Ruby Slippers Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Men do it for women, too -- just not to the crazy extent women are expected to. Imagine a world of nothing but men. Don't you think most of them would stop shaving altogether, start wearing boxers around town, and probably cut way down on showering and other personal hygiene measures? (Straight) dudes don't care what other dudes look like. If there were no men in the world, there would be no reason for us women to wear makeup or dye our hair and create the illusion of being younger than we are. You wouldn't want to have sex with or attract other women (assuming you are straight), so you wouldn't care if they or you looked 20 or 40.
Serenitynow Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Lots of guys might disagree with me but I like women as natural as possible. That might be because I'm young and so are the girls I like... Maybe just a bit of makeup in some special ocations and a nice dress. Above is the average guys approach to all this crap women do to look good. WOMEN are their own worst enemies. All the stuff they are listing is done ONLY to gain an advantage over the other women in the room. MOST women will never learn that they can still get guys without the 20 item lists that you saw on here. I see girls at work that look attractive, then sometimes I see them out at night, and they look like they should be on the corner.
Author tigressA Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 If there were no men in the world, there would be no reason for us women to wear makeup or dye our hair and create the illusion of being younger than we are. You wouldn't want to have sex with or attract other women (assuming you are straight), so you wouldn't care if they or you looked 20 or 40. Exactly. I felt this kind of vibe when I was a senior in high school and visited an all-girls (and Catholic to boot) college that I was interested in. It was a specified tour/event day, so the girls participating in it were pretty decked out, but most of the girls I saw just walking around campus looked so natural, like they just didn't care. Many of them were wearing pajama pants.
Els Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Above is the average guys approach to all this crap women do to look good. WOMEN are their own worst enemies. All the stuff they are listing is done ONLY to gain an advantage over the other women in the room. MOST women will never learn that they can still get guys without the 20 item lists that you saw on here. I see girls at work that look attractive, then sometimes I see them out at night, and they look like they should be on the corner. You have no idea. It's true that some are over the top. But very few men can truly appreciate a woman who doesn't do most of the above - they do exist, as I've found out much to my happiness, but there aren't very many of them. They think that just because a woman isn't dressed or made-up extravagantly, she mustn't have done any of the above. But it's completely untrue. Again, let me give you an example of what most guys might term a 'natural' and 'attractive' woman: the picture I posted previously http://1.3qdc.com/pop-u/2007/08/10/popu_snsd_0.out.JPG . How 'natural' do you think these girls are? Does natural hair grow straight, long and silky like that, or in those ringlets? Is natural skin normally so radiant, blemish-free, smooth, and creamy? Are natural legs so hairless and smooth? Natural lips and eyes so flattering? Natural bodies so thin? Now how about a real natural? http://sigordo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dsc_0040.jpg
Ruby Slippers Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Exactly. I felt this kind of vibe when I was a senior in high school and visited an all-girls (and Catholic to boot) college that I was interested in. It was a specified tour/event day, so the girls participating in it were pretty decked out, but most of the girls I saw just walking around campus looked so natural, like they just didn't care. Many of them were wearing pajama pants. Totally makes sense. I went through my pajama-wearing phase in high school. And I had the weirdest, coolest boyfriends then. Always the guy in a band who fought the dress code about cutting his hair and was saying a big F U to our rich, conservative high school right along with me. Ah, budding revolutionaries.
somedude81 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Imagine a world of nothing but men. Don't you think most of them would stop shaving altogether, start wearing boxers around town, and probably cut way down on showering and other personal hygiene measures? (Straight) dudes don't care what other dudes look like. While I would never like to live in a world without women, you are right on somethings. I would keep working out because I like feeling strong and like the look of muscle on myself. Men notice how much muscle other guys have. I'd still shower everyday because I don't want to be dirty and that I could have bugs on me if I never showered creeps me out. I hate the smell of B.O. I'd never wear any hair product, wouldn't give a damn about my hair style and only cut it when it feels too long. Instead of shaving every 2 days, I'd do it only once a week. My style would change the most. Though the shorts I wear wouldn't change, I'd wear the cheapest most comfortable jeans and shoes. I'd wear solid color shirts and the occasional anime/video game shirt that I wouldn't dare to wear in public today. Again, let me give you an example of what most guys might term a 'natural' and 'attractive' woman: the picture I posted previously http://1.3qdc.com/pop-u/2007/08/10/popu_snsd_0.out.JPG . How 'natural' do you think these girls are? Does natural hair grow straight, long and silky like that, or in those ringlets? Is natural skin normally so radiant, blemish-free, smooth, and creamy? Are natural legs so hairless and smooth? Natural lips and eyes so flattering? Natural bodies so thin? Now how about a real natural? http://sigordo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dsc_0040.jpg LOL Elswyth, please compare apples to apples. Your first picture is what appears to be a group of young Japanese girls and the second picture are African tribal people. Last time I checked, Asian girls can't grow affros. But yeah, eventhough Asian girls are known to be naturally hairless except for there, all those girls have obviously had their hair done. The picture is too small to to see if they are wearing makeup or not.
Els Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) The problem is that no Japanese girls live in squallor, unable to afford any beauty products (those girls are actually South Korean, though, but yeah, same thing applies. ). And no, those woman aren't African, they are Malay natives from my country. But you're right. How about a picture of an 'attractive' Malay woman instead: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PwtemIQ9mak/SyvF83EbqtI/AAAAAAAAA6A/B070c5EMjpU/s400/SitiNurhaliza2.jpg And you're VERY wrong there. Asian girls are NOT naturally hairless 'except for there'. Trust me. They are evidently wearing makeup - lips and eyes are not naturally so well-defined. Edited June 4, 2010 by Elswyth
somedude81 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 My apologies on misnaming where the girls were from. I can almost always tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese, but telling Japanese from the Koreans is a little more difficult. In those cases I tend to assume that they are Japanese simply because I love the culture and their women I can tell their langages apart since I've taken one year of Japanese so far. I know very little about the other Asian countries. I've only heard that Asian girls are naturally hairless and some of the info came from primary sources Though I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong. So yeah, I agree with you, beauty products can do wonders for people.
Els Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Meh, I'm a primary source. Half of the girls I know who wear skirts often, shave regularly. I don't so I don't shave the legs, and some of the hairs are nearly an inch long.
xxoo Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Above is the average guys approach to all this crap women do to look good. WOMEN are their own worst enemies. All the stuff they are listing is done ONLY to gain an advantage over the other women in the room. I tend to agree, Serenity. I've never done all this stuff, and have gotten plenty of attention from men over the years (unsolicited, as I am married!). A scrubbed face, brushed teeth and hair, toned body from active living (not working out), and a bright smile/personality seem to be appreciated by the men in my world. The women, otoh, have higher standards for fellow women. I wonder, if women put all this effort into improving their appearance to attract men--do you worry about the quality of man you are attracting? Do you tend to attract shallow men? My H met me au naturel (well, I had clothes on, lol), and he still prefers me that way. I appreciate that!
You Go Girl Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Anyway, go girl, I'm older than you and I'm thinking I'd better get out and start conversing, lol, b/c I'm thinking I have more of a problem with being too reserved than with my appearance. A very good looking man was trying to talk to me a few weeks ago and I blew it b/c he was so handsome I couldn't even look at him. I work in an antique store, and all kinds of people come in to shop, but I swear, to gab as much as to shop. This helps to meet lots of men lol Now as for so handsome you couldn't even look at him...! Look deep into those eyes and just let yourself melt....
SadandConfusedWA Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 It always makes me laugh when guys say they like "natural". Yet, when I go completly natural (frizzy hair, no make up, track suit etc) I instantly become invisible. When I dress up, suddenly men are opening doors for me everywhere and when I travel alone I never have to lift or carry any of my luggage myself (there are always random men around that offer to help). I think guys think that make up means blue eye shadow and clown red lipstick. Most of the time they don't realize that "natural" girls are actually wearing tons of make up and have spent 30mins straightening their hair.
sally4sara Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 It always makes me laugh when guys say they like "natural". Yet, when I go completly natural (frizzy hair, no make up, track suit etc) I instantly become invisible. When I dress up, suddenly men are opening doors for me everywhere and when I travel alone I never have to lift or carry any of my luggage myself (there are always random men around that offer to help). I think guys think that make up means blue eye shadow and clown red lipstick. Most of the time they don't realize that "natural" girls are actually wearing tons of make up and have spent 30mins straightening their hair. That is odd; I have the opposite experiences. I'd get all dolled up and men rarely approached. I do not mean that they turned away if I approached, but I did have to start the ball rolling. When I roll out of bed and go get creamer for my morning coffee or some OJ, or just run errands in my bummies, THAT'S when they approach.
sweetjasmine Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 The underlined stuff is all I do most days. Good idea. Here's my regular day list: Body: - shower, shampoo, condition - clean my face, toner, moisturizer - moisturizer on my legs and arms in winter - shave legs, underarms if needed - deodorant (forgot to list that the first time around ), then body spray (usually) or maybe perfume (the Chanel Chance is for special occasions) - sometimes I'll get bored and paint my nails or toes, but not that often. Face/hair: - Every once in a while, I wear light makeup - foundation, maybe a little blush, light eyeshadow, maybe lip gloss. For going out at night, I sometimes add more eyeshadow, blush, mascara, and lipstick. - contact lenses, unless my eyes are dry - teeth, listerine - brush hair and sometimes pin it up with a hair clip - pluck stray eyebrow hairs, remove upper lip hair Clothes, etc.: - casual clothes: jeans or a skirt, a nice top/sweater unless I'm out of clean clothes and only have t-shirts; a sundress - shoes: sometimes flats, often heels. Flat shoes give me back pain and bad foot/tendon problems, so I can't walk around in them all day long everyday. - underwear: alternating between more plain cotton ones and nice stretchy lace ones - accessories: I'm always wearing my two sets of earrings and nose stud and the ring my SO gave me. I sometimes wear my hats - different ones at different times during the year (wool cloche, lighter cloche, straw sunhat, etc.). Winter scarves and summer scarves, Grace Kelly style, with my 50s sunglasses. I only own two purses, but I only ever use one. Other: - exercise: lots of walking, ballet, pilates, yoga - diet: just a conscious effort to eat healthy without starving That's about it. I do almost all of it for me, and some days, I'm too tired/uninspired to do more than half of it. My stuff to avoid list: surgery, botox, chemical teeth whitening, tanning (in a tanning bed or spray on), lip collagen injections, diet pills, diet supplements, extreme diets, extreme exercise, hair coloring, brazilian wax (ouch!), professional manicures/pedicures (not worth the money for me)
somedude81 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 When guys say they prefer natural it means they don't want to see this, this or this and haven forbid this. All we care is that we want you to look natural, while covering your imperfections.
USMCHokie Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All we care is that we want you to look natural, while covering your imperfections. Heh...this is funny...so you want women to "look" natural, while covering up what they naturally look like...?
sweetjasmine Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All we care is that we want you to look natural, while covering your imperfections. It's not natural. That's the whole point, dude. People naturally have imperfections. If someone covers up imperfections with make-up, they don't look natural. A better way to phrase your post would be: "All we care is that we want you to wear make-up without putting so much on that we're reminded you're wearing make-up every time we look at you. We want to pretend you have no imperfections and that it takes you zero work to look like that because if we think about how much you've done, it's a turn-off, even though we don't do anything about our own facial imperfections."
MrNate Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Just a thought: I find it hilarious when women start talking about how much they get hit on/ approached by men, married or otherwise. I'm not making any conclusions about it, I just find it interesting.
somedude81 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) It's not natural. That's the whole point, dude. People naturally have imperfections. If someone covers up imperfections with make-up, they don't look natural. A better way to phrase your post would be: "All we care is that we want you to wear make-up without putting so much on that we're reminded you're wearing make-up every time we look at you. We want to pretend you have no imperfections and that it takes you zero work to look like that because if we think about how much you've done, it's a turn-off, even though we don't do anything about our own facial imperfections." Perfect, that's exactly what I wanted to say. The unboolded part is wrong though. I use a face wash twice day so I don't look greasy. I shave to look nice. I also trim my nose hairs, make sure I don't have a unibrow and pluck a hair that grows from a mole. BTW, don't be mad at men because we don't wear makeup. You're the ones who want to look better than we do. Edited June 4, 2010 by somedude81
Ruby Slippers Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Well, I tried a little experiment today. Lately I've been blowing out my hair and wearing a touch of makeup most of the time when I go anywhere. But today, I gave a very quick blow-dry, used hardly any product, wore no makeup at all, and wore a simple brown tank, blue shorts, and brown flip-flops. I was out for about half an hour, and I got honked at about 5 times and got some kind of comment from about 15 guys. Interesting. It could be that it's early summer, it's a gorgeous day, I had lots of skin showing, and everybody's all ready to get down. Man, I know I am. I am ready for some FUN.
MrNate Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I don't know what half these products women listed are. I am so confused. What is a toner? exfoliant?!
MrNate Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Well, I tried a little experiment today. Lately I've been blowing out my hair and wearing a touch of makeup most of the time when I go anywhere. But today, I gave a very quick blow-dry, used hardly any product, wore no makeup at all, and wore a simple brown tank, blue shorts, and brown flip-flops. I was out for about half an hour, and I got honked at about 5 times and got some kind of comment from about 15 guys. Interesting. It could be that it's early summer, it's a gorgeous day, I had lots of skin showing, and everybody's all ready to get down. Man, I know I am. I am ready for some FUN. lol do you women just sign on these forums to brag about who gets more attention? But honestly, I do wonder, it seems like many (just about all) of you women really don't have problems when it comes to attracting/keeping men. So why the need to be on a forum such as this?
Zed Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Well, I tried a little experiment today. Lately I've been blowing out my hair and wearing a touch of makeup most of the time when I go anywhere. But today, I gave a very quick blow-dry, used hardly any product, wore no makeup at all, and wore a simple brown tank, blue shorts, and brown flip-flops. I was out for about half an hour, and I got honked at about 5 times and got some kind of comment from about 15 guys. Interesting. It could be that it's early summer, it's a gorgeous day, I had lots of skin showing, and everybody's all ready to get down. Man, I know I am. I am ready for some FUN. It could be that without the affectations you are just naturally attractive/beautiful. You don't really need to do anything. When you add the glam stuff, perhaps the reason you don’t get approached is that you seem unattainable to men. When women say they are natural and they get hit on by guys, it because they are already physically attractive to begin with and/or they give off an unconscious but approachable vibe. I see that a lot here.
SarahRose Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 lol do you women just sign on these forums to brag about who gets more attention? But honestly, I do wonder, it seems like many (just about all) of you women really don't have problems when it comes to attracting/keeping men. So why the need to be on a forum such as this? I don't think the sole purpose of this forum is for people who can't attract or keep someone. I've never had a problem attracting or keeping men. I had various boyfriends throughout high school. I then married in my early 20s and spent 20 years as a trophy wife. Then divorced and I wasn't divorced but a few months when I met my current husband. So no, I have no problem at all. I like this forum for the social aspect of it.
SilentVoice Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 So people really wake up in the morning and wash up too attract the opposite sex?That is just very random I wash my hair for myself. I shave for myself(hairy legs are gross). I do my hair for myself. I buy nice clothes for myself. And from doing these things for "myself" I show that I am confident and that is where attracting men comes in. This is why so many people get into relationships and fall of the damn boat. You are suppose to do these things for yourself and make yourself happy and hopefully you can make someone else happy by being happy yourself.
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