U.S Women vs Foreign Women

[AverageJoe]

There is something I am considering giving up, and that is this. Dating American bred women. I have talked recently about this with many who know me and I am beginning to consider giving up on American women.

 

I am starting to think that the women here in the U.S. are bitches. Mouthy bitches that chunk up and butch their hair off after you get with them. Who boss you around and tell us how equal they are. Trying to remind you of all the advantages and benefits of having a vagina with none of the responsibility. Being told you have two hands you can do it yourself, or you have one hand you can do it yourself.

 

I find foreign women have a different attitude towards men. Their mothers and grandmothers please their man with pride. They don’t get all caught up in proving they are equal. They understand there are male roles and female roles.

 

By the way im not being critical of you if that’s what you like. If you want to be a pussy and be told what to do then come home to an empty house every other night, then live it up. American girls are for you! Women who have babies and say they don’t need a man around, then afterwards they have babies and can’t figure out why they can’t find a man.

 

Im thinking I like gals from other countries. The cultures are completely different, I think I like it. I’m not talking about mail order brides or trips to Thailand im talking about women who grew up with different culture. I am sadly beginning to grow a distaste for our female culture in this country.

 

The first gaI I went out with from another country was from England, eastern decent, she had been here nine years and I met her at a concert oddly enough. I was AMAZED, I could not beleive it. She took care of me like no other women ever has. Was this a fluke?

 

The second was from El Salvador, she had been here about fourteen years. She was the one that coined the phrase for me that I wrote earlier, American women are bitches. All they want to do is take, she said. She would do anything to make me happy, and that made her happy. She was criticized by her peers for it.

 

There have been a couple of more, but one even put toothpaste on my toothbrush and had it waiting for me. That blew me away! That was very over the top for me and a tad uncomfortable but the gesture told me volumes. I am a self sufficient man that takes complete care of myself with no complaints, but the contrast I experienced really surprised me. I still love, love, love American women, but this is something I am considering.

 

Gentlemen, have you had any experience in this area?

 

Discuss.

[Enchanted Girl]

I just hope you're showing these women the same kind of consideration and care.

 

Anyway, you know how stereotypes work . . . . they are just stereotypes. There's lots of American women I've met who are the same way, but they are usually religious.

 

I actually think America is full of both varieties of people more than other countries are.

[stellaluna]

Never been my experience that every chick in this country is a bitch. Some are but you filter them out. maybe you are placing too much emphasis on what a girl looks like and not looking at thier inner core before you actually get involved with them. first impressions are important if a girl shows me signs of selfishness or she talks about herself non stop the first date I don't go out with her again.

 

In my opinion I like a girl that speaks her mind. I couldn't imagine spending my life with someone that is never going to challenge me. I wouldn't ever want to date a girl that put toothpaste on my toothbrush in the morning because thats creepy.

 

I have no respect for a girl that is subservient to me. It turns me off. I don't want to be the center of their world I want them to have their own life and thoughts and opinions.

[Lady vs Panda]

On behalf of all the American women, in-country and expatriate, the world over:

Phew.

[AverageJoe]

I just hope you're showing these women the same kind of consideration and care.

 

 

Of course I have, respect is earned not given and made sure they were treated in kind.

[Citizen Erased]

Yeah, we're pretty cool.

 

There's bitches everywhere, no matter the culture.

[carhill]

OP, since I've done this in the past, I'll share a bit of experience. Women are women everywhere. Expanding your horizons perhaps increases the opportunity to meet a *compatible* woman, but labeling them does only a disservice to yourself. Yes, specific woman can be 'b!tches', but they are individuals, not a society. Go to any country on this planet and you will find them.

 

My question to you is, if these women you have been with from other countries (sounds like you dated them here in the US if that is where you live) have treated you so well, why didn't one of them become your wife? It sounds like you found some really compatible ladies.

 

Since your post starts with 'starting to think American women are b!tches' and ends with 'I still love, love, love American women', color me

 

In any event, good luck. If you haven't done so, try dating the ladies in their home countries. Great experience

[ViciousViolet]

If those are the only type of American women you are meeting...time to start picking them a little better, eh?

[Woggle]

Foreign women. They don't have the misandrist qualities that many American women have.

[AverageJoe]

If those are the only type of American women you are meeting...time to start picking them a little better, eh?

 

Wow, got this response faster than expected. Well played violet.

 

Some of you are reading into it much more than need be. I do not want a subserviant women. I also am not looking for marriage.

 

I am speaking in general terms. I never said all American women. Jesus Christ some of you have thin skin.

Look at it as a 'science experiment'.

[lso802]

In my opinion I like a girl that speaks her mind. I couldn't imagine spending my life with someone that is never going to challenge me. I wouldn't ever want to date a girl that put toothpaste on my toothbrush in the morning because thats creepy.

 

I'm with you. I'd want a girl who will call me out, when she disagrees with something I say or do. I don't know about the toothpaste thing though.

[Lorelai]

There have been a couple of more, but one even put toothpaste on my toothbrush and had it waiting for me. That blew me away! That was very over the top for me and a tad uncomfortable but the gesture told me volumes.

 

I'm glad you did feel that was a little over the top -- either that, or it was a comment on your dental hygiene , so I'd go with over the top myself....

[zengirl]

Are you presuming that you can lump all the women of other countries together and they have more in common with each other than they do with American women? Because that's absurd.

 

I know women from various South American countries (Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Brazil, Peru), Mexico, Costa Rica, Cuba, Russia, the UK, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, Japan, Korea, China, New Zealand, Ireland, France, Greece, and Canada. . . and am friends with women from all of these countries, as I'm an expat abroad. It's absurd to think these cultures are in any way more similar to each other than many of them are to America.

 

It sounds like you want women with more archaic/traditional (pick your word based on your views) ideas. These people exist in other countries and in America (though some countries force women to have these views, some families are more likely to have them, and America is a very free country where nobody has to be brought up believing such things), and women who think otherwise and assert themselves in ways you dislike exist in many of the other countries in the world, certainly all the Western ones and even in many Asian countries and South American countries.

 

Korean girls, for instance; traditionally, they have much more archaic views, but the higher you get in income, the more assertive, educated, and independent the women get. I live in a neighborhood where everyone in the current generations (my mother's age, my age, the kids) view gender basically like forward thinking places in America. This is not true everywhere in Korea, of course. Just as it's not actually true everywhere in America.

 

So, basically, you have absurdly generalized the world.

[Enchanted Girl]

Foreign women. They don't have the misandrist qualities that many American women have.

 

Oh, so you're admitting that there are some women who aren't just completely evil now?

 

:laugh:

[brainygirl]

troll post

[that girl]

The first gaI I went out with from another country was from England, eastern decent, she had been here nine years and I met her at a concert oddly enough. I was AMAZED, I could not beleive it. She took care of me like no other women ever has. Was this a fluke?

 

I find this kind of funny since many UK men who have woman issues will claim that UK women are terrible and you should look for someone from a country like Latvia or Thailand (notice how the countries with the good women are usually very poor?)

 

The OP lists all these things women do for him, but not what he does for them. That rings some alarm bells for me.

 

I've known a lot of very sweet traditional US girls who genuinely want to be stay at home wives and mothers with a husband who does the more traditional things. The thing is, none of them fall into sexual relationships easily and several waited until marriage. But I notice the OP was woman hoping, so I doubt he really wants a traditional woman. What he seems to want is a servant who is constantly sexually available.

 

I know women from various South American countries (Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Brazil, Peru), Mexico, Costa Rica, Cuba, Russia, the UK, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, Japan, Korea, China, New Zealand, Ireland, France, Greece, and Canada. . . and am friends with women from all of these countries, as I'm an expat abroad. It's absurd to think these cultures are in any way more similar to each other than many of them are to America.

Cosigned. Only someone who has little international experience or an ability to process what he sees would group women from Europe, Latin America and Asia together. There is huge diversity on each of those continents never mind across them. But it is an easy excuse to say all women from [insert country] are bitches.

[carhill]

troll post

It's funny how life works. Your post caused me to go back and read one particular thread that Joe started many years ago, one where porn featured prominently in a breakup. While the subject matter was perhaps similar to what we seem to always read on LS on that subject, the facet which surprised me, pleasantly, was the decorum with which the topic was being discussed.

 

No trolling here, IMO.

 

Maybe it is time for a change

[Enchanted Girl]

I've known a lot of very sweet traditional US girls who genuinely want to be stay at home wives and mothers with a husband who does the more traditional things. The thing is, none of them fall into sexual relationships easily and several waited until marriage. But I notice the OP was woman hoping, so I doubt he really wants a traditional woman. What he seems to want is a servant who is constantly sexually available.

 

You know, I think you're right. After I read carhill's post, along with yours, I read AverageJoe's threads that he made, which were about looking at pornography, how he isn't done having fun and doesn't want to support a woman, how he should maybe pursue married women (women with rings on their fingers) in a relationship . . . . Those aren't really topics that men interested in a traditional relationship would be discussing online.

[zengirl]

Originally Posted by that girl

I've known a lot of very sweet traditional US girls who genuinely want to be stay at home wives and mothers with a husband who does the more traditional things. The thing is, none of them fall into sexual relationships easily and several waited until marriage. But I notice the OP was woman hoping, so I doubt he really wants a traditional woman. What he seems to want is a servant who is constantly sexually available.

 

Now, in a non-Westernized country, it is easier to find a traditional woman who is naive enough to believe men who sleep with her will marry her after (She might also have some relatives to enforce this ) AND who misses a lot of the signals an English-speaking gal would pick up because of a language difference. The UK gal wouldn't fit into this though.

 

This is part of why many creepy weirdos can sometimes do well in Korea. But then the Korean girl gets jilted, society gets mad, and some people begin to form new resentments towards foreign men (which is unfortunate to the good foreigners here) and create all sorts of interesting little bubbles of hostility. Which foreign men then put off to jealousy (maybe some of it is, but most of it is more big-brother syndrome, as most of he fellows who get angry about this have known a Korean gal who was treated badly by a foreigner in my experience). It's mildly fascinating.

[brainygirl]

It's funny how life works. Your post caused me to go back and read one particular thread that Joe started many years ago, one where porn featured prominently in a breakup. While the subject matter was perhaps similar to what we seem to always read on LS on that subject, the facet which surprised me, pleasantly, was the decorum with which the topic was being discussed.

 

No trolling here, IMO.

 

Maybe it is time for a change

 

I feel that he posted his original post in oder to illicit a response from the women on the board; who, predictably, have come out to tell him how wrong he is.

 

But, opinions are like armpits . . . . .

[AverageJoe]

Actually brainy if you read close enough you would have noticed my post was geared to illicit more male response.

 

This is fascinating to me more than anything. The responses from some so far are tales in themselves. Attack the message and not the substance. Once again, point out in my post where I said all women.

 

I think there must be some code among females and others that says if you critisize women you are bitter, a misogynist, angry, been burned, or something of the sort. I happen to disagree with that. You are welcome to judge me on snap shots of posts I have made in the past, including this one. I dont mind.

 

The fact remains in the personal expereince I have had there is a stark contrast in cultural differences. However, the first thing I get is ad hominem attacts for pointing out this difference and a bunch of emotional women stamping their little feet in disgust. Which is ironic because it is making my point for me.

[carhill]

I feel that he posted his original post in oder to illicit a response from the women on the board; who, predictably, have come out to tell him how wrong he is.

His examples are from personal experience, and the pattern seems to match up with his postings, though relatively few, over the last five years. I might not agree with his viewpoint (note my prior posts here) but presenting a viewpoint for discussion is a far different dynamic than trolling to rile up the women-folk. Unfortunately, language has changed somewhat over the years.

 

OP, relevant question: Since you've used the modifier 'bred' wrt American vs foreign, have you had occasion to date American-bred ex-pat women in other countries, or, foreign-bred women in their own country, for purposes of this 'science experiment'? If not, perhaps your subject variety is not sufficiently diverse. Planes are leaving every day

[Enchanted Girl]

Actually brainy if you read close enough you would have noticed my post was geared to illicit more male response.

 

This is fascinating to me more than anything. The responses from some so far are tales in themselves. Attack the message and not the substance. Once again, point out in my post where I said all women.

 

I think there must be some code among females and others that says if you critisize women you are bitter, a misogynist, angry, been burned, or something of the sort. I happen to disagree with that. You are welcome to judge me on snap shots of posts I have made in the past, including this one. I dont mind.

 

The fact remains in the personal expereince I have had there is a stark contrast in cultural differences. However, the first thing I get is ad hominem attacts for pointing out this difference and a bunch of emotional women stamping their little feet in disgust. Which is ironic because it is making my point for me.

 

Because we don't bow down and agree with everything you say, we're out of control, crazy women? We're not allowed to defend ourselves or we're evil? If I made a thread about how American men were a bunch of *******s, then I fully expect all the American men on here to get angry at me or try to defend themselves. And they aren't doing anything out of the ordinary for doing so or being overemotional.

 

"Little feet" and "emotional women" is a sexist way to make women with a legitimate argument look stupid. Please debate them as if they are your equals and actually address their posts instead of saying,"LOL, you women are all overemotional and you just proved it."

 

Anyway, no one likes their genders/nationalities/groups to be criticized as a whole. If you had made this thread about how you had met some nice foreign women and not mentioned anything about American women at all, you'd have gotten the responses you were looking for. It would be a bunch of stories of people who agreed with you and liked foreign people as well.

 

Example being this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t241577/

 

Most of the responses have been fairly positive because she didn't actually criticize anyone, just talked about her love of asian men.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

There is something I am considering giving up, and that is this. Dating American bred women. I have talked recently about this with many who know me and I am beginning to consider giving up on American women.

 

I am starting to think that the women here in the U.S. are bitches. Mouthy bitches that chunk up and butch their hair off after you get with them. Who boss you around and tell us how equal they are. Trying to remind you of all the advantages and benefits of having a vagina with none of the responsibility. Being told you have two hands you can do it yourself, or you have one hand you can do it yourself.

 

I find foreign women have a different attitude towards men. Their mothers and grandmothers please their man with pride. They don’t get all caught up in proving they are equal. They understand there are male roles and female roles.

 

By the way im not being critical of you if that’s what you like. If you want to be a pussy and be told what to do then come home to an empty house every other night, then live it up. American girls are for you! Women who have babies and say they don’t need a man around, then afterwards they have babies and can’t figure out why they can’t find a man.

 

Im thinking I like gals from other countries. The cultures are completely different, I think I like it. I’m not talking about mail order brides or trips to Thailand im talking about women who grew up with different culture. I am sadly beginning to grow a distaste for our female culture in this country.

 

The first gaI I went out with from another country was from England, eastern decent, she had been here nine years and I met her at a concert oddly enough. I was AMAZED, I could not beleive it. She took care of me like no other women ever has. Was this a fluke?

 

The second was from El Salvador, she had been here about fourteen years. She was the one that coined the phrase for me that I wrote earlier, American women are bitches. All they want to do is take, she said. She would do anything to make me happy, and that made her happy. She was criticized by her peers for it.

 

There have been a couple of more, but one even put toothpaste on my toothbrush and had it waiting for me. That blew me away! That was very over the top for me and a tad uncomfortable but the gesture told me volumes. I am a self sufficient man that takes complete care of myself with no complaints, but the contrast I experienced really surprised me. I still love, love, love American women, but this is something I am considering.

 

Gentlemen, have you had any experience in this area?

 

Discuss.

 

Im an American women and I love to take care of my guy I cook I clean I do his wash but that said im not his servant he helps out as well when I ask. It should be a give and take that said my sister in law is the total opposite.

 

Their house was always filthily I mean FILTHILY they thew their dishes away when the mold started to grow and she rarely if ever cooked a meal. There are home minded American women out there you just have to be pashent to find one.

[that girl]

This is talking about all American women. At no point do you use a qualifier like "some" or "many."

I am starting to think that the women here in the U.S. are bitches. Mouthy bitches that chunk up and butch their hair off after you get with them. Who boss you around and tell us how equal they are. Trying to remind you of all the advantages and benefits of having a vagina with none of the responsibility. Being told you have two hands you can do it yourself, or you have one hand you can do it yourself.

 

 

Obviously you are trying to pit American women against "foreign" women in some kind of cage match. Which is ridiculous since there are roughly 150 million women in the US from a variety of racial, ethnic, religious and geographic backgrounds. And "foreign" is an even more preposterous category, grouping together thousands of linguistic and ethnic groups on multiple continents.

 

And for all that, you don't seem like a catch at all. You talk about what women do for you, with no mention of what you bring to the table. Your spelling and grammar suggest low intelligence. You aren't looking for a long term committed relationship. You have a problem with porn. You are immoral enough to consider intentionally going after married women.

 

I think American women will be fine without you.