

[Green]

I can fully understang geting sick of seeing people of a simular personality within say ones home Town. I cannot however envision extending this to a whole Country!!

 

Finding an accent attractive, or curiosity about another culture is flattering but I would be careful of putting anyone on a pedestal, or just as easily throwing out persons you have not even met as being unworthy of you.. wtf?

 

Gosh my Husbands ex would eat you lot for breakfast. She is British but this has not stopped her from behaving how she does.

 

I have tended to read stuff on here as being mostly conjecture but I am beginning to get concerned about visiting the US. Why must you be so rude to each other? I think I may ask my new found family members to come visit me here.

 

In th UK you would run the risk of being sectioned for such irrational outbursts. Seriously, it is not attractive people!

 

Take care,

Eve xx

 

As I wrote earlier the UK actualy has far less attractive women then we have in the US. As I walked the streets in the UK I found myself saying god most of these women are ugly.

 

But when you talk about U.S. Women vs. the World... unsuprisingly the world wins.

[silverfish]

As I wrote earlier the UK actualy has far less attractive women then we have in the US. As I walked the streets in the UK I found myself saying god most of these women are ugly.

 

But when you talk about U.S. Women vs. the World... unsuprisingly the world wins.

 

Hey, we have the answer then! It's great to see the warring US male / female factions united against the enemy attack

 

Frankly, Eve's right, you're all bonkers but it's sort of cute and funny. If I hadn't lost all my teeth I'd smile

[Enchanted Girl]

Hey, we have the answer then! It's great to see the warring US male / female factions united against the enemy attack

 

Frankly, Eve's right, you're all bonkers but it's sort of cute and funny. If I hadn't lost all my teeth I'd smile

 

Explain this to me . . .

 

Why exactly am I bonkers and/or irrational and/or emotional and/or mean (all of which I've been accused of in this thread) for defending myself against people insulting me?

 

I never understand it when someone goes around yelling insults at people and then when those people defend themselves going,"God! Don't take it so personally! You're just mean/emotional/insane."

 

It's not that I'm angry at your post. I can tell it wasn't malicious, it's just I don't get this.

 

Especially seeing that I've never made a thread on here insulting a group of people and if I did, I fully expect that group of people on this forum to be mad at me.

[Eve]

As I wrote earlier the UK actualy has far less attractive women then we have in the US. As I walked the streets in the UK I found myself saying god most of these women are ugly.

 

But when you talk about U.S. Women vs. the World... unsuprisingly the world wins.

 

Methinks you just like being outspoken and brash as is the stereotypical american tourist... but I know better than to taint others with this brush.

 

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.. not a postcode!

 

Take care,

Eve xx

[silverfish]

Explain this to me . . .

 

Why exactly am I bonkers and/or irrational and/or emotional and/or mean (all of which I've been accused of in this thread) for defending myself against people insulting me?

 

I never understand it when someone goes around yelling insults at people and then when those people defend themselves going,"God! Don't take it so personally! You're just mean/emotional/insane."

 

It's not that I'm angry at your post. I can tell it wasn't malicious, it's just I don't get this.

 

Especially seeing that I've never made a thread on here insulting a group of people and if I did, I fully expect that group of people on this forum to be mad at me.

 

I can only speak for myself, but it seems like if the OP was simply ignored in this and other threads the problem would go away. Honestly, I do find it bizarre that this kind of thread gets so much serious response, when the OP is just stirring the pot.

 

If I took Green's post seriously, and got into a long winded debate about British women, their lack of ugliness or whatever, then I would question myself somewhat, yes.

 

However, after careful consideration and a nice cup of PG, I took a long hard look in the mirror, tried not to vomit my toast and marmite up at my own reflection, and after picking up the pieces of broken glass, decided that it is in fact 'bonkers' to take this thread seriously.

[Eve]

I can only speak for myself, but it seems like if the OP was simply ignored in this and other threads the problem would go away. Honestly, I do find it bizarre that this kind of thread gets so much serious response, when the OP is just stirring the pot.

 

If I took Green's post seriously, and got into a long winded debate about British women, their lack of ugliness or whatever, then I would question myself somewhat, yes.

 

However, after careful consideration and a nice cup of PG, I took a long hard look in the mirror, tried not to vomit my toast and marmite up at my own reflection, and after picking up the pieces of broken glass, decided that it is in fact 'bonkers' to take this thread seriously.

 

 

I can't stop being sick at my reflection since being informed that I am so ugly. I must find a way to make Green find me attractive otherwise all is lost..

 

Please.. what nonsense.

 

The bangers and mash comment was pretty funny though..

 

Take care,

Eve xx

[silverfish]

I can't stop being sick at my reflection since being informed that I am so ugly. I must find a way to make Green find me attractive otherwise all is lost..

 

Please.. what nonsense.

 

The bangers and mash comment was pretty funny though..

 

Take care,

Eve xx

 

I know, I'm going to forgive him though, because frankly, I'm so hideous that even negative male attention makes me feel better.

 

Seriously though, Miss Piggy can be a total bitch and he's probably feeling vulnerable after his horrific experience in the UK.

 

I'll get me coat.....

[nddb]

Women are the same everywhere. If one culture attracts you, then naturally you think their women are "better." Some people are enamored with the US culture. Others are not.

 

I ended up marrying an Asian girl. The myth about Asian girls being subservient are just that--a myth. My wife doesn't put up with being ignored or taken for granted. But give her affection and love, and she's more than content to be in the supportive role and have me take the lead.

 

May be it's cultural but she doesn't get flustered with setbacks and always happy with whatever little we have. We used to be poor, and she was happy. We are now relatively well-off, and she's happy. She had said that if we go back to being poor, she'd be happy as long as we have our family. She's always the first to smile and lift me up when I'm down. Happy, content, and appreciative of efforts I put forth. Those are her best qualities.

 

I'm not saying that you can't find these qualities in women raised in the US culture. But I didn't when I was dating. And I dated a lot.

 

I also admit that it's nice that my wife is still thin and shapely. When we go out with friends of the same age, everyone seems to be wearing the middle-age spread on their waists, and she still has the girlish looks. Always feminine and a lady and make an effort to look pretty when I'm around, something else I'm very proud of to have her.

 

If something ever happens to her, I would never marry again. I don't think I'd be this lucky twice.

[zengirl]

No they don't. But several men here (Average Joe, Woggle, Green) look at women as the enemy.

 

Yes, this is what I find odd. Men constantly saying women hate and attack them . . . so they hate and attack women. Did you ever think that maybe these women don't see men as the enemy, but just men who say things like this.

 

It's like if I go up to someone, call them a bitch, and then say, "What? Why do you hate Women/Asians/Americans so much?" if they get upset.

 

They're actually talking about spoiled traditional women, not the new feminist types. Women who want everything done for them and want to just sit on their butts all day? Um, that's not a new feminist ideal and since men don't sit on their butts all day, it's not happening because women are trying to be more like men. It comes from those traditonal, shallow women who take care of only their appearance (to be super beautiful) and expect men to do everything else. And note, I said the shallow kind of traditonal woman because there's lots of traditional women who aren't this way. And who don't marry men based on how much they can help them sit on their asses (meaning rich men who will provide for them enough so they don't have to work.)

 

The ironic thing about this is that they keep blaming new feminist ideals over and over again, when those ideals are the one that go by the belief that women shouldn't be sitting on their butt and should be sharing the work with them. That we should be independent enough to take care of ourselves, so that men aren't taking care of us constantly. And they are offended by THAT and saying that THAT is what causes lazy women in modern day culture? Hmmm, I think not.

 

I don't know. I think you're thinking about it too hard. Maybe these men really hate washing the dishes. I can't make sense of it personally. Luckily, there are plenty of fellows who understand self-sufficiency in men and women.

 

Modern feminist women also condone cheating on their husbands and verbally abusing them constantly. They pretty much treat men like garbage but somehow they are supposed to be a good catch?

 

I've never heard this one from a feminist. I'm also quite sure there are some women, of ALL different views, in ALL modern societies where they can get away with it without undue punishment (i.e. being stoned for presumed adultery) that have cheated. Just as there are many different kinds of men that have cheated.

 

Most feminists would consider you a doormat and a slave to the patriarchy. You should hear the conversations two of my coworkers. It has pretty much ruined my trust in women.

 

This is silly. Listening to the inane ramblings on this board about women hasn't ruined my trust in men. I understand that there are mean, angry, bitter people in the world, and they come in all packages.

 

I've socialy interacted with many foreign and american women... I've also visualy observed many of both.

 

On avg foreign women are just NICER.

 

Also when you walk down the streets of Europe you see far more physicaly attractive women.

 

Really depends on what European country/city you're in. And what American state/city, I imagine. I find it amusing you still persist in lumping "foreign" or even "European" together (I promise in much of the Soviet Bloc, American men aren't going to be falling over the average woman as much as in L.A. based on looks alone), as though all the countries are the same. FWIW, I like European men, too. One of my LT exes was Greek and another was British. (Another was Korean, but that's not European either.) There are certain European countries where the men are much more physically attractive on average than America, too.

[Zed]

You know what the irony behind this whole thing is?

 

They're actually talking about spoiled traditional women, not the new feminist types. Women who want everything done for them and want to just sit on their butts all day? Um, that's not a new feminist ideal and since men don't sit on their butts all day, it's not happening because women are trying to be more like men. It comes from those traditonal, shallow women who take care of only their appearance (to be super beautiful) and expect men to do everything else. And note, I said the shallow kind of traditonal woman because there's lots of traditional women who aren't this way. And who don't marry men based on how much they can help them sit on their asses (meaning rich men who will provide for them enough so they don't have to work.)

 

The ironic thing about this is that they keep blaming new feminist ideals over and over again, when those ideals are the one that go by the belief that women shouldn't be sitting on their butt and should be sharing the work with them. That we should be independent enough to take care of ourselves, so that men aren't taking care of us constantly. And they are offended by THAT and saying that THAT is what causes lazy women in modern day culture? Hmmm, I think not.

 

Confirmation bias. It is quite easy to negate other evidence in order to support a purely subjective viewpoint, such as clumping whole groups of people into one seething entity of dysfunction. If American women are indeed these horrible banshees that are en masse making the lives of American men so excruciating, then who is to blame for the economy, the political and social climate in America--it must all be the women's fault and we are just holding all 150 million men or so in a black hole of never ending misery.

 

Oddly enough there is a pervasive global stereotype on the idiocy, gaucheness, and all around narrow-mindedness of Americans. A lot of European, Asian, and Latin cultures find Americans incredibly stupid--but then they clump both sexes together not just all these defective obese, ugly American women.

[Green]

As an american man traveling the world I must say women of the world really find us hot.

 

The most anti american sentiment I encountered was in France but even those women seemed extra friendly if you know what I mean.

 

Women in the US just get so fat at such a young age. When I went to grad school practicly all the woman were already fat and most were only in their 20's.

 

Seriously it is a culture of fat anoying women who have no respect.

 

I would love for it to change but wonder if it will.

 

Like I said the UK is about the only place I've travled where I saw ugly women on a regular basis. When I was in London most of the pretty women I would see were Indian... and even they were few and far between on the attractive scale... Don't even get me started on Dublin.

[Enchanted Girl]

I can only speak for myself, but it seems like if the OP was simply ignored in this and other threads the problem would go away. Honestly, I do find it bizarre that this kind of thread gets so much serious response, when the OP is just stirring the pot.

 

If I took Green's post seriously, and got into a long winded debate about British women, their lack of ugliness or whatever, then I would question myself somewhat, yes.

 

However, after careful consideration and a nice cup of PG, I took a long hard look in the mirror, tried not to vomit my toast and marmite up at my own reflection, and after picking up the pieces of broken glass, decided that it is in fact 'bonkers' to take this thread seriously.

 

I didn't defend Americans when he called them fat/ugly. That's a personal preference, who is attractive and who is not. But when he says we're all mean/rude/abusive people, yes, I am going to defend myself.

 

@zengirl: Yea, I don't leave this thread and go into the real world and punish decent guys for the way men act on this board because I know this board isn't a representation of all men in the world or all men in America or anything.

[Green]

I didn't defend Americans when he called them fat/ugly. That's a personal preference, who is attractive and who is not. But when he says we're all mean/rude/abusive people, yes, I am going to defend myself.

 

@zengirl: Yea, I don't leave this thread and go into the real world and punish decent guys for the way men act on this board because I know this board isn't a representation of all men in the world or all men in America or anything.

 

I'm not punished in the real world I have a really hot gf and your so called "decent" guys stare at me in awe because they wonder how I do so good with women. I tell them I just use comon sense and refuse to settle.

 

seriously though the european girls on this thread don't really argue with me and just say funny sht that cracks me up... I think Silverfish actualy helps make my point even though I remain firm that the UK has physicaly un apealing people at higher rates then the US

[Enchanted Girl]

I'm not punished in the real world I have a really hot gf and your so called "decent" guys stare at me in awe because they wonder how I do so good with women. I tell them I just use comon sense and refuse to settle.

 

seriously though the european girls on this thread don't really argue with me and just say funny sht that cracks me up... I think Silverfish actualy helps make my point even though I remain firm that the UK has physicaly un apealing people at higher rates then the US

 

Yea, but her point was also that the men here are *******s too. :laugh::laugh:

 

Which I also disagree with.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Enchanted Girl