Shakz Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I know, but wonder if that's all it is with some of these people. I'm sure there's thousands upon thousands of things theat are forbidden in their interpretation the bible, yet they fixate on the gay thing. Actually, it is a type of fixation that goes back to the very early days of Christianity, even though Christ himself is not quoted in the Gospels as having been either for or against the practice. The idea is that homosexuality represents an extreme form of concupiscence, often described as second only to bestiality in it's soul corrupting power. Modern Christian attitudes reflect that tradition for the most part. However, some sects, such as many Anglican communities, base their acceptance of homosexuality on a reconstruction of the first chapter of St. Paul's Epistile to the Romans. My personal view is that Paul is decrying the forms of pagan pedastry prevalent in the Roman world, and especially in Greece, and not necessarily same-sex relations generally. I find this particularly ironic given the current pedophile scandals sweeping the Catholic Church and to a lesser degree in other denominations.
bayouboi Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 You are just choosing to believe it is about your God for your own reasons, whatever those reasons may be. No I was born this way.
sally4sara Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 No I was born this way. That is a wonderfully rational and unbiased response.
gamma1 Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Your first sentence should be qualified with "that I know of". As to your second point, I have no doubt that by the time someone has chosen to be homosexual that they show different brain activity than normal people..."nurture" or stimuli tends to have this altering effect. "It's very likely theat there is a gay gene or something of that nature." is a FAR cry from actual scientific evidence, so this declaration is, at present, entirely unfounded. Of course "that I know of", but really do you think every single gay person I know would completey leave that out? I highly doubt any of them were abused as a child. Also, I've never seen any study that links childhood absue to being gay. The structure of the brain of gay men often looks similar to that of the structure of a straight woman. There's no way stimuli can account for all of these differences. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html Every gay person I know that's told me said they were born that way. This agrees with the scientific studies. I expect that as were learn more about the human genome that it's very likely there will be something found deep within the genes.
bayouboi Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Vitriol? There was no vitriol. Vitriol implies anger. I'm not angry. On the contrary. You gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that. You're welcome ^_^. We both seem to do a good job of amusing one another.
xxoo Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Your first sentence should be qualified with "that I know of". . bay, how many of your hetero friends have been victims of sexual abuse "that you know of"? Sadly, sexual abuse is shockingly common in the histories of gay and straight people alike
xxoo Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Every gay person I know that's told me said they were born that way. +1 For the anecdata, same goes for every straight person I know
bayouboi Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I find the cake-eating to be delicious. The anti-Christian crowd clings to evolution as "proof" against creationism. Yet, even though there is no evolutionary benefit of homosexuality, they claim "nature" as the cause. Here's my thing, if you don't think homosexuality is a sin and if you don't even believe in God, why do you even care to make a point one way or another? What does it even matter what someone else thinks contrary to your own beliefs?
sally4sara Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I find the cake-eating to be delicious. The anti-Christian crowd clings to evolution as "proof" against creationism. Yet, even though there is no evolutionary benefit of homosexuality, they claim "nature" as the cause. Here's my thing, if you don't think homosexuality is a sin and if you don't even believe in God, why do you even care to make a point one way or another? What does it even matter what someone else thinks contrary to your own beliefs? And yet more rational and unbiased input! Christians are so lucky to have you representing them today. If there was no evolutionary benefit for homosexuality, the instance of it would have long died out. Doubly so because gay people are less likely to reproduce of their own genetics - yet nature has seen fit to keep it in the mix. Even two straight people can produce a gay child. Just because the reason for it isn't clear to you, it does not imply there is no evolutionary benefit.
xxoo Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I find the cake-eating to be delicious. The anti-Christian crowd clings to evolution as "proof" against creationism. Yet, even though there is no evolutionary benefit of homosexuality, they claim "nature" as the cause. If you care to learn, there are many theories to explain the possible evolutionary benefits of homosexuality. Here's my thing, if you don't think homosexuality is a sin and if you don't even believe in God, why do you even care to make a point one way or another? What does it even matter what someone else thinks contrary to your own beliefs? That one is easy. I don't care what you think. I only care what people do, ie: discriminate and inflict hurt.
bayouboi Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 That one is easy. I don't care what you think. I only care what people do, ie: discriminate and inflict hurt. I agree with you, I don't think that homosexuals should be discriminated against nor inflicted with hurt. I would love to be "enlightened" about all of the evolutionary benefits of homosexuality.
sally4sara Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I agree with you, I don't think that homosexuals should be discriminated against nor inflicted with hurt. I would love to be "enlightened" about all of the evolutionary benefits of homosexuality. Clearly you have internet access; look it up yourself. The quick break down is that in smaller tribal settings where homosexuality isn't demonized, researchers discovered that the homosexuals of the group gave benefit to the group at large by not having their own children and thereby invested more time to stockpiling resources, caring for children or their relatives, and filling in the lack of communication between the two genders to reach a better understanding for their hetero counterparts. In other instances where there was a lack of females for the male population, the group would suffer through loss of members by way of their competing for the limited supply of females sometimes to their death. Homosexual members help stem the aggression and competition element. In short, they kept the peace by servicing un-partnered males of the group.
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Is homosexual, or was? Because if he IS homosexual, then his mom trying to "lead" him to be otherwise just didn't work, did it? Which would prove the point. ---------------------- I was reflecting to when he was a pre-schooler.. Now he is nine.. And no - he will Not be homosexual.
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 No one can "take" a child from his mother unless said mother was proven unfit. I'm sure you heard about the grandfather from this unfit mom. --------------------- The man who is now 40 And homosexual and Was taken from the mother .. How can I Not believe the stories of abuse.. The woman (mother) has a good head on her shoulders and very successfully raised four other children. This man - (as well as my mother and my aunts) would be the first to tell you that they should have been raised by their mothers. You obviously have no idea what goes on in the real world .. and you know Nothing about the Oppressed.
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 A HA HA HA HAAAA! There is NO WAY you could tell whether or not he was predestined to be homosexual as a preschooler. ------------------- Oh yes I do.. Sin doesn't just happen.
reservoirdog1 Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I would love to be "enlightened" about all of the evolutionary benefits of homosexuality. Beats me if there are any evolutionary benefits. However, in my view, the greatest arguments that homosexuality is an inborn trait are: 1. It's practiced among many animal species. Ducks, dolphins, monkeys, penguins, etc. To no apparent evolutionary or biological benefit that I'm aware of. 2. Homosexuality has existed at all in places like Nazi Germany, where the commission of homosexual acts was punishable not just with teasing or ostracism, but death. Why take that risk just because something "feels good", when there were legal means of experiencing the same thing (namely, hetero sex)? 2.
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 LMFAOROTF!!!!!! :lmao: You are SO damn funny! I've worked in criminal justice for over 25 years. I think I know a thing or two about "the real world" and "the oppressed." I have also spent time overseas in the military and lived in many parts of the country and worked alongside people from many different cultures. ) ----------------------- Who cares .. Obviously it didn't help you to reach any kind of understanding.. You know - the same ones on here who fight for 'gay rights' - are the same as those who believe in abortion (baby killing) .. Keep your 'choice' .. But God does have the last word .. believe it ..
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Ah, but you are a mere human who chose to label whatever some unknowing, innocent preschooler did as "sin" when it was more likely just curiosity. So judgmental. Why would we need God anyway? We have you! --------------------- He was a preschooler .. and as such .. I have always felt what he was doing was just cute and Innocent.. He is just a child!! But I do respect that his mother has expressed that she mindful of her brother - when she raises her son.
califnan Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Funny. You did just a few minutes ago. Now THAT is amusing coming from a judgmental person. "Understanding." ------------------- Don't care about your background .. and I was talking about the Oppressed.
GorillaTheater Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 Yeah. There aren't ANY people like that in the criminal justice system. I sent 'em to prison anyways. I think homosexuality, like alot of other things, includes a bit of genetic propensity as well as a bit of choice. Can't say that I really see that it matters, though.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I think you both need a nice little Jesus fish --> }0 <--- now play nice lol...
torranceshipman Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 UNBELIEVABLE that people think you can choose to be gay. Being gay is completely natural - as natural as being heterosexual - God made lots of people gay and lots of people straight-that is why there are millions of gay people in the world. End of story. Now if you think you are wiser than God and can tell him a thing or 2 about what is natural, defying the existence of millions of gay people that are already living here on earth, then you go ahead, but I'm a little too humble and God fearing to do that myself Why the heck are people so obsessed with this anyway? Why be so desperately judgmental over others in a way that actually harms their safety and happiness? Discrimination is wrong, period.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 You have a nice day, too, STM! Oh I shall donna I shall I agree by the way! Try not to let intolerance stress you cause maybe its like some have said here and Jesus will have the last judgement after all so its all good.
torranceshipman Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 --------------------- The man who is now 40 And homosexual and Was taken from the mother .. How can I Not believe the stories of abuse.. The woman (mother) has a good head on her shoulders and very successfully raised four other children. This man - (as well as my mother and my aunts) would be the first to tell you that they should have been raised by their mothers. You obviously have no idea what goes on in the real world .. and you know Nothing about the Oppressed. Why do so many parts of this story have capitals? This story you tell about abuse is very sad, but it is one story, nothing more. There are millions of homosexuals in the world who have always known they were gay, and have enjoyed a long gay life dating other gay people To suggest that gays are gay because someone abused them is fairly horrific. I appreciate that your story of abuse was sad, it happened, and it affected the guy in a bad way, but remember it is ONE story. It does NOT represent the world. Just as the story of an abused heterosexual woman cannot be generalized to also apply to me, simply because I also am a heterosexual woman. And I am a teacher and have seen many cases of abuse, and I know what goes on in that big, bad world out there. I also know how many kids have had their hearts broken when their parents didn't accept them for who they were after telling them they were, in fact, gay. Or the bullying and being beat up that a lot of gay kids have to live with. That breaks a young person, and every disapproving look, stare and comment by others about how being gay is wrong simply sticks the boot in and twists the knife even more. People simply don't understand the damage that one of these comments can do. Do you seriously want to stick the boot in to a kid who might be reading this? I bet you are not really that kind of person.
bayouboi Posted July 14, 2010 Posted July 14, 2010 I know you do. And I wasn't stressin' hon. Actually, it's interesting dismantling some of the "business" that gets spouted on LS. As if I speak from a standpoint of not having any "life experience" and haven't worked closely with any of "the oppressed" in my profession. There's no "dismantling" going on from either side. Your side has its beliefs that won't be convinced otherwise & our side has its beliefs that won't be convinced otherwise. Just because a few like-minded individuals gave you a couple e-hifives doesn't mean you "won" anything.
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