Stung Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 God I am getting really tired of this bitterness crap. If this is the kind of attitude that underpins your interactions and world view then it is no wonder that you're having bad luck. If you're as smart as you say, then start putting some teeth in your statistics instead of dodging all the relevant factors and falling victim to every bias I can put a name to. "Obsessed with statistics" my ass. Being respectful to women -- being a gentleman -- is a rare skill to have. Many people think they are being a gentleman when they're not. I am reminded of my uncle, who would open doors for women, to be sure, but then turn into a complete monster later, behind closed doors, if things didn't go his way. The attitude permeates itself through your body language, word choice, actions, thoughts, and, in general, through how you present yourself. What angers me more than your attitude is how you blatantly ignore anything that clashes with your view. It's like you intentionally filter for things that justify a hatred in women. Teaching people to be womanizing *******s will only attract a certain type of woman. You can still be an aggressive, confident, cocky gentleman without falling into the "nice guy doormat gentleman" category that so many fall into and wonder why women misuse them and leave. Thank you. I will say that reading these twisted, illogical and pathetic threads makes me appreciate my husband even more than I did already. And believe me I absolutely do plan on doing my best to raise my son to be like his father: a good man.
Morals Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I realize that you should just do it for something in return but why go through life being a doormat for people who will never appreciate it? I think Woggle hit the nail on the head here. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gentleman. But what's the point of doing so, even if for yourself if you don't get at least a modicum of respect in return? Doing something for yourself is fine, but being nice and a gentleman requires alot of conditioning, restraint even sometimes, and alot of energy to act differently then the rest of the ilk nowadays. The thing is, all this energy is released and eventually people need reciprication of some sort. Emotional energy doesn't come from anywhere, it needs to be reinforced otherwise it loses focus. It's the same reason people who have a hard time finding relationships, continue to have a hard time finding relationships. They find themselves exerting energy, only to have nothing to show for it, they continue exerting that energy, but the pool of energy decreases every time they fail. Eventually that pool shrinks to nothing and they find themselves in a negative spiral of emotions. Being nice is it's own reward, but sometimes...just sometimes it's nice to have that genuinely returned, if for no other reason then to know that there are other people out there who share your same views.
You Go Girl Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I don't know where all these 'gentlemen' are hiding out. Is there a cave somewhere? Most of us women can't find a gentleman if our life depended on it.
whichwayisup Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Noone wants a "jerk" or the "nice" guy. Same goes with men. MOST humans want someone they can be compatible with, comfortable with, share love, fun and respect one another. You can still be a nice guy and have a backbone and speak your mind strongly without being an @sshole. You are hurting and have pain from your past. don't we all!! Problem is, you are going to put YOUR hurt and pain on an innocent child, a son if you have one.. ALL based on your own personal experiences, choices you made. That is so unfair and it'll mess your son up. Get help. Go talk to someone about your issues. You seem insecure (yes I caught that line (big if, I couldn't imagine a woman letting me impregnate her), that reeks of someone who has no self confidence.
Author OpenGL Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 I don't know where all these 'gentlemen' are hiding out. Is there a cave somewhere? Most of us women can't find a gentleman if our life depended on it. Hi
whichwayisup Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Most of us women can't find a gentleman if our life depended on it. Then keep looking. I guess I've been lucky most of my life. Had a great father, good role model, a fun and caring brother and most of my experiences in life with men, as friends and as boyfriends (well, minus one boyfriend, he was a dIIkhead) have all been good. Most of my friends who are married have husbands who treat them well, (it goes both ways, they treat their husband's well too) and are happy.
VertexSquared Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I am now officially convinced that OpenGL is a troll.
seekandfind Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 openGL, Your post is so ridiculous that I made this account 10 minutes ago in order to reply. I am a 20-year old male full-time college student. I was raised in a strict Christian family, and was taught the best of morals and how to a "nice young man". To this day, I not the same person I was 5 years ago (college is definitely a time of growth/self-development!), but I am still a pretty nice guy. But I also have a f*cking spine, and I know that bending over backwards for women and letting them ignore my needs is ASKING for failure. Women are attracted to personable, outgoing, friendly guys who are assertive and are not afraid of rejection and taking chances. If you treat a certain girl as if she is the only female on this earth, she *knows* that she has you by the balls and can do whatever she pleases. Guess what? There are over 3 billion girls on this earth. And you interact with dozens on a daily basis. And you can interact with hundred's more without too much effort. So don't put the vag on a pedastal! Girls want to meet guys just as much as guys want to meet girls. So stop being a pussy, ask some girls out, and don't give any individual girl too much attention and until she has shown you that she is worth it. At the same time, work on yourself (hit the gym, pursue your favorite hobbies, etc) and work on your goals. Girls like guys who are doing things with their lives. Be nice/friendly, CONFIDENT, and ASSERTIVE, and don't be a desperate push-over. Attractive, quality girls who want men like this are out there, and it may take some time to find one that you connect with, but it can and will happen if you have the right mindset.
Woggle Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I am basically a good guy that will go out of my way to help a friend but I am not a martyr. I am not one of those people that goes out of their way to be nice to people who will take advatage of ity or just throw it back in my face. I see no pride or honor in living like that. I don't mistreat women but I will be damned if I go out of my way to be a gentlemen to a woman that is going to throw it back in my face or take advantage of it. A woman should have to earn that type of treatment from a man and not be entitled to it just because she is female. Too many men are being gentlemenly towards women who did nothing to deserve it.
Woggle Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I am now officially convinced that OpenGL is a troll. He may or may not be a troll but what he says is 100% true.
whichwayisup Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 openGL, Your post is so ridiculous that I made this account 10 minutes ago in order to reply. I am a 20-year old male full-time college student. I was raised in a strict Christian family, and was taught the best of morals and how to a "nice young man". To this day, I not the same person I was 5 years ago (college is definitely a time of growth/self-development!), but I am still a pretty nice guy. But I also have a f*cking spine, and I know that bending over backwards for women and letting them ignore my needs is ASKING for failure. Women are attracted to personable, outgoing, friendly guys who are assertive and are not afraid of rejection and taking chances. If you treat a certain girl as if she is the only female on this earth, she *knows* that she has you by the balls and can do whatever she pleases. Guess what? There are over 3 billion girls on this earth. And you interact with dozens on a daily basis. And you can interact with hundred's more without too much effort. So don't put the vag on a pedastal! Girls want to meet guys just as much as guys want to meet girls. So stop being a pussy, ask some girls out, and don't give any individual girl too much attention and until she has shown you that she is worth it. At the same time, work on yourself (hit the gym, pursue your favorite hobbies, etc) and work on your goals. Girls like guys who are doing things with their lives. Be nice/friendly, CONFIDENT, and ASSERTIVE, and don't be a desperate push-over. Attractive, quality girls who want men like this are out there, and it may take some time to find one that you connect with, but it can and will happen if you have the right mindset. Two thumbs up for the new guy! Welcome to LS. Great post.
Pyro Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 openGL, Your post is so ridiculous that I made this account 10 minutes ago in order to reply. I am a 20-year old male full-time college student. I was raised in a strict Christian family, and was taught the best of morals and how to a "nice young man". To this day, I not the same person I was 5 years ago (college is definitely a time of growth/self-development!), but I am still a pretty nice guy. But I also have a f*cking spine, and I know that bending over backwards for women and letting them ignore my needs is ASKING for failure. Women are attracted to personable, outgoing, friendly guys who are assertive and are not afraid of rejection and taking chances. If you treat a certain girl as if she is the only female on this earth, she *knows* that she has you by the balls and can do whatever she pleases. Guess what? There are over 3 billion girls on this earth. And you interact with dozens on a daily basis. And you can interact with hundred's more without too much effort. So don't put the vag on a pedastal! Girls want to meet guys just as much as guys want to meet girls. So stop being a pussy, ask some girls out, and don't give any individual girl too much attention and until she has shown you that she is worth it. At the same time, work on yourself (hit the gym, pursue your favorite hobbies, etc) and work on your goals. Girls like guys who are doing things with their lives. Be nice/friendly, CONFIDENT, and ASSERTIVE, and don't be a desperate push-over. Attractive, quality girls who want men like this are out there, and it may take some time to find one that you connect with, but it can and will happen if you have the right mindset. for being only 20 years old, those are some wise and accurate words. Welcome to the shack.
Woggle Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is.
Pyro Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 He may or may not be a troll but what he says is 100% true. you are wrong. Post #33 is 100% true.
whichwayisup Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is. Oh good grief Wog. Not everyone thinks this way about the opposite sex. It's like saying every person from whatever 'race' is stereotypical. And that isn't true at all.....If you know what I mean and where I'm going with this.
whichwayisup Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 you are wrong. Post #33 is 100% true. I agree. 100%. And I'm betting 95% agree with us too.
Pyro Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is. if we all were to look through the eyes of a bitter person such as yourself and the OP that is how we would view the world. Through the eyes of a rational human being we see the world as a mix of both successful and unsuccessful stories. You have no reason to be bitter if you are happily married. I will start calling BS on you being happily married if you continue to be so bitter.
seekandfind Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is. Did you read my post? Being a jackass loser may attract some chicks (and some hotties also), but finding anything of lasting substance is unlikely. And for kickers, the standard mental/emotional maturity of girls who love a-holes leaves something to be desired.
sweetjasmine Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is. Yes, he's absolutely right that the best plan is to teach your son to physically and emotionally abuse women and to abuse drugs and be completely irresponsible, self-destructive, and abusive. So why don't you start doing those things? Why don't you and your wife have a baby and raise it that way if you think OP is 100% correct?
ADF Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 All you guys coming on here to bash the OP will in time learn how right he is. Not so. As I said earlier, women's attraction to jerks fades fast as they start to get a little older. Lots of women in their teens and early twenties may lust after the swaggering, hyper-macho, love-'em-and-leave-'em jerks. But women in their late 20s, 30s, and beyond are much less impressed by men like that. Wait a few years and you'll see I'm right.
Pyro Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Did you read my post? Being a jackass loser may attract some chicks (and some hotties also), but finding anything of lasting substance is unlikely. And for kickers, the standard mental/emotional maturity of girls who love a-holes leaves something to be desired. Get use to this. He will ignore posts like yours all the time because he knows you are right but if he agrees with you it will make him look weak. He will come back and comment on other peoples posts and ignore yours, but if he does he will say something along the lines of "well that is what I have seen" and therefore makes him believe that he is correct. Not so. As I said earlier, women's attraction to jerks fades fast as they start to get a little older. Lots of women in their teens and early twenties may lust after the swaggering, hyper-macho, love-'em-and-leave-'em jerks. But women in their late 20s, 30s, and beyond are much less impressed by men like that. Wait a few years and you'll see I'm right. I think he is the only one who doesn't think you are right.
Woggle Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Not so. As I said earlier, women's attraction to jerks fades fast as they start to get a little older. Lots of women in their teens and early twenties may lust after the swaggering, hyper-macho, love-'em-and-leave-'em jerks. But women in their late 20s, 30s, and beyond are much less impressed by men like that. Wait a few years and you'll see I'm right. No they settle for a nice guy and then end up cheating on him when some smooth player flirts with them. They are never actually happy with these good guys they end up with. Do you actually read the posts on this board from countless women who do just that? If they stay single they usually end up bitter manhaters who make all men pay for the actions of the players.
Woggle Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Yes, he's absolutely right that the best plan is to teach your son to physically and emotionally abuse women and to abuse drugs and be completely irresponsible, self-destructive, and abusive. So why don't you start doing those things? Why don't you and your wife have a baby and raise it that way if you think OP is 100% correct? I said I disagreed with that part but if I had a son I would much rather he be a player than be some faithful husband that is betrayed and treated like garbage.
Chicago_Guy Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I don't know where all these 'gentlemen' are hiding out. Is there a cave somewhere? Most of us women can't find a gentleman if our life depended on it. That is because most women think gentlemen are boring and they therefore overlook these men. OpenGL has probably experienced this and that is why he is so bitter. I don't agree with everything he wrote, although some of what he wrote made sense. We are taught to keep out heads down, work hard in school, and be successful in our jobs. Maybe most women used to value these things 40 years ago, but a large percentage of women don't value these things today. I swear that some women would be prefer to date a bartender over a young professional because he's more "exciting" or something like that. It's hard for men to understand why women make these dating decisions because it seems so illogical to us and as a result some people, like OpenGL, get very frustrated.
Pyro Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 No they settle for a nice guy and then end up cheating on him when some smooth player flirts with them. They are never actually happy with these good guys they end up with. Do you actually read the posts on this board from countless women who do just that? If they stay single they usually end up bitter manhaters who make all men pay for the actions of the players. so how soon before your wife cheats on you?
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