U.S Women vs Foreign Women

[Green]

No they don't. But several men here (Average Joe, Woggle, Green) look at women as the enemy.

 

You think I look at women as enemies because I accept the reality of their nature? Interesting how you like to point the finger when I'm only trying to help and enlighten people that when it comes to U.S. Women vs pretty much ALL foreign women the foreign women win... .Now there are many US women and I don't date your avg woman... because your avg woman here in the US is unattractive on so many levels when compared to your avg European woman for example.

[Engadget]

I don't agree, at all.

 

However there are cultural differences, a woman from a man-dominated culture raised to believe that pleasing a man is their only goal in life will obviously be different from an independent American woman.

 

I think this is a load of hooey though. I've met American and non-American women who are selfish and prude.

[mr.dream merchant]

You think I look at women as enemies because I accept the reality of their nature? Interesting how you like to point the finger when I'm only trying to help and enlighten people that when it comes to U.S. Women vs pretty much ALL foreign women the foreign women win... .Now there are many US women and I don't date your avg woman... because your avg woman here in the US is unattractive on so many levels when compared to your avg European woman for example.

 

 

This is true. Compared to foreign women, most U.S. based women hold not even a candle light to them. On multiple levels. Weight, class, entitlement complex, rational..there's alot. Here in South Florida I get to interact with alot of women who aren't originally from the U.S. And what I've found is that they're generally more pleasant to be in the company of. They're very confident. They don't wear little to no clothing to be attractive. They're not as insecure, not as overweight, and their personalities are incredible. They don't expect everything to be handed to them like some U.S. women do. That's actually what I'm shooting for these days. Either an out of state or international woman. South Floridian/American women are just..tired and busted these days.

 

I had one take me out for Sushi and she actually payed. I could tell she wasn't doing it out of some form or fear of being judged, but because she genuinely wanted to treat me to lunch. It was like, an epiphany. Gave me hope that, even though she may not be a native to the U.S., there's actually some decent women out here in South Florida. And this chick was smoking hot, I mean ridiculously hot.

[Woggle]

Around here there are a lot of eastern european women and some women from latin countries who are here working for the summer and the difference in personality is just amazing. The ironic thing is that they would never in a million years put up with some of the stuff American woman do. Most of them would leave a man in a heartbeat if he cheated and would never touch a MM but they know how to treat a man that treats them well. They know how to have a true partnership with a man unlike many American women who throw away all their dignity over a MM and treat the faithful husband like garbage.

 

For the record these women are not looking for a man to support because most of them are getting their education and are working here to earn extra money.

[Zed]

Well if American women (despite a huge diversity in culture, race, and ethnicity) are the worst possible women in the world, what is the dilemma? Go forth to the foreign women who meet your standards and be done with it. Its quite simple.

 

Why post an inflammatory thread to bellyache about how horrible and useless American women are? What do you want American women to say-“you are right we should change—we aren’t worthy because we suck”—we’ll revert back to a 50’s style fantasy or what? What exactly do you want American Women who so many on this thread obviously loathe as beneath them in looks, weight, culture and outlook—what do you want us all to say?

[MrNate]

These threads have been getting worse and worse lately.

[Green]

I don't agree, at all.

 

However there are cultural differences, a woman from a man-dominated culture raised to believe that pleasing a man is their only goal in life will obviously be different from an independent American woman.

 

I think this is a load of hooey though. I've met American and non-American women who are selfish and prude.

 

have you been to Europe? I'm guessing you havn't

 

This is true. Compared to foreign women, most U.S. based women hold not even a candle light to them. On multiple levels. Weight, class, entitlement complex, rational..there's alot. Here in South Florida I get to interact with alot of women who aren't originally from the U.S. And what I've found is that they're generally more pleasant to be in the company of. They're very confident. They don't wear little to no clothing to be attractive. They're not as insecure, not as overweight, and their personalities are incredible. They don't expect everything to be handed to them like some U.S. women do. That's actually what I'm shooting for these days. Either an out of state or international woman. South Floridian/American women are just..tired and busted these days.

 

I had one take me out for Sushi and she actually payed. I could tell she wasn't doing it out of some form or fear of being judged, but because she genuinely wanted to treat me to lunch. It was like, an epiphany. Gave me hope that, even though she may not be a native to the U.S., there's actually some decent women out here in South Florida. And this chick was smoking hot, I mean ridiculously hot.

 

I couldn't agree more with you about Florida being one of the best states to meet down to earth american women in.

 

I also think that this country has SOOoo many women that if you look through all the crappy ones you will eventualy find a good one. Its just that over in other countries you don't have to look as hard.

 

Well if American women (despite a huge diversity in culture, race, and ethnicity) are the worst possible women in the world, what is the dilemma? Go forth to the foreign women who meet your standards and be done with it. Its quite simple.

 

Why post an inflammatory thread to bellyache about how horrible and useless American women are? What do you want American women to say-“you are right we should change—we aren’t worthy because we suck”—we’ll revert back to a 50’s style fantasy or what? What exactly do you want American Women who so many on this thread obviously loathe as beneath them in looks, weight, culture and outlook—what do you want us all to say?

 

There might be a huge diversity of people from all over the world in a place like LA or NYC but when you go into those places you find the vast majority of the women have shtty attitudes. Have you travled the world and seen for yourself how refreshing the change in attitude is... and how much more common beauty is over there??

 

These threads have been getting worse and worse lately.

 

You have no room to speak unless you've been to europe... obviously you have not

[marsle85]

:rolleyes:gag.

[Enchanted Girl]

Well if American women (despite a huge diversity in culture, race, and ethnicity) are the worst possible women in the world, what is the dilemma? Go forth to the foreign women who meet your standards and be done with it. Its quite simple.

 

Why post an inflammatory thread to bellyache about how horrible and useless American women are? What do you want American women to say-“you are right we should change—we aren’t worthy because we suck”—we’ll revert back to a 50’s style fantasy or what? What exactly do you want American Women who so many on this thread obviously loathe as beneath them in looks, weight, culture and outlook—what do you want us all to say?

 

You know what the irony behind this whole thing is?

 

They're actually talking about spoiled traditional women, not the new feminist types. Women who want everything done for them and want to just sit on their butts all day? Um, that's not a new feminist ideal and since men don't sit on their butts all day, it's not happening because women are trying to be more like men. It comes from those traditonal, shallow women who take care of only their appearance (to be super beautiful) and expect men to do everything else. And note, I said the shallow kind of traditonal woman because there's lots of traditional women who aren't this way. And who don't marry men based on how much they can help them sit on their asses (meaning rich men who will provide for them enough so they don't have to work.)

 

The ironic thing about this is that they keep blaming new feminist ideals over and over again, when those ideals are the one that go by the belief that women shouldn't be sitting on their butt and should be sharing the work with them. That we should be independent enough to take care of ourselves, so that men aren't taking care of us constantly. And they are offended by THAT and saying that THAT is what causes lazy women in modern day culture? Hmmm, I think not.

[Green]

You know what the irony behind this whole thing is?

 

They're actually talking about spoiled traditional women, not the new feminist types. Women who want everything done for them and want to just sit on their butts all day? Um, that's not a new feminist ideal and since men don't sit on their butts all day, it's not happening because women are trying to be more like men. It comes from those traditonal, shallow women who take care of only their appearance (to be super beautiful) and expect men to do everything else. And note, I said the shallow kind of traditonal woman because there's lots of traditional women who aren't this way. And who don't marry men based on how much they can help them sit on their asses (meaning rich men who will provide for them enough so they don't have to work.)

 

The ironic thing about this is that they keep blaming new feminist ideals over and over again, when those ideals are the one that go by the belief that women shouldn't be sitting on their butt and should be sharing the work with them. That we should be independent enough to take care of ourselves, so that men aren't taking care of us constantly. And they are offended by THAT and saying that THAT is what causes lazy women in modern day culture? Hmmm, I think not.

 

No I'm talking about people like you California girl

[Enchanted Girl]

I would say the OP expressed his idea in a rather inflammatory way. However, I agree with his basic idea at least to some extent. And, I kind of feel that the angry way many women responded may indicate that they are worried that there is some grain of truth here that they would rather not see.

 

This thread is about generalities and I want to re-emphasize right here that I'm not trying to say it applies to everyone.

 

I have no problem with a woman who genuinely wants to fulfill any role she might like, and is willing to pay the price. But, I do think that American women by and large have an unnecessarily competitive attitude. They are very fixated on proving they can do anything a man can do, and that men and women should be the same. This is something that has been playing out for decades now in our culture, the story of the brave woman who is held back by the patriarchy who has to set out and prove she can do anything a man can do.

 

I always want to say “Okay! I believe you! You can do anything a man can do. Now, can we get back to doing what really makes sense?”

 

Men and women are different. They are different in their abilities, and perhaps more importantly they are different in what they find attractive and important. These differences are only partly the result of upbringing, there is a core part to them that just cannot be changed.

 

A very key example of this is the attractiveness of career achievements. I think that most women find it attractive when a man is ambitious and achieves a lot in his career. I think the problem comes when these women assume that men will feel the same way about them. I personally don't feel that way. I don't really care what a woman's career achievements are beyond a certain minimum point. I think a lot of men are like that. They may say they are not. They may say that they find it attractive that a woman is successful, driven, and everything. But, they may just be saying that because it is socially expected in our society, and women come down hard on men who say the opposite, much as they have in this thread.

 

This can create a problem when a woman spends many years of her life working on a great career. She arrives in her 30s after working 80 hour weeks and wonders why men are not falling over themselves to date her. She feels cheated because she worked so hard and now men are not interested, or least not as interested as she thinks they should be. It's because men never cared about those things in the first place.

 

In past societies and in other countries the culture encouraged men and women to do what the opposite gender found attractive. I think that is where traditional gender roles came from, not from some desire to oppress and take advantage of the other. The reality is men and women are hardwired to find certain things attractive in each other, and for men that does not include career achievement or women trying to be their “equals”. You can get upset about it but you can't change what men are attracted to. Our culture got tangled up in this idea that it was “unfair” that women didn’t do the same things that men did. Women felt a huge sense of injustice and set out to prove they could. They are still not done proving that. Meanwhile the men are still looking on and wondering why the women want to do this in the first place.

 

Women, if it is truly important to you to do something in life then by all means do it. But, I would ask you to use a little bit of self reflection on your motives. Are you truly doing what you're doing because it fits you? Or, at a young age did you hear the idea that women must prove they are as good as men, and take that idea to heart? Did you set out to do something in the name of proving or creating equality, rather than because it really fit you as a person? Are you in the career and life path you are in because it's truly what you are called to do?

 

Women, if you could be more attractive to men by acting in a more traditional way, would you do it? Or, would you feel like you would rather be alone than have to conform to what men want, or that men should have to change what they want rather than you fulfilling that? Do you feel that way because it's really you, or because the culture and media send such a strong message that that's the way it should be?

 

Seriously, think about this. If you could be a “traditional” woman who did the things that such a woman does, and you could be very happy doing that with a great man that you really loved, would you choose such a life? Or would you prefer to be a single “sex in the city” woman who has an exciting career, or perhaps has a man but a man that is not as good as the man you could have gotten the other way?

 

I'm sure you will want to say that you shouldn't have to make such a choice, or that in fact you don't have to make such a choice and I'm just full of BS. Well, maybe so, maybe not. I think it would not hurt women to think about these things.

 

Scott

 

See, the underlined parts of your post to know what I mean when I say . . . . .

 

You find a woman being inferior to you to be attractive? =/ That's disturbing. I don't want a man to be beneath me. He should desire to be my equal and I'd never tell him that he was unattractive for trying to be so.

 

Also, what is attractive and what is not is largely based on culture. So are these really hot to you?

 

http://roadtickle.com/most-painful-cultural-beauty-practices/

 

Because they were/are considered very attractive in the cultures they come from.

[Enchanted Girl]

No I'm talking about people like you California girl

 

If all you can do is name call, then you know you've run out of logical defenses for your bad beliefs.

 

I'd rather debate using logic, please.

Edited August 14, 2010 by Enchanted Girl

[Green]

If all you can do is name call, then you know you've run out of logical defenses for your bad beliefs.

 

Please I'm all logic and it threatens you. I'm a man and I have seen for myself that on average foreign women are BETTER. I date a girl from this country and I gaurantee she is not your avg girl and was very hard to find.

[Enchanted Girl]

Please I'm all logic and it threatens you. I'm a man and I have seen for myself that on average foreign women are BETTER. I date a girl from this country and I gaurantee she is not your avg girl and was very hard to find.

 

How many foreign women have you dated exactly to "know" this?

 

Not to mention, how many American women have you dated to "know" this?

 

I mean, if it's a significant amount, like 20 from each country in the world, then I'll consider your opinion, but honestly, I'd say you'd have to date at least a couple thousand from each one of various ages for your survey to hold any actual weight in the scientific world.

[Woggle]

Modern feminist women also condone cheating on their husbands and verbally abusing them constantly. They pretty much treat men like garbage but somehow they are supposed to be a good catch?

[Enchanted Girl]

Modern feminist women also condone cheating on their husbands and verbally abusing them constantly. They pretty much treat men like garbage but somehow they are supposed to be a good catch?

 

No.

 

I am 100% against cheating and any kind of abuse. Also, none of the feminists on this forum ever argue for those methods to be used on men. If you see a feminist arguing for those things, I encourage you to debate them though and talk to them about how that's not real feminism and that they are doing a disservice to their own gender. There are abusive people within any group of people, but feminism is more about ending abuse than starting it up again in a different way.

 

And any woman who thinks that cheating on their husbands gives them power makes me furious. It ruins both their and their husbands lives to do those things.

[carhill]

Wogs, it's Saturday night; grab the wife and go out on a date. Forget this place. Seriously.

 

My best friend and I are RV camping near EWR over labor day. We'd like to take you out for a beer, Jersey-style. You up for that?

[Woggle]

No.

 

I am 100% against cheating and any kind of abuse. Also, none of the feminists on this forum ever argue for those methods to be used on men. If you see a feminist arguing for those things, I encourage you to debate them though and talk to them about how that's not real feminism and that they are doing a disservice to their own gender. There are abusive people within any group of people, but feminism is more about ending abuse than starting it up again in a different way.

 

And any woman who thinks that cheating on their husbands gives them power makes me furious. It ruins both their and their husbands lives to do those things.

 

Most feminists would consider you a doormat and a slave to the patriarchy. You should hear the conversations two of my coworkers. It has pretty much ruined my trust in women.

[Green]

How many foreign women have you dated exactly to "know" this?

 

Not to mention, how many American women have you dated to "know" this?

 

I mean, if it's a significant amount, like 20 from each country in the world, then I'll consider your opinion, but honestly, I'd say you'd have to date at least a couple thousand from each one of various ages for your survey to hold any actual weight in the scientific world.

 

Please if I state my opinion on wich toilet paper I like to wipe my ass with you'd tell me how unscientific I was blah blah blah.

 

I've encountered many more women then you can imagine on a social setting and I feel very strongly that U.S. Women on avg can't compare. Like I said I date a U.S. girl which makes sense because I live in the U.S. and the girl I date was by no means easy to find and extremely rare.

 

You're not a man so how can you even understand what we have to go through? You just get insulted and pertend you are logical and understand science... Please do you even understand how a car works?

 

Most feminists would consider you a doormat and a slave to the patriarchy. You should hear the conversations two of my coworkers. It has pretty much ruined my trust in women.

 

the fact that you ever had such naive child like trust in women always suprises me.

[Enchanted Girl]

Please if I state my opinion on wich toilet paper I like to wipe my ass with you'd tell me how unscientific I was blah blah blah.

 

I've encountered many more women then you can imagine on a social setting and I feel very strongly that U.S. Women on avg can't compare. Like I said I date a U.S. girl which makes sense because I live in the U.S. and the girl I date was by no means easy to find and extremely rare.

 

You're not a man so how can you even understand what we have to go through? You just get insulted and pertend you are logical and understand science... Please do you even understand how a car works?

 

No, I wouldn't.

 

I already posted this thread and I'm going to do it again: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t241577/

 

The problem with this thread and the responses to it is that it hasn't been about how much men enjoy foreign women (like that thread I linked to that was about how much the woman enjoyed asian men), it's about how much men hate American women. Huge difference. You're being very critical and stereotyping a group of people, not talking about a preference. I don't care if you have a preference.

 

The responses to this thread have been fairly negative. The responses to that thread have been fairly positive. There is a reason for this.

 

And knowing how a car works doesn't equal knowing science and logic.

 

People can know the ups and downs of logic and not know how a car works. It's irrelevant whether or not I know how cars work.

[AverageJoe]

No, I wouldn't.

 

I already posted this thread and I'm going to do it again: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t241577/

 

The problem with this thread and the responses to it is that it hasn't been about how much men enjoy foreign women (like that thread I linked to that was about how much the woman enjoyed asian men), it's about how much men hate American women. Huge difference. You're being very critical and stereotyping a group of people, not talking about a preference. I don't care if you have a preference.

 

The responses to this thread have been fairly negative. The responses to that thread have been fairly positive. There is a reason for this.

 

And knowing how a car works doesn't equal knowing science and logic.

 

People can know the ups and downs of logic and not know how a car works. It's irrelevant whether or not I know how cars work.

 

The negative responses to this post are by mostly women. Probably American women.

[Green]

No, I wouldn't.

 

I already posted this thread and I'm going to do it again: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t241577/

 

The problem with this thread and the responses to it is that it hasn't been about how much men enjoy foreign women (like that thread I linked to that was about how much the woman enjoyed asian men), it's about how much men hate American women. Huge difference. You're being very critical and stereotyping a group of people, not talking about a preference. I don't care if you have a preference.

 

The responses to this thread have been fairly negative. The responses to that thread have been fairly positive. There is a reason for this.

 

And knowing how a car works doesn't equal knowing science and logic.

 

People can know the ups and downs of logic and not know how a car works. It's irrelevant whether or not I know how cars work.

 

I'm just pointing out how ANOYING you are to talk about science and logic when I'm telling you about something I observed first hand. And you don't need to explain the difference between this thread and the other as I posted in it way more then you.

[Enchanted Girl]

The negative responses to this post are by mostly women. Probably American women.

 

So why aren't men offended by that thread of her preferring Asian men?

 

Oh, I know! It's because she didn't say American men were disgusting and horrible people!

 

So what if it's American women or not that have made most of the negative responses to this thread. This is a forum that's mostly going to be visited by Americans after all. XD

[Enchanted Girl]

I'm just pointing out how ANOYING you are to talk about science and logic when I'm telling you about something I observed first hand. And you don't need to explain the difference between this thread and the other as I posted in it way more then you.

 

So my observations as an American woman don't count as first hand experience, only yours do? Who do you think would know more about what it's like to be an American woman and what we believe? An American woman or someone who isn't an American woman?

[Green]

So my observations as an American woman don't count as first hand experience, only yours do? Who do you think would know more about what it's like to be an American woman and what we believe? An American woman or someone who isn't an American woman?

 

well I can tell you missed the entire point of the thread