Is prositition being illegal/frowned upon the reason why women hold so much power?

June 8, 2010

Serious question here.

Yes, I already know that although prostitution is illegal that lots of guys go out and get it anyway. But the problem here is that I would say that if prostitution was completely legal that at least 10x the men would go out and get it every once in awhile while single.

There is also the shame part of getting a prostitute. In this country, you are looked down on for "having" to get a prostitute while in lots of other countries where its legal there is no shame of going to the red light district if you strike out at the bars for the night.

Because of this, I think, women really have men by the balls in this country. They have the power to completely lock you out of any kind of sexual encounters (if you want to remain a law abiding citizen) if you don't meet their long laundry list of demands.

Also, do you notice how in most other countries where prostitution is legal, they don't really have the dating problems we have? Think most Asian countries and Latin countries. Most women over there are lining up for decent guys and they don't need to be male models to make them happy.

Just a thought after spending the better part of a day doing some research.

June 8, 2010

I don't think the majority of women think about things in terms of "locking you out of any kind of sexual encounters".

Those that do have issues.

June 8, 2010

In this country, you are looked down on for "having" to get a prostitute while in lots of other countries where its legal there is no shame of going to the red light district if you strike out at the bars for the night.

I have lived in countries with legal red light districts, and I can assure you that most people think guys who visit hookers are creepy or losers.

June 8, 2010

It is part of the reason but the religious right also looks down on it. It is ironic how feminists and the religious right find themselves on the same side on many issues. Sometimes I think feminists want to ban anything that men enjoy.

June 8, 2010

Just a thought after spending the better part of a day doing some research.

So did you find any good cheap hookers in your area?

How was the experience?

June 8, 2010

It is part of the reason but the religious right also looks down on it. It is ironic how feminists and the religious right find themselves on the same side on many issues. Sometimes I think feminists want to ban anything that men enjoy.

More like they want to make themselves the gatekeepers to everything.

I mean, is we want to get all primitive like women claim they want, whats wrong with me using my superior financial capability to procure sex? Hell, why not use my superior long term earning potential to get a woman for a relationship? I'm just using my genetic resources (intelligence) to pass on my generation. Just like male models use their genetics to get the same thing.

Yet, because of feminist and the religious right, it's use your looks to get women but it's looked down upon to use your financial resources to get women.

June 8, 2010

It is part of the reason but the religious right also looks down on it. It is ironic how feminists and the religious right find themselves on the same side on many issues. Sometimes I think feminists want to ban anything that men enjoy.

If that was true all sports would be banned lol

June 8, 2010

but it's looked down upon to use your financial resources to get women.

Many men strive for wealth b/c it will provide them the type of woman they want ( but probably couldn't get without it ). I don't think people look down on wealthy men having a star gf/wife. He had a goal and used his logic to provide that goal.

June 8, 2010

If that was true all sports would be banned lol

The only reason they don't ban sports is because more and more women are getting into them.

June 8, 2010

The only reason they don't ban sports is because more and more women are getting into them.

I really hope you're just trolling.

June 8, 2010

Yes, I purposely lock men out of sexual encounters with me if they do not meet the following demands:

1) must treat me with respect and kindness

2) much be attractive to me, which entails basic hygiene and knowing how not to look like an idiot

3) a connection formed between the two of us based on mutual enjoyment and respect.

These are very grave demands and nearly impossible to meet, I am so sorry that I alone and responsible for the continued involuntary celibacy of so many men around the world. I am powerful indeed.

June 8, 2010

women really have men by the balls in this country. They have the power to completely lock you out of any kind of sexual encounters (if you want to remain a law abiding citizen) if you don't meet their long laundry list of demands.

Like what "demands?" That you talk to them, treat them kindly, show them a good time? The horror!

And what what is your proposed alternative, that women be required to give men sex on demand? Your arguement goes nowhere. It is just more whining from a resentful, sexually frustrated guy who hates women.

Also, do you notice how in most other countries where prostitution is legal, they don't really have the dating problems we have? Think most Asian countries and Latin countries. Most women over there are lining up for decent guys and they don't need to be male models to make them happy.

This is just false.

First of all, which Asian and/or Latin countries are you talking about? If you mean Thailand or Costa Rica, many women--including children--are sold like chattel. They have no rights, no options. They either sell their bodies or go hungry. There's no real "dating" in Thailand, for example. You either get married, visit prostitutes, or get a mistress. Or, if you're rich enough, all three.

Ever walk along a beach in Southern Thailand? I have. You see swarms of fat, sweaty, middle-aged European men ambling along with their arms around 16 year old girls. Is that you vision of paradise? Maybe it is.

On the other hand, if you look at Japan or Argentina, you'll find the majority of people have relationships more or less similar to those in the US or Europe. Prostitution exists, but it isn't the norm.

June 8, 2010

I think prostitution does keep women's expectations and control of men in check though by giving men options, at least a little bit. Furthermore, areas where prostitution and porn is readily available have much lower crime rates. The flip side is places like China where men are so frustrated they're going into grade schools and killing kids to weed out competition, or they shoot up an aerobics class.

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/worlds-biggest-dick-farm-goes-nuts/

On another note, if you support abortion by default you support prostitution, assuming you actually follow the logic. After all it's "her body, her choice".

Edited June 8, 2010 by BS76

June 8, 2010

Serious question here.

Yes, I already know that although prostitution is illegal that lots of guys go out and get it anyway. But the problem here is that I would say that if prostitution was completely legal that at least 10x the men would go out and get it every once in awhile while single.

WRONG. Guys who want to pay for sex do so. Ever looked at Craigslist?

There is also the shame part of getting a prostitute. In this country, you are looked down on for "having" to get a prostitute while in lots of other countries where its legal there is no shame of going to the red light district if you strike out at the bars for the night.

In what other countries have you experienced prostitution? When you were "shamed" because you did so here in the US & A (where I assume you reside), who did the "shaming"? Your mom? Why did you tell?

And, if you never actually had such an experience, as I suspect, then you know not what you're talking about. Again.

Because of this, I think, women really have men by the balls in this country. They have the power to completely lock you out of any kind of sexual encounters (if you want to remain a law abiding citizen) if you don't meet their long laundry list of demands.

You're warped. If you want to use the services of a ho, go do so. Some powerful woman's "laundry list of demands" won't come into play at all, unless you've suddenly become attached.

Also, do you notice how in most other countries where prostitution is legal, they don't really have the dating problems we have? Think most Asian countries and Latin countries. Most women over there are lining up for decent guys and they don't need to be male models to make them happy.

Yes, it's just lovely in those countries, especially the ones where tourists go to "experience" child prostitutes, or where the prostitution trade is run by organized crime and human trafficking abounds. By the way, the only Asian countries where prostitution is legal are Hong Kong, India, Macau, Singapore, Timor-Leste, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Israel.

I can see the appeal for a fellow like yourself. You should absolutely go where women are oppressed and you won't have the trouble you are having with "powerful" women and perhaps some downtrodden lass will indeed scoop up all the wonderful qualities you have to offer. Starting with your great personality, love for women and encompassing world view.

On the other hand, prostitution is legal in Canada and the UK. I bet you would have similar "dating" issues with non-prostitutes in those countries as you have here. Basically, you seem to hate women, and the only possible reasons that you strike out with them are that you are short or that they are heinous ball breakers. Hm.

FYI, I am in favor of legal prostitution. I'm NOT in favor of others making money and victimizing women who go that route, which unfortunately is the case in many, many situations whether prostitution is legal or not.

Just a thought after spending the better part of a day doing some research.

Yes, it's pathetically easy for any one at all to find "information" to back up any half baked position that one decides to take.

June 8, 2010

More like they want to make themselves the gatekeepers to everything.

I mean, is we want to get all primitive like women claim they want, whats wrong with me using my superior financial capability to procure sex? Hell, why not use my superior long term earning potential to get a woman for a relationship? I'm just using my genetic resources (intelligence) to pass on my generation. Just like male models use their genetics to get the same thing.

Yet, because of feminist and the religious right, it's use your looks to get women but it's looked down upon to use your financial resources to get women.

Pretty much agree.

Many men strive for wealth b/c it will provide them the type of woman they want ( but probably couldn't get without it ). I don't think people look down on wealthy men having a star gf/wife. He had a goal and used his logic to provide that goal.

That's very true and is the underpinnings of our civilization. When men's procurement of resources no longer bear fruit then you get what we're starting to see today, sometimes referred to as Peter Pan Syndrome.

Edited June 8, 2010 by BS76

June 8, 2010

I think prostitution does keep women's expectations and control of men in check though by giving men options, at least a little bit. Furthermore, areas where prostitution and porn is readily available have much lower crime rates. The flip side is places like China where men are so frustrated they're going into grade schools and killing kids to weed out competition, or they shoot up an aerobics class.

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/worlds-biggest-dick-farm-goes-nuts/

On another note, if you support abortion by default you support prostitution, assuming you actually follow the logic. After all it's "her body, her choice".

The whole premise as presented by the OP is flawed.

He bascially argues that by having the power to refuse to have sex with men, women wield some kind of unholy power over the male population, a power that men should try and keep in check.

That's like saying straight men wield too much power over gay men because straight men, who are 90% of the male population, won't have sex with them.

Sorry, but I don't see it. The fact a woman won't sleep with you doesn't mean she has "power" over you. It just means she has power over her own body, the right to decide who she'll have sex with and who she won't. How can that be unfair?

June 8, 2010

I have to admit, I'd be curious to see how relationships/dating would change here if prostitution were legal.

June 8, 2010

It's not that China's women are all up tight, it's the fact that there aren't that many young women there. Just once, instead of using the Google to look for porn or hookers, do some actual research for once. Remember back in the day, oh a few years ago, you could only have one child in China. China still being tied to a lot of old school ideals, the male child was more desirable to keep the family name alive. Therefore, so many more males were born or allowed to live. Unfortunately, that school of thought as turned that country into a veritable sausage fest. The numbers are around 120 men for 100 women.

I don't see how violence is lower in areas with prostitution. Unless you are an absolute social retard, there's these things called Pimps. Usually the hooker gets the crap slapped out of her if she's not making money for her pimp. Porn is readily available in the US, and we have violence. Porn is even more widely available in Japan and women have been basicly forced to ride in separate subway cars due to all of the horney sickos playing grab-ass on the train. Porn and hookers lead to bending of social norms. Look at it now. Every male assumes it's okay to blow his load in a girls face, because all the porn stars do it so females must love it.

I'd love to see a feminist rally calling for more porn and hookers.

June 8, 2010

I have to admit, I'd be curious to see how relationships/dating would change here if prostitution were legal.

I doubt they would change much at all, at least in the US.

Contrary to what the OP thinks, the key here is not the legal status of prostitution, but the degree of sexual freedom enjoyed by women who are not prostitutes.

Prostitution, legal or not, exist everywhere in the world. But it is FAR more prevelant in societies where women's sexual freedom outside of marriage is limited. Men in places like Thailand, India, and even rural Mexico frequent prostitutes because they have no choice. Women simply are not allowed to have sex outside of marriage.

I have traveled throughout Mexico and Thailand and can tell you that while the smallest Thai village or the most remote Mexican town may not have a school, a bank, or even a post office, they all have brothels. Usually several. In Linares, Mexico--a town of 40,000--an entire street was lined end to end with puterias (brothels). Because mujeres decentes (decent women) were supposed to be virgins until marriage, young men had no other way of getting their sexual needs met.

June 8, 2010

I doubt they would change much at all, at least in the US.

Contrary to what the OP thinks, the key here is not the legal status of prostitution, but the degree of sexual freedom enjoyed by women who are not prostitutes.

Prostitution, legal or not, exist everywhere in the world. But it is FAR more prevelant in societies where women's sexual freedom outside of marriage is limited. Men in places like Thailand, India, and even rural Mexico frequent prostitutes because they have no choice. Women simply are not allowed to have sex outside of marriage.

I have traveled throughout Mexico and Thailand and can tell you that while the smallest Thai village or the most remote Mexican town may not have a school, a bank, or even a post office, they all have brothels. Usually several. In Linares, Mexico--a town of 40,000--an entire street was lined end to end with puterias (brothels). Because mujeres decentes (decent women) were supposed to be virgins until marriage, young men had no other way of getting their sexual needs met.

How many of those women in the brothels are forced into it? You can go ahead and be happy with your sloppy thousands with hookers. The fact that you can't even score the fat girl at closing time in a bar is funny.

Any man, in any culture, who can only get laid if he pays for it is a loser. Plain and simple. Always will be a loser. Any man who thinks sex with a hooker is where it's at, has obviously made love to a girl he loves. I'm sure it's fun being with someone who can't remember your name, has little to zero tread left on her tires, and is only into you as long as she's on the clock.

June 8, 2010

Any man, in any culture, who can only get laid if he pays for it is a loser. Plain and simple.

I promise you, it's not that simple. I understand that unless you've spent time in a cultural setting where women aren't allowed to have sex outside of marriage, what I am saying may seem unbelievable. But it is absolutely true.

Let me go back to my example of Linares, in Nuevo Leon, Mexico. As I said, it is a town of about 40,000 people. And they ALL know each other. No joke. Everybody knows everybody there, and everybody knows everbody else's business.

There is no way a young woman in Linares could, for example, be seen leaving a bar with a man and not have it all over town within a day or two. NO WAY. And once word of what she'd done had gotten out, her life would OVER.

Her father would throw her out of the house and out of the family, probably after beating her within an inch of her life. If she had any brothers, they'd probably beat her up, too. Other girls would avoid her like she had leprosy. So would their families. If she tried to go to school, she'd have no peace. The boys would harass her endlessly, and she might even be raped. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

In an atmosphere like that, prostitution flourishes. It has to. In a place like that, a guy who visits prostitutes is not a "loser." He's normal. In fact, there's a good chance the first time her ever went to a brothel, he went with his father.

June 8, 2010

I think even if it was legal, it wouldn't necessarily be more accepted. A man that has to pay for sex is pretty unflattering. Lets be honest, both men and women are better for learning and having strong relationsihps with the opposite sex. Now men can go on about how they pay these women to leave and puff out their chests, but no man is an island. You can pay people to come and visit but at the end of the day when they leave, you are all alone with nothing of real value to show but a more empty wallet. Women respect men that respect women and take the time to interact and get to know them. Women don't respect men that pay for sex. Its not that hard to understand why. Even some men don't respect men that pay for sex. It says something dysfuncational about how he interacts with women.

June 8, 2010

I can't imagine ever paying for sex, but it should be legal and regulated anyway.

June 8, 2010

Because of this, I think, women really have men by the balls in this country. They have the power to completely lock you out of any kind of sexual encounters (if you want to remain a law abiding citizen) if you don't meet their long laundry list of demands.

Also, do you notice how in most other countries where prostitution is legal, they don't really have the dating problems we have? Think most Asian countries and Latin countries. Most women over there are lining up for decent guys and they don't need to be male models to make them happy.

Aren't the prostitutes you expect hetero men to visit also women?

And then there is the myth of the submissive exotic woman because all women from non-Western countries is exactly the same. They don't care about looks, compatability or charecter, they're just happy to be around any half-way decent guy.

The reason I'm againist legalizing prositution is that legalization has been shown to increase forced prositution. If it is legal, you can hide women who are forced into sex work in plain sight.

http://www.examiner.com/x-24740-Human-Rights-Examiner~y2010m5d26-Germans-legalized-prostitution-brought-more-exploitation-than-emancipation-of-women

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1037&context=humtraffdata

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20091204-183926.html

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1998/jan/21/pimps-force-underage-girls-to-work-in-nevada-broth/

But really, most men don't want to sleep with pros, they want to be desired.

June 8, 2010

OpenGL your problem is that you allow your friends and family to limit your options with women.

If you want to buy a mail order bride, then do it. If you want sleep with a whore, go for it.

You don't want to buy a mail order bride because you think your friends and family would shame you? That makes you weak imo. Your a grown man, but mommy has decided that you can't buy a bride? C'mon. Go sleep with a hot high priced escort. No one is stopping you. Society can't shame you unless you allow it. There are plenty of ways to sleep with a whore legally. It's done all over the U.S every day.

- Mail order bride - mommy says no.

- Hot whore - but I feel shame in my tummy.

Are you kidding me? I'm starting to see the root of your troubles with women. Yes I know I'm not quoting you, but this is how your posts are coming off to me. Go get what you want. If women are shooting you down, then buy a hot mail order bride.

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