Jersey Shortie Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Caliguy: I assume you think that I look at her boobs, which nothing could be further from the truth. I stare at her face, because I like the way she looks, but that's as far as it goes. The last thing I would ever want to deal with is Megan Fox's crappy "I rule!" attitude. Like I said, she'd be kicked to the curb in a heartbeat. No, I don't assume that you just stare at her boobs. I assume that you take in the whole package and her breasts are part of that unless you look at all women's faces only and only see them as walking heads. But stare at the pretty face all you want Caliguy, she had alot of work done on it just so you would stare at it. she re-sculpted her face. I wonder if you would be just as struck by her beauty in the before version of her. Lastly, this topic wasn't about who you would kick to the curb. It's about what men give notice and attention to in regards to women's looks. You becry plastic surgery but Megan Fox has had alot of work done. What your comments say basically point fingers at men as being the "evil part" of this whole façade about surgically altered bodies. Yet another example you over-exploiting my comments to make it into something it is not. No one said men were evil. Sheesh..where do you get this bs from? It's utterly ridiculous. Now what I did say is men send a big message to women about what they acknowledge both with their lips and their eyes. How many MEN do you know that get plastic surgery? Yeap because men are under less pressure looks wise. Being a man, you are pretty much STUCK with what God gave you. Ummm, last time I checked men could get nose jobs just like the rest of humanitity if they wanted to. Men aren't "stuck" with what God gave them anymore then women are. However, men are under less preassure to conform to a standard of looks. All I am saying is that women need to stop looking at other women, stop comparing themselves and stop worrying about winning a man over another woman. They need to start focusing on within themselves as the primary determination of their self-worth. I agree with that. But I also think we need men to help us. And men need to stop looking at other women, and comparing women, and judging women on the value of their beauty and judging their own worth on the attractiveness of their partner. Because in this world we live in, the day a woman stops worrying about her looks is the day her man cheats on her because another shinery object came along. Men are funny like that. They go to the shinest object. They sit there all high and mighty and talk about how women need to do this or that and be confident but will justify staring at other women with "boys will be boys". Now you are a special case since you said you dont' do that. But plenty of men do. Men do not TELL women to get surgery. Ugg, who said men verbally tell women to get surgery? Men indirectly sometimes send the messages that women's bodies as they are aren't good enough. Men just say what they like. If a woman chooses to get surgery to alter themselves, that is their own decision to do so. True on both accounts! Men totally let us know what they like. They like 18 year old girls. They like huge big perky breasts. They like tiny little waists, they don't like normal things like cellulite or stretch marks. These are very clear messages any amount of men send when they oggle the cheerleader, or look at porn, or make comments about the weight of their own wife. His comments toward Megan were nothing but complimentary. Her comments compared him to Adolf Hitler. NOT comlimentary. She's an ass. He might be one too, but so far I haven't seen anything that says he hates women. I think he just hates arseholes -- and I don't blame him. There have been some female actresses that have made comments about him and his attitudes to women. There is this one line in Tranformers 2 where the little robot says about Megan fox's character.."she sure is pretty but not too bright that one.." or something like that. Might even outright call her dumb. Good message to send to the little girls and boys that probably went and saw that movie. And often, the women in his movies are protrayed to unflattering extremes. The mother in that movie is portrayed a a simpleton banshee and Megan Fox is clearly just eye candy. I also read something where he made her actually wash a car for her audition for the movie and taped it. But hey, that's only respecting women and all. That's about her abilities as a convincing car washer right? She did end up doing the car washing and I am not saying she is any angel but lets be real here. Then I had to clarify, for you, that it's really her face that I am attracted to. I never once mentioned anything about her body. I fail to see the difference since both have had alot of work done. You did know she got work done on her face didn't you? Did you look at the links I posted? I said: No, because admitting the role men play would mean having accountability and men do not often want to have acconutablity for their sexuality. Your over extreme phrases such as "men are bad", "it's all men's fault", "holding a gun to their head", is a careful ruse to deflect the topic at hand and over exploit what is being said. Then Caliguy said: No, that's just facts. Men are driven by the desire to procreate. Look at what King David did during his tenure of the King of Israel. He had another man killed and stole his wife (who was very attractive). Men do stupid crap all the time to meet their needs. They commit crimes, they treat people like crap, they take advantage of women and so on. Men have a LONG way to go to improve their stature as being Men that others should admire. I am not saying men have an excuse to be bad people, whatsoever. I just think women should use better judgement when deciding they want to alter themselves to gain a man who, in the long run, isn't worth their time. I have no clue what you are trying to say here. I am talking about the lack of accountability men have for their sexuality and the lack of accountability other men hold men up to and you start talking about Kind David and snatching another man's wife and it being women's responsiblity to use beter judgement. Well, it wasn't her fault she was snatched and that her husband was killed. And that has nothing to do with using over the top comments like I'm trying to say men are "evil". And it sure does sonud like you are using the old "boys will be boys" mentality. Women shouldn't have to alter themselves to gain a man but it certainly does pay off with many men. And since so many women do, do it, usually for the forms of media that cater to men, some men don't even have acleu about what a real womans' body looks like. Especially in SALES. Men are held to every same standard as women are, they just don't have options for plastic surgery to do it for them. Bullcrap. Men have options for plastic surgery. They can get their noses done, their face reshapped, botox, pec implants. Men have just as many options as surgery. You make it sound like women aren't even human because their bodies calls for plastic surgery more then men's. Women have a greater avenue to achieve "perceived" better looks. My question is WHY are they doing this? To gain a man, to get a better position/job, etc. No women don't have a greater avenue to achieve perceived looks better. They do it because they are judged more on their looks then men are. And it works. When you are pretty, people notice. When you are pretty, men pay more attention to you. When you are pretty, people are kinder to you. So you can sit there and tell women how it's all their own personal internal issue but you totally fail to admit to the role men play in all this.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 You might as well ask, "what is it with men and weight?" For men, the number one obession is a woman's weight. You can read plenty of posts on here by men who meet pretty, charming, warm, witty women who they won't date because they are a few pounds too heavy. In my opinion, many of these men would date these women except for their fear of ridicule. They believe their freinds would laugh at them behind their backs for dating a "fat" woman, or gossip about how the "settled." Well, with women it is height. For many women, any man below a certain height is just written off as unacceptable. None of his other qualities matter if he isn't at least 5'10, or 6', or whatever the minimum requirement is. And I would argue that, like men, these woman often fear being laughed at for dating a "short" man. This is spot on! im 5ft4 and a guys height has never been an issue for me but the reality is in todays shallow over commercialized society it is for allot of people. They all want that "hot" bf or gf so they over look the genuine but "average" looking ones I think that if your going to do this guys then don't whine when women do as well.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Yeah, I agree it's not just about health. Beyond a certain point, you can't tell how healthy someone is by looking at them. Someone who's chubby but who eats well and gets a moderate amount of exercise is a lot healthier than someone with a naturally high metabolism who eats junk food and sits on the couch all day but stays thin anyway. Well stated Jasmine. Yeah I don't care about the societal pressures that women go though. I'm not the one pressuring them, and they aren't doing it for me, I got my own stuff to worry about. If you or anybody else wants to start making a difference; stop buying magazines with skinny women on the covers.Find ways to take charge of your own matters. I know you don't really care about women somedude. You care about getting a woman. But you don't really care about them. And maybe you should take your own advice. You can't be serious. Did you even try to read the post I made? I was talking about girls in college, ages 18-22. I think that less than 1% of girls that age get surgery. Who care about just college girls? That's not reality. You need to take into account women of all ages.
sweetjasmine Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 You can't be serious. Did you even try to read the post I made? I was talking about girls in college, ages 18-22. I think that less than 1% of girls that age get surgery. Age 18 and under, 2% of all procedures (160,283 procedures in 2008) Age 19-34, 22% of all procedures (2.2 million in 2008) Since they lump 19-34 all together into one age group, it obscures the numbers and makes it hard to figure out what's going on. I've read of doctors who had girls as young as FOURTEEN come in to the office for a freaking labioplasty -- y'know, the surgery where they cut bits of your labia off so that it looks "nicer". See also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62540-2004Oct25.html And rhinoplasty for teenage girls is common and has been for decades. My aunt had one when she was 19 back in the early 70s, and of the girls I went to high school with, I knew of at least 4 who had it done.
somedude81 Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 I know you don't really care about women somedude. You care about getting a woman. But you don't really care about them. And maybe you should take your own advice. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. You are over generalizing and you know it. At least I hope you do... Who care about just college girls? That's not reality. You need to take into account women of all ages.Obviously I do. That's why I mentioned college in the first place. The vast majority of girls that I interact with in my day to day life are college girls. That is MY reality. sweetjasmine, that data is very sad. I have no idea why the parents even allow that. I think we all know that it is the mom's that are responsible for letting their young girls get surgery. Mom probably also had some work done as well. It almost becomes a tradition. If I ever become a father I would be strongly against my daughter getting surgery unless there was some serious severe flaw.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 If I ever become a father I would be strongly against my daughter getting surgery unless there was some serious severe flaw. Just make sure when you have a daughter that she doesn't pick up on you oggling other women while out. She will pay attention to what you notice and admire. Obviously I do. That's why I mentioned college in the first place. The vast majority of girls that I interact with in my day to day life are college girls. That is MY reality okay, I still fail to see how this stops you from talking about and acknowledging other women outside of that. :/
AD1980 Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Just make sure when you have a daughter that she doesn't pick up on you oggling other women while out. She will pay attention to what you notice and admire. This is asinine..its like saying if women oggle over some hot celebrity hunk all Men should think they have to look like one of these guys.. There are millions of Men out there who can be in a relationship admire another women being attratcive and not want to jump her bones
Peitho Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Just make sure when you have a daughter that she doesn't pick up on you oggling other women while out. She will pay attention to what you notice and admire. / So true!! You guys have no idea! Your hypothetical daughter would pick up on what you (and other men) find attractive and would want to achieve that. Not that unnatural if you think about it for a second. There are millions of Men out there who can be in a relationship admire another women being attratcive and not want to jump her bones Why would a man who loves his SO admire another woman? Admiration – what is the deal with that? Why should a woman be ok with her man admiring another woman? It gets worse when said ‘admired’ woman is half her man’s age. I don’t admire other men. I don’t admire kids half my age. I don't get it - Why should anyone (man or woman) be ok with their SO doing that?
AD1980 Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) So true!! You guys have no idea! Your hypothetical daughter would pick up on what you (and other men) find attractive and would want to achieve that. Not that unnatural if you think about it for a second. Why would a man who loves his SO admire another woman? Admiration – what is the deal with that? Why should a woman be ok with her man admiring another woman? It gets worse when said ‘admired’ woman is half her man’s age. I don’t admire other men. I don’t admire kids half my age. I don't get it - Why should anyone (man or woman) be ok with their SO doing that? Your overeacting on a meaningless word i used..Let me use a less threatening word so you can calm down..Men AND women still NOTICE other attractive people when they are in relationships it doesnt mean they would cheat or that its wrong.. Edited June 14, 2010 by AD1980
SpanksTheMonkey Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Ive been out with my SO and noticed guys Ive thought were cute before Ive even told him oh that guy is cute and hes done the same thing its no big deal why? because we are both comfortable with each other and we know were going home together nothing wrong with that to me.
Peitho Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Your overeacting on a meaningless word i used..Let me use a less threatening word so you can calm down..Men AND women still NOTICE other attractive people when they are in relationships it doesnt mean they would cheat or that its wrong.. I generally assume that people use words to articulate what they mean. It is really hard for me to detect when words are meaningless and when they are not. I have heard the same word in the same context before, so I ‘overacted’ and expressed my opinion. ‘NOTICE’ is fine, but I am not sure that is what has been discussed here. A teenage girl who finds his father’s porn, or simply notices what type of women catches his eye will undoubtedly want to look like that. She will think that her father prefers those women to her aging mother. Having said that, I’ve never ever seen a women drooling over a magazine full of naked tall men. Never! I’ve never seen a woman stopping mid sentence to take a good look of a tall man passing by. Pressure on women to look good is real and constant. I can’t believe some people can't see it – it is so obvious.
Itzonator Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 What's with women & height? It is an assumed constraint.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 This is asinine..its like saying if women oggle over some hot celebrity hunk all Men should think they have to look like one of these guys.. There are millions of Men out there who can be in a relationship admire another women being attratcive and not want to jump her bones Attraction = some level of interest. While I don't think its bad to be attracted to others outside the relationship, the fact remains that women pick up on what men do visually and verbally. And since no woman is in your head, they aren't going to seperate your visual interest in another woman with you not actually desiring her on some level. Because attraction does infact mean you have some interest in that girl. Now do I think a man should never look ? No. But I do think men should think about how their actiosn affect those around them.
SouthernSunshine Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 The short guys I've dated were stocky. They enjoyed throwing me around. I really have no height preference.
misternoname Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 Late reply but for what it's worth... I'm 5'6". Went on Match and had plenty of dates but I did combat alot of height prejudice. Eventually met my future wife (who is 5'7"). She's beautiful, thin...easily could have rejected me over height but she didn't because she 1-found me attractive 2-liked my personality 3-I made her laugh, etc. Bottom line LADIES, good things do sometimes come in small packages (pardon the pun). I agree with the original poster...alot of ladies summarily reject shorter than average guys without taking anything else into consideration. It's shallow and immature. I consider myself very lucky that I found a gal with a good head on her shoulders. She looked past my one "deficit" and ended up with a guy that treats her like a princess. I'm one happy camper because of it! P.S. Thank God she isn't a big fan of high heals LOL.
kalikula Posted July 9, 2010 Posted July 9, 2010 I have come into this thread to add that I have recently been hooking up with a short (5'7) guy and in that case, I'm guess I'm not JUST attracted to tall guys.. I think it's just easier to be picky online and discard people whose height is listed at 5'6, 5'8 whatever; than to deny when you have chemistry with someone you meet. I think a lot of women have this dream requirement but when they meet someone they really connect with, it goes out the window!
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