USMCHokie Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Yes, I'm not big on trying to look hot. I get by just fine with being "average". But others I forgot: Apply make-up Blow-dry, straighten or curl hair Pick cute outfit (although honestly, I love this part of the day!) Wear (and dance in) high heel shoes Do everything in one's power to fight nature and "not age". I'll do a quick one for the guys: Do a quick workout at the gym so you can look all big for your date. Shower and shave. Apply some deodorant, put some crap in your hair, and spritz some cologne if you need. Put on a shirt. Put on a pair of pants. Put on a pair of shoes. Out the door. Yea, I'm glad to be a guy on this one...
brokenblade Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Here's how I look hot. Work out in nature Dress nice Eat Healthy (Diet makes difference) Body Language Keep Clean Meditate Martial Arts Stand straight (don't hunch over, doesn't look good even on Denzel)
Els Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 The difference is especially obvious when the bf stays with me. We get ready to go out - both of us brush our teeth, bathe, and wash our hair, I shave my pits and use an additional hair conditioner and face cleanser. He runs a hand through his hair and pulls on a tee and shorts. I apply moisturiser and hair serum and comb my hair, before pulling on a tee and jeans. And despite him doing less, he looks averagely-dressed, whereas I look underdressed because I don't blowdry or style my hair, don't apply makeup, and don't wear heels!
xxoo Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 a girl who is 7 but real nice (has all the positive personality traits) is usually described as " 7 which is so cool it makes her actually 9 and for me personally is 10). Then, why not just call her a "10"? I'm out of the game, and don't care about the scale. I guess I wonder why women care how random men would rate them on a scale of 1-10. Why care? You only need one person to think you are a 10, and that person will think you are a 10 regardless of how you compare to Giselle physically. Still, I'm a little curious. Is there a celebrity example of a "5"? A "2"? An "8"?
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 1. Be constantly on a diet 2. Spend ton of money on make up 3. Go to the gym 4. Get manicure pedicure 5. Shave-wax legs and eyebrows 6. Spend tons of money on clothes (and keep up on current trends) Sounds to me like if all you guys have to do is go to the gym, then you have pretty easy . My only issue with the 1-10 scale is that some people think it's "external". In other words, they assume that because they think a person is a 10, everyone will agree that person is a 10. They then assume a lot of things about this person, instead of trying to get to know them for who they are. (Like it must mean this person gets hit on a lot so I have to stand out to impress them). And, I've seen use girls the 1-10 scale (as recently as today on this very forum), so you guys are not exempt. Kamille I really enjoy your input. Every time I read your posts it is like light at the end of tunnel - very cool, very smart, no issues. However I have to disagree with you here! (and keep up on current trends)...guys don't give a shyt. What was sexy in ancient Egytp is sexy now. Actually jeans and tshirt is fine. If current trends mean jeans with pockets so low it looks like your azz is sagging...then I say screw the trend. Come on, most of them who make the trends are gay weirdos anyway. I know 10 and believe me they are 10 to anyone, except the blind man with no hands. Are you trying to tell us that being 10 also means to put up with lots of prejudice? Or that it can make her unapproachable? Yeah I've met 28 year old virgin 9.5. Don't know what her real problem was. But guys surely kept their distance. She was a little weird though but hard to tell if good looks are to blame or her perception of herself.
brainygirl Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 The difference is especially obvious when the bf stays with me. We get ready to go out - both of us brush our teeth, bathe, and wash our hair, I shave my pits and use an additional hair conditioner and face cleanser. He runs a hand through his hair and pulls on a tee and shorts. I apply moisturiser and hair serum and comb my hair, before pulling on a tee and jeans. And despite him doing less, he looks averagely-dressed, whereas I look underdressed because I don't blowdry or style my hair, don't apply makeup, and don't wear heels! God! I hate the heels! I am five two and I will only wear heels under two conditions. One being I am wearing my boots which have a heel and two being I am on a job interview. For work I wear flats or athletic shoes. For hanign out its sandals or flip flops. I don't blow dry either, but I'm lucky in that I have very straight hair that drys pretty nicely. Still, I hate to hear that while I honestly don't examin other people's hair, shoes, or clothing labels, guy who supposedly aren't into that sort of thing do.
Stung Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) Theres nothing wrong with it, just ignore the women speak. It's so hard to figure out why you can't get a date. OP, to women, 'cute' is subjective and acknowledged to be so. It's an affirmation of a positive trait, an acknowledgement that a guy has good hands, or beautiful eyes, or whatever, that certain something. Saying that a guy is not cute, to most women, is just generally an acknowledgement that the guy doesn't have the je ne se quois that floats the girl's boat. I don't find my bff's husband cute, and she does, so what? At least my acknowledgement of him as a person is not in doubt, as my attraction/lack of attraction for himdoesn't reduce him, or any other men, to a number. In any case, your whole premise is wrong. Women have a very wide gradient for prospective mates which takes in both looks and overall impression of personality, from Prince Charming to Hot-but-boring to Charismatic-and-appealing to Cute-and-interesting to Cute-but-meh to Average-yet-strangely-compelling to Average-and-neutral to Meh-maybe-if-we're-drinking before we ever hit "Not cute/fail". Edited June 3, 2010 by Stung
sweetjasmine Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 And, I've seen use girls the 1-10 scale (as recently as today on this very forum), so you guys are not exempt. Yeah, true. My issues with the 1-10 scale is that people often use it to describe someone they already know, (eg, "I'm dating this guy, and he treats me well, but he's a 4! ") and that others use it as a tool to devise some kind of strategy to pick people up. I don't like it when people say things like, "That person's a 5, so I'm going to ignore them and wait for an 8 or higher to walk by" or "What if the 10 doesn't respond to my pick up and the 8 sees that? Should I go for the 8 first or should I try the 10 to boost my confidence?" or "I'm going to chat up some 3s and 4s and work my way up until I feel comfortable enough for a 10." That sort of sh-t is objectifying and insulting, even though the original 1-10 scale junk is simply shallow. Blegh.
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Then, why not just call her a "10"? I'm out of the game, and don't care about the scale. I guess I wonder why women care how random men would rate them on a scale of 1-10. Why care? You only need one person to think you are a 10, and that person will think you are a 10 regardless of how you compare to Giselle physically. Still, I'm a little curious. Is there a celebrity example of a "5"? A "2"? An "8"? 5...main character from 30 Rock (I don't have TV so I don't remember the names etc.) 2... any 5 who thinks she is 9 (most of daughters of the producers). 8...Wynona Rayder (I hope I spelled that well) But mind you, I come from a country known for very attractive girls, so I have my standards high. And I'm the Face Man.
marsle85 Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 But mind you, I come from a country known for very attractive girls, so I have my standards high. And I'm the Face Man. ........gag
Els Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 God! I hate the heels! I am five two and I will only wear heels under two conditions. One being I am wearing my boots which have a heel and two being I am on a job interview. For work I wear flats or athletic shoes. For hanign out its sandals or flip flops. I don't blow dry either, but I'm lucky in that I have very straight hair that drys pretty nicely. Ooh job interviews, does it really help? I tend to avoid that at interviews as I'm unused to them so they'd be a distraction, and I'd prefer to have full concentration during interviews. But that's just me. I think I've only ever worn heels to proms, formal dinners and weddings. Still, I hate to hear that while I honestly don't examin other people's hair, shoes, or clothing labels, guy who supposedly aren't into that sort of thing do. Thing is, they don't! They just look at the results, and don't have a clue how that came to be. That's why you get comments like 'OMG that's one ass I'd like to f***', when they've no idea that it looks all pert and tight due to the 5-inch heels she's wearing under the jeans. Or 'wow, that's some cleavage', not knowing that she paid a fortune for the Wonderbra that's creating all the cleavage. And the all-famous 'she looks great without makeup!', when most celebrities in fact have VERY professionally-done makeup that succeeds in making them look 'natural'.
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 ........gag Do you prefer Azz Man or Boobs Man then? I don't care for t!ts or azz that much, makes me that WRONG? I don't want to be a weirdo, help!
marsle85 Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 But it's much easier for a girl to look hot compared to men. 1. Don't be fatty foods. 2. Wear make-up. Guys have to go to the gym regularly. What what what what Are you serious?
Kamille Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 5...main character from 30 Rock (I don't have TV so I don't remember the names etc.) Not a guy but I disagree. Tina Fey is HOT. She's got looks and personality. See, that's one other problem with the scale; it gives the false sense of being "quantified science", as if one day all of humanity will agree on universal standards of beauty. Since standard of beauty are not only very much culturally defined but also incredibly subjective, this is (hopefully) never going to happen. Also, I just thought of a night when I was out with friends and a bunch of guys were going around screaming numbers at girls, as if these guys were entitled to "grading" the girls. Obviously this wasn't about the girls but about "male bonding". Still, considering that beauty is still seen as "important" for women, they were basically bullying the girls in the bar. It was really disturbing.
Lakeside_runner Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 I don't like the whole 1-10 scale. It's useless, unless you really like to sit on a bench in a park and "rate" every girl that passes by, but then don't you have better things to do? This goes actually along with my hatred towards "approaching girls". I used to think that this is the ONLY way to meet a significant other and was terrified by the whole idea. I gave it some thinking and it just creeped me out. It's just so fake and random. It's like you pretend that you want to get to know someone just because you saw them in public. Why would you want to do that? Both parties know - initially you're attracted solely to their looks, thus you've reduced them to their physical appearance. I think, a good way to meet someone is to interact with people on a semi-/regular basis. Like a running group for instance. This may not work for everyone since it depends on what type of girls you're looking for. I feel the most happy with a shy and sporty girl. In a running group there is a steady rotation of people - new people show up, some people leave etc. There is also a lot of regulars. It is a, not too small, but closed community of people with a common interest which is always a good ice-breaker. I can see how these girls interact with other people i.e. are they very outgoing or are they shy etc. The way they speak, the way they smile. In other words I can observe who they are as a PERSON, what their behavior is like and if I like it or not. Then if I want to get to know them better because I think I'd like them as a PERSON, there is plenty of stuff to talk about - races coming up, why do they run, do they do other sports and so on. Usually, during the run, people chat so it's easy to start talking to them. If I like the conversation, I ask for the phone number. I haven't been doing it for long (actually a month) but so far I got three phone numbers (out of three attempts). I won't pursue any of these girls since I'll be leaving - they all know it, but I don't think this has played any role. I'm sure that someone will write - ONLY three numbers? That's nothing. But all these numbers are numbers of girls that I like and I'm interested in them as PEOPLE and the success rate is 100%. I'm planning on going out for coffee with them and I'm sure we won't run out of topics to talk about since I ALREADY know some things about them so I can build up on it plus I'm genuinely interested in them as PEOPLE and not some random 'hot girl'. I don't care what the public consensus on their attractiveness level is (well, they are nice and athletic...). I find them very attractive and I'm not denying that this played a part in drawing my attention (I'm a guy after all) but if their interaction with the rest of the group would be something that I don't like I'd never even attempt to go beyond a casual conversation. All of them are single, yet all have that certain something that makes you wonder why they're still single .
brainygirl Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Ooh job interviews, does it really help? I tend to avoid that at interviews as I'm unused to them so they'd be a distraction, and I'd prefer to have full concentration during interviews. But that's just me. I think I've only ever worn heels to proms, formal dinners and weddings. Thing is, they don't! They just look at the results, and don't have a clue how that came to be. That's why you get comments like 'OMG that's one ass I'd like to f***', when they've no idea that it looks all pert and tight due to the 5-inch heels she's wearing under the jeans. Or 'wow, that's some cleavage', not knowing that she paid a fortune for the Wonderbra that's creating all the cleavage. And the all-famous 'she looks great without makeup!', when most celebrities in fact have VERY professionally-done makeup that succeeds in making them look 'natural'. I wear them because I am so short, I've found that because I am small and I work with high school kids a little extra height gives me a bit of an edge with male administrators who are used to being able to use size to control kids. I wear slacks to interview so no one can tell I've got four inch heels instead of conservative one or two inch heels on. It is frustrating that a lot of what these guys say makes a woman a ten versus a five is all external.
Kamille Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Thing is, they don't! They just look at the results, and don't have a clue how that came to be. That's why you get comments like 'OMG that's one ass I'd like to f***', when they've no idea that it looks all pert and tight due to the 5-inch heels she's wearing under the jeans. Or 'wow, that's some cleavage', not knowing that she paid a fortune for the Wonderbra that's creating all the cleavage. And the all-famous 'she looks great without makeup!', when most celebrities in fact have VERY professionally-done makeup that succeeds in making them look 'natural'. Absolutely! so many of my guys friends say they like "natural" girls, but when it really comes down to it, they like girly girls (who just make is seem like they spent no time fussing over hair, make-up, outfit, waxing, etc, but who in fact just spent over an hour doing all that stuff).
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Ooh job interviews, does it really help? I tend to avoid that at interviews as I'm unused to them so they'd be a distraction, and I'd prefer to have full concentration during interviews. But that's just me. I think I've only ever worn heels to proms, formal dinners and weddings. Thing is, they don't! They just look at the results, and don't have a clue how that came to be. That's why you get comments like 'OMG that's one ass I'd like to f***', when they've no idea that it looks all pert and tight due to the 5-inch heels she's wearing under the jeans. Or 'wow, that's some cleavage', not knowing that she paid a fortune for the Wonderbra that's creating all the cleavage. And the all-famous 'she looks great without makeup!', when most celebrities in fact have VERY professionally-done makeup that succeeds in making them look 'natural'. We certainly do appreciate the effort and the final product. However 5inch heels add like 0.2 percent to your otherwise perfect butt. They don't make saggy azz any less saggier. But we hate that you are nervous and angry and can't enjoy the dance because your shoes are killing you. Or that we have to wait one hour to get a 5% more hotter version of gf. Which is 5% over boiling point hot anyway.
Els Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 We certainly do appreciate the effort and the final product. However 5inch heels add like 0.2 percent to your otherwise perfect butt. They don't make saggy azz any less saggier. But we hate that you are nervous and angry and can't enjoy the dance because your shoes are killing you. Or that we have to wait one hour to get a 5% more hotter version of gf. Which is 5% over boiling point hot anyway. That's what all guys SAY. But few guys truly know what it entails. You have no idea how much difference heels make aesthetically, trust me.
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Not a guy but I disagree. Tina Fey is HOT. She's got looks and personality. I was asked about examples. Why do you bring up personality. I know she is cool but her looks for me 5...plain Jane. See, that's one other problem with the scale; it gives the false sense of being "quantified science", as if one day all of humanity will agree on universal standards of beauty. Since standard of beauty are not only very much culturally defined but also incredibly subjective, this is (hopefully) never going to happen. There is universal scale of beauty independent of race, culture and time. Perverted ideas aside. And it is so, because certain features signify health. Watch this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X83Eez47mY&feature=related Also, I just thought of a night when I was out with friends and a bunch of guys were going around screaming numbers at girls, as if these guys were entitled to "grading" the girls. Obviously this wasn't about the girls but about "male bonding". Still, considering that beauty is still seen as "important" for women, they were basically bullying the girls in the bar. It was really disturbing. Azzholes do exist, I guess.
Bartender Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 the 1-10 scale on pure physical attraction is rigged due to the fact we're not only evaluating their physical appearance when we first see somebody, but body language as well. so if you're not an 8 or 9 in a still photo, you can present yourself as an 8 or 9 by entering a room with confidence and a genuine (not fake) smile on your face. you can also lose points quickly in your first appearance as well if it looks like you're trying way to hard or enter a room with a snobby/btchy aura.
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 That's what all guys SAY. But few guys truly know what it entails. You have no idea how much difference heels make aesthetically, trust me. Thats because you are not objective observer. You are comparing other butts to yours. And fear has big eyes Meanwhile the real experts...guys...we just know when we see perfect butt...and it stays perfect on heels or not.
marsle85 Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 lol... she's right though. Heels do WONDERS for your booty, and this is coming from a girl who HAS a great ass. I'm telling you, heels. do. a. lot. for the whooolee package.
rewe4reel Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Still, I'm a little curious. Is there a celebrity example of a "5"? A "2"? An "8"? Yes, the four "Sex and the City" chicks are all pretty hideous, esp. in close-up twenty feet high on the big screen. Is there an uglier "celebrity" woman than Sarah Jessica Parker, aka "Mr. Ed"? She's absolutely revolting. She must be a great actress because she sure didn't get famous on her looks. Is it possible to have a negative score on this scale? I'd give her maybe a minus 3 or 4.
DanielMadr Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 lol... she's right though. Heels do WONDERS for your booty, and this is coming from a girl who HAS a great ass. I'm telling you, heels. do. a. lot. for the whooolee package. Yes. It makes your azz stick out and your legs/calf looks better and posture is straight. And it signals submissiveness on subconscious level...you can't run that fast....you are vulnerable. Again. We appreciate that all makeup, hair care, nails everything. But don't obsess about it. But if you wake me up because you are sneaking out to bathroom to paint a new face in the morning...I'm not gonna like it. I need to rest.
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