Rhythmic Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 That's funny because I'm enjoying myself. I always got a troll where I want him when he's responding to my posts. It means they're getting to him, especially the more he insults me. My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? Be what way? A troll? I'm genuinely completely unsure of what you are talking about now.
Rhythmic Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Be what way? A troll? I'm genuinely completely unsure of what you are talking about now. So the other day I was at a garage sale in my neighborhood(no pack rat) .. it was an elderly lady's house, so nothing special was there. Maybe an old treadmill. Some old porn mags from the 40's- 50's... the rest was a bunch of junk really. UNTIL!~ I was walking around the corner of the place where they had some stuff layed out on the side of the house.. I got this real creepy feeling. The hair stood up on the back of my neck and everything.. I have no clue why I felt like this, until I glanced over and saw this creepy old bear stuffed animal sitting there. I bert starred hard when I first saw it. I JUST HAD TO HAVE IT! IDK WHY??? So I bought the damn thing for .50 cents. (along with the porn mags) Then later I was talking to the milf next door and I told her how I bought the doll and how it felt creepy just looking at it. She mentioned to me that the owners of the house had a daughter who had drowned in the river behind their house in the 60's ... She was about 7.
SassyKitten Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Speaking as a reformed fat girl..... Changing a lifestyle, especially if it has been habit for years, is freaking hard! Once the lifestyle is changed, losing weight is easy and keeping it off is easy. I spent so much time dieting and regaining weight, untill I came to the realisation that if I live like a skinny person I will probably become one. Skinny people still eat chocolate among other unhealthy foods, but in moderation. That said, I could never date a fat guy, unless he was actively in the process of losing weight. I know that sounds shallow at first, but the mindtrap of having been fat once myself is so depressing that I really find it hard to relate to someone in that mindtrap. It's not vanity, it's health, just like I wouldn't date an alcoholic.
Knittress Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Careful about calling people exhibiting obviously troll-like behavior trolls. You might think you're stating the obvious, but the mods won't likely see it that way.
zengirl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 You know what, I'll just admit it. For me, it is vanity. Or attraction at least. I don't really care how it looks. I just don't dig the extra weight. (And frankly, as a twig myself, there are practical considerations.) I've dated guys who ate McDonalds. I've never dated a fat guy. Just 'cause you look thin doesn't mean you're healthy. I've been thin and healthy and thin and unhealthy, and nobody knew the darn difference and gave me a lecture. I really don't see why people should go around giving bigger folks health lectures! Let them be. Nobody says you have to date them. <<<<This part is not directed at you, SassyKitten. I was just feeding off your post about the vanity; I'll fully admit the way in which I'm, personally, shallow here.
paddington bear Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Sigh. My point was: Why, if it is sooo easy to lose weight, are obesity rates rocketing? So telling fat women that they look fat and unattractive and that they should do something about it is kind of silly. They know already and they've probably tried countless times. I mean look at Oprah for instance, you cannot say that she has not tried to do something about her weight. She has. Many times. If it was as easy as going on a diet and then you lose the weight and are thin forever, then there would be no overweight people. The 'just get off your fat butt and do something' attitude doesn't help. Most people have tried to do just that and are frustrated and still fat. It is the fat must equal lazy assumption and just because you are fat does not mean you are lazy. In the States particularly, I think it is so easy to put on weight very fast, due to (depending where you are) to reliance on cars to get everywhere, due to absolutely massive portions of food served in restaurants, due to free refills of soda.
zengirl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Sigh. My point was: Why, if it is sooo easy to lose weight, are obesity rates rocketing? So telling fat women that they look fat and unattractive and that they should do something about it is kind of silly. They know already and they've probably tried countless times. I mean look at Oprah for instance, you cannot say that she has not tried to do something about her weight. She has. Many times. If it was as easy as going on a diet and then you lose the weight and are thin forever, then there would be no overweight people. The 'just get off your fat butt and do something' attitude doesn't help. Most people have tried to do just that and are frustrated and still fat. It is the fat must equal lazy assumption and just because you are fat does not mean you are lazy. In the States particularly, I think it is so easy to put on weight very fast, due to (depending where you are) to reliance on cars to get everywhere, due to absolutely massive portions of food served in restaurants, due to free refills of soda. You're right. It is a lifestyle thing (to be healthy regardless of weight), and the U.S. makes it harder, rather than easier. I'm not saying we can blame the U.S. I've not been large, but I've been unhealthy, and that's my fault when it happened. . . but where I lived in the U.S. certainly made it more challenging to be healthy than living abroad. And it doesn't have to be. People need to change their lifestyles. But the country could afford to change its countrystyle/lifestyle too.
TaurusTerp Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Sigh. My point was: Why, if it is sooo easy to lose weight, are obesity rates rocketing? So telling fat women that they look fat and unattractive and that they should do something about it is kind of silly. They know already and they've probably tried countless times. I mean look at Oprah for instance, you cannot say that she has not tried to do something about her weight. She has. Many times. If it was as easy as going on a diet and then you lose the weight and are thin forever, then there would be no overweight people. The 'just get off your fat butt and do something' attitude doesn't help. Most people have tried to do just that and are frustrated and still fat. It is the fat must equal lazy assumption and just because you are fat does not mean you are lazy. In the States particularly, I think it is so easy to put on weight very fast, due to (depending where you are) to reliance on cars to get everywhere, due to absolutely massive portions of food served in restaurants, due to free refills of soda. Obesity rates skyrocket because people are lazy. You're not thin forever, you have to maintain it. It doesn't matter one iota if you're frustrated, or you tried "really hard". You haven't tried hard enough. Yes, we have cars and big portions and soda refills. How about not eating all the food and not drinking all the soda? Have some g-d willpower.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Sigh. My point was: Why, if it is sooo easy to lose weight, are obesity rates rocketing? So telling fat women that they look fat and unattractive and that they should do something about it is kind of silly. They know already and they've probably tried countless times. I mean look at Oprah for instance, you cannot say that she has not tried to do something about her weight. She has. Many times. If it was as easy as going on a diet and then you lose the weight and are thin forever, then there would be no overweight people. The 'just get off your fat butt and do something' attitude doesn't help. Most people have tried to do just that and are frustrated and still fat. It is the fat must equal lazy assumption and just because you are fat does not mean you are lazy. In the States particularly, I think it is so easy to put on weight very fast, due to (depending where you are) to reliance on cars to get everywhere, due to absolutely massive portions of food served in restaurants, due to free refills of soda. I agree with you. People just think that something that's easy for them to do has to obviously be easy for everyone else to do as well. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs at all. I've never done them at all and I've never had a desire to. If I wanted to be a jerk, I could tell all those people addicted to all those things that it's easy not to do them and that I have no problem with avoiding them, but it wouldn't be productive in any way, shape, or form. I don't know. It seems ridiculously blown out of proportion is my point. I'm not justifying people being fat when I say this. I think it's a fault someone has when they are fat and an addiction, but everyone has faults and things they struggle with and I honestly don't go up to all those people and think they are inferior human beings because of it. I really don't get why people focus on this fault as if it's worse than all the others. Because this fault isn't just focused on when it comes to dating. It's focused on in all areas that involve other people: jobs, friendships, family, etc. People are very obsessed with it and it makes them very angry. In my opinion, the reason people get this angry about this fault and not other faults is because they are shallow.
cookie2 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I can only say what I have personally experienced... Both of my long term relationships were with fat chicks. It's not that I am particularly attracted to that; I did find them attractive but I regarded the weight as a minor flaw. Both times when they have moved in with me, they have wanted to lose weight... not because I forced them to, but because they wanted to, mainly for health reasons. So both times I was a perfect partner supporting them in what they were doing. I gave up many of the things I love so they wouldn't have to watch me eat them. I gave support when they were down, I did everything I could. And they both successfully lost a LOT of weight. My STBXW went from 22st to 12st, an amazing achievement. She looked fantastic and I was over the moon. And you know what... they both had affairs. Funny that. The confidence boost they got when they were suddenly getting a lot more attention from males was too much for them to handle, and they decided they'd rather go on a bender with some loser than stick with their loving rock of stability. For this reason I will not be dating any more overweight women. It's nothing personal, it's not that I'm repulsed or that I think they are inferior. It's just that at some point they will probably want to lose weight. And when they do, they change.
paddington bear Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I agree with you. People just think that something that's easy for them to do has to obviously be easy for everyone else to do as well. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs at all. I've never done them at all and I've never had a desire to. If I wanted to be a jerk, I could tell all those people addicted to all those things that it's easy not to do them and that I have no problem with avoiding them, but it wouldn't be productive in any way, shape, or form. I don't know. It seems ridiculously blown out of proportion is my point. I'm not justifying people being fat when I say this. I think it's a fault someone has when they are fat and an addiction, but everyone has faults and things they struggle with and I honestly don't go up to all those people and think they are inferior human beings because of it. I really don't get why people focus on this fault as if it's worse than all the others. Because this fault isn't just focused on when it comes to dating. It's focused on in all areas that involve other people: jobs, friendships, family, etc. People are very obsessed with it and it makes them very angry. In my opinion, the reason people get this angry about this fault and not other faults is because they are shallow. Agree with this. I'm not sure where the anger comes from...it's weird, it's like being obese or overweight is a personal insult to some people. I remember working in a small town in Mississippi (which I'm sure I have spelled wrong) and the police stopped me and a colleague as we walked from our hotel to the nearest restaurant. Everyone drove everywhere, there was no possibility to get anywhere without a car, without a car you were simply stuck, so everyone had to drive pretty much, so walking to get from A to B was seen as a suspicious activity and we were stopped and questioned. IMO when walking is seen as suspicious things have gone crazy. That what should be natural and normal is twisted into being abnormal. Driving is normal but making exercise part of your day is weird? Crazy. Obviously this was only in this place...but I've been in other parts of the States and the lack of public transport and reliance on having to drive everywhere really doesn't help people simply integrate exercise into their daily routine, so then it becomes a 'have to do' chore, and if something is a chore, you don't really want to be doing it. Obviously it is not just America where there is a problem, and yes, agreed you need to say no to the soda refill etc. However, were there no soda refill in the first place, people's willpower would not constantly be tested, same thing if the portions were smaller. It doesn't help that there is the subtle message to eat and drink more and more while at the same time the message to be super skinny.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Let me further illustrate my point about why I think people are shallow and not preoccupied with the health aspect of being overweight and are just using that as a cover for their shallowness. I'm going to illustrate my point using some real world examples that you all can look at and read yourself. I happen to have two different shows that I love. The show "weeds" and the show "huge." Huge is a show that sympathizes with fat people. It's about a fat camp and all the actors are overweight. Weeds is a show about selling marijuana. It's about drug addicts and glamorizes people with drug addictions. Both people who are fat and people with drug addictions are destroying their bodies, but if you look at the official forums for both shows: HUGE: http://abcfamily.go.com/shows/huge/boards?cat=454314 WEEDS: http://www.sho.com/site/message/boards.do?groupid=1505 Every other thread on the "Huge" forum is about how fat people are sickening and how the show is disgusting for sympathizing with them. There are no threads about how doing drugs is bad and that they shouldn't be glamorizing destroying your body through addiction in the "Weeds" forum. Remember, I said I liked both shows and I'm not criticizing either one, but I would think that if people were really so pre-occupied with health, that there would be at least as many people posting about how offensive weeds was as there would be people posting how offensive huge is. People treat fat people like they're special freaks. That their addiction is worse than everyone else's and it's a lot based on their looks. Again, I am not justifying being overweight, but I think people overreact to this fault and hold it above all others. They decide that everyone with that fault should be hated and unloved and that they deserve it for being lazy. A lot of other faults people consider bad, but not the point they consider fat being bad. And then when anyone defends those people, the way those people all justify themselves is by calling that person a fatty and then sitting in groups giggling to one another about it. Edited July 28, 2010 by Enchanted Girl
Author JadedHeart Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) I have a friend who's over weight. She's one of the only two friend girls that I have. *Because being just friends with a girl you find sexually attractive is for chumps and whimps* She's a whale, yet her personality is awesome. Not only that but I find I can speak to her on my intellectual level as well. She can't get a boy friend.. why is that? I showed you 15 reasons why men don't like you. If I never exposed her to the truth do you think she ever would have figured it out? If she hasn't figured it out by now, then I wouldn't bet on it. I helped her out and my intention is to help other members of this forum. If you take that as being conceited then that's cool too. My intentions aren't to bash people on their lifestyles, eating habits, etc... Look people can argue about it day and night. The simple truth is... You either do it or you do not. No amount of words mean anything. When I first joined this site I was emotionally weak, socially unintelligent, extremely introverted, beta nice guy, the list goes on... I was luckily shown the truth, in the same manner I'm showing you right now. Because of that I became a completely different person. If my friends would have said, but you're such a nice guy don't worry you'll find someone that you're compatible with. Aww don't worry one day she'll realize what a catch you are! HELL NO, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere with that kinda support. My friends showed me the TRUTH. Girls don't like nice guys because they don't respect you. Girls aren't sexually attracted to men with beta tendencies. Learn how to be a great conversationalist, read the subtle signs of body language, etc... I'm a completely different person than when I first posted on this forum getting over my first heartbreak. I just think sometimes this forum is actually detrimental towards others. I don't care what anyone posts on this thread, I didn't create it for discussion. I personally don't give a damn if you're with or against me. My friend is losing weight, men are starting to notice her and actually speaking to her. All because I kept to reality. This makes me happy. Maybe you female posters should post some threads on what makes certain characteristics that men exhibit repulsive? I'm sure we could learn a lot. I bet you that'll help exponentially more than sitting there giving empathy to the boys on this site. Bottom line, everyone is in control of their own life. Blaming society and making excuses is crap. Keep telling the fatties in your life that, and see if they'll ever lose weight. Edited July 28, 2010 by JadedHeart
MrNate Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Well it's just all coming out on the table, now is it? haha. People, you can achieve the body type you want if you are willing to put in the work. Big girls are a no-go for me, because I work out and keep my body strong. And In addition, I want to be the bigger one in the relationship, yeah, that could be seen as vain, but I see that (in my eyes) as being the man. If you want someone who will accept your size, go out and find them, they are definitely out there. Good luck to all.
zengirl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Man, nobody learned anything from your post. It is not news that larger girls have trouble getting dates. Maybe you female posters should post some threads on what makes certain characteristics that men exhibit repulsive? I'm sure we could learn a lot. DEFINITELY ON THE LIST Can't stop randomly complaining about fat girls/people for no reason.
Author JadedHeart Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 Man, nobody learned anything from your post. It is not news that larger girls have trouble getting dates. DEFINITELY ON THE LIST Can't stop randomly complaining about fat girls/people for no reason. My post gave 15 damn good reasons why men don't like fat chicks. Maybe if they knew why, then they would be informed. It's also not news that women don't like nice guys. What if someone wrote a post on exactly why? Don't you think men would benefit from knowing? Where am I complaining in my post for no rhyme or reason? This was an informative thread, my goal was to inform. Although it's not my fault if you're too dense to comprehend what I'm writing. One of my friends have already benefited from this. She was fat for the longest time because of people like you. What's wrong with telling people you have a choice? Either you can slim down or shut up.
zengirl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 My post gave 15 damn good reasons why men don't like fat chicks. Maybe if they knew why, then they would be informed. It's also not news that women don't like nice guys. What if someone wrote a post on exactly why? Don't you think men would benefit from knowing? Where am I complaining in my post for no rhyme or reason? This was an informative thread, my goal was to inform. Although it's not my fault if you're too dense to comprehend what I'm writing. One of my friends have already benefited from this. She was fat for the longest time because of people like you. What's wrong with telling people you have a choice? Either you can slim down or shut up. They weren't talking. Why are you telling them to shut up? That's going on the list. I don't see how I'm keeping folks fat. I also don't see how anything in your list was news to anyone who hasn't been living under a rock somewhere. As information: You fail. I'm not saying folks shouldn't/can't lose weight. (I do think it's poor form to go around berating them for being overweight. And I do think it's unhelpful to act like it's the same for everybody, because it discourages those who have to work extra hard and aren't seeing results.) You're just ranting, insulting people, and parading it as "information." That's going on the list too. DEFINITELY ON THE LIST *Can't stop randomly complaining about fat girls/people for no reason. *Telling people who aren't talking to "shut up." Actually, anyone over the age of 18 who tells people to "shut up" (sincerely) has some issues. *Ranting, insulting people, and parading it as "information" (aka Breaking the Thumper Rule: "If you don't have something nice to say. . . " well, you know the rest.)
Enchanted Girl Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) I agree with zengirl. I also think you should stop taking credit for your friend losing weight when she's the one doing all the work for it. Society already tells fat people they are disgusting. You have changed no one by re-stating it. You have informed no one by re-stating it. People are still fat out there even though there is more than one thread in this board about how people should stop being fat. Your thread idea isn't even a new one for this forum let alone society. As I showed with my links. If someone made a thread here about how fat they were and said,"Why don't I get any dates?" I promise you that everyone wouldn't respond by sympathizing with them as you claim everyone does. Edited July 28, 2010 by Enchanted Girl
paddington bear Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 this thread has become seriously funny now. Zengirl, liking the ever-increasing adding to your list (which reminds me, please don't put anything I say on the list) I have a feeling that the OP is getting a serious kick about helping his friend 'see the light', which is fine and if his friend is happy then fine too. But going on and on about it in a 'see that girl, she used to be really fat until I helped her, she'd still be just some saggy bag if I hadn't revealed to her that strangely, many people do not like obese girls, and that she should lose weight. She was amazed by this revelation, having never thought of the concept before, and it was only when I shared this little gem of insider information did she realise that losing weight might help her dating life'. Being serious, I'm sure she was glad of the support, but if you are going to help, give it without thinking of yourself as some weightloss messiah,and like she was some project of yours. Also, honestly, whether it be weight, mental attitude or some other perceived fault or inadequacy, it is flawed psychology to point out all the negative aspects of in this case, being fat. People need encouragement to change, not a list of 15 reasons why they are not good enough. That alone would actually make me feel so bad that I just wouldn't bother, rather than jolting me into some kind of action to make a change.
zengirl Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) OMG, Zengirl. Can I high-five you? Absolutely. High five! Also, honestly, whether it be weight, mental attitude or some other perceived fault or inadequacy, it is flawed psychology to point out all the negative aspects of in this case, being fat. People need encouragement to change, not a list of 15 reasons why they are not good enough. That alone would actually make me feel so bad that I just wouldn't bother, rather than jolting me into some kind of action to make a change. Word to that. I'm not going to judge all overweight people in one fell swoop or even say much about that, but I think this is a good statement in general. You know what the best way to change people's behavior is? Well, me neither, really, but I know what it isn't: Criticizing them. I see this in the classroom every day. When I criticize a kid, I'm not helping them. When I encourage them, I am. That's as true in life as it is in a Kindergarten classroom. I guess folks should buy a Dale Carnegie book or something if they didn't learn it naturally. It's not like people are all that different from kids. If I give a kid, 15 Reasons Why You Fail and Nobody Likes You, they're not going to react that differently than if I give their parent the same thing (I'd never dream of it, or even think like that, naturally). Edited July 29, 2010 by zengirl
sarah1268 Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Wow I totally agree with this video, sometimes people need to be harsh. I have heaps of male friends who say some of those exact same thing about girls. For example my mate started going out with this skinny chick and when later behind her back hes like omg she ate more then me tonight, She better not get fat! And he was dead serious. Note girls, always eat less then your partner! haha And also there is a double standard, guys can put on a bit of weight and you cant tell, girls do the same and its heaps more obvious....
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