tincanman99 Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 I didnt know that men chasing young women made you a pedophile and a creep? Is it a new law ? Last time I looked men of any age have been chasing young women since the beginning of time. So let me understand something, if you are an older women ie. the cougar and you want young guys - THATS COOL! But if you are an older guy and want young women you are a creep and pedophile. Is that how it works. As for 18 being a teenager, the last time I looked at 17 you can join the Marines, go through boot camp, be taught how to fire a weapon and be sent to Iraq to be shot at insurgents. Get a grip. Frankly who cares who she marries, she will marry many more times before she is 40. Bet on it.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 And here comes all the spin about older men chasing "younger" women and the b/s jealousy card. There's something seriously wrong when a 31 year old pursues an 18 year old. It's even worse when a 31 year old pursues a teenager. We're not talking about a 25 year old woman who's mature enough to figure out a guy's emotional, manipulative crap. As far as Megan Fox is concerned, she's absolutely stunning and I don't resent her for it at all. There are a lot of wild rumours around for her purported plastic surgeries and unless these surgeries were done when she was a teenager, I'm unconvinced they did happen since there are any number of high school pics of her floating around. I saw her in a couple of interviews a few years ago and while she's articulate, she's wasn't very mature for her age. Extrapolating backwards to when she was 18, I can't imagine her being able to handle a 31 year old predatory guy. On the otherhand, perhaps she used him at 18 to give herself a leg up in the movie industry. If so and it's a mutual use relationship, then they deserve each other.
Citizen Erased Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 If this marriage lasts 2 years I will be very surprised. But it has nothing to do with their ages, just the environment they're in. Not to mention she is a lot more famous than him, that doesn't seem to make these little Hollywood relationships last, they're all so ego driven.
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 And here comes all the spin about older men chasing "younger" women and the b/s jealousy card. There's something seriously wrong when a 31 year old pursues an 18 year old. It's even worse when a 31 year old pursues a teenager. We're not talking about a 25 year old woman who's mature enough to figure out a guy's emotional, manipulative crap. As far as Megan Fox is concerned, she's absolutely stunning and I don't resent her for it at all. There are a lot of wild rumours around for her purported plastic surgeries and unless these surgeries were done when she was a teenager, I'm unconvinced they did happen since there are any number of high school pics of her floating around. I saw her in a couple of interviews a few years ago and while she's articulate, she's wasn't very mature for her age. Extrapolating backwards to when she was 18, I can't imagine her being able to handle a 31 year old predatory guy. On the otherhand, perhaps she used him at 18 to give herself a leg up in the movie industry. If so and it's a mutual use relationship, then they deserve each other. Maybe you deserve a predatory guy because you seem to hate them so much I say it borders on lust. To bad all the young girls get them, that really must make you jelouse. By the way you are the only one in this thread with SPIN. If this marriage lasts 2 years I will be very surprised. But it has nothing to do with their ages, just the environment they're in. Not to mention she is a lot more famous than him, that doesn't seem to make these little Hollywood relationships last, they're all so ego driven. I see people with this age differnce and bigger in great relationships. I'm close friends with a couple who is the exact same age difference and they are engaged to be married. Holleywood mariages NEVER seem to work out.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Maybe you deserve a predatory guy because you seem to hate them so much I say it borders on lust. To bad all the young girls get them, that really must make you jelouse. By the way you are the only one in this thread with SPIN.I'm trying to figure out why you're making this personal, about me. As a purported early twenties guy, what would you know about being an 18 year old girl or being with a 31 year old man? For that matter, you've had what, one relationship in your entire life? As far as experiencing predatory older men, yes, I recall it as a teenager and young adult. At the time, anyone older than five years was creepy.
sumdude Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) To each their own I say. I have a friend I've known since I was four years old. His father is a WWII vet who married after he finished active duty. I think his dad was in his late 30's early 40's when he married... a 19 year old greek girl. They are still married and raised two children. I imagine it's at times difficult for his wife since he's now about 90 and very frail yet she is still vibrant in comparison. Still from all appearances they have had and still have a good marriage. Seems a bit judgmental to assume that any man who courts a much younger woman is manipulative or otherwise 'wrong' somehow. What if he genuinely loves and wants to do right by her? Would it be better she end up with a younger guy who's still in the sowing oats stage and breaks her heart to pieces? Edited June 30, 2010 by sumdude
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 I'm trying to figure out why you're making this personal, about me. As a purported early twenties guy, what would you know about being an 18 year old girl or being with a 31 year old man? For that matter, you've had what, one relationship in your entire life? As far as experiencing predatory older men, yes, I recall it as a teenager and young adult. At the time, anyone older than five years was creepy. Yes well I don't have a problem with your own personal 5 year dating rule but you make it personal when you and all the others on this forum go around casting your judgment every time an age gap appears. I just think its really sad what you've convinced yourself is all. I really doubt you even believe it yourself. To each their own I say. I have a friend I've known since I was four years old. His father is a WWII vet who married after he finished active duty. I think his dad was in his late 30's early 40's when he married... a 19 year old greek girl. They are still married and raised two children. I imagine it's at times difficult for his wife since he's now about 90 and very frail yet she is still vibrant in comparison. Still from all appearances they have had and still have a good marriage. Seems a bit judgmental to assume that any man who courts a much younger woman is manipulative or otherwise 'wrong' somehow. What if he genuinely loves and wants to do right by her? Would it be better she end up with a younger guy who's still in the sowing oats stage and breaks her heart to pieces? To each his own would make for a great world. Reality is plenty of relationships involving people the same age have horror stories attached to them so to assume that it some how helps the relationship is pointless. The only arguement they ever have is to call it GROSS and CREEPY and then the women accuse me of making it personal when I post on this subject. Its all so silly.
Corporate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Angelina Julie is like the better, upgraded, mature, and classier version of Megan Fox.
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 OMG jumboyojimbo you seriously just made my day. haha too funny... because it was TRUE
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Yes well I don't have a problem with your own personal 5 year dating rule but you make it personal when you and all the others on this forum go around casting your judgment every time an age gap appears. I just think its really sad what you've convinced yourself is all. I really doubt you even believe it yourself.Unless you're the guy who's 31, dating an 18 year old baby, why does it matter to you? It's all a conceptual discussion and one that you've presented to LS for discussion. I still don't understand why it's so important that you need to start a thread about it and why when anyone disagrees with you, you get frenzied and go to the personal attack with a bunch of erroneous assumptions about the person disagreeing with you. I'm not going to deny that it's judgemental of me to find it creepy as hell. But I do recall being creeped out about it through personal experience when younger and haven't changed my opinion. There's something emotionally unhealthy about predatory older men who prey on girls in their teens or early adulthood. I could list the reasons such as major control issues which is what pedophilia is all about, looking for the fountain of youth through external validation ("still gots it"), not perceiving women as people rather objects to satisfy lust since all that matters is what they look like and how incredibly immature a 31 year old man would have to be, to connect with an 18 year old. I could go on and on about the emotional aspects of why any 31 year old would go after an 18 year old. But in a nutshell, creepy as hell.
Shakz Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Unless you're the guy who's 31, dating an 18 year old baby, why does it matter to you? It's all a conceptual discussion and one that you've presented to LS for discussion. I still don't understand why it's so important that you need to start a thread about it and why when anyone disagrees with you, you get frenzied and go to the personal attack with a bunch of erroneous assumptions about the person disagreeing with you. I'm not going to deny that it's judgemental of me to find it creepy as hell. But I do recall being creeped out about it through personal experience when younger and haven't changed my opinion. There's something emotionally unhealthy about predatory older men who prey on girls in their teens or early adulthood. I could list the reasons such as major control issues which is what pedophilia is all about, looking for the fountain of youth through external validation ("still gots it"), not perceiving women as people rather objects to satisfy lust since all that matters is what they look like and how incredibly immature a 31 year old man would have to be, to connect with an 18 year old. I could go on and on about the emotional aspects of why any 31 year old would go after an 18 year old. But in a nutshell, creepy as hell. You left one out, 3BF: they might just be in love with each other.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 You left one out, 3BF: they might just be in love with each other.How does an emotionally healthy 31 year old man fall in love with an immature 18 year old girl?
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 How does an emotionally healthy 31 year old man fall in love with an immature 18 year old girl? Just admit that you don't know everything. Then realize you have no room to say anything other then "I wouldn't date so and so." Seriously pure and simple its anger toward men.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Just admit that you don't know everything. Then realize you have no room to say anything other then "I wouldn't date so and so." Seriously pure and simple its anger toward men.Another personal attack.
sumdude Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) How does an emotionally healthy 31 year old man fall in love with an immature 18 year old girl? Love knows no boundaries. I think it might be rare but it does happen. Why make such blanket generalizations? If the man respects, cherishes and treats her well and the feeling is mutual is it still creepy? Edited June 30, 2010 by sumdude
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Love knows no boundaries. I think it might be rare but it does happen. Why make such blanket generalizations?I've bolded what's pertinent. As for blanket generalizations, it's my opinion and judgement on this subject, as it's the opinion and judgement of everyone else participating within this thread. There are always anaecdoetal exceptions to every generalization. Some girls are very mature at 18 and some guys are very immature at 31. That is a generalization which is possible. But to attempt to say that the majority of 31 year old men and 18 year old girls are like this, would be a fallacious statement.
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 I've bolded what's pertinent. As for blanket generalizations, it's my opinion and judgement on this subject, as it's the opinion and judgement of everyone else participating within this thread. There are always anaecdoetal exceptions to every generalization. Some girls are very mature at 18 and some guys are very immature at 31. That is a generalization which is possible. But to attempt to say that the majority of 31 year old men and 18 year old girls are like this, would be a fallacious statement. Please, you make this crap up as you go along and you are the only one who seems to believe it. My opinion is backed up by reality, yours is backed up by some life time movie of the week you imagined in your head. Do you have a son. Do you make him feel bad about himself.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Now just wait a second here three by fate. As between yourself at whatever age you are now; and Megan Fox at age 18; are you suggesting that Brian Austin Green would have made a "better" or "more mature" choice to have chosen yourself over Megan? Megan is a hyper-successful, hyper attractive, Hollywood superstar. Compared to the "average" woman (such as yourself) Megan is off the charts. By the way have you ever known any "child actors"? I have. You make a huge mistake by assuming that they are all automatically "immature." Maybe in the world you inhabit, threebyfate, 18 year old women are all immature little girls. I doubt your world is anything like Megan Fox's world. People grow up really fast in Megan Fox's world. In terms of maturity level, most likely, Megan Fox is (and was even at the age of 18) far more mature than you are, TBH. Far more mature, far more wealthy, far more scrum-diddly-umptious. Do you really think Megan Fox is spending any time on the internet casting aspersions at people who are more attractive/wealthy/successful than she is? What exactly do you mean by "maturity," anyway?Go back and read my posts. I'm not going to repeat myself. Your comments about my opinions and judgements within this thread, have nothing to do with any of what you're describing.
sumdude Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 I've bolded what's pertinent. As for blanket generalizations, it's my opinion and judgement on this subject, as it's the opinion and judgement of everyone else participating within this thread. There are always anaecdoetal exceptions to every generalization. Some girls are very mature at 18 and some guys are very immature at 31. That is a generalization which is possible. But to attempt to say that the majority of 31 year old men and 18 year old girls are like this, would be a fallacious statement. One thing that is often true is that women in their late teens and early twenties are often more mature than men the same age. Which is why many do end up at least dating older men though maybe not 15+ years older. I'm 42 and no I'm sure not interested in any teenager. But I'm finding myself over time looking more into women in their late 20's and early 30's. Why? All of my relationships so far have been with women my age and all have failed. Part of the reason is that even though I'm 42 I've only been in one true LTR, my marriage. I haven't been through 3 - 5 LTR's like all the women my age I've dated. I feel they're just too jaded and ready to jump ship at a moments notice.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Please, you make this crap up as you go along and you are the only one who seems to believe it. My opinion is backed up by reality, yours is backed up by some life time movie of the week you imagined in your head.Weird how on one hand, you say I'm the only person who believes this and yet on the other hand, you state a mass opinion about how the women on LS feel about this issue. Is it just me or is it the women on LS? Take a stance and maintain it. Otherwise it's just another personal attack and contradiction. Totally irrational emotionalism. Do you have a son. Do you make him feel bad about himself.I'm trying to figure out what my 18 day old son has to do with this discussion. If he were to do this while 31 years old, he would definitely hear my opinion and judgement about it.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 One thing that is often true is that women in their late teens and early twenties are often more mature than men the same age. Which is why many do end up at least dating older men though maybe not 15+ years older. I'm 42 and no I'm sure not interested in any teenager. But I'm finding myself over time looking more into women in their late 20's and early 30's. Why? All of my relationships so far have been with women my age and all have failed. Part of the reason is that even though I'm 42 I've only been in one true LTR, my marriage. I haven't been through 3 - 5 LTR's like all the women my age I've dated. I feel they're just too jaded and ready to jump ship at a moments notice.Notice how I drew the line at 25, in a previous post? The human brain doesn't mature in most people until that age. There's something seriously wrong when a 31 year old pursues an 18 year old. It's even worse when a 31 year old pursues a teenager. We're not talking about a 25 year old woman who's mature enough to figure out a guy's emotional, manipulative crap.
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 Weird how on one hand, you say I'm the only person who believes this and yet on the other hand, you state a mass opinion about how the women on LS feel about this issue. Is it just me or is it the women on LS? Take a stance and maintain it. Otherwise it's just another personal attack and contradiction. Totally irrational emotionalism. I'm trying to figure out what my 18 day old son has to do with this discussion. If he were to do this while 31 years old, he would definitely hear my opinion and judgement about it. Don't act confused you know what I'm saying. First off your son is going to do plenty of things you will never know about. Second, if your son honors you and the girl by including her in the family cause she is special to him and he is in love YOU'D BE SICK TO CALL HIM A PEDO AND GROSS CREEP. YES IT COULD HAPPEN, DEAL WITH IT.
threebyfate Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 Don't act confused you know what I'm saying. First off your son is going to do plenty of things you will never know about. Second, if your son honors you and the girl by including her in the family cause she is special to him and he is in love YOU'D BE SICK TO CALL HIM A PEDO AND GROSS CREEP. YES IT COULD HAPPEN, DEAL WITH IT.Huh? Do you even read what I write or do you just react emotionally? I'm stating that you're being contradictory and irrational. As far as including my son in this discussion, anything is possible. As previously stated, I would call him out on his inappropriate, predatory behaviour. But again, I ask you what your personal and highly emotional interest is, within this type of predatory relationship, that you would feel the need to post a thread about it, bash on the women on LS about it and then go to the immediate personal attack when someone disagrees with you.
Shakz Posted June 30, 2010 Posted June 30, 2010 One thing that is often true is that women in their late teens and early twenties are often more mature than men the same age. Which is why many do end up at least dating older men though maybe not 15+ years older. I'm 42 and no I'm sure not interested in any teenager. But I'm finding myself over time looking more into women in their late 20's and early 30's. Why? All of my relationships so far have been with women my age and all have failed. Part of the reason is that even though I'm 42 I've only been in one true LTR, my marriage. I haven't been through 3 - 5 LTR's like all the women my age I've dated. I feel they're just too jaded and ready to jump ship at a moments notice. You know I feel the same way to a certain extent. I'm 48 and of my most recent relationships, all of which have been with women in my age group, ended because the woman was dissatisfied and broke it off. I was constantly being compared in a negative light to some previous guy. It gets pretty frustrating when one woman says, "you're just like my ex, uncommunicative and emotionally unavailable," and the next says, "you don't have to tell me every little thing your feeling. it makes you seem needy." Well, what am I, hot or cold? It makes you want to be just luke-warm.
Author Green Posted June 30, 2010 Author Posted June 30, 2010 Huh? Do you even read what I write or do you just react emotionally? I'm stating that you're being contradictory and irrational. As far as including my son in this discussion, anything is possible. As previously stated, I would call him out on his inappropriate, predatory behaviour. But again, I ask you what your personal and highly emotional interest is, within this type of predatory relationship, that you would feel the need to post a thread about it, bash on the women on LS about it and then go to the immediate personal attack when someone disagrees with you. My interest in this is that people I know date/marry younger women and I think its NASTY the stuff you say. Be prepared to lose your son if you ever call him GROSS or a CREEP or PEDO for doing something completly natural and LEGAL.
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