Banning illegal porn, your thoughts? (yes, a porn thread)

[Jersey Shortie]

Ocktus:

Also Jersey, Porn might be a multi-billion dollar industry, but child porn most certainly is not

 

Ocktus, statistic on child pornography:

 

More than 20,000 images of child pornography posted online every week (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, 10/8/03).

Approximately 20% of all Internet pornography involves children (National Center for Mission & Exploited Children).

100,000 websites offer illegal child pornography (U.S. Customs Service estimate).

As of December 2005, child pornography was a $3 billion annual industry (Internet Filter Review).

 

So child porn is a billion dollar business. And that was in 2005. And maybe even more because it's not easily caught or determined with the advent of the Internet. Information is passed easily and annonmously.

 

And:

Statistics from Wikipedia:

Child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry and among the fastest growing criminal segments on the Internet. Producers of child pornography try to avoid prosecution by distributing their material across national borders, though this issue is increasingly being addressed with regular arrests of suspects from a number of countries occurring over the last few years. NCMEC claims that around 20 % of all pornography contains children. (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, USA. 2005-08-05 and NCMEC transaction trends p3)

 

Lets stop pretending that internet porn doesn't affect people. Multi-billion worth of affected.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Jersey Shortie

[alyssatranswarrior]

Again I'm going to clarify a point.

 

These are YOUR views regarding porn, and for that matter sexuality. You seem to not want children to define their own thoughts and actions regarding sex? You seem as though you and your "bandwagon" has the "true" way to live.

 

Boys and Girls are as capable as I (was when I was a developing adult) in defining their own morals and standards. In the bedroom there has never been anything wrong for me with slapping a girls ass, or talking dirty to her. I certainly asked beforehand about wether each girl liked kinkier sex acts and those that did I was able to have fun with that kind of thing, at her consent.

 

These were girls who became women who make their own choices on what they like in the bedroom. None of these girls were messed up in any way because they did not accept abuse from males in the general population they would certainly speak up against sexual harassment in workplace etc. People arent "damaged" for wanting spice in the bedroom. So get off your horse please.

 

There is lots of traditional abuse like murder and beatings of women and men by their spouses in relationships but this has NOTHING to do with sexuality, the bedroom or pornography. This is a concern for sure and one that needs a societal effort in some way. Id say tougher laws against offenders of spouses.

 

Right now you are using porn as your scapegoat, because it hits against YOUR moral heart. Too bad to be honest. Move on because you won't get anywhere on the crusade.

 

Getting back to the thinking I emparted earlier. Parental control is your key to fixing the issue of illegal porn being seen by children. You keep trying to backup this opinion you have with pointless facts taken way out of context and extremistly saying is damaging to women. Of course a high percentage of porn has "fantasy" involved in it. Thats what porn is meant for. Tapping the taboo of sexuality that most of society are too plain and bland to engage in. Im talking about consenting adults here. Which everyone in legally produced porn is by legal terms. Every girl that lets a man in porn call her a "whore" or "you like that slut?" questioning, did so knowing either two things :

 

a) they do get off on it

 

b) they know, and are told by an agent it will endear them to fans of porn for being naughty in their scenes, thus providing her a likely faster career in the industry, thus more money, control and power for her future choices in porn or otherwise. Its a device. Porn is acting, theatre. People in mainstream movies and theatre have allowed themselves to be called bad things if it fits the role.

 

You wanted to bring up the near irrelevant stat about 90% porn contains some abuse involved. Yes, acting for fantasy may involve things you won't see everyday! What a shocker. So I just adressed that point and I hope no other people minds it brought up, I certainly don't care if Des minds, however.

 

If you never taught your children that porn contains the extreme ends of the sexual realm, and what porn is - if you just said "kids porn is evil with evil people making it" or "porn is for grown ups" you failed as a parent. Educate them, don't play them. Again, my parents = smart. Action groups trying to wage war to avoid their failings = not smart.

 

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[SpanksTheMonkey]

Until you can show me the "free" illegal porn sites then to me and others as well I suspect this is nothing more then another thread to bash porn and all its evils dressed up as something else.

 

Sad thing is I actually agree some porn is wrong however since I wont jump up on the feminist bandwagon and say its all wrong my opinions are some how void meh ok what ever rocks your boat.

 

This thread will more then likely be shut down soon anyways just like the others what ever happened to parents actually parenting? I wonder tho.

 

Far as the body image issues that young people can take away from this alleged "free" illegal porn. That can happen with just about any of the music videos/tv shows/movies were kids see anything even remotely sexual some of the videos on mtv anymore are just about light core pron lol.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

You wanted to bring up the near irrelevant stat about 90% porn contains some abuse involved. Yes, acting for fantasy may involve things you won't see everyday! What a shocker. So I just adressed that point and I hope no other people minds it brought up, I certainly don't care if Des minds, however.

 

If you never taught your children that porn contains the extreme ends of the sexual realm, and what porn is - if you just said "kids porn is evil with evil people making it" or "porn is for grown ups" you failed as a parent. Educate them, don't play them. Again, my parents = smart. Action groups trying to wage war to avoid their failings = not smart.

 

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I honestly don't know what kind of porn some people around here are watching lol. ive watched porn from time to time im not ashamed to say it and thats as a female!

 

What ive mainly seen is armature porn between 2 consenting and more times then not loving partners couples who do it for kicks maybe to spice things up in their relationship more power to them I say.

 

Sure you can get the bit rougher stuff from time to time but nothing like some have said I think that kinda stuff may be more on the fetish side of things a world witch is def tipped into the fantasy realm.

 

In that case its just that a fantasy made for those who enjoy it by people who enjoy doing it for them/to them long as there consenting adults good on them

 

Granted you can get some sicko wacko porn but really I doubt that makes up the majority and as I said earlier that kind of stuff no one in their sane mind supports.

[harmfulsweetz]

Good for you. Why do you feel the need come here, mock me, and rub in my face that you don't care? Do you think that makes you look cool or something?

 

It doesn't.

 

It was fun. Heck, we have so many anti-porn threads (in whatever way you dress it up) someone may as well try and have fun with it. Seems my attempt at humor was lost, I thought the Hangover quote was rather apt.

 

Fact of life- you will nearly always get these streaming sites for porn, illegal or not, and people will watch them. And when one is banned, another will pop up. (pun not intended). It's the same with these free movie streaming sites, one is banned, type into google, it's still up and running under a different name. Under this reality, I'd prefer people's efforts to go to catching rapists, pedophiles, murderers, domestic abusers etc, which is why I really can't care if someone is getting their kicks watching 'illegally obtained porn.' Unless it is child porn, which then it is both illegal and illegally obtained-then I care.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I found this video I think its funny

 

 

Hes got another one on people who don't like porn too but that ones just a bit much to post here.

 

Anyhoo this one gets the point across anyways if nothing else its a decent laugh and im sure we could all use that here

[harmfulsweetz]

 

Thought I'd post the porn one up too!

[A O]

Yes, AO, there are aspects of porn that should infact be controlled! What's wrong with that?

Its not a case of right or wrong. What's this thread all about - banning illegal downloading of porn or banning porn full stop. Not hard to guess as some have already alluded to.

 

Your issues towards men and porn are one thing. Your selective memory, if not outright lying towards my behavior is simply unneeded and just makes you look like an ass.

Cop out. Where did I lie about your behavior?

Where didn't you. Where didn't you! Silly game isn't it, but the most effective way to get my point across. So easy to resort to slander and the like. Not the best way to debate by any means. Bottom line is I've discussed, far too many times to remember, how women are portrayed, perceived, painted, name your angle, as far as porn is concerned. It is not a "new" point as you want to believe.

 

Oh, and speaking of cop outs!! Care to answer these questions, based on some of your well-known views - what percentage of men view porn + how many of these does porn influence in a detrimental manner, and finally - where do you get these numbers from?. Simple questions - hardly worth copping out over!

 

 

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[A O]

What charade? There never was a charade., I'm not denying this is an effort to keep porn at bay, but so what?

The charade that has you here under the premise of banning illegal porn when all you want to do is ban porn full stop. As evidenced by your refusal to differentiate between illegal use and free use and the wide-ranging implications that comes with this.

 

Are you not in agreement that this could be a good thing, or that it's something that should be done anyway?

There's a lot of porn I either don't like or am not interested in. But as long as its legal (in the normal sense of the word) then who am I to judge what people should like or not.

 

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[Jersey Shortie]

Boys and Girls are as capable as I (was when I was a developing adult) in defining their own morals and standards.

 

Actually they really aren't.

 

LiveScience:

Parents of stubborn teenagers rejoice, or at least relax: That adolescent attitude stems, in part, from the vagaries of brain development. The gray matter of the brain peaks just before puberty and is pruned back down throughout adolescence, with some of the most dramatic development happening in the frontal lobes, the seat of judgment and decision-making. A 2005 study published in the journal Child Development found that the parts of the brain responsible for multitasking don't fully mature until we're 16 or 17 years old. And research presented at the BA Festival of Science in 2006 revealed that teens also have a neural excuse for self-centeredness. When considering an action that would affect others, teens were less likely than adults to use the medial prefrontal cortex, an area associated with empathy and guilt. Teens learn empathy by practicing socializing, the researchers said. So much for grounding them until they're 20.

 

 

Boys and girls do not have the capability for adult rationality because their brains are not fully developed. Consider when most kids discover porn, which is age 11 for boys at least. From 11 on, boys turn into men who have inundated themselves into buying what porn movies are selling. Those are key growing areas in a boys life that he is changing the patterns of his brain forever. As the little blurb in the article indicated, teenagers infact don't have the brain capability for judgement and decision making because that part of their brain isn't fully developed, add in that teens center around their needs first, throw in some degrading images of women to a 11 year old boy and girl, and I don't really think I need to spell it out.

 

In the bedroom there has never been anything wrong for me with slapping a girls ass, or talking dirty to her. I certainly asked beforehand about wether each girl liked kinkier sex acts and those that did I was able to have fun with that kind of thing, at her consent.

 

And you tried these things because you saw them in porn and found them exciting? Or you always thought of them before you even saw porn? I am curious.

 

 

There is lots of traditional abuse like murder and beatings of women and men by their spouses in relationships but this has NOTHING to do with sexuality, the bedroom or pornography.

 

You are addressing two seperate issues. No one is saying porn leads to murder. HOwever, I do think porn infact has lead to a level of degradement and enjoyment of degradement towards women. More men ask for their partners to perform certain acts they found in porn. There is more hardcore porn out there then ever. Most porn seems to refer to women in sexually negative names in their titles at the very least. Lets not pretend porn is doing a service for women or men just because it makes you happy and makes you feel so good to sit infront of you computer with the glow of naked boobs in front of your eyes.

 

Right now you are using porn as your scapegoat, because it hits against YOUR moral heart. Too bad to be honest. Move on because you won't get anywhere on the crusade.

 

Errrr, scapegoat for what? For an honest discussion about something that most men wouldn't want their own daughters in because even while they sure do like to beat off to it, they regonize the degradment of how women are treated and repersented in it?

 

You are using porn as a reason why it's okay to demean women.

 

Getting back to the thinking I emparted earlier. Parental control is your key to fixing the issue of illegal porn being seen by children.

 

Social issuese that have ramifications for society ware worthy of talking about beyond your easy blow off of "it's all the parents resonsibility".

 

 

You keep trying to backup this opinion you have with pointless facts taken way out of context and extremistly saying is damaging to women.

 

This makes no sense! Pointless facts taken out of context? Back up this retoric with some facts dude. Show us what "facts" have been taken out of context. I love how facts get presented around here about porn's negative affects and because men love porn so much they ignore the facts or do other things in attempt to not be real and honest about the industry. This is the the issue we have today. Too many men care more about defending their right to pornography and abusing, humilating and using women, then they do about real conversations and honesty. It's so disheartening.

 

Of course a high percentage of porn has "fantasy" involved in it. Thats what porn is meant for. Tapping the taboo of sexuality that most of society are too plain and bland to engage in.

 

And as the public is more saturated with images of things that where once taboo, they need to move on to even more taboo things. And that's exactly what is happening with society and we all see it. Go ahead and try to deny it, you can't. Things that use to be shocking and not turn ons, become regular talk and seem to be things that turn people on now. It's okay to spit, smack ,choke, gag a woman because the women in porn love it look at them moan! I don't even see how that is sexy to spit on a woman or make her so uncomfortble you need to choke her. Those worthless women love it! So shut your mouths women! Because the ladies in porn love it! God, you buy right into the fantasy.

 

Every girl that lets a man in porn call her a "whore" or "you like that slut?" questioning, did so knowing either two things :

 

a) they do get off on it

 

b) they know, and are told by an agent it will endear them to fans of porn for being naughty in their scenes, thus providing her a likely faster career in the industry, thus more money, control and power for her future choices in porn or otherwise. Its a device. Porn is acting, theatre. People in mainstream movies and theatre have allowed themselves to be called bad things if it fits the role.

 

Oh Bullcrap! They do it for the money! They do it because they don't have many options. Some might get off on it but most women don't want to be called names while random men abuse her! You buy into the exact 'fantasy" you just preached about! Women are called names in porn not for female pleasure dude! They do it because men like seeing women treated like crap. And no, not all the women in porn are told everything that is going to happen them while filming a movie. They aren't always told by their agent, if they even have one!, that x w and z is going to happen. Infact MOST wmoen in porn last only 6 months to one year. Do you know what that is? Because in that time frame she is conjuled to do more hardcore actions until the peo[ple that make the movies are tired of her or until she becaomes both emotionally and phyiscally exhausted she can't do it anymore. Most girls don't last past a year. Most girls aren't told every little thing and action and word that is goign to be spoken to them. Give me a break. You totally buy into the fantasy. And yes, people in mainstream movies allow themselves to be called bad names. But usually people aren't mastubating to it. Calling a guy an ******* when he blows up a building is different then telling a woman she is a worthless slut. But utilmately, that seems to be how too many men thing of women. Just admit it, wome nare worthless, men are great. Women want to be abused because we love anything a a man does. You buy into the fantasy.

 

 

You wanted to bring up the near irrelevant stat about 90% porn contains some abuse involved. Yes, acting for fantasy may involve things you won't see everyday! What a shocker.

 

Why do women need to be abused for male pleasure???? YOu make it sound like it's okay to abuse a woman for fantasy reasons? Why do men want to see women abused??

[Jersey Shortie]

Its not a case of right or wrong. What's this thread all about - banning illegal downloading of porn or banning porn full stop. Not hard to guess as some have already alluded to.

 

You're the only one alluding to complete banning of porn.

 

Where didn't you. Where didn't you! Silly game isn't it, but the most effective way to get my point across. So easy to resort to slander and the like. Not the best way to debate by any means. Bottom line is I've discussed, far too many times to remember, how women are portrayed, perceived, painted, name your angle, as far as porn is concerned. It is not a "new" point as you want to believe.

 

Oh, and speaking of cop outs!! Care to answer these questions, based on some of your well-known views - what percentage of men view porn + how many of these does porn influence in a detrimental manner, and finally - where do you get these numbers from?. Simple questions - hardly worth copping out over!

 

I asked you a simple question. It should have been fairly easy to answer due to your comment but you couldn't. Since you couldn't give my question respect. I won't waste my time answer yours.

[Engadget]

9/10.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/PornHarms#p/u/1/kV_HznJhizQ

 

Skip 7:20 into the video.

 

Also, the study is talked about here...

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=6256523&page=2

 

"Her team then recorded each instance of aggression (including spanking, gagging and verbal abuse). Their definition of aggression included "any action causing physical or psychological harm to oneself or another person, verbally or physically."

 

"Overall 94.4 percent of the aggressive acts were targeted at women," she said, and "95.5 percent of the female characters who were the targets of aggression actually expressed enjoyment or had no response at all.""

 

1. Define aggressive acts. Is hair pulling aggressive? Is spanking aggressive? Some people enjoy these things, yet I guarantee they're part of what they're talking about.

 

2. Psychological harm? "You're a dirty slut", does that constitute psychological harm?

 

3. Those numbers are not saying 94.4 percent HAVE violence at all.

 

Watching the video, everything I said above is true. I'm sorry but calling a girl a slut isn't psychological harm, and all of the above have been things women who don't even watch porn that I've known enjoyed. They wanted their hair pulled, to be spanked, to be talked dirty to.

 

There's no 90% number anywhere by the way.

Edited June 23, 2010 by Engadget

[A O]

You're the only one alluding to complete banning of porn.

I'm not the only one who understands what this is all about, that much is true. Banning illegal porn is one thing, stretching the definition of illegal to the point where it covers almost all free porn - says it all.

 

I asked you a simple question. It should have been fairly easy to answer due to your comment but you couldn't. Since you couldn't give my question respect. I won't waste my time answer yours.

You got an answer - it wasn't to your liking. I'm not surprised that you won't answer my questions. Similar questions have been posed to you before and to use your lingo - you've copped out on them too. They will be asked again, we'll see if we get more of the same next time around.

 

 

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[A O]

Boys and girls do not have the capability for adult rationality because their brains are not fully developed.

The inability to see past themselves does not equate to an inability to distinguish between right and wrong. And that's his point.

 

 

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[alyssatranswarrior]

The inability to see past themselves does not equate to an inability to distinguish between right and wrong. And that's his point.

 

I would have to agree. That was my point. The disturbingly rediculous aspect these reactionaries take from those studies is to say "a developing brain cannot make decisions"

 

So absurd...Children make decisions all the time, so obviously a developing brain does NOT mean a retarded brain devoid of reason. It simply means the definition of developing - not yet FULLY developed. The fully part is about thinking beyond yourself and seeing the largeness of the world, then finding yourself a function within it.

 

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"11 year olds see porn"

 

Really? I guess I didn't get the memo where parenting got worse since 2002 when I learned what porn actually was first hand. And my first time sure wasnt the kind of porn you say is damaging 11 year olds. My exposure was pretty tame porn, just basic intercourse with passion between the regular name brand pornstars.

 

What household allows 11 year olds to see women being choked and called sluts? I would have to believe a horrible one with poorly developed adults masquerading under the title "parent".

 

No doubt you understand I will pivot every reason for any issue you have onto parenting being the cause of any development issues. Since parents are in the individuals life more than any other (or should be). They are the only people responsible for the child. Society is not responsible for your child. The state is not responsible for your child. The school system is only responsible for your child at school - and there they are kept safe by blocked computers and safe adult-monitored environments.

 

Buyer beware, if you have a child and care about exposing them to adult related content, you must be a GOOD parent, not a poor one, or you get the results of the failure.

 

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There is a larger availability of matches in the world to a child. You didnt forget to educate your child on that one though did you? Nope. That one was handed down clearly.

 

"you shouldnt play with matches"

 

Why dont you apply the same methodology of education upon this issue. Teach the kids, stop trying to lecture the adults

[Des]

These are YOUR views regarding porn, and for that matter sexuality. You seem to not want children to define their own thoughts and actions regarding sex? You seem as though you and your "bandwagon" has the "true" way to live.

 

Don't start preaching to me because you're up and above this antiquated idea of "having morals".

 

This isn't just my view regarding porn. It's the view of many. It's the view of the US Supreme Court, it's the view of doctors, psychologists, philosophers, scholars, ex-porn stars, addicts, etc...

 

Pornography does not allow children to "define their own thoughts and actions regarding sex", it does the opposite. It assumes the role of defining it for them. It does not allow them to develop on their own.

 

Boys and Girls are as capable as I (was when I was a developing adult) in defining their own morals and standards. In the bedroom there has never been anything wrong for me with slapping a girls ass, or talking dirty to her. I certainly asked beforehand about wether each girl liked kinkier sex acts and those that did I was able to have fun with that kind of thing, at her consent.

 

I suppose you've never heard of "conditioning" before.

 

So get off your horse please.

 

Maybe you should get off yours. Because again, what I say is not just entirely based on my opinion.

 

Right now you are using porn as your scapegoat, because it hits against YOUR moral heart. Too bad to be honest. Move on because you won't get anywhere on the crusade.

 

Tell that to the US Supreme Court, who have for 40 years now had laws against obscenity - which they specifically define as "hardcore pornography", and it's not protected as free speech. It never has been. It is also illegal to distribute to the public (including on the Internet). Did you know that?

 

Why? Well, to quote the Supreme Court as Patrick Trueman did this week, "To equate the free and robust exchange of ideas and political debate with the commercial exploitation of obscene materials, demeans the grand conception of the First Amendment and it's high purposes in the historic struggle for freedom, is to misuse the great guarantees of free speech and the press".

 

It's just a matter of not enforcing the law. And as Trueman said, the Justice Department has won every prosecution of the few they've ever bothered with so far.

 

You keep trying to backup this opinion you have with pointless facts taken way out of context and extremistly saying is damaging to women.

 

"Pointless facts", that's golden. Oh? It's such and 'extremist' thing to say that the normalization of violence and debasement towards women in a sexual context is damaging. How is masturbating to that kind of imagery not threatening to ones psychological state? How is it not damaging to men? To women? To minors? Please, present you're PhD or at least the claims of someone who has one is psychology, who argues that it is not. I'll refer you to Mary Anne Layden or Sharon Cooper's findings... for starters.

 

Of course a high percentage of porn has "fantasy" involved in it. Thats what porn is meant for. Tapping the taboo of sexuality that most of society are too plain and bland to engage in.

 

Yeah, I guess society at large is too bland to engage in the idea of slapping a woman in the face, and choking her while calling her things "worthless" and filthy b****. You have no idea how you're making yourself sound like a porn addict right now. Someone desensitized and "bored" to "normalness" and "plain old" reality, and more turned on by the ideals of hardcore porn extremism.

 

Im talking about consenting adults here. Which everyone in legally produced porn is by legal terms. Every girl that lets a man in porn call her a "whore" or "you like that slut?" questioning, did so knowing either two things :

 

a) they do get off on it

 

b) they know, and are told by an agent it will endear them to fans of porn for being naughty in their scenes, thus providing her a likely faster career in the industry, thus more money, control and power for her future choices in porn or otherwise. Its a device. Porn is acting, theatre. People in mainstream movies and theatre have allowed themselves to be called bad things if it fits the role.

 

I'm not interested in hearing how you imagine it goes down. I'm more interested in what I hear from people who actually have experienced it, and can tell us what really happened.

 

Consent is pretty limited when you're simply saying yes to doing a porn shoot, then from that point forward, everything else is out of your hands. You're idea of the women's power within the industry is laughable. Many of them never acquire any real wealth or status through it, much less any sort of control over the nature of an individual porn shoot. They don't control it when a guy starts slapping them around or hurting them. Yes, they do take the abuse to get paid. Why don't we listen to what they say, instead of how you 'think' it happens.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJfGH7gh-44&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrZhfqNFdo

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReXkySP9ZZc&feature=related

 

 

You wanted to bring up the near irrelevant stat about 90% porn contains some abuse involved. Yes, acting for fantasy may involve things you won't see everyday! What a shocker. So I just adressed that point and I hope no other people minds it brought up, I certainly don't care if Des minds, however.

 

"Irrelevant statistic", that's another good one. This is not acting. It is real, please understand that. The open handed slapping is real, the gagging is real, the stragulation until their faces turn red is real, the verbal abuse is real. You sound like you're under the impression that they fake these acts.

 

If you never taught your children that porn contains the extreme ends of the sexual realm, and what porn is - if you just said "kids porn is evil with evil people making it" or "porn is for grown ups" you failed as a parent. Educate them, don't play them. Again, my parents = smart. Action groups trying to wage war to avoid their failings = not smart.

 

Porn contains "porn sex", in most cases extremism indeed. Why would I need to tell a child this? Do you think CHILDREN should be watching this? Never mind the fact before this last decade, porn wasn't about extremism and degradation of the total objectification of women wasn't on the forefront, and wasn't a misspelled word away.

 

You don't come across as so "smart" to me.

[Des]

Its not a case of right or wrong. What's this thread all about - banning illegal downloading of porn or banning porn full stop. Not hard to guess as some have already alluded to.

 

I no longer have any doubt to my suspicion that you lack any real concern in regards to anything that has ever been discussed in these many porn threads.You want to down play this thread and lump it in with everything else, to discredit me. Just as always.

 

I could care less really at this point about banning porn "full stop". I'm saying it right now, that's not what I'm out to see done. Are you going to call me a liar?

 

What I think is important is to take care of much of the problem in fixing a left alone issue of free illegal porn, that no one is entitled to. You should have no problem with that, as a so called law abiding citizen who apparently "buys his porn".

 

 

Oh, and speaking of cop outs!! Care to answer these questions, based on some of your well-known views - what percentage of men view porn + how many of these does porn influence in a detrimental manner, and finally - where do you get these numbers from?. Simple questions - hardly worth copping out over!

 

Sounds to me like you are only tying to stir up more controversy so as to derail the thread, AO.

[Des]

The charade that has you here under the premise of banning illegal porn when all you want to do is ban porn full stop. As evidenced by your refusal to differentiate between illegal use and free use and the wide-ranging implications that comes with this.

 

Get real. Ok, "amateur porn", sure, make it all you want. Let it be free, I don't care. I'm advocating ridding porn that is illegal under multiple US laws, both obscenity and copyright infringing. Because when that's gone, believe me, there won't much of a problem left.

 

There's a lot of porn I either don't like or am not interested in. But as long as its legal (in the normal sense of the word) then who am I to judge what people should like or not.

 

As long as prostitution and exploitation filmed on a set is legal, I suppose I agree.

 

I'm not the only one who understands what this is all about, that much is true. Banning illegal porn is one thing, stretching the definition of illegal to the point where it covers almost all free porn - says it all.

 

Who's stretching the definition? I didn't come up with the definition AO. Covers almost all free porn? Please AO, elaborate. Details. Lots of them.

 

 

Fact of life- you will nearly always get these streaming sites for porn, illegal or not, and people will watch them. And when one is banned, another will pop up. (pun not intended).

 

Fact of life- nothing is guaranteed. Pun not taken as a pun, or really recognized as one, for that matter.

 

"Her team then recorded each instance of aggression (including spanking, gagging and verbal abuse). Their definition of aggression included "any action causing physical or psychological harm to oneself or another person, verbally or physically."

 

"Overall 94.4 percent of the aggressive acts were targeted at women," she said, and "95.5 percent of the female characters who were the targets of aggression actually expressed enjoyment or had no response at all.""

 

1. Define aggressive acts. Is hair pulling aggressive? Is spanking aggressive? Some people enjoy these things, yet I guarantee they're part of what they're talking about.

 

2. Psychological harm? "You're a dirty slut", does that constitute psychological harm?

 

3. Those numbers are not saying 94.4 percent HAVE violence at all.

 

Watching the video, everything I said above is true. I'm sorry but calling a girl a slut isn't psychological harm, and all of the above have been things women who don't even watch porn that I've known enjoyed. They wanted their hair pulled, to be spanked, to be talked dirty to.

 

1. Opened handed face slapping, shoving, punching, dragging around by the hair to the point they are grimacing in pain, being chocked, gagged, or strangled.

 

2. More like "worthless" this or that "stupid" this or that, often including every mean name in the book, or insult you could think of. Believe it or not.

 

3. I was referring to the video, where Gail says "if we combine all the films that include either verbal or physical aggression alone, then 90% of them do.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Des

[A O]

I no longer have any doubt to my suspicion that you lack any real concern in regards to anything that has ever been discussed in these many porn threads.

As mentioned by an earlier poster - we either have to agree with you or you'll write us off which ever way you see fit.

 

I could care less really at this point about banning porn "full stop". I'm saying it right now, that's not what I'm out to see done. Are you going to call me a liar?

All porn is bad to you, you made that clear in previous threads. Your refusal to delineate between illegal and free porn here further emphasizes this point. There is no wiggle room with you Des as there wouldn't be with someone with such a black and white outlook. To suggest here, that you're only trying to ban certain types of porn is disingenuous.

 

Well, your definition of free or illegal porn is so wide that you may as well come out and say it - you want porn banned period! Other than that, I and most folk are technologically savvy enough to understand what free porn is and what illegal downloading (of porn or copyrighted material) is.

Sounds to me like you are only tying to stir up more controversy so as to derail the thread, AO.

Feel free to answer on her behalf, If she's going to bandy the term 'cop out' around then answering porn-related questions, based on her well-known porn views, on yet another porn thread is well within the sphere of things.

 

 

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[A O]

Pornography does not allow children to "define their own thoughts and actions regarding sex", it does the opposite. It assumes the role of defining it for them. It does not allow them to develop on their own.

Our upbringing - our parents, guardians or elder folk involved in our formative years, this is the major determinant on how we relate to people. Only through an absence of any functional adult figure in a young person's life may your situation come to pass.

 

I'm advocating ridding porn that is illegal under multiple US laws, both obscenity and copyright infringing. Because when that's gone, believe me, there won't much of a problem left.

Aha.

 

Talk about putting your foot in it!

 

Who's stretching the definition? I didn't come up with the definition AO. Covers almost all free porn? Please AO, elaborate. Details. Lots of them.

Been there, done that.

 

 

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[Des]

Our upbringing - our parents, guardians or elder folk involved in our formative years, this is the major determinant on how we relate to people. Only through an absence of any functional adult figure in a young person's life may your situation come to pass.

 

That doesn't directly respond to what you quoted, so I don't see what the point is in saying that. Note - Though I do agree, don't get me wrong. That's not the end all of our development.

 

Aha.

 

Talk about putting your foot in it!

 

What are you trying to "aha!", anyway? There is a problem there, the law enforcing itself will take care of it. Aha?

 

Been there, done that.

 

You've never been there, never done that. That's the problem. You refuse to elaborate because you can't. Keeping it vague is the name of your game.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Des

[Jersey Shortie]

You know, it's one thing to disagree with Des' opinion. But she is pretty darn articulate, clearly intelligent, and is presenting credible statistics and facts deteremined by trained professionals. And yet, these facts, while certain posters keep demanding them, when they are presented with them, talk all around them.

 

The inability to see past themselves does not equate to an inability to distinguish between right and wrong. And that's his point.

 

No one said kids where invalids. However, they are NOT FULLY DEVELOPED and their ability to "rationalize" is not that of an adult. This means that certain material has a different affect on children with developing minds. Add in the fact that young boys and girls in the ditigal age are more easily intouch with adult material, sometimes even seeking theese things out, or just getting them from their friends through their phones or whatever and you set a pattern that will last them a life time. And I think that's already illustrated in soceity today. You even want to ignore medical science. That's funny.

 

I would have to agree. That was my point. The disturbingly rediculous aspect these reactionaries take from those studies is to say "a developing brain cannot make decisions"

 

Not too sure what you are talking about. This information wasn't based on a study. It's a scientific fact. Google it yourself. Google information from trained doctors and childre pyschologists. It's not brain surgery. It's medical science. Its' funny that you want to ignore it.

 

 

JS: "11 year olds see porn"

 

Really? I guess I didn't get the memo where parenting got worse since 2002 when I learned what porn actually was first hand. And my first time sure wasnt the kind of porn you say is damaging 11 year olds. My exposure was pretty tame porn, just basic intercourse with passion between the regular name brand pornstars.

 

Parents haven't gotten worse. Technology has become more wide spread and easy to have. It's openeed up doors to a wider audience. That's a reality.

 

It's a stastical fact that the average age that boys are exposed to porn is 11. Hardcore porn as increased. It's not uncommon, infact it's normal, that women are often refered to in four letter words and put in a position of vunerability under the man. Porn sets up stereotypes and ideals about sex and women's bodies. And 11-16 year olds process that information differently and those boys eventually become grown men that normalize sexual acts that are based on "fantasy" in porn but have nothing to do with really wanting to know how to pleasure a real woman. The fact that you continue to use yourself as an example of proof that viewing porn is fine isn't any thing any of us can qualify. So it really pointless.

 

What household allows 11 year olds to see women being choked and called sluts? I would have to believe a horrible one with poorly developed adults masquerading under the title "parent".

 

Did your parents know everything you did as a teenager or boy? I bet they didn't. I bet you found ways around their rules and I bet your parents where good parents despite the fact that you found a way around it. Theatrics of painting a picture that only abusive unhealthy families are where children would come in contact with this material is compeltely false. These images are more easy to seey and occur more often online. Most porn refers to women in negative sexual names.

 

I just did an experienment because I am at home. I googled "porn". I clicked on the first link. It came up to a porn site. The first video displayed was titled something along the lines of "MILF". I clicked on the video. The woman in the video isn't even old enough to be a "MILF". I didn't watch the rest of the movie but I don't need to. Another image shows a man with two women and his hand is around her throat. Another video shows an older man over a girl that looks to be a teenager while she has a "i'm so happy" right now look on her face. And yet another says something about "old p*ssy". Not one of these are positive images for female sexuality. On the second page there is a movie called "sleeping naked B*tch". There is yet another movie called "Shawna Lee:Forgetful C*nt". Another video is called: "bang that nasty meathole." Ummm "meathole"? WTF. Could that be any more degrading to refer to a woman's body as a "meathole'? I didn't have to click on anything special to see these things. All I had to type in was "porn" and these videos came up on the first, second and third page of the website. I didn't have to go far at all. You want to make it seem like these things are normal to see or you have to look hard and you don't. They are right there because I just tried it.

 

Not one of the images that game up projected women in a sexually positive light. One of the advertisements on the side show a man standing over a woman with his freaking foot on her head. WTF is that about? Again, I didn't click on anything crazy and wild to get there! All i did was type in "porn" and clicked on the very first link that came up.

 

And this is the medium men want to defend. Which is what I don't get. I get why men like sex. I get why men like seeing naked women. I get why it hurts and makes women insecure and I think a man can understand why women question so many things about this topic. I don't get why men choose to put their efforts and their male pride into defending a medium that enjoys displaying women as if they are completely nothing. And I don't get how it;s okay to do this as long as we call it "fantasy". That's "right" to have these ideas, images and treatment of women as long as it's only something men *wished* they could do. That makes no sense.

 

No doubt you understand I will pivot every reason for any issue you have onto parenting being the cause of any development issues. Since parents are in the individuals life more than any other (or should be). They are the only people responsible for the child. Society is not responsible for your child. The state is not responsible for your child. The school system is only responsible for your child at school - and there they are kept safe by blocked computers and safe adult-monitored environments.

 

Oh hogwash! Now you're trying to branch off in tangets that have nothing to do with the topic. This has nothing to do with foisting off responsibility. This about how technology and certain ideologies effect a social society we are all apart of and adhere to certain rules to continue the success of it. If you want to be an island, go ahead. But you don't because for one thing, you are here.

[Jersey Shortie]

I would like to add, that child porn ALONE is a multi-billion dollar industry. And that was in 2005. Do you really think that has dissapted? The fact that people have the internet makes these materials more easy to see to a wider audience and child porn as GROWN with the advent of the internet.

 

And I present this because some people want to act like technology and availability of a produce don't affect soceity. And that's just untrue.

 

If you think more peopel today aren't infact looking at harder core images of women in porn, you are wrong.

[Des]

As mentioned by an earlier poster - we either have to agree with you or you'll write us off which ever way you see fit.

 

I make honest calls. If someone seems ignorant to something I can factually back up, yet they still deny. Especially time and time again... I have little choice. You've proven yourself by shooting me down time and time again, and trying to make me into something you want see me as. Despite what I say, or provide.

 

All porn is bad to you, you made that clear in previous threads. Your refusal to delineate between illegal and free porn here further emphasizes this point. There is no wiggle room with you Des as there wouldn't be with someone with such a black and white outlook. To suggest here, that you're only trying to ban certain types of porn is disingenuous.

 

I disagree with it, yes. So what? I have been clear here, I was clear on the first page. There's nothing to be confused about here. The free porn I'm talking about is illegal, at least, in my country. It is content mostly pirated and distributed through illegal means. Yes, most "free" porn on the Internet is this porn. I'm sorry, but those are the facts.

 

 

Feel free to answer on her behalf, If she's going to bandy the term 'cop out' around then answering porn-related questions, based on her well-known porn views, on yet another porn thread is well within the sphere of things.

 

Is it? Or are you just trying to jumble the discussion and paint Jersey and myself into the corner you want us in, so as to make my post seem absurd and radical, the way you like to make most of the other porn threads seem?

[Woggle]

Child porn in an entirely different thing and people involved in that should be punished harshly. They should be put in general population and get the same treatment pedophiles usually get in prison.