Crenshaw Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 I must admit that when I was in my 20s, a guy driving a flashy/expensive car probably would've caught my eye. At the time, I would've have associated that with success, security, stability, status, etc. or a combination of such "desirable" traits. Now I'm older and much, much wiser. When I see a guy driving a flashy/expensive car, I think "Yeah, nice car. I wonder how much they still owe on it." Seriously, an honest, hardworking guy driving a no frills pick-up truck is enough.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 This cracks me up. There is very little difference between what I say and what I do. The issue is if a fellow takes what one gal says and try to apply it to another gal. When I give relationship advice to my friends, I usually try to take into consideration their audience -- it's some basic common sense to try to put yourself in the other person's POV. Not trying to start anything here with you, but it just seems like women (or even men in some cases) here take their viewpoints and try to apply it to women (or men) in general? Not just in this thread, but in several threads in recent memory. It seems that when some folks read something that doesn't jive well with them because it paints their gender in a negative light, they will go on the offensive and insist that because they themselves are different, that all of their gender are just like them...it's not a very effective argument against stereotypes...
Pyro Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Not trying to start anything here with you, but it just seems like women (or even men in some cases) here take their viewpoints and try to apply it to women (or men) in general? Not just in this thread, but in several threads in recent memory. It seems that when some folks read something that doesn't jive well with them because it paints their gender in a negative light, they will go on the offensive and insist that because they themselves are different, that all of their gender are just like them...it's not a very effective argument against stereotypes... for someone this wise and you have trouble picking out a bathing suit?
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 for someone this wise and you have trouble picking out a bathing suit? I don't know you anymore.
zengirl Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Not trying to start anything here with you, but it just seems like women (or even men in some cases) here take their viewpoints and try to apply it to women (or men) in general? Not just in this thread, but in several threads in recent memory. It seems that when some folks read something that doesn't jive well with them because it paints their gender in a negative light, they will go on the offensive and insist that because they themselves are different, that all of their gender are just like them...it's not a very effective argument against stereotypes... Your argument is very strange to me. The original "stereotype" is an assumption that a gender is one way (a gender the folks assuming aren't even part of!) and yet my assertion that plenty of folks aren't that way. . . is more ludicrous? I don't assume all women are just like me (as I mentioned in my post, some women will like other things, including the things I despise), but the original post title assumes "All" women like this, as do many of the comments, including the one I quoted. That's what I'm commenting on. I think I even said, in the same post, that some women will dig cars like that. I just think it's foolish to assume all women will because I know for a fact they won't, being a woman who doesn't.
Green Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 an expert on the matter I see. You're an expert farter I'm sure Not trying to start anything here with you, but it just seems like women (or even men in some cases) here take their viewpoints and try to apply it to women (or men) in general? Not just in this thread, but in several threads in recent memory. It seems that when some folks read something that doesn't jive well with them because it paints their gender in a negative light, they will go on the offensive and insist that because they themselves are different, that all of their gender are just like them...it's not a very effective argument against stereotypes... Personaly I would take what you said a step farther and say that the woman who argue the hardest against "the effect of a nice car" are most likely to be swayed by it. No one is claiming that a nice car makes women lose all reason... just that it has an effect on women.
Green Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Your argument is very strange to me. The original "stereotype" is an assumption that a gender is one way (a gender the folks assuming aren't even part of!) and yet my assertion that plenty of folks aren't that way. . . is more ludicrous? I don't assume all women are just like me (as I mentioned in my post, some women will like other things, including the things I despise), but the original post title assumes "All" women like this, as do many of the comments, including the one I quoted. That's what I'm commenting on. I think I even said, in the same post, that some women will dig cars like that. I just think it's foolish to assume all women will because I know for a fact they won't, being a woman who doesn't. What ever zengirl seriously I could make and break you at will if I wanted to... The world is the way it is stop trying to control things with your ludicrous logic
Choboto Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 this is one of those things girls really do do/want, but cant because its "socially wrong". Women are usually hypocrits when it comes to socially wrong matters. From my experience.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Your argument is very strange to me. The original "stereotype" is an assumption that a gender is one way (a gender the folks assuming aren't even part of!) and yet my assertion that plenty of folks aren't that way. . . is more ludicrous? I don't assume all women are just like me (as I mentioned in my post, some women will like other things, including the things I despise), but the original post title assumes "All" women like this, as do many of the comments, including the one I quoted. That's what I'm commenting on. Actually, my comments were in response to the bolded sentence in your post that I quoted...I have not been a very active participant in this thread, so it wasn't really meant to encompass the views in this thread...it was more of a sidebar than anything else. "The issue is if a fellow takes what one gal says and try to apply it to another gal." And I responded that I have slight issue with a woman who takes what she says/thinks and tries to apply it to all women...as if she were trying to debunk a stereotype... And of course terms implying absolutes (e.g., all women, the entire female gender, etc.) are used but certainly aren't meant to convey an absolute...we are simply arguing semantics there...stereotypes will often use those absolute terms (such as all women like nice cars), but in reality, it isn't meant to encompass all women or even a vast majority...but a reasonably high enough proportion to create that expectation in society...which is pretty much what a stereotype is...
Green Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Actually, my comments were in response to the bolded sentence in your post that I quoted...I have not been a very active participant in this thread, so it wasn't really meant to encompass the views in this thread...it was more of a sidebar than anything else. "The issue is if a fellow takes what one gal says and try to apply it to another gal." And I responded that I have slight issue with a woman who takes what she says/thinks and tries to apply it to all women...as if she were trying to debunk a stereotype... And of course terms implying absolutes (e.g., all women, the entire female gender, etc.) are used but certainly aren't meant to convey an absolute...we are simply arguing semantics there...stereotypes will often use those absolute terms (such as all women like nice cars), but in reality, it isn't meant to encompass all women or even a vast majority...but a reasonably high enough proportion to create that expectation in society...which is pretty much what a stereotype is... The fact that you waste your time trying to explain to her. Seriosly entertains me. thanks
Enchanted Girl Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Personaly I would take what you said a step farther and say that the woman who argue the hardest against "the effect of a nice car" are most likely to be swayed by it. No one is claiming that a nice car makes women lose all reason... just that it has an effect on women. Oh, I forgot that when people argue with other people that they are all actually agreeing with them. It's like how all people who say no to me really mean yes.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 I think I even said, in the same post, that some women will dig cars like that. I just think it's foolish to assume all women will because I know for a fact they won't, being a woman who doesn't. This must have been an edit while I was formulating my previous response... Foolish because you'd be personally offended if someone assumed you liked nice cars...? Or foolish for some other reason...? In general (not targetting you here), I don't quite understand why people seem to get personally offended by stereotypes...I mean, if it's true and applies to you, then ok...if it isn't true or doesn't apply for you, then it doesn't...it just seems to reflect insecurity and shows that you value yourself based on what others think of you or perceive you to be based on stereotypes...
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 The fact that you waste your time trying to explain to her. Seriosly entertains me. thanks I do what I can, Green...I do what I can...
Enchanted Girl Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Actually, my comments were in response to the bolded sentence in your post that I quoted...I have not been a very active participant in this thread, so it wasn't really meant to encompass the views in this thread...it was more of a sidebar than anything else. "The issue is if a fellow takes what one gal says and try to apply it to another gal." And I responded that I have slight issue with a woman who takes what she says/thinks and tries to apply it to all women...as if she were trying to debunk a stereotype... And of course terms implying absolutes (e.g., all women, the entire female gender, etc.) are used but certainly aren't meant to convey an absolute...we are simply arguing semantics there...stereotypes will often use those absolute terms (such as all women like nice cars), but in reality, it isn't meant to encompass all women or even a vast majority...but a reasonably high enough proportion to create that expectation in society...which is pretty much what a stereotype is... No one here was trying to disprove a stereotype by saying that all women didn't do something. We all agree that at least some do. And what's so hard about saying "a lot of women" versus "all women"? I don't agree that the majority of women do this either. Just because I think some do, doesn't mean I think the majority do.
zengirl Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 "The issue is if a fellow takes what one gal says and try to apply it to another gal." And I responded that I have slight issue with a woman who takes what she says/thinks and tries to apply it to all women...as if she were trying to debunk a stereotype... How am I trying to apply anything to all women? Or all men? I don't know any girls who care that much about cars. I'm unaware of a statistical, scientifically done survey on the matter. I don't think anyone can even safely say the majority do. So, to me, this stereotype isn't just unrealistic as representing "all" -- it seems realistic as representing "most." That's certainly way less insulting that seeing posts that say "Women are blahblahblah" or "Men are blahblahblah" when you know plenty who aren't any such way. To me: Stereotypes are created by the limited, internal view of unhealthy people who require them to explain and live their day-to-day life.
Pyro Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 What ever zengirl seriously I could make and break you at will if I wanted to... The world is the way it is stop trying to control things with your ludicrous logic if you can't even debate with logical responses then don't even comment at all. You are one of those type that would argue just so you can hear yourself speak.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 No one here was trying to disprove a stereotype by saying that all women didn't do something. We all agree that at least some do. Very good. Again, my post was really just a sidebar in the everlasting gender war of LS... And what's so hard about saying "a lot of women" versus "all women"? And I'd ask the same question of someone who wrote 'u' instead of 'you'... But seriously though...of course saying "all" will convey a stronger stance than "most," "a lot," or even "some." Obviously folks who advance stereotypes will want to convey the strongest position with their viewpoints...saying that "all women" think a particular way... I don't agree that the majority of women do this either. Just because I think some do, doesn't mean I think the majority do. Right. But just because you think some don't, doesn't mean the majority doesn't...
Pyro Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Not all guys with ferraris are macho asses....In fact, Most are geeky guys that worked hard to sell the latest computer invention.... Take that same guy driving a volvo and the girls won't give him a second thought. Why would a girl fart around with a dude that drives a 1999 Mercury with fake Ferrari side slats stuck on the doors with 3-M adhesive when she could have a swingin good time with a nice guy in a bad-ass Ferrari and hang out at his condo in Malibu? come on!. Well then explain why I had no trouble when I had two different Ford tauruses and a Chevy Cobalt?
D-Lish Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 You're an expert farter I'm sure I'd really like a break down designating what makes someone an expert in this field:laugh:. Does it require years of schooling?
Engadget Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Anyone who cares much about materialistic things is not worthy of being spoken to.
Pyro Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Anyone who cares much about materialistic things is not worthy of being spoken to. and there we have it. The voice of reason.
Engadget Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 and there we have it. The voice of reason. The fact that anyone doesn't see things as we do disgusts me. It seriously makes me despise people.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 How am I trying to apply anything to all women? Or all men? If you look back, you'll see that none of my comments were actually directed at you or any of your views towards women and fancy cars...I am generally very careful with my wording and speak in general, vague, and extremely wishy washy terms in order to avoid undue future prosecution... I don't know any girls who care that much about cars. I'm unaware of a statistical, scientifically done survey on the matter. I don't think anyone can even safely say the majority do. So, to me, this stereotype isn't just unrealistic as representing "all" -- it seems realistic as representing "most." That's certainly way less insulting that seeing posts that say "Women are blahblahblah" or "Men are blahblahblah" when you know plenty who aren't any such way. Of course, all v. most...it's just semantics... To me: Stereotypes are created by the limited, internal view of unhealthy people who require them to explain and live their day-to-day life. You just defined religion... But seriously though, couldn't stereotypes also have developed from a series of repeated experiences by a population of people under similar conditions as to create an expectation for future similar experiences?
Pyro Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 The fact that anyone doesn't see things as we do disgusts me. It seriously makes me despise people. well we are at a message board where many bitter and broken hearts gather. I just don't want the bitter ones here convincing anyone that the male population are nothing but women hating crybabies.
USMCHokie Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Well then explain why I had no trouble when I had two different Ford tauruses and a Chevy Cobalt? And when the Buick Lacrosse came, you hit the jackpot.
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