somedude81 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Man, I'm stumped. I'm trying to think of something that would describe personality traits in a girl that isn't tied directly with her looks, and I can't really think of one for a girl, except maybe 'doormat' but that is not really gender specific. Maybe 'nice girl' can be negative if used in a certain context, but it would seem that women look for (and denigrate) personality traits in men, while men look for (and denigrate) physical traits in women. A bitch. If a girl is generally mean or rude. It doesn't matter how hot she is. I will not put up with a girl who disrespects me or other people. Slut, if she sleeps around too easily. Sleeping with 5 guys in one month, slut.
alphamale Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I was wondering is there an equivalent term that is used to describe a woman...in the same way ? nice is used for women too....the last chick i dumped was cause she was too nice
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think that's why some men will only date younger women . . . . Just a theory. This is true. While women get bored and are turned off by "nice guys," men almost get drawn in by "nice girls" (as discussed in previous post) because they view them as an easy lay.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I strongly disagree with this statement. There are plenty of women, oftentimes younger or more immature women (we've all been in high school...), that I've found who will treat a guy like a king in order to be with him, regardless of how he treats her. I think we've found an answer my dear Watson! I think we can all agree that high school/immature relationships while a concern to some people here on loveshack, are not in the majority of relationship woes. I don't think I've ever met a women who was "nice" to me in order to foster a relationship with me. Ever... You just don't see it..with adults at least. (taking into consideration your original statement)
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think we've found an answer my dear Watson! I think we can all agree that high school/immature relationships while a concern to some people here on loveshack, are not in the majority of relationship woes. I don't think I've ever met a women who was "nice" to me in order to foster a relationship with me. Ever... You just don't see it..with adults at least. (taking into consideration your original statement) Nice as in approaching and trying to have conversations because you like someone? Cause I do that with guys all the time. Nice as in phony and pretending to share interests just to get them to notice her? No, thats basically lying and I don't think most women would do that.
Chicago_Guy Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Of course there is. It's called, easy. "Easy" means slutty, not nice. I happen to like nice girls. All other things being equal I would definitely prefer a nice girl over a bitchy girl if they both looked the same and assume that most other guys would as well.
Chicago_Guy Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Its "cute" Guys will describe a girl as cute when they really aren't interested in her, but there's nothing glaringly wrong with her. A little horsey faced- cute. A little on the heavy side - cute. Not all men are like that of course, but its a trend this "cute" female has noticed. What is wrong with a girl being cute? I don't think that too many guys refer would refer to an unattractive girl as being cute. I think that "cute" generally means "adorable," and that is a good thing.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Nice as in approaching and trying to have conversations because you like someone? Cause I do that with guys all the time. Nice as in phony and pretending to share interests just to get them to notice her? No, thats basically lying and I don't think most women would do that. Brainy, I think we both know that is not what I was referring to. Nice as in "Hey I like this girl, but I'm not sure if she likes me...I'm going to ask her out on a date, and instead of going for a kiss, I'll just give her a hug good night". Does that clarify it enough for you? The idea behind subtypes of "nice guys" is completely ridiculous. There is no "phoney" nice guys. Those guys that pretend to like something in order to get a girl to notice them are called pickup artists. Because if we take your first definition: Nice as in approaching and trying to have conversations because you like someone? Cause I do that with guys all the time. You can really apply that to any situation can't you? I mean who WOULDN'T want to approach someone and have a conversation with them because they like them? I mean even pickup artists are going to approach someone and converse with them, why? Because they want to have sex with them. There are no subtypes of nice guys. The is only one "nice guy" type. That is the ones who act nice to girls, and then get the negative connotation of being a nice guy pinned on their lapel, in doing so they start to harbour resentment for being brought up with good manners and to treat women as equal human beings. They see other people who don't treat women as human beings, but instead of pieces of meat...and they see these guys succeed. That in turn creates the entire controversy that we find ourselves in right now...the "Nice Guy" vs the "Jerk" syndrome. Which consequently is DEFENDED TIME AND AGAIN by labeling the nice guy as "not confident" and the jerk as being "assertive". Bunch of hypocritical horse **** if you ask me...
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Brainy, I think we both know that is not what I was referring to. Nice as in "Hey I like this girl, but I'm not sure if she likes me...I'm going to ask her out on a date, and instead of going for a kiss, I'll just give her a hug good night". Does that clarify it enough for you? The idea behind subtypes of "nice guys" is completely ridiculous. There is no "phoney" nice guys. Those guys that pretend to like something in order to get a girl to notice them are called pickup artists. Because if we take your first definition: You can really apply that to any situation can't you? I mean who WOULDN'T want to approach someone and have a conversation with them because they like them? I mean even pickup artists are going to approach someone and converse with them, why? Because they want to have sex with them. There are no subtypes of nice guys. The is only one "nice guy" type. That is the ones who act nice to girls, and then get the negative connotation of being a nice guy pinned on their lapel, in doing so they start to harbour resentment for being brought up with good manners and to treat women as equal human beings. They see other people who don't treat women as human beings, but instead of pieces of meat...and they see these guys succeed. That in turn creates the entire controversy that we find ourselves in right now...the "Nice Guy" vs the "Jerk" syndrome. Which consequently is DEFENDED TIME AND AGAIN by labeling the nice guy as "not confident" and the jerk as being "assertive". Bunch of hypocritical horse **** if you ask me... Dude, the hostility! I don't get it honestly, I like guys who act nice because they like a girl. I tend to dislike guys who act like asses thinking that's impressing the girl. BUT I AM NOT A TYPICAL GIRL. As evidenced by my complete and utter failure at the dating game. There is a difference between being a jerk and being assertive. Just like there is a difference between being respectful and being a coward.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Dude, the hostility! I don't get it honestly, I like guys who act nice because they like a girl. I tend to dislike guys who act like asses thinking that's impressing the girl. BUT I AM NOT A TYPICAL GIRL. As evidenced by my complete and utter failure at the dating game. There is a difference between being a jerk and being assertive. Just like there is a difference between being respectful and being a coward. I wasn't being hostile, I was being truthful. It's not really my fault if you think I'm being hostile. Didn't realize you could infer tone from text...the capitalized words were only there to emphasize their importance in the context of the statement. Anyhow, your last statement is part of the reason the connotation of nice guy is bad though. You only THINK that the nice guy is being a coward, because he hasn't made a move right? You don't think this is done by conditioning of any sort? I mean why a guy be a coward from the get-go? I know I wasn't. The reason I become "afraid" of making a move was because previous dating experiences had taught me that making a move too soon ended with the "I'll call you" but noone ever called. It's the same connotation guys get when they say "i love you" too early. So in essence, there is no difference between being respectful and being a coward. The only reason you even have a connection between those two words is because we are discussing "nice guys". There is a clear disconnect---respectful guys aren't cowards. Yet the idea behind a respectful guy is automatically alluded to that he is a nice guy, hence a coward.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I wasn't being hostile, I was being truthful. It's not really my fault if you think I'm being hostile. Didn't realize you could infer tone from text...the capitalized words were only there to emphasize their importance in the context of the statement. Anyhow, your last statement is part of the reason the connotation of nice guy is bad though. You only THINK that the nice guy is being a coward, because he hasn't made a move right? You don't think this is done by conditioning of any sort? I mean why a guy be a coward from the get-go? I know I wasn't. The reason I become "afraid" of making a move was because previous dating experiences had taught me that making a move too soon ended with the "I'll call you" but noone ever called. It's the same connotation guys get when they say "i love you" too early. So in essence, there is no difference between being respectful and being a coward. The only reason you even have a connection between those two words is because we are discussing "nice guys". There is a clear disconnect---respectful guys aren't cowards. Yet the idea behind a respectful guy is automatically alluded to that he is a nice guy, hence a coward. GAH! There is a difference. Nice guy - its the end of a great date, he walks her to her door. They chitchat. She's stalling, he goes in for a kiss, then lets her go into her house/ apartment without trying to convince her to let him in too. Coward - notices her stalling, turning up her face, maybe licking her lips unconsciously, and mumbles and says he had a nice time a leave. Jerk - swoops in for an agressive kiss and tries to get in the front door. Nice guy - Hey, that's a cool book, do you like it? Jerk - you're too pretty to read, gimme that. (snatches the book and plays keep away so he can see her boobs move. Coward - sees the girl reading and says nothing, but might watch her trying to get her book back from the jerk.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 GAH! There is a difference. Nice guy - its the end of a great date, he walks her to her door. They chitchat. She's stalling, he goes in for a kiss, then lets her go into her house/ apartment without trying to convince her to let him in too. Coward - notices her stalling, turning up her face, maybe licking her lips unconsciously, and mumbles and says he had a nice time a leave. Jerk - swoops in for an agressive kiss and tries to get in the front door. Nice guy - Hey, that's a cool book, do you like it? Jerk - you're too pretty to read, gimme that. (snatches the book and plays keep away so he can see her boobs move. Coward - sees the girl reading and says nothing, but might watch her trying to get her book back from the jerk. No, you are only creating these situations to match your statements. Coward - notices her stalling, turning up her face, maybe licking her lips unconsciously, and mumbles and says he had a nice time a leave. Yea god forbid a guy doesn't play tonsil hockey on the first date...I mean gosh...that's just so bad...he said he had a nice time and leaves...he most be TOTAL LOSER HUH? Jerk - swoops in for an agressive kiss and tries to get in the front door. I'm pretty sure that if a guy did that to you, he'd get tazered or a can of mace in the eyes...so yea...another pre-cooked situation that exists only in your mind, like the "nice guy" part above that I ommited. Nice guy - Hey, that's a cool book, do you like it? Jerk - you're too pretty to read, gimme that. (snatches the book and plays keep away so he can see her boobs move. Coward - sees the girl reading and says nothing, but might watch her trying to get her book back from the jerk Now you are just grasping at straws, I thought we were talking about "make believe" dating scenarios between the three "types". Why would the coward be WATCHING the jerk do this to a girl when said girl is right in front of him? Likewise, the jerks approach and the nice guys approach are both ways of flirting...and neither are wrong. Though I'm pretty sure if a guy said to you "You're too pretty to read" you would slam the door shut on his face...so there's another "make-believe" scenario. But knowing the way women work, I'm going to out on a limb here and just wrap this up nice and tight with this statement: You say the "nice guy" (whom you apparently want) will say "Cool book, what are you reading?" But you really want the jerk who teases you by playing hide and seek with the book. But then you come here and call the "nice guy" a coward because he wasn't aggressive enough. I've seen the double-speak from women hundreds of times before, you can't fool me.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 No, you are only creating these situations to match your statements. Yea god forbid a guy doesn't play tonsil hockey on the first date...I mean gosh...that's just so bad...he said he had a nice time and leaves...he most be TOTAL LOSER HUH? I'm pretty sure that if a guy did that to you, he'd get tazered or a can of mace in the eyes...so yea...another pre-cooked situation that exists only in your mind, like the "nice guy" part above that I ommited. Now you are just grasping at straws, I thought we were talking about "make believe" dating scenarios between the three "types". Why would the coward be WATCHING the jerk do this to a girl when said girl is right in front of him? Likewise, the jerks approach and the nice guys approach are both ways of flirting...and neither are wrong. Though I'm pretty sure if a guy said to you "You're too pretty to read" you would slam the door shut on his face...so there's another "make-believe" scenario. But knowing the way women work, I'm going to out on a limb here and just wrap this up nice and tight with this statement: You say the "nice guy" (whom you apparently want) will say "Cool book, what are you reading?" But you really want the jerk who teases you by playing hide and seek with the book. But then you come here and call the "nice guy" a coward because he wasn't aggressive enough. I've seen the double-speak from women hundreds of times before, you can't fool me. I am truly sorry you hate women so much. I like nice guys. I try to avoid jerks. Sometimes a guy seems nice, reveals himself to be a jerk. Sometimes I miss subtle signals from supposed nice guys because I am not a mind reader.
SilentVoice Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I say doormat....isn't that what this ''nice guy'' is
Dragon1 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 GAH! There is a difference. Nice guy - its the end of a great date, he walks her to her door. They chitchat. She's stalling, he goes in for a kiss, then lets her go into her house/ apartment without trying to convince her to let him in too. Coward - notices her stalling, turning up her face, maybe licking her lips unconsciously, and mumbles and says he had a nice time a leave. Jerk - swoops in for an agressive kiss and tries to get in the front door. Is this a first date or a fourth date? Big difference.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I am truly sorry you hate women so much. I like nice guys. I try to avoid jerks. Sometimes a guy seems nice, reveals himself to be a jerk. Sometimes I miss subtle signals from supposed nice guys because I am not a mind reader. There you go, assuming about me. I'm done discussing with you, but I'll just say this much in ending: Women aren't mind readers, guess what...neither are men. So stop thinking that your subtle signs of licking lips,etc---is going to get the message across all the time. Part of a date/relationship is communication and adaptation. If you can't adapt that a guy might not kiss you on a first date, then don't complain that you are still single when you reject all the "nice guys" because they didn't go for a kiss on the first date. That's just a self-fufilling prophecy you imposed on yourself.
Dragon1 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 There you go, assuming about me. I'm done discussing with you, but I'll just say this much in ending: Women aren't mind readers, guess what...neither are men. So stop thinking that your subtle signs of licking lips,etc---is going to get the message across all the time. Part of a date/relationship is communication and adaptation. If you can't adapt that a guy might not kiss you on a first date, then don't complain that you are still single when you reject all the "nice guys" because they didn't go for a kiss on the first date. That's just a self-fufilling prophecy you imposed on yourself. She never said "first date". I wait to the second or even thrird to go in for the kiss and I've had lots of successes.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 She never said "first date". I wait to the second or even thrird to go in for the kiss and I've had lots of successes. Based on the context of her previous statements she claimed that an aggressive guy would go in for the kiss and try to get in the door. Based on the statement and it's perception, you can assume she is referring to early on in a theorized dating environment. But even based on your statement, you imply that if a guy didn't go for a kiss on the 2nd or 3rd you would think he was a coward would you not? Kissing is a sign of physical intimacy based on emotional attraction. What if he isn't sure about her, and by "sure about her" I mean he isn't sure about how he feels about her? I'm just stating that dating is a constantly changing creature. You can't subject it to blanket statements like nice guy, or coward, or jerk. Which is the point I was trying to get across. You have to roll with the punches and realize that each person you meet is going to be different, and react differently to you in return. Pre-conceived notions that a guy has to perform some actions by a certain number of dates is why you end up with communication problems and failed dating experiences. I think I've exhausted my energy with this topic though, good night.
Dragon1 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Based on the context of her previous statements she claimed that an aggressive guy would go in for the kiss and try to get in the door. Based on the statement and it's perception, you can assume she is referring to early on in a theorized dating environment. But even based on your statement, you imply that if a guy didn't go for a kiss on the 2nd or 3rd you would think he was a coward would you not? Kissing is a sign of physical intimacy based on emotional attraction. What if he isn't sure about her, and by "sure about her" I mean he isn't sure about how he feels about her? I'm just stating that dating is a constantly changing creature. You can't subject it to blanket statements like nice guy, or coward, or jerk. Which is the point I was trying to get across. You have to roll with the punches and realize that each person you meet is going to be different, and react differently to you in return. Pre-conceived notions that a guy has to perform some actions by a certain number of dates is why you end up with communication problems and failed dating experiences. I think I've exhausted my energy with this topic though, good night. She didn't specify which is why I asked. All I said was that I usually go for the first kiss on the second or thrid date without giving an opinion one way or the other on the coward question. It depends on the context.
Green Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 There is no Equivalent of the friendzone (a place guys put themselves) and there is no equivalent of being called a "nice guy" for women. There is also no equivalent of a "funny guy" for women.
Engadget Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 There is no Equivalent of the friendzone (a place guys put themselves) and there is no equivalent of being called a "nice guy" for women. There is also no equivalent of a "funny guy" for women. Yeah there is, for all of those exists the same thing or a direct parallel.
Dragon1 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 There is also no equivalent of a "funny guy" for women. You've never met several of the women in my circle. They are hilarious.
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Nice girls get the short end of the stick. Hahahahah, well played. :laugh:
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