MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 The way you guys act about photos and porn and other images, it seems like there is nothing but a dim 2watt bulb in there. Because women act so dignified when they talk about who they consider beef cakes. Gotcha.
Author SarahRose Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 Exactly. Heck, I dare ask what about the women who think photoshopped images of men are real. Why aren't men raising hell over this? But seeing as that these questions would be taken as diverting away from the issue, and avoiding answering any questions, I won't ask them, and will leave them out. What's even funnier is how the phrase 'some men' is included in the thread title, and we (all males) still get blasted. Probably because you don't see women obsessed with fake photos of naked men the way you see men obsess and defend their nudie girl pic collection.
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Probably because you don't see women obsessed with fake photos of naked men the way you see men obsess and defend their nudie girl pic collection. Hm, I dunno. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that visual images greatly appeal to the senses of men? I dunno. But if that's not the case, then I believe women need to stop wearing makes up, don't bother with heels or dresses, or shave anything. And definitely drop the perfume and lingerie. Because clearly it has nothing to do at all with looking presentable to men.
Woggle Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Plenty a marriage is destroyed because a woman's husband does not live up to some romantic fantasy that does not exist in real life so women are just as bad.
Author SarahRose Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 The problem is like this> "My husband does not sleep with me anymore. Either thanks to Internet porn or thanks to our younger neighbor. All men are pigs(not only my man) and society is to blame for that because......" What I find shocking is how this BS gets magnified in media and women magazines like it is a real problem. I think I should blame the media and society I didn't get laid last weekend...my date was brainwashed to think of me as a pig just because I have a penis. Sue them, ban them, shame them. I'm a VICTIM. It is not my fault. I have a gut. Cried to her about how all women think of men as pigs. And I didn't get laid. It is not my fault. She was brainwashed. And she is superficial too...my gut is natural. IT IS NOT MY FAULT. I'm feeling much better know I know it is society's fault and media. Aaaaargh:p You know, you guys act so smug and think you have the last laugh when you completely dismiss any female existence that is plus 20 pounds or over the age of 30. The real beauty for me is that I work in management of a very male dominated industry and most of my employees are men and yeah they had better respect me and try to understand me or I can make their lives a living hell. I just want to say that 99% of the time I am treated with respect but there has been a time or two some usually young guy with the attitudes displayed here brings it to the workplace and I don't hesitate to bust his balls...because I can. I guess the bottom line is that I am old enough not to give a **** what some insecure guy thinks of me. My issue is with the young impressionable girls who don't have the confidence that I do to see through this rubbish.
rewe4reel Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 What's really interesting is when you go to the movies and sit up close (my kid likes to sit in the front row.) When the camera zooms in for a close up, you can see every facial blemish, pore, zit, wen, wart, etc., it's magnified so much, also a big problem with HDTV. And, this is even with whatever professional make up job has been done on the actors. Also, the movie stars make a lot of use of "body doubles" for nude scenes, so for example Catherine Zeta-Jones's @ss might not really be Catherine Zeta-Jones's @ss.
Author SarahRose Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 Because women act so dignified when they talk about who they consider beef cakes. Gotcha. you mean that hunk of burning love with the 9 inche power tool? or that busted 2 with the overbite who thinks he is a 10?
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 You know, you guys act so smug and think you have the last laugh when you completely dismiss any female existence that is plus 20 pounds or over the age of 30. The real beauty for me is that I work in management of a very male dominated industry and most of my employees are men and yeah they had better respect me and try to understand me or I can make their lives a living hell. I just want to say that 99% of the time I am treated with respect but there has been a time or two some usually young guy with the attitudes displayed here brings it to the workplace and I don't hesitate to bust his balls...because I can. Why did you mention this? Does this satisfy you? I guess the bottom line is that I am old enough not to give a **** what some insecure guy thinks of me. My issue is with the young impressionable girls who don't have the confidence that I do to see through this rubbish.Are you sure it's not with men? I'm getting vibes from your above paragraph. But I'm willing to hold back my assumption.
Woggle Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I am not old but I am past the point of being afraid of some manhater and what she thinks of me. If a woman thinks I am a pig then I say oink oink.
rewe4reel Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I remember a thread on this very board where alot young men were stunned that a girls boobs could sag at 20. Hello. Real boobs are nothing but fat. Not silcone inflated. I remember seeing "Deep Throat" (I think that's what it was). I must have still been a virgin and a teenager. There's a scene where Harry Reems is a dentist or a doctor and he is having sex with his nurse "from behind." Her breasts are free and they're flopping around all over the place. I remember being kind of shocked and grossed out. What??? Aren't those things supposed to just point straight out like ICBM nose cones? (Of course natural boobs don't gross me out anymore. )
TheBigQuestion Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Ahh, and here we observe another common LoveShack behavior. "I've run out of anything substantive to say, so I'm just going to start talking about how awesome my career is and how I can use it to assert my dominance over the opposite sex, never mind that the fact that I have to dedicate entire paragraphs to it betrays a good amount of insecurity."
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Ahh, and here we observe another common LoveShack behavior. "I've run out of anything substantive to say, so I'm just going to start talking about how awesome my career is and how I can use it to assert my dominance over the opposite sex, never mind that the fact that I have to dedicate entire paragraphs to it betrays a good amount of insecurity." Yep. This is when you know we are starting to get to the root of the problem. It would be nice to actually discuss the real problems going on instead of how you have the power to treat the men at your workplace whatever way you want.
brainygirl Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I think we can all agree at this point that images manufactured to sell products are likely false, and that while attraction is somewhat visual, there are much MORE IMPORTANT factors to who your mate is than their appearance.
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I think we can all agree at this point that images manufactured to sell products are likely false, and that while attraction is somewhat visual, there are much MORE IMPORTANT factors to who your mate is than their appearance. I tried to get this point across in my 'average women' thread, but that didn't turn out too well.
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 you mean that hunk of burning love with the 9 inche power tool? or that busted 2 with the overbite who thinks he is a 10? Eh... as creative as that is... I was thinking along the lines of a celebrity crush, or guys you typically find attractive.
brainygirl Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I tried to get this point across in my 'average women' thread, but that didn't turn out too well. The point you got across was more along the lines of "you better be smokin hot or you haven't got a chance so quit even trying as its a waste of time"
MrNate Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 The point you got across was more along the lines of "you better be smokin hot or you haven't got a chance so quit even trying as its a waste of time" I'm pretty sure I didn't, but if that still leaves you in doubt, feel free to look up my thread concerning average women.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 An interesting relevant article, "In what ways is immersion in digital technologies changing us as humans?" And some excerpts. The latter part of this is more about our relationship to nature/the earth, but a lot of it applies to our relationship to humans/human nature, too. In what ways do you feel that immersion in digital technologies is changing us as humans, culturally and individually? Researchers from Stanford have shown that our brains have not evolved enough for us to be able to pick apart the difference between what we see on screens and what we see in front of us. We haven’t physically evolved as fast as our culture has, so media “is” reality. In virtual worlds, digital technology actually replaces your world. You can build the entire world the way you want it! You can have a new body, new friends and a new home. Most people misunderstand these “games” and overlook them. What will be the long-term consequences of our species’ abandonment of living in nature in favor of living in media? It will be a bunch of folks who have no sense of the sublime. A glimpse of the Pacific Ocean won’t impress much nor will a gaze upward at El Capitan. People will sit in Yosemite Valley with a Blackberry handy, take a picture of Half Dome and send it to one hundred buddies. Think of the amazing visual delights offered by Avatar, a movie being seen by millions of people around the world. How can a humble home village, let alone the average two-week vacation, compare with that virtual experience? It’s possible to imagine a new generation of tourists who skip backpacking in Europe because infinite (and safer) pleasures can be had by tapping at keyboards. I wonder and worry if someday we’ll forget to value the experience of walking, of feeling our body’s interactions with the ground, wind, rain and gravity. If the natural world is devalued then it follows that we’ll destroy it. If we abandon the natural Earth in favor of an artificial, digital world, we risk becoming humanoid robots – anesthetized to one another and the world around us, immobile and unable to think for ourselves. It sounds like science fiction but look around you: “Autistic” social relations predominate. Obesity is a scourge. Ignorance is mushrooming amid floods of accessible information. And the political system is paralyzed. Could this be a new dark age?
DanielMadr Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 You know, you guys act so smug and think you have the last laugh when you completely dismiss any female existence that is plus 20 pounds or over the age of 30. We don't dismiss their existence...we just can't get why they think we are obliged to be attracted to them even when they are fat and have repulsive attitudes. One of that attitude is blaming men and everyone else. It is called bitter b1tch and is considered second dangerous companion. Black Mamba has the first place I guess...it's poison is faster, sorry. The real beauty for me is that I work in management of a very male dominated industry and most of my employees are men and yeah they had better respect me and try to understand me or I can make their lives a living hell. I just want to say that 99% of the time I am treated with respect but there has been a time or two some usually young guy with the attitudes displayed here brings it to the workplace and I don't hesitate to bust his balls...because I can. Power Trips supposedly healing personal problems are definitely the way to manage. "Better respect me or I will ruin your little lives!" Yeah, everyone respects you for that ability:rolleyes: I guess the bottom line is that I am old enough not to give a **** what some insecure guy thinks of me. My issue is with the young impressionable girls who don't have the confidence that I do to see through this rubbish. oh, you are the savior then. Interesting, I wouldn't guess. "I know it is BS but Think about children - impressionable girls!" You have the confidence to see through this. Ehm. And I have a confidence to cut a carrot. wtf?
DanielMadr Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 An interesting relevant article, "In what ways is immersion in digital technologies changing us as humans?" And some excerpts. The latter part of this is more about our relationship to nature/the earth, but a lot of it applies to our relationship to humans/human nature, too. Oh, that's why they never answer me when I talk back to them. And those 20 inch people on screen are not dwarfs??? And thats why I get a static electricity shock every time I try to join the girls in adult movies. My caveman brain thought TV is real. Scientists my azz.
gypsy_nicky Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Do women really believe men look like this? http://6packquest.com/brad_pitt_abs.jpg some guys actually look like that in real life (body not face, Pitt's face is a rarity). But they do have imperfections too. They go through extensive lengths to maintain it though-tanning, restrictive dieting and steroids. If guys neglected these three things, they would usually look more filled in rather than muscular (think mauricio rua-mma fighter-- http://www.mmamadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mauricio-rua.jpg ). No dude grew up naturally looking jacked. They put in hours to look the part i.e- athletes and people whose jobs require a great deal of physical labor or if not those former occupations, guys get jacked for health reasons, but mainly do it for aesthetic purposes.
Els Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Anything that goes up in public media is photoshopped at least to some degree. Be they man, woman, or child.
DanielMadr Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) It is 2D image after all. It has to be at least carefully selected if not retouched. Not everyone is photogenic. On TV...if you go without makeup you look like a fat zombie. It has to be retouched because it is just a projection. Your eyes are used to moving 3D not static 2D. Try to make a billboard out of your "normal" photo....it will look like moon landscape. You need to photoshop it. Nobody is looking at you with magnifying glass in real life. Edited June 2, 2010 by DanielMadr
jackson30 Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 When HD came along a lot of the news people on tv had to change their makeup styles because what looked good in blurry fuzzy standard def made them look horrible in HD when you could actually see what they looked like.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I remember seeing "Deep Throat" (I think that's what it was). I must have still been a virgin and a teenager. There's a scene where Harry Reems is a dentist or a doctor and he is having sex with his nurse "from behind." Her breasts are free and they're flopping around all over the place. I remember being kind of shocked and grossed out. What??? Aren't those things supposed to just point straight out like ICBM nose cones? (Of course natural boobs don't gross me out anymore. ) I appreciate your honesty Rewe4Reel. Here is my question for you, do natural boobs turn you on over fake boobs now? Or, do natural boobs, while not grossing you out, are not as exciting as fake perfectly round high boobs? There is no doubt in anyone's mind here that we all know photos are enhanced. Pretending that what is being said is that men are too dumb to know that photos are enhanced does a disservice to the conversation. If men are inundated with images of unreal women, it's only natural that they begin to adopted the idea that this is what's normal and what a woman should look like. Since men spend quite a bit of time of seeking out images of fantasy women for high reward benefits like masturbation, the message men are sending to real every day women isn't a favorable one. Women sculpting their bodies into unnatural proportions to fit an unrealistic ideal isn't healthy. And it's not fair to women for men to indulge in these kind of images that promote this kind of mentality and then turn around and lay all the responsiblity on women to be the moral gate keepers and not buy the messages while men clearly do on some level. So what we have is men that turn to these fantasy images and defend it on the pricipal that men are visual and *need* to see such goregous unreal images of women here because they can't in real life, and that more women strive to live up to those expectations because women want men to respond to their femininty. And this isn't to say men (or women) are stupid! But I am sorry guys. It's a weakness for many men (and women) that are easily swayed by responding emotionally and physically to photos or movies presented to us by people trying to sell an image. Women don't want to demean you! They just want some male support for *real* women. And that's not something that happens very often. Not because men are evil or stupid but because the emotional response men get, the reward they get from the images of fantasy women is a huge weakness for men. We all know this. In our culture, there is so much intergrated about what female beauty is and how to go about to achieve it. And women can't fight those images alone. We go out in the real world and all day long we see these images. But we can't get away from them because we come home and there are guy is, on the computer or watching something on TV where he is licking his lips at all the goregous imagery of women. We don't get any peace or time away from it. My caveman brain thought TV is real. Scientists my azz. That's not even what the article said at all.
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