Woggle Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Where do people get this idea that women take better care of themselves? I know so many women who are drunks, heavy smokers and doing every drug they can get their hands on. Substance abuse by women is going way up. It sometimes seems that half the women in this town are cokefiends. Some of these women look used up by the time they hit 25. Add in the fact that many women tan all day and pile on the makeup plus overdo it with the botox and plastic surgery and it is clear women don't all age well. I am not saying that men age better but to act like all women look like roses in old age is absurd.
AD1980 Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 She clearly differentiates between the proverbial "nice guys" and good guys at the beginning of the clip. But I disagree with the early part of the clip. This part is so PUA preachy about "causing interest in women" when overall, there's no way to create interest. The attraction is there or not. Sometimes attraction can build when someone gets to know your personality. But attraction rarely builds if repulsion is there to begin with. I agree..Ive always said if somebody is not attracted to you no amount of personality can make them attracted to you.. Thats why i am not agressive with women i know most wont magically attracted to me by me showing personality.
Cracker Jack Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 I'm not specifically referring to the video, but women in general. A good portion of women don't differentiate nice guys; they group them together as if they're the same. I've seen some women write off a guy due to being "sweet" because they believed he would grow boring. This is solely based off of initial treatment, too. And the same happened to me a good while back, even though I wasn't clingy--or lacked a mind of my own. And yeah, the attraction is either there or non-existent; it doesn't matter if you're a nice or bad guy.
Woggle Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 She is just a model hired to talk the PUA crap to insecure men. The people who run this are like the male version of all these female self help gurus that have turned women into headcases. She is okay looking but she just looks average. There are tons of women that just like her and with the accent I would expect something better.
Woggle Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 I'm not specifically referring to the video, but women in general. A good portion of women don't differentiate nice guys; they group them together as if they're the same. I've seen some women write off a guy due to being "sweet" because they believed he would grow boring. This is solely based off of initial treatment, too. And the same happened to me a good while back, even though I wasn't clingy--or lacked a mind of my own. And yeah, the attraction is either there or non-existent; it doesn't matter if you're a nice or bad guy. A lot of women are headcases. A few weeks ago the Situation from the Jersey Shore show was dancing on a balcony over here with his shirt off and he damned near causes a stampede of adoring women. This is what is considered sexy these days.
Philetus Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Except, this woman seems to be attracted to the player type. The guy only looking for sex with her, until another woman just like her comes along. Obviously, this woman hasn't figured out that the type of man she is attracted to does not want a relationship. I mean, she is still single right? Is she only attracted to a player type? Is she single? I didn't get any indication from the video that either of these was true or false. 'Course, I coulda missed it. I'm only responding to her description of a 'nice guy', a very "B" personality. Someone who is always agreeable, is never assertive, doesn't state an opinion, doesn't take a stand... in short, who wants everyone to like them all the time. I don't see why any woman would want to date someone like that. They may as well get a dog and a vibrator. I have a very good friend, G, who is exactly like this. He's attractive, fairly successful, extremely funny, fairly tall.... he's a catch. But he cannot get a date to save his life. Women want to be his buddy they don't want to date him. He's a doormat and women can smell it. I have no interest in dating a 'nice' girl. They are bland, boring, and forgettable. I like women who are confident, who are comfortable with who they are, and who aren't afraid to disagree with me. That's dynamic and interesting. Of course, I'm the type of person who'd find heaven so boring that it would be like hell.
threebyfate Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 I agree..Ive always said if somebody is not attracted to you no amount of personality can make them attracted to you.. Thats why i am not agressive with women i know most wont magically attracted to me by me showing personality.AD, you give the impression you're not attractive and yet, when we've seen the pics of members like Stockalone, Lakeside and USMCHokie, all three of these members are attractive guys but in different ways. So if you're comparably attractive with your personality, there's no reason not to take a risk. Attractiveness can be so subjective. I've met some killer good-looking men that had attitudes worse than donkey's arses. I've also met some average or ugly men with the same attitudes. All are turn-offs big time. You're not like these guys or at least how you portray yourself on LS, doesn't come close to these misbegotten sons of misbegotten mothers.
Philetus Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 There's really nothing offensive or questionable about that video. The whole message is, learn how to portray yourself in your best and most flattering light, and women are more likely to respond. How many guys here really are going to be attracted to a woman who is ridiculously boring and doesn't have anything else to make up for it? Who here wants to date a woman with nothing interesting to say? There's never been a PUA that has claimed that they can give you the secret to getting EVERY or even the VAST MAJORITY of women. All I see in this thread are a bunch of overly sensitive whiners reading way too much into a video that really only gives a simple message. Nowhere in this video does it say "TURN YOUR PERSONALITY ON IT'S HEAD AND LOSE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT YOUR SOUL." Also, why make so many assumptions about the woman who is lecturing? How do you know whether or not she's single? How do you know she goes for "players" or anything like that? Because she's good looking and looks high maintenance? Thanks for writing that. Saves me the trouble.
AD1980 Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 AD, you give the impression you're not attractive and yet, when we've seen the pics of members like Stockalone, Lakeside and USMCHokie, all three of these members are attractive guys but in different ways. So if you're comparably attractive with your personality, there's no reason not to take a risk. Attractiveness can be so subjective. I've met some killer good-looking men that had attitudes worse than donkey's arses. I've also met some average or ugly men with the same attitudes. All are turn-offs big time. You're not like these guys or at least how you portray yourself on LS, doesn't come close to these misbegotten sons of misbegotten mothers.[ Ehh i just dont think im attractive at all.Got kind of a large nose which is not attractive In 30 years on earth rarely have seen a girl show interest.Never had someone try to set me up while others around me in my social circle have been Things like that make me realize im not physically appealing..
Ocktus Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 The PUA guides and books could pretty much be summed up in a sentence: treat women like they were men with boobs. In other words, don't place them on a pedestal.
TheBigQuestion Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Exactly. There's nothing all that deep or subtle about what's going on in this video. I'm unsure why everyone's being so critical of it.
fishtaco Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Watched halfway through the video, wasn't interested in finishing it unless she undressed while giving the speech. Sounds about right. I think the way she puts it is in a language that some people don't agree with. Words she used were to harsh. But it's pretty much true. Dating IS marketing yourself. Ever heard the term put your best foot forward? Well, if that's not marketing what is it? People just don't like to hear dating and romance systematically broken down and described with clinical and technical terms. It's supposed to be "mysterious and magical". In the video she began with separating nice guys and good guys. Sounds like many discussions I've read here at LS. It's nothing new. And it's probably some marketing scheme for something. Men wrote the speech, and hired a looker to deliver it for extra impact. Basically the same info you can find here on LS, but read to you by an attractive woman. I'm sure she got paid for that gig, I doubt those are her own words.
sweetjasmine Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Really? Women's power is primarily in how she looks. Which is exactly why so many people in this thread have commented on the woman's looks, breasts, and sex life instead of what she's actually saying. And yet a lot of people turn around and say "that's not true!" whenever someone complains about women being judged and defined primarily by their appearance.
somedude81 Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 I think she's pretty hot about an 8.5 Before people get upset they need to understand what her definition of a nice guys is. She says a nice guy is somebody who "Doesn't challenge the girl, his opinion is her opinion, he complies with her, everything she wants he complies with her. He never makes sexual escalation, ever. He could never make sexual escalation, it would ruin everything, cause he is coming across as a nice guy." "He presents no challenge and he's completely apologetic." Obviously those are terrible things to be. It makes perfect sense why a girl wouldn't like a 'nice guy.'
4givrnt4gtr Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 . I'm only responding to her description of a 'nice guy', a very "B" personality. Someone who is always agreeable, is never assertive, doesn't state an opinion, doesn't take a stand... in short, who wants everyone to like them all the time. I don't see why any woman would want to date someone like that. T ) I have yet to meet a man like this. I am one to believe that these "nice" men who are so very agreeable are just insecure. Just like the chick said, they are too afraid to show their actual personality in fear they will get rejected so they just play what they think the girl will like. And that they can't get a date? Not true....it actually depends on the guy. A guy who is insecure for some ungodly reason but underneath that insecurity he has a lot to give and show for himself can get a date/ relationship with a woman who is observant enough to realize this and patient enough for his insecurity. Soon enough his actual personality surfaces and its all good from there. Now a "nice" guy who is actually more of a pain in the ass, and is always crying woe is me the world hates me and loves to hide under that....those are the ones who have problems.....ughhh i cant count the times I gave one of these nice guys half a chance and they had me running for the hills when they began their lethany about how women are this and that and how their bosses hate them and how their lives are miserable, and its not their fault...yuk!
Woggle Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 I never meant to say that all women have to offer is looks but for many of these women who overestimate their value and feel that they entitled to the perfect man is all they have to offer. They are lacking in every other area in many cases and any man knows that the hottest woman in the world can lose her appeal if she has an intolerable personality. People wonder why all these attractive women are unlucky in love and it could be because they never developed their other assets.
Chicago_Guy Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Where do you get that idea from? Women age far better than men do. Women live longer. Time is definitely on the female side. Women do show their age before men, at least in terms of loss of elasticity in their skin. We all have a protein called "collagen" in our skin that helps to repair damaged skin. After a certain age, the total amount of collagen in our skin starts to permanently decrease as a result, skin damage and wrinkles start to show. There are many studies that show that the typical woman naturally loses collagen faster than the typical man. See: http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/523966/
Woggle Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Women in the past have lived longer but do you really think women today with their habits won't catch up?
Author Sivok Posted June 12, 2010 Author Posted June 12, 2010 The reason women focus and emphasize their looks so much is because that's the primary aspect men will judge her by. If we're showing articles, here's one stating how a man judges a woman in mere milliseconds of first seeing her: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7819729/Why-men-will-judge-a-woman-in-milliseconds.html Looks may not be everything, but society and the media strongly suggests that it may as well just be 90% of it all.
sagetalk Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 The reason women focus and emphasize their looks so much is because that's the primary aspect men will judge her by. If we're showing articles, here's one stating how a man judges a woman in mere milliseconds of first seeing her: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7819729/Why-men-will-judge-a-woman-in-milliseconds.html Looks may not be everything, but society and the media strongly suggests that it may as well just be 90% of it all. Men judge based on looks (fitness, hair, eyes, smile) Women judge based on actions (bold, timid, shy, fear, confident, cocky, funny) If you ask me, they are both equally shallow and are terrible measures of choosing a great life partner.
summerl0vesyou Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 what i find most interesting are the self righteous guys that SAY they are nice and then act like a dickwad. Come on, really.
Yamaha Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 The reason women focus and emphasize their looks so much is because that's the primary aspect men will judge her by. If we're showing articles, here's one stating how a man judges a woman in mere milliseconds of first seeing her: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7819729/Why-men-will-judge-a-woman-in-milliseconds.html Looks may not be everything, but society and the media strongly suggests that it may as well just be 90% of it all. This evolutionary tale of men looking at a women and being able to tell if she is a good mate is just BS. The only thing he can tell is if he finds her attractive. He has no idea if she is a good mate, can't even tell if she is good in bed. The same applies to women taking much longer to decide if the man is a good mate. Women make up their minds on if your a bf or a friend material in mere minutes of meeting as well.
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