CaliGuy Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 So yes, women do do it out of reasons of competition so that they can be the one that hopefully grabs the attention of a man. Because we've al lbeen told from men and women since birth how important our looks are to men. When you've had relationships with enough men, dated enough men, you see what is important to them. You see what they give notice to. Men are very easily swayed and distracted by the visual. And often, men feed into it so why shouldn't women aim to be what men want when we want men to adore and like us? It's not like men are sitting around giving rapt support for women with good hearts. Men give rapt support for women with perfect bodies. Then you have the odacity to claim that men have nothing to do with it. That's complete BS CaliGuy. Complete BS. Never said that men have nothing to do with it. Of course they are attracted to what they are attracted to. I personally have a hard time finding attraction to overweight women. Doesn't make me bad -- it's just something that is not appealing to me. On the other side, I've found that breast implants are unnecessary and hasn't swayed me in one direction or another. Every girl I have dated I have told them they don't need it, but they get them anyway. Whatever floats their boat. All I am saying is that women DO get surgery not for just themselves, but to make them a better prospect for a man. And to me, this is unnecessary. If you change yourself to be better "bait" for a man, don't be surprised if, when you do catch him, he goes to the next "best looking thing." I think spending time on your external appearance is much less important than focusing on your INTERNAL appearance. Getting your head straight is a much more attractive quality to me a man than your physical appearance. Then again, maybe CaliGuy is just weird. I dunno.
Sivok Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Never said that men have nothing to do with it. Of course they are attracted to what they are attracted to. I personally have a hard time finding attraction to overweight women. Doesn't make me bad -- it's just something that is not appealing to me. On the other side, I've found that breast implants are unnecessary and hasn't swayed me in one direction or another. Every girl I have dated I have told them they don't need it, but they get them anyway. Whatever floats their boat. All I am saying is that women DO get surgery not for just themselves, but to make them a better prospect for a man. And to me, this is unnecessary. If you change yourself to be better "bait" for a man, don't be surprised if, when you do catch him, he goes to the next "best looking thing." I think spending time on your external appearance is much less important than focusing on your INTERNAL appearance. Getting your head straight is a much more attractive quality to me a man than your physical appearance. Then again, maybe CaliGuy is just weird. I dunno.Exactly. Nothing bothers me more than a woman who is so fragile on the inside that she constantly questions why you're with her and gets extremely jealous at even the slightest things. For example, one of my friends of 5 years got a new haircut and she posted a pic up on facebook... I said 'cute haircut!' and my ex gf flipped her ****. Extreme much? Girls need to focus on knowing how to keep a man more than how to attract a man, because getting a guy to fall for you emotionally will seize him from ever wanting to look at anybody else. The latter is all about displaying confidence - it's just as important for girls as it is for guys
sweetjasmine Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 I think spending time on your external appearance is much less important than focusing on your INTERNAL appearance. Getting your head straight is a much more attractive quality to me a man than your physical appearance. I totally agree. The problem is that women are socialized from childhood to be conscious of their physical appearance and worry about it. People react more positively to people they find more attractive, regardless of gender, but women in particular face a lot more pressure to conform to certain standards of beauty. And honestly, it's impossible to escape it because it's everywhere. Studies show that just an hour of exposure to TV with ads negatively affects people's self-esteem and body image. Elementary and middle school girls already have damaged perceptions of their bodies, so it's really no surprise to me that adult women feel the need to have their bodies slice and diced to look better. Females are brought up with the message that their worth is determined by their beauty and that every other characteristic is secondary. Of course a lot of them are going to go to extreme measures. Of course a lot of them seriously do think that their only worth is in their appearance. It's depressing.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]Never said that men have nothing to do with it. [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]Okay, then what part do you think men play in all this? ANd what is their responsibility as men?[/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]Of course they are attracted to what they are attracted to. I personally have a hard time finding attraction to overweight women. Doesn't make me bad -- it's just something that is not appealing to me. [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]It doesn't make you bad or it doesn't make men bad in general to be attracted to what they are attracted to?[/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]This is what I find so troubling about this kind of opinion CaliGuy. While I don't think what a man is attracted to makes him *bad*, and I certainly don't think a man shouldn't be attracted to a woman with implants, you just defended a man’s right to be attracted to what he likes when your earlier posts were a criticism about the choices women make in regards to their bodies surgically. [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]So it's okay for men to be attracted to breast implants and show this attraction clearly but it's not okay to women take the message that men are sending to them and apply them, such as by getting implants? It’s all women and their need to complete that drives them to get implants and not the clear messages men send about the worth of a woman's body? [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]I guess it's why we ended up with a society where married men and men with gfs are more eager to sing the praises of someone Like Kim Kadashian and her body over the women in their real lives. Or one where men defend their attraction to female idealistic body parts but condemn women by telling them that they only reason they get these things is out of petty competition between women themselves. [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]I think for women that get implants, they want to feed a very basic need they have to be beautiful. They pay attention to how men respond to external factors. They pay attention to how their husbands and boyfriends respond to other women. So they do what they think will optimize a response from men or keep their man interested in her when she lives in a world that she can never get away from the fantasy images men eat up like candy about women. If you are beautiful, men consider you worthy. Period. I don't think it's fair that you justify what men are attracted to and hold the expectation that women should have the fortitude to ignore these messages while men are often the purveyors of them.[/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]Fundamentally, all women want to be beautiful. When the message is women need x, y and z to be worthy of what men deem romantic, sexually exciting and respectful feelings towards women, women will do the things necessary to find that and keep it. There is a lot of competition out there. Men aren't exactly known for keeping their attention directed to even the one they love. When a woman's own man drools over the breast implanted strippers or starlets in Maxim and TV, what message do you think that sends to that woman about what that man enjoys about a woman's body? [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black]I am so sick of hearing men foster off responsibility for the messages they send to women under the guise of "well I am a man". And expecting women to pick up all the slack, maintain all the self control while men can do as they please ignoring the messages they send to women. Women do get more attention when they get breast implants. And attention leads to more dates, more dating opportunities, and more opportunities to get that much closer to having a man that loves you and wants to have kids with you. Maybe not from you, but certainly from other men. [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black] All I am saying is that women DO get surgery not for just themselves, but to make them a better prospect for a man. And to me, this is unnecessary. If you change yourself to be better "bait" for a man, don't be surprised if, when you do catch him, he goes to the next "best looking thing." Well, I think alot of women have had the experience that looks matter greatly to men. Even when you have a boyfriend or husband you notice when he takes notice of other women. So it might not always be about getting a man, but keeping one too because alot of the time, men let their attention easily drift about here and there to the shiniest object. I think spending time on your external appearance is much less important than focusing on your INTERNAL appearance. Getting your head straight is a much more attractive quality to me a man than your physical appearance. Then again, maybe CaliGuy is just weird. I dunno. Caliguy, do you view porn? Do you view other women in public? Do you have fantasies about other women? [/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT]
OpenGL Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Females are brought up with the message that their worth is determined by their beauty and that every other characteristic is secondary. Of course a lot of them are going to go to extreme measures. Of course a lot of them seriously do think that their only worth is in their appearance. It's depressing. I think you bring up a very interesting point here that I haven't really thought about. Yes the media pressures girls from birth to put their beauty as the number 1 priority in their life at all times, I will agree with that and for all of the bitching I do you have never heard me argue that the media has no role in influencing women. Then the problem arises is that women turn around and use that criteria themselves for the men they choose to date. The media brainwashes women to put their looks as number one priority, then they turn around and choose their men and use looks as their number one priority, forcing men to have their looks as a number one priority. Men are not really brainwashed/influenced by the media, but they sure as hell get motivated/influenced when women lock them out of romantic relationships and sex. It's a cycle that starts with the media and women propagate onto men.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Err stupid LS won't let me go back and edit that messed up post above. Never said that men have nothing to do with it. Okay, then what part do you think men play in all this? ANd what is their responsibility as men? Of course they are attracted to what they are attracted to. I personally have a hard time finding attraction to overweight women. Doesn't make me bad -- it's just something that is not appealing to me. It doesn't make you bad or it doesn't make men bad in general to be attracted to what they are attracted to? This is what I find so troubling about this kind of opinion CaliGuy. While I don't think what a man is attracted to makes him *bad*, and I certainly don't think a man shouldn't be attracted to a woman with implants, you just defended a man’s right to be attracted to what he likes when your earlier posts were a criticism about the choices women make in regards to their bodies surgically. So it's okay for men to be attracted to breast implants and show this attraction clearly but it's not okay to women take the message that men are sending to them and apply them, such as by getting implants? It’s all women and their need to complete that drives them to get implants and not the clear messages men send about the worth of a woman's body? I guess it's why we ended up with a society where married men and men with gfs are more eager to sing the praises of someone Like Kim Kadashian and her body over the women in their real lives. Or one where men defend their attraction to female idealistic body parts but condemn women by telling them that they only reason they get these things is out of petty competition between women themselves. I think for women that get implants, they want to feed a very basic need they have to be beautiful. They pay attention to how men respond to external factors. They pay attention to how their husbands and boyfriends respond to other women. So they do what they think will optimize a response from men or keep their man interested in her when she lives in a world that she can never get away from the fantasy images men eat up like candy about women. If you are beautiful, men consider you worthy. Period. I don't think it's fair that you justify what men are attracted to and hold the expectation that women should have the fortitude to ignore these messages while men are often the purveyors of them Fundamentally, all women want to be beautiful. When the message is women need x, y and z to be worthy of what men deem romantic, sexually exciting and respectful feelings towards women, women will do the things necessary to find that and keep it. There is a lot of competition out there. Men aren't exactly known for keeping their attention directed to even the one they love. When a woman's own man drools over the breast implanted strippers or starlets in Maxim and TV, what message do you think that sends to that woman about what that man enjoys about a woman's body? I am so sick of hearing men foster off responsibility for the messages they send to women under the guise of "well I am a man". And expecting women to pick up all the slack, maintain all the self control while men can do as they please ignoring the messages they send to women. Women do get more attention when they get breast implants. And attention leads to more dates, more dating opportunities, and more opportunities to get that much closer to having a man that loves you and wants to have kids with you. Maybe not from you, but certainly from other men. All I am saying is that women DO get surgery not for just themselves, but to make them a better prospect for a man. And to me, this is unnecessary. If you change yourself to be better "bait" for a man, don't be surprised if, when you do catch him, he goes to the next "best looking thing." Well, I think alot of women have had the experience that looks matter greatly to men. Even when you have a boyfriend or husband you notice when he takes notice of other women. So it might not always be about getting a man, but keeping one too because alot of the time, men let their attention easily drift about here and there to the shiniest object. I think spending time on your external appearance is much less important than focusing on your INTERNAL appearance. Getting your head straight is a much more attractive quality to me a man than your physical appearance. Then again, maybe CaliGuy is just weird. I dunno. Caliguy, do you view porn? Do you view other women in public? Do you have fantasies about other women?
Jersey Shortie Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Then the problem arises is that women turn around and use that criteria themselves for the men they choose to date. The media brainwashes women to put their looks as number one priority, then they turn around and choose their men and use looks as their number one priority, forcing men to have their looks as a number one priority. Men are not really brainwashed/influenced by the media, but they sure as hell get motivated/influenced when women lock them out of romantic relationships and sex. It's a cycle that starts with the media and women propagate onto men. Oy, you need so much help. The media brainwashes women..men are not really brainwashed..women force men to do this or that..it's not men's fault because women and the media do it all..at least try to acknowledge your own persona responsbility.
Engadget Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Jersey everyone takes notice of other people's physical attractiveness, women included. With women I date it's usually fun, you know they're looking, why not talk about it? My ex used to point out guys she thought were hot, and I'd say something and vice versa. It's natural and biologically driven, and not something even worth complaining about.
sweetjasmine Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Or one where men defend their attraction to female idealistic body parts but condemn women by telling them that they only reason they get these things is out of petty competition between women themselves. This is an interesting point. It's odd to make fun of women who get plastic surgery, saying they must be fragile, insecure, and shallow and that they're just competing with other women and being petty...and then turn around and drool at Megan Fox, Halle Berry, and all of the other famous women who have had work done. "Well, they're being shallow and stupid and they're all damaged, but *fap fap fap*."
SteveC80 Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 This is an interesting point. It's odd to make fun of women who get plastic surgery, saying they must be fragile, insecure, and shallow and that they're just competing with other women and being petty...and then turn around and drool at Megan Fox, Halle Berry, and all of the other famous women who have had work done. "Well, they're being shallow and stupid and they're all damaged, but *fap fap fap*." Thats like saying if my GF likes some movie star i must do what it takes to look like him Theyres always gonna be people more attractive then us why be inscecure about it?
OpenGL Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Thats like saying if my GF likes some movie star i must do what it takes to look like him Theyres always gonna be people more attractive then us why be inscecure about it? What about the guys who don't look good enough to get ANY women? Should they also not be insecure about it?
roseeee Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 it's not right that most of the women like tall men! this is something we think at the beginning,just like men interested in big breasts! I'm 5'6 and there are so many hot boys around me that are shorter than me,and sometimes I wish I was shorter to go on a date with them! and I don't like to be taller than my boyfriend so the first thing I see is their height! that's the only reason,when you really want someone these things are not important at all
CaliGuy Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 I totally agree. The problem is that women are socialized from childhood to be conscious of their physical appearance and worry about it. People react more positively to people they find more attractive, regardless of gender, but women in particular face a lot more pressure to conform to certain standards of beauty. Men are in the same boat. Certain men attain certain positions of importance and quite often it's based on their "attractiveness" so it's not just a problem for women. It's a problem with society and with people who base their "value" in external appearance. To me that's not where the value of one lies. It's what's within that is more important. Females are brought up with the message that their worth is determined by their beauty and that every other characteristic is secondary. Of course a lot of them are going to go to extreme measures. Of course a lot of them seriously do think that their only worth is in their appearance. It's depressing. I think a lot of that has to do more with "selling a product at all costs" versus actually being accountable. I think if you're intelligent and have self-worth then you (us/all) will not be swayed by a cheesy advertisement. Err stupid LS won't let me go back and edit that messed up post above. Okay, then what part do you think men play in all this? ANd what is their responsibility as men? Men AND women write ads, develop products and sell their products everywhere. It's ones own ability to value themselves from the inside and NOT from what the media tells them, that is most important. It doesn't make you bad or it doesn't make men bad in general to be attracted to what they are attracted to? I have no more control over what I am attracted to any more or less than any other guy. The difference is I don't base it solely on looks. This is what I find so troubling about this kind of opinion CaliGuy. While I don't think what a man is attracted to makes him *bad*, and I certainly don't think a man shouldn't be attracted to a woman with implants, you just defended a man’s right to be attracted to what he likes when your earlier posts were a criticism about the choices women make in regards to their bodies surgically. Again, you can't tell someone what they should like or dislike anymore than you can tell him (or her) what foods they should like or dislike. It's an internal mechanism. It's just that some of them buy into what "marketing" tells them is what attractive instead of saying "This or that" is what I really find attractive. A good Personality is much more valuable to me than just Good Looks. So it's okay for men to be attracted to breast implants and show this attraction clearly but it's not okay to women take the message that men are sending to them and apply them, such as by getting implants? It’s all women and their need to complete that drives them to get implants and not the clear messages men send about the worth of a woman's body? Again, I don't think women get implants to win a man, I think they do it more or less to beat out OTHER women they are competition with. Whether it to get a man, get a job, star in a movie or TV, etc. It's an internal mechanism that drives it to COMPETE. At least, that's how I see it. Maybe not everyone agrees but that's my $0.02. I guess it's why we ended up with a society where married men and men with gfs are more eager to sing the praises of someone Like Kim Kadashian and her body over the women in their real lives. Or one where men defend their attraction to female idealistic body parts but condemn women by telling them that they only reason they get these things is out of petty competition between women themselves. I think for women that get implants, they want to feed a very basic need they have to be beautiful. They pay attention to how men respond to external factors. They pay attention to how their husbands and boyfriends respond to other women. So they do what they think will optimize a response from men or keep their man interested in her when she lives in a world that she can never get away from the fantasy images men eat up like candy about women. If you are beautiful, men consider you worthy. Period. I don't think it's fair that you justify what men are attracted to and hold the expectation that women should have the fortitude to ignore these messages while men are often the purveyors of them Fundamentally, all women want to be beautiful. When the message is women need x, y and z to be worthy of what men deem romantic, sexually exciting and respectful feelings towards women, women will do the things necessary to find that and keep it. There is a lot of competition out there. Men aren't exactly known for keeping their attention directed to even the one they love. When a woman's own man drools over the breast implanted strippers or starlets in Maxim and TV, what message do you think that sends to that woman about what that man enjoys about a woman's body? Maxim and TV are only a fraction of society that says getting implants is the way to go. You can not place this solely on men and say it's a man's fault for women getting implants. It's men AND women who push this. I am so sick of hearing men foster off responsibility for the messages they send to women under the guise of "well I am a man". And expecting women to pick up all the slack, maintain all the self control while men can do as they please ignoring the messages they send to women. Women do get more attention when they get breast implants. And attention leads to more dates, more dating opportunities, and more opportunities to get that much closer to having a man that loves you and wants to have kids with you. Maybe not from you, but certainly from other men. Sorry, I'm just not buying this. Men that I know, personal friends and acquaintances have said more than once that getting breast implants is unnecessary. They are not telling women to do it, it's a woman wanting to "win out" that drives them. It's ads on TV, Magazines, radio shows, etc. I'm not sure what your point is about men absolving themselves of responsibility. Maybe the idiot men who pay for breast implants only to see their G/F or wife leave them for what they perceive as a "better man". I've heard of that happening. But men saying "This is what I am attracted to" is no different than a woman saying "I need a guy 6' or taller". What's the difference to you? IMHO there is NOTHING that differentiates them. People like what they like and that's what they are going to go after. Well, I think alot of women have had the experience that looks matter greatly to men. Even when you have a boyfriend or husband you notice when he takes notice of other women. So it might not always be about getting a man, but keeping one too because alot of the time, men let their attention easily drift about here and there to the shiniest object. A lot of men do that. I think women would benefit from discerning what is a good man and what is a bad man. Lots of women buy into a guy's looks or other qualities that make them attractive on the outside. The real question is "Did you see what's on the inside." To me if you really want the RIGHT person in your life then you put your opinion based on the entire package, not just what it's wrapped in. This goes for both men and women. Caliguy, do you view porn? Do you view other women in public? Do you have fantasies about other women? 1. CaliGuy thinks porn is a waste of time. 2. Yes, I notice women, but I'm also single. 3. No I do not fantasize about women. I did when I was a young lad but haven't done so in about 15 years. This is an interesting point. It's odd to make fun of women who get plastic surgery, saying they must be fragile, insecure, and shallow and that they're just competing with other women and being petty...and then turn around and drool at Megan Fox, Halle Berry, and all of the other famous women who have had work done. "Well, they're being shallow and stupid and they're all damaged, but *fap fap fap*." Hmmm, I think Megan is attractive on the outside but internally she is a gigantic DUD (her personality pisses many people off and I feel the same way). Does that make me bad too? So be it. I don't have an attraction to Hally Berry. I do think that there are certain women that I am attracted to but none that I would have relationships with because they aren't the entire package. I've met plenty of beautiful women who felt they weren't worthy of anything because internally they are screwed up. Men are like that too (they're called "Jerks" or "Players"), so this isn't something that is just centered around one sex or the other. It's a SOCIETAL problem, not a sex issue.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Jersey everyone takes notice of other people's physical attractiveness, women included. With women I date it's usually fun, you know they're looking, why not talk about it? My ex used to point out guys she thought were hot, and I'd say something and vice versa. It's natural and biologically driven, and not something even worth complaining about. Engadget, I do understand that it's normal/natural/biological to notice other people's attractiveness and that women do it too. But I still think that too many guys are more interested in flattering and paying attention to what they don't have, instead of focusing on what they do have. And I think it's normal/natural/biological to be worried or a little jealous of a partner's interest in someone else. I rather be talking with each other then looking at all the other prospects and talkign about them. And I rather a man be happy in the moment with me and focus his time on me, then be more eager to talk about all the hot babes he just saw. I don't think that's crazy. This is an interesting point. It's odd to make fun of women who get plastic surgery, saying they must be fragile, insecure, and shallow and that they're just competing with other women and being petty...and then turn around and drool at Megan Fox, Halle Berry, and all of the other famous women who have had work done. "Well, they're being shallow and stupid and they're all damaged, but *fap fap fap*." Exactly. When you see all these men with real life partners and these guys focus their energry on drooling over enough stars, real women they see out and about, or porn, I certainly understand why women get work done and feel the preasure to do so. Real women with their real imperfect bodies are rejected in society.
CaliGuy Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Theyres always gonna be people more attractive then us why be inscecure about it? Yup! And to this I would say "Men with average looks and a GREAT personality are likely to find a great woman vs "Men with GREAT looks and an average/less than average personality" It takes both men and women time and maturity for them to stop looking at what's on the outside and start to base their opinion of someone on the ENTIRE package. I think I'm an average looking guy with a better than average personality. It's easy for me to be overlooked by women looking for a 6'+ tall guy with a large bank account. So be it. It's not me that loses out. In fact, it just means that's one less bad person in the way of me meeting the RIGHT one. So wasting one's time on being insecure about how other's look is just silly. Like Ben Franklin once said "A man who loves himself will have no rivals." That's something EVERYONE should consider.
stillafool Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Tall women are generally not very attractive. Yeah, like all the models. Very unattractive!
stillafool Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 I know of several guys people would consider short (5'6-5'8) who have no problems dating and I am going to attend the wedding of one this summer. Their gfs are shorter than them with high heels. I don't think most short women want to date guys who are too tall because it hurts their necks to keep looking up that far all the time and kissing is uncomfortable. I dated a guy 6'6" once and my neck was killing me. I think a lot of short men are attracted to taller women and that's where the problem lies.
OpenGL Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Yeah, like all the models. Very unattractive! Most men don't find the typical runway model attractive at all.
somedude81 Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 I know of several guys people would consider short (5'6-5'8) who have no problems dating and I am going to attend the wedding of one this summer. Their gfs are shorter than them with high heels. I don't think most short women want to date guys who are too tall because it hurts their necks to keep looking up that far all the time and kissing is uncomfortable. I dated a guy 6'6" once and my neck was killing me. I think a lot of short men are attracted to taller women and that's where the problem lies. So if I'm 5'6, how tall would a girl have to be in order to still be shorter than me when she is wearing heals?
Engadget Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Yeah, like all the models. Very unattractive! I don't find almost any models attractive, and taller is 6'0 over to me.
SteveC80 Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 So if I'm 5'6, how tall would a girl have to be in order to still be shorter than me when she is wearing heals? yes with women heels>>love
Ruby Slippers Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Tall women are generally not very attractive. Right. All those short models are proof of this.
brainygirl Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 So if I'm 5'6, how tall would a girl have to be in order to still be shorter than me when she is wearing heals? Uhm, depends on the heels, and besides, who cares? I am about to give you an assignment: Tomorrow you are to go about your day. When you happen to cross paths with a minimally attractive woman (ie not the hottest but not terribly ugly either, just a girl) you are to make conversation with her. This conversation can be: weather, local issues, the gulf oil spill, her cute dog, or the amazing wait at the post office. Keep it light. Don't make it sexual, and don't press for her number. Report back tomorrow evening and tell us how you did. Quit this obcessive thinking about women=sex and no woman likes you. How can they not like you if they don't know you?
somedude81 Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) LOL it was just a simple question. Obviously I don't wear heels so I don't know how much height they add to girls. I don't know what the standard heal size is and if something like a 3" heel would actually add 3" to her height. I'm perfectly fine with a girl being a couple inches taller than me. Heck the last girl I was into is 5'8. I never did find out why she rejected me. And no I never talked about height with her Edited June 8, 2010 by somedude81
sweetjasmine Posted June 8, 2010 Posted June 8, 2010 Men are in the same boat. Certain men attain certain positions of importance and quite often it's based on their "attractiveness" so it's not just a problem for women. It's a problem with society and with people who base their "value" in external appearance. To me that's not where the value of one lies. It's what's within that is more important. Men are in a similar boat, but I honestly think women are judged by their appearance more often and more harshly than men are -- by both men and women. Just look at the way female politicians are treated versus male politicians. I think a lot of that has to do more with "selling a product at all costs" versus actually being accountable. I think if you're intelligent and have self-worth then you (us/all) will not be swayed by a cheesy advertisement. It's more than just a cheesy ad. Do you know how many ads the average American is exposed to in a single day? Literally thousands. And advertising isn't the sole source of this. It only helps perpetuate and spread standards of beauty and the message that beauty determines a woman's worth. It takes a considerable amount of active effort for a woman to ignore all of that. To be honest, I don't think people who haven't grown up with all of this can really understand what it's like to be bombarded over and over with it. It's ones own ability to value themselves from the inside and NOT from what the media tells them, that is most important. Dude. I'm not disagreeing with you on what's actually important. I'm just saying it isn't so easy for people to ignore pressures to conform to certain beauty standards. I know plenty of women who have healthy self-esteem, but they're still affected by it. Let me just give you an example. I'm happy with my body the way it is and would never dream of getting breast implants. Ever. But you know what? While I was growing up, my brothers constantly made obnoxious comments about my body and how I was flat as a table. Of course I was flat as a table. I was f-ing 12 years old and had just started growing. They were teenagers and didn't know any better, but where'd they get the idea that it was an insult to tell a girl that her breasts are tiny? And since that age until the present, I've gotten to hear all sorts of stupid comments from men and women about how women with smaller breasts aren't as womanly or attractive. I've had catty b-tches make snide remarks to me about my size because I'm barely a B cup and not a DD. I've watched guys stare at women with big breasts and run after them. I've tried on clothes and had them fit funny because they're made for women with bigger breasts. And that's not mentioning the advertisements and other cultural pressures I've been exposed to. So even though I'm happy with my body as it is and even though I'm with a partner who loves every inch of it, I'm still conscious of the fact that according to most people, my breasts are sub-par, and I'm reminded of it fairly regularly, like every time I try to go bra shopping and find that every single bra with the right band size is a cup or two too big. And it's in my face every time I turn on the stupid TV. It doesn't make me hate my body or feel like less of a person, but it's always there. A good Personality is much more valuable to me than just Good Looks. And I believe you when you say that and think it's a great attitude. Hmmm, I think Megan is attractive on the outside but internally she is a gigantic DUD (her personality pisses many people off and I feel the same way). Does that make me bad too? No, it doesn't make you bad. I don't know why you keep saying that. I've met plenty of beautiful women who felt they weren't worthy of anything because internally they are screwed up. That means you have a good people-picker. But that's not what I'm talking about.
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