Jersey Shortie Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 I have no more control over what I am attracted to any more or less than any other guy. The difference is I don't base it solely on looks. I think we all understand that people can't control what they are attracted to. However, without saying it outright, you are basically saying that men can't help what they like and then you critize women that elect to have surgery to fit into a mold that men infact do pay attention to and praise. You mentioned you liked Megan Fox. Girl has had alot of work done, nose, face re-sculpting, implants..etc. etc...who knows what else. Here is a before and after that i've posted before but incase you missed it. http://28.media.tumblr.com/pU1p3ehaPpn86phlqAWPtJFwo1_500.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PMd6M7uXVDs/StOXsqeZecI/AAAAAAAACOQ/LOJQl9TDaoQ/s320/Megan-Fox-20090726045617.jpg Now she is pretty before but would she have accumulated the level of popularity she has with men in the before picture? I am not so sure she would have. It's not like she is a great actress. It's churlish to tell women that they get surgery to merely compete with other women out of pettiness while saying "men can't help...." what they are attracted to. It's okay for men to be attracted to implants it's just not okay for women to feel like they need them to be more of the type of women men visually find appealing? What kind of logic is that? Again, you can't tell someone what they should like or dislike anymore than you can tell him (or her) what foods they should like or dislike. It's an internal mechanism. Again, what it seems you're indirectly saying is that men can't help but be attracted to certain "attributes" but women are petty and competitive for working to attain the exact attributes you credit men not being able to control they like. We all get it, men are internally attracted to certain attributes of women. However, what the media has presented is "normal" when it comes to women, clearly isn't. Even you buy into it because you find Megan Fox attracted. I am not saying you should or shouldn't be attracted to her. My only point is that you make pretty strong comments about women that subcumb to plastic surgery yet admit yuor own attraction to a woman that's had alot of work done. A good Personality is much more valuable to me than just Good Looks. I have no doubt it is. However, that doesn't change the fact that men put certain women on a pedestal for their beauty. And too often, these women are repersented in the media and are a big "man-made". Our idea of what a woman is, is twisted often times. When perfectly good looking girls like Megan Fox feel the need to get more surgery. And while I think women have responsiblity to themselves and their daughters to install more self confidence, we can't do it alone. If your man, your husband, your father or brother are oggling girls that look a certain way, are looking at porn, are making careless comments about other girls; women pick up on these things. You can't expect women to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and tell men "they can't help it." And there is no where for a woman to get around or away from it because husbands, fathers, brothers, boyfriends bring this stuff right into the home in the modern age. Again, I don't think women get implants to win a man, I think they do it more or less to beat out OTHER women they are competition with. Whether it to get a man, get a job, star in a movie or TV, etc. It's an internal mechanism that drives it to COMPETE. At least, that's how I see it. Maybe not everyone agrees but that's my $0.02. Of course women get implants to win men. And it works. And competition with other women is clearly a part of that. What are women competing for? Male validation and attention so that they can go on to have those things all girls and women want. Love, sex, a strong relationship and maybe a family and general success. You seem to want to ignore the part men play. I don't like that at all because it speaks of a lack of accountability for the role men play in the world. Maxim and TV are only a fraction of society that says getting implants is the way to go. You can not place this solely on men and say it's a man's fault for women getting implants. It's men AND women who push this. Totally agree that women and men push it and buy into it. Women clearly have their own responsibility in that. I jsut think women would fair better if they had men that actually were there for them instead of telling women they need to be the strong ones while they oggle images of Megan Fox. That's why I will not elect to get implants. But I also am not looking at pictures of other women with implants and giving them attention. That's not something many men can claim. The message men send is convoluted. Sorry, I'm just not buying this. Men that I know, personal friends and acquaintances have said more than once that getting breast implants is unnecessary. They are not telling women to do it, it's a woman wanting to "win out" that drives them. It's ads on TV, Magazines, radio shows, etc. You arne't buying one? that implants infact does give a woman more attention and oppurtunity? But you clearly agreed that it does. Men might say with their mouths that it's unnecessary but they make a much bigger statment with their eyes. The real question is "Did you see what's on the inside." To me if you really want the RIGHT person in your life then you put your opinion based on the entire package, not just what it's wrapped in. This goes for both men and women. Yes, this is of course true. But in the real world, men are easily swayed and lulled by shiney objects. And the shiner the woman is, the more attention and oppurtunities she gets. 3. No I do not fantasize about women. I did when I was a young lad but haven't done so in about 15 years. Why? Hmmm, I think Megan is attractive on the outside but internally she is a gigantic DUD (her personality pisses many people off and I feel the same way). Does that make me bad too? So be it. Who said you were "bad" for anything? What is it with you and this word? It doesn't make you bad. It does however send a conflicting message. By the way, glad to see you are the mend and that you're safe and happy.
stillafool Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 so if i'm 5'6, how tall would a girl have to be in order to still be shorter than me when she is wearing heals? 5'3"-5'4".
stillafool Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 I don't find almost any models attractive, and taller is 6'0 over to me. Good for you, but alot of men do.
AD1980 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Right. All those short models are proof of this. I dont see whats so hot about malnourished women with the bodies of an 8 year old boy
Engadget Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Good for you, but alot of men do. Yeah I don't like tall, skinny women. Look at women in the WNBA, there's almost no good looking ones. Only tall athelete I've seen that's hot is Jenny Finch the softball player, she's over 6'0'' and gorgeous.
CaliGuy Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Men are in a similar boat, but I honestly think women are judged by their appearance more often and more harshly than men are -- by both men and women. Not disagreeing. It's more than just a cheesy ad. Do you know how many ads the average American is exposed to in a single day? Literally thousands. And advertising isn't the sole source of this. It only helps perpetuate and spread standards of beauty and the message that beauty determines a woman's worth. It takes a considerable amount of active effort for a woman to ignore all of that. To be honest, I don't think people who haven't grown up with all of this can really understand what it's like to be bombarded over and over with it. I see these ads every day, both targeted at women and men. Do you know what I do? I IGNORE it. I am not defined by an ad. I am defined by who *I* think that I am and that is all that matters. [quoe]Dude. I'm not disagreeing with you on what's actually important. I'm just saying it isn't so easy for people to ignore pressures to conform to certain beauty standards. I know plenty of women who have healthy self-esteem, but they're still affected by it. Let me just give you an example. I'm happy with my body the way it is and would never dream of getting breast implants. Ever. But you know what? While I was growing up, my brothers constantly made obnoxious comments about my body and how I was flat as a table. Of course I was flat as a table. I was f-ing 12 years old and had just started growing. They were teenagers and didn't know any better, but where'd they get the idea that it was an insult to tell a girl that her breasts are tiny? That's boys being boys. The bigger question is why do you let it bother you? Instead of accepting any pot shots at you, why not give them back a little bit of what they're dishing out to you? See what I am saying? It's not hard to get past the bullcrap that is spread every single day. The question is "WHY" do you have to take it? You don't! Hell I have women give me crap from time to time, I simply shoot right back at them and it becomes more of a term of affection than a round of insults. And yeah, your brothers were being jackasses but my family was exactly the same way towards each other. In the end, we still loved each other deeply no matter what. And since that age until the present, I've gotten to hear all sorts of stupid comments from men and women about how women with smaller breasts aren't as womanly or attractive. I've had catty b-tches make snide remarks to me about my size because I'm barely a B cup and not a DD. I've watched guys stare at women with big breasts and run after them. I've tried on clothes and had them fit funny because they're made for women with bigger breasts. And that's not mentioning the advertisements and other cultural pressures I've been exposed to. I'll tell you something about me. I love small breasts. I don't know why, but I think I prefer them far more than huge baloons. My point is, not every guy is going to think that you need breasts implants and the ones who think that you DO need them are not a friend of yours and is not someone who should matter in your life. So even though I'm happy with my body as it is and even though I'm with a partner who loves every inch of it, I'm still conscious of the fact that according to most people, my breasts are sub-par, and I'm reminded of it fairly regularly, like every time I try to go bra shopping and find that every single bra with the right band size is a cup or two too big. And it's in my face every time I turn on the stupid TV. It doesn't make me hate my body or feel like less of a person, but it's always there. But your breast size doesn't DEFINE you. That is what I want you and anyone else who feels the pressure of ads, men catting or other women saying you are sub-par. You are NOT and never will. The parts of a body doesn't define who the person is. It's what's INSIDE that really makes you a person. I think we all understand that people can't control what they are attracted to. However, without saying it outright, you are basically saying that men can't help what they like and then you critize women that elect to have surgery to fit into a mold that men infact do pay attention to and praise. Yes, Fox is attractive on the outside. On the inside she is one of the WORST people I know and I would never, ever date her (regardless of what other people think). I could take her crap for about 5 minutes before I booted her arse out of there. You mentioned you liked Megan Fox. Girl has had alot of work done, nose, face re-sculpting, implants..etc. etc...who knows what else. Here is a before and after that i've posted before but incase you missed it. http://28.media.tumblr.com/pU1p3ehaPpn86phlqAWPtJFwo1_500.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PMd6M7uXVDs/StOXsqeZecI/AAAAAAAACOQ/LOJQl9TDaoQ/s320/Megan-Fox-20090726045617.jpg Now she is pretty before but would she have accumulated the level of popularity she has with men in the before picture? I am not so sure she would have. It's not like she is a great actress. She's not a great actress. I think Kate Beckinsale is far better actress than Megan Fox. Megan Fox is good to look at, but nothing more. It's churlish to tell women that they get surgery to merely compete with other women out of pettiness while saying "men can't help...." what they are attracted to. It's okay for men to be attracted to implants it's just not okay for women to feel like they need them to be more of the type of women men visually find appealing? What kind of logic is that? Where are women coming up with the reasons for getting surgery? It's not mainly men, it's OTHER WOMEN they compete with that helps push that desire for surgery. Hell, I know a lot of women who get it just to make THEMSELVES feel complete. You can not put this on men and say it's all "men's fault" because frankly you're way off base. Again, what it seems you're indirectly saying is that men can't help but be attracted to certain "attributes" but women are petty and competitive for working to attain the exact attributes you credit men not being able to control they like. We all get it, men are internally attracted to certain attributes of women. However, what the media has presented is "normal" when it comes to women, clearly isn't. Even you buy into it because you find Megan Fox attracted. I am not saying you should or shouldn't be attracted to her. My only point is that you make pretty strong comments about women that subcumb to plastic surgery yet admit yuor own attraction to a woman that's had alot of work done. Like I said, she's decent to look at but not worth much past that. Just read some of her comments about the Director of Transformers. She's a self-absorbed b*tch and someone I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my time on her. Does that mean that all the surgery matters to me? Not really. I'd rather have an average looking Megan Fox with a great attitude than a super-hot chick with a bad attitude. There's just no time or space in my life for that crap. EVER. And before you say it, YES, I have told hot women in my life to "beat it" and I'll do it again if it ever happens. I just won't put up with bad attitudes. I have no doubt it is. However, that doesn't change the fact that men put certain women on a pedestal for their beauty. And too often, these women are repersented in the media and are a big "man-made". Our idea of what a woman is, is twisted often times. When perfectly good looking girls like Megan Fox feel the need to get more surgery. And while I think women have responsiblity to themselves and their daughters to install more self confidence, we can't do it alone. If your man, your husband, your father or brother are oggling girls that look a certain way, are looking at porn, are making careless comments about other girls; women pick up on these things. You can't expect women to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and tell men "they can't help it." And there is no where for a woman to get around or away from it because husbands, fathers, brothers, boyfriends bring this stuff right into the home in the modern age. Again, who defines what a woman is? The woman herself or OTHER people? See, the man problem isn't with society itself (yes, it's PART of the problem) it's simply that some people easily succumb to peer pressure rather than looking within and defining who they are themselves. Of course women get implants to win men. And it works. And competition with other women is clearly a part of that. What are women competing for? Male validation and attention so that they can go on to have those things all girls and women want. Love, sex, a strong relationship and maybe a family and general success. You seem to want to ignore the part men play. I don't like that at all because it speaks of a lack of accountability for the role men play in the world. I totally agree than men have a part to play. I just don't think it's nearly as big a part as you believe. Totally agree that women and men push it and buy into it. Women clearly have their own responsibility in that. I jsut think women would fair better if they had men that actually were there for them instead of telling women they need to be the strong ones while they oggle images of Megan Fox. That's why I will not elect to get implants. But I also am not looking at pictures of other women with implants and giving them attention. That's not something many men can claim. The message men send is convoluted. Women have had men there before and there are often times they will ignore what a GOOD man says and do what "society" tells them to do. Then, they'll walk away from the good guy who loves them for who they are to go chase down some idiotic man who tells them they need to "go get hot". See, I am just not buying that it's men who define what women do to their bodies. I think it's women that do it themselves. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and saying "Do it or else!" -- it's how they define THEMSELVES that determines whether they get surgery or not. It's the same women who get this plastic surgery who turn around and say "I want a man who's 6' or taller!" -- and the reason they feel it's OK to be blunt about it is they've spent the time and money to overly make themselves up. You can not say this is soley on men because it's just not true. You arne't buying one? that implants infact does give a woman more attention and oppurtunity? But you clearly agreed that it does. Men might say with their mouths that it's unnecessary but they make a much bigger statment with their eyes. You'll never see me staring down a woman with fake boobs. It's just not me and it's not what defines me as a man or what is attractive about a woman. Keep in mind, I am running around now with a huge scar on my head from surgery. Do you think that's attractive? I don't believe it changes me at all because who I am on the inside has NEVER changed. I personally think it's going to push more and more women away from me. Does it matter? Nope. All I think is that it will greatly push away the kind of self-absorbed, pain in the arse kind of woman that I want NOTHING to do with. And that's OK with me
Jersey Shortie Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Megan Fox is good to look at, but nothing more. Where are women coming up with the reasons for getting surgery? It's not mainly men, it's OTHER WOMEN they compete with that helps push that desire for surgery. Hell, I know a lot of women who get it just to make THEMSELVES feel complete. You can not put this on men and say it's all "men's fault" because frankly you're way off base. These two comments are interesting. On one had, you like Megan Fox physically and have no issues oggling her right? But on the other hand, you make this case that it's women only that proliferate ideals about the female body. When you, a man, are giving props to a woman that has had nuerous surgeries to look like that. Yeah, keep telling yourself that men don't contribute anything to this issue. If men liked women with real bodies more, women wouldn't be striving to have fake boobs. Women do what draws male attention. By the way, you continue to hold onto false comments CaliGuy. Where did I say it was "all men's fault". Why do you keep pulling out these liners that we are saying men are "bad" or that it's "all" their fault? Did you fail to read the part where I said women have a responsibility to themselves? Or do you choose to ignore that to make a case out of the "all men's faults" comments so that you don't honestly have to discuss the ways men contribute to the issue? Let me say it again because you continue to be very fuzzy on this part. No one is saying men are "bad' or that it's "all" men's fault. What is being said is that it is 100% hypocritical to sit there and say "boys will be boys" or "men can't help what they are attracted to, and sit there and tell women that it's out of their own petty competiviness that there is only an issue. You justify what men are attracted to. YOu justify being attracted to a surgically enhanced Megan Fox. But you critize women for making surgical enhancements. Men can't-help-themselves atittudes really blow. And men that hold women to a higher standard of not being swayed by the media then they hold themselves are hypocrites. Like I said, she's decent to look at but not worth much past that. Just read some of her comments about the Director of Transformers. She's a self-absorbed b*tch and someone I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my time on her. Does that mean that all the surgery matters to me? Not really. Micheal Bay is know for being quite misgnositic toward female actresses. Not just her. She actually stood up for herself there. I'd rather have an average looking Megan Fox with a great attitude than a super-hot chick with a bad attitude That's what your lips say but when the super hot Megan Fox walks by while your with your average girlfriend the eyes say differently. Men speak a big game but when it comes to delivering the message, they often falter. So you can sit there and call her derogatory names and mock her at the same time you take visual pleasure for looking at her. Again, who defines what a woman is? The woman herself or OTHER people? See, the man problem isn't with society itself (yes, it's PART of the problem) it's simply that some people easily succumb to peer pressure rather than looking within and defining who they are themselves. I totally agree than men have a part to play. I just don't think it's nearly as big a part as you believe. On a personal level, each indivdual defines who they are. Society wise? Men and women define what it takes to be a woman or man. There is a gold standard set up by the media about what it takes to be a woman. And when men like you react to the attractiviness of women like Megan Fox who are surgically enhanced, it sends a clear message about what defines a woman to men. See, I am just not buying that it's men who define what women do to their bodies. I think it's women that do it themselves. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and saying "Do it or else!" -- it's how they define THEMSELVES that determines whether they get surgery or not. No, because admitting the role men play would mean having accountability and men do not often want to have acconutablity for their sexuality. Your over extreme phrases such as "men are bad", "it's all men's fault", "holding a gun to their head", is a careful ruse to deflect the topic at hand and over exploit what is being said. You can not say this is soley on men because it's just not true. Where did I say it was soley on men? Oy. You'll never see me staring down a woman with fake boobs. It's just not me and it's not what defines me as a man or what is attractive about a woman. Megan Fox as fake boobs Caliguy. Keep in mind, I am running around now with a huge scar on my head from surgery. Do you think that's attractive? I don't believe it changes me at all because who I am on the inside has NEVER changed. Men aren't held to the same standard of looks. They never will be either. Men care about looks first, then the inside. And if you are out with your guy, it's not uncommon to see men eying up other women even though they are out with their women or families.
littlelisa30 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 I'm only 5'1 but I do prefer taller guys (but your height would be just fine for me. I've only dated 3 guys under 5'8 before. One was 5'6 (perfect) One was 5'7 and one was 5'3. The guy who was 5'3 I was in a LTR with him and while I loved him I always wished he was taller. I wanted to feel small and protected and wanted someone who could pick me up and swing me around and give me piggy back rides etc. Also he was of slight build and probably only weighed about 20 lbs more than I did and in bed it just wasn't the same as having some big tall guy man handle you. I am attracted to short guys (6 ft and above it just TOO tall for me, I don't want to have to stand on a chair to kiss someone). And with really short guys (again at 5'8 I don't consider you short) it does make you feel like you are a dating a kid) But on the flip side I dated a guy for five months who was 6'4 and HATED it. We just looked funny side by side. He was a great guy but the height difference was awkward.
CaliGuy Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 These two comments are interesting. On one had, you like Megan Fox physically and have no issues oggling her right? But on the other hand, you make this case that it's women only that proliferate ideals about the female body. When you, a man, are giving props to a woman that has had nuerous surgeries to look like that. Yeah, keep telling yourself that men don't contribute anything to this issue. If men liked women with real bodies more, women wouldn't be striving to have fake boobs. Women do what draws male attention. I assume you think that I look at her boobs, which nothing could be further from the truth. I stare at her face, because I like the way she looks, but that's as far as it goes. The last thing I would ever want to deal with is Megan Fox's crappy "I rule!" attitude. Like I said, she'd be kicked to the curb in a heartbeat. By the way, you continue to hold onto false comments CaliGuy. Where did I say it was "all men's fault". Why do you keep pulling out these liners that we are saying men are "bad" or that it's "all" their fault? Did you fail to read the part where I said women have a responsibility to themselves? Or do you choose to ignore that to make a case out of the "all men's faults" comments so that you don't honestly have to discuss the ways men contribute to the issue? Let me say it again because you continue to be very fuzzy on this part. No one is saying men are "bad' or that it's "all" men's fault. What is being said is that it is 100% hypocritical to sit there and say "boys will be boys" or "men can't help what they are attracted to, and sit there and tell women that it's out of their own petty competiviness that there is only an issue. You justify what men are attracted to. YOu justify being attracted to a surgically enhanced Megan Fox. But you critize women for making surgical enhancements. Men can't-help-themselves atittudes really blow. And men that hold women to a higher standard of not being swayed by the media then they hold themselves are hypocrites. You're getting off track. What your comments say basically point fingers at men as being the "evil part" of this whole façade about surgically altered bodies. How many MEN do you know that get plastic surgery? Very few that I am aware of. The only area that I could see men trying to improve on is height and there's NOTHING that can be surgically to make someone taller. Being a man, you are pretty much STUCK with what God gave you. All I am saying is that women need to stop looking at other women, stop comparing themselves and stop worrying about winning a man over another woman. They need to start focusing on within themselves as the primary determination of their self-worth. Men do not TELL women to get surgery. Men just say what they like. If a woman chooses to get surgery to alter themselves, that is their own decision to do so. If a man doesn't stay with her because she isn't altered then he's the wrong guy for her, period. Micheal Bay is know for being quite misgnositic toward female actresses. Not just her. She actually stood up for herself there. His comments toward Megan were nothing but complimentary. Her comments compared him to Adolf Hitler. NOT comlimentary. She's an ass. He might be one too, but so far I haven't seen anything that says he hates women. I think he just hates arseholes -- and I don't blame him. That's what your lips say but when the super hot Megan Fox walks by while your with your average girlfriend the eyes say differently. Men speak a big game but when it comes to delivering the message, they often falter. So you can sit there and call her derogatory names and mock her at the same time you take visual pleasure for looking at her. I don't oggle at women. It's just not my style. If I am with someone, then there my heart lies. I am sure you've known plenty of guys who can't walk the talk and I am not here to convince you that I am different. My behavior and people who know me will tell you that personally if you ask them. On a personal level, each indivdual defines who they are. Society wise? Men and women define what it takes to be a woman or man. There is a gold standard set up by the media about what it takes to be a woman. And when men like you react to the attractiviness of women like Megan Fox who are surgically enhanced, it sends a clear message about what defines a woman to men. You, quite often, have said that I "react" to Megan Fox and you're way off base. I said she was attractive. Then I had to clarify, for you, that it's really her face that I am attracted to. I never once mentioned anything about her body. You, other the other hand, constantly refer to me as having a crazy attraction to her, which is also not true. As a person, as a woman, she fails. To me, that's all that matters. No, because admitting the role men play would mean having accountability and men do not often want to have acconutablity for their sexuality. Your over extreme phrases such as "men are bad", "it's all men's fault", "holding a gun to their head", is a careful ruse to deflect the topic at hand and over exploit what is being said. No, that's just facts. Men are driven by the desire to procreate. Look at what King David did during his tenure of the King of Israel. He had another man killed and stole his wife (who was very attractive). Men do stupid crap all the time to meet their needs. They commit crimes, they treat people like crap, they take advantage of women and so on. Men have a LONG way to go to improve their stature as being Men that others should admire. I am not saying men have an excuse to be bad people, whatsoever. I just think women should use better judgement when deciding they want to alter themselves to gain a man who, in the long run, isn't worth their time. Megan Fox as fake boobs Caliguy. I could care less, honestly. None of my comments were based on her body, I simply said she was attractive and by that I was referring to her face. Men aren't held to the same standard of looks. They never will be either. Men care about looks first, then the inside. And if you are out with your guy, it's not uncommon to see men eying up other women even though they are out with their women or families. Of course men are. People are promoted or receive high paying jobs based on how they look. Especially in SALES. Men are held to every same standard as women are, they just don't have options for plastic surgery to do it for them. Women have a greater avenue to achieve "perceived" better looks. My question is WHY are they doing this? To gain a man, to get a better position/job, etc. And yes, many men do judge the outside looks first. So do WOMEN. You will not see many women look at an average or less than average man's personality before judging them on the outside first. It's happened to me before. To some women, it doesn't matter how great my personality is, I am not over 6' tall and I don't look like a movie star. SO FREAKING WHAT?! It makes me LOL because all I see it as "there's one less woman in the way of me meeting Ms Right." That's how I see people who judge my looks and I think that's what women should do as well. Cheers.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 All these comments about women getting plastic surgery to compete with other women -- well, sure. But why are they competing with them? TO GET MEN. If it were a planet of (straight) women, do you really think women would go under the knife, wear makeup, starve themselves to be thin, or even fix their hair? Extremely unlikely.
Stockalone Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 If it were a planet of (straight) women, do you really think women would go under the knife, wear makeup, starve themselves to be thin, or even fix their hair? Extremely unlikely. Of course you would. How else would you know who to crown as your Queen? If it were a planet of straight men, we would either descend into anarchy. Killing off the competition until only one man survives, at the off chance that there is still a woman left on the planet. Or we would combine all resources to explore outer space in the hopes of finding alien chicks to mate with.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Of course you would. How else would you know who to crown as your Queen? Haha. Seriously, though, I have done a fair bit of informal research into this subject. I'm a writer, and I've recently been interviewing a LOT of female executives who run companies with a high proportion of female staff. Over and over again, I see that in female-dominated environments, cooperation is valued over competition; creativity over standardized systems; long-term relationships over short-term profits; a healthy sense of life balance over obsession with work. And women are rewarded in these environments much more for their intelligence and ideas than their looks.
VertexSquared Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Haha. Seriously, though, I have done a fair bit of informal research into this subject. I'm a writer, and I've recently been interviewing a LOT of female executives who run companies with a high proportion of female staff. Over and over again, I see that in female-dominated environments, cooperation is valued over competition; creativity over standardized systems; long-term relationships over short-term profits; a healthy sense of life balance over obsession with work. And women are rewarded in these environments much more for their intelligence and ideas than their looks. Interesting finds! My question, though: How are absolute/overall rewards in these environments when compared to comparably mixed-gender or even male-dominated environments?
Ruby Slippers Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Interesting finds! My question, though: How are absolute/overall rewards in these environments when compared to comparably mixed-gender or even male-dominated environments? Well, I have to be clear about the fact that the sources I'm writing for are targeting very successful companies and business owners in particular, but this is true for woman- and man-led companies. One of the female execs I recently interviewed was one of the first serious woman entrepreneurs in the world. Her company is known and has locations around the globe, and it's been in business for more than 40 years. Another has had her company spotlighted on a few TV shows, and recently wrapped up filming on the first season of her own show. Another runs the first woman-owned financial services company of its kind in the US, and she is growing like wildfire. Another thing that stands out for me is that these companies seem to pay better salaries and offer better benefits, suggesting again the long-term focus, rather than emphasis on short-term profits, and cooperative and supportive orientation. The one major complaint that a lot of these women have is that their high-profile, world-traveling lifestyles are a turnoff to men on their level, as most of those men are looking for a woman who offers her unconditional support and homemaking "soft skills" in exchange for him providing for her financially. But most of them think they're being smarter by providing for themselves, rather than relying on a man, who might turn out to be fickle, to do it.
sweetjasmine Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 I see these ads every day, both targeted at women and men. Do you know what I do? I IGNORE it. I ignore them too. A lot of people do. But they still have an impact. How many name brands can you name off the top of your head? That's boys being boys. But where'd they get the idea that not having big breasts is a flaw to be made fun of? The bigger question is why do you let it bother you? ...because I was a 12 year old girl? Do you have any 12 year old girls in your family? How many 12 year old girls wouldn't be bothered by family members making fun of their body? It's not hard to get past the bullcrap that is spread every single day. It often is. That's my point. My point is, not every guy is going to think that you need breasts implants and the ones who think that you DO need them are not a friend of yours and is not someone who should matter in your life. I know that. I'm well aware of it. If any guy friend ever said something like that to me, he'd get an earful. I'm just pointing out that this message is sent loud and clear to women from childhood, so it's not surprising that many of them are often insecure about their bodies. The parts of a body doesn't define who the person is. It's what's INSIDE that really makes you a person. I know that, and I don't let it define me, but you have to understand that women face constant pressures like this on a daily basis. I don't find it shocking at all that women with self-esteem problems would resort to something drastic like surgery.
SteveC80 Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 lol at women compalining as if Men dont get judged by their looks harshly,i have had pretty good sucess with women of my looks alone i cant tell u how many times theyd rip a guy telling me just because they thought he was unattratcive and therefore "gross" and theyd go on and on Women are just as bad as dudes in judging by looks,the only women who say looks dont matter at all and its whats inside are unattractive women who have limited options and cant get an attractive dude
CaliGuy Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 lol at women compalining as if Men dont get judged by their looks harshly,i have had pretty good sucess with women of my looks alone i cant tell u how many times theyd rip a guy telling me just because they thought he was unattratcive and therefore "gross" and theyd go on and on Women are just as bad as dudes in judging by looks,the only women who say looks dont matter at all and its whats inside are unattractive women who have limited options and cant get an attractive dude But a good majority of the posts are directed AT men, lol. Yes, I know that men are chastised and I too have been around women who have either said something negative about my looks or towards other men. I just ignore them and they have no meaning to me. I learned, a long time ago, to not let mean people in my life. And that in and of itself is a blessing
Sweetie1977 Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Its something i cant explain to a Man,a tall guy makes womens heart melt a feeling of protection from the world and everything harmful in it:love: Plus Tall Men as a whole seem allot nicer and protective of women short guys have a bitter disposition and are angry at the world and dont look to help women and protect them as much
somedude81 Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Its something i cant explain to a Man,a tall guy makes womens heart melt a feeling of protection from the world and everything harmful in it:love: Plus Tall Men as a whole seem allot nicer and protective of women short guys have a bitter disposition and are angry at the world and dont look to help women and protect them as much Wikipedia A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social groups or types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and "prejudice" are often confused with many other different meanings. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of groups based on some prior assumptions. Generally speaking, stereotypes are not based on objective truth but rather subjective and sometimes unverifiable content-matter.
Cracker Jack Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Plus Tall Men as a whole seem allot nicer and protective of women short guys have a bitter disposition and are angry at the world and dont look to help women and protect them as much Come on, now. You know that's unfair to say. You have a few like that, but in general? Doubt it, but some women may really feel that way.
385 Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Yah, women always say guys are shallow but when it comes to height, women are the most shallow people in the world. I have never met a girl in my life who does not place emphasis on height and would date someone shorter than them. And, about 75% of the girls I've met won't even date a guy under 6 foot. I'm 6'1 and still there are girls that don't think I'm tall enough. Yah but seriously, what is up with this!
CaliGuy Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Its something i cant explain to a Man,a tall guy makes womens heart melt a feeling of protection from the world and everything harmful in it:love: Plus Tall Men as a whole seem allot nicer and protective of women short guys have a bitter disposition and are angry at the world and dont look to help women and protect them as much Sorry to say, but you have a lot to learn. Your statements are not entirely true (height has ZERO bearing on your level of protection). Height has NOTHING to do with a man's disposition. I've seen short, tall and every height in between be an a$$. It has nothing to do with height whatsoever. It has everything to do with the INNER person. Shorter men help protect their women every bit as well as average or tall men. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but it's WAY off base.
CaliGuy Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Yah, women always say guys are shallow but when it comes to height, women are the most shallow people in the world. I have never met a girl in my life who does not place emphasis on height and would date someone shorter than them. And, about 75% of the girls I've met won't even date a guy under 6 foot. I'm 6'1 and still there are girls that don't think I'm tall enough. Yah but seriously, what is up with this! Meh, I'm 5'10" and most women think I am "too short" - LOL. Like I keep saying, if a woman feels that way about you, you're talking to the WRONG woman. The RIGHT woman will place no emphasis on your height whatsoever. Those who do put on a priority on height should simply be ignored!
AD1980 Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Its something i cant explain to a Man,a tall guy makes womens heart melt a feeling of protection from the world and everything harmful in it:love: Plus Tall Men as a whole seem allot nicer and protective of women short guys have a bitter disposition and are angry at the world and dont look to help women and protect them as much You women truly are goofy creatures..Its amazing how shallow as a whole women are but use womenspeak terms to hide it except women like you who blatantly put your foot in your mouth and dont try to hide it.. At least when Men look at a hot women we just think"wow shes hot" nothing more we dont put better looking people on moral pedestals like women do..
Bangle Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 I met a british woman in Berlin who told me that she didn't like short men as they couldn't protect her. The average height of the Special Air Services is 5'9 and these men can defend anything, especially if they are Scottish. Scottish men are single handley the strongest men around.
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