TheWatcher Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 We all know that to be described & categorized as "nice" is the last thing a guy ever wants to hear from a woman.It's an all encompassing term that means..weak,boring,unimaginative,predictable,etc I was wondering is there an equivalent term that is used to describe a woman...in the same way ? There isn't any negative connotation to a woman being labeled as nice..It really isn't considered a label of any sort its more of a compliment. Also,can anyone pinpoint the time when being called nice became such a pejorative term ?
LucreziaBorgia Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I was wondering is there an equivalent term that is used to describe a woman...in the same way ? There isn't any negative connotation to a woman being labeled as nice..It really isn't considered a label of any sort its more of a compliment. Sure there is one. I hear it used all the time ... the dreaded "great personality". It is a backhanded compliment meant to be used in place of fat/ugly/nerd/etc when you want to say something nice about a girl that you don't find attractive or datable. The 'nice guy/bad boy' schism has been around for as long as I can reckon. 'Nice' has always been seen as boring, while 'bad' has always been seen as exciting. Think of movies, literature (even classics), etc. The bad boy is the one that gets yearned for while the 'nice guy' might win in a sense but ultimately will be settled for as 'sensible'. It is only relatively recent that women were allowed through a gain in sexual power to openly chase Goofus, rather than settle for Gallant. That is when 'nice' really became insulting, I guess.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Nice personality is one. cute is another one. I've been called "cute" by a lot of men who went on to not want to date me.
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 It is only relatively recent that women were allowed through a gain in sexual power to openly chase Goofus, rather than settle for Gallant. That is when 'nice' really became insulting, I guess. Hey, Goofus and Gallant from Highlights for Children!!!
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Hey, Goofus and Gallant from Highlights for Children!!! I always thought gallant was sissy.
somedude81 Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Sure there is one. I hear it used all the time ... the dreaded "great personality". It is a backhanded compliment meant to be used in place of fat/ugly/nerd/etc when you want to say something nice about a girl that you don't find attractive or datable. I'd actually use nice or "she's OK" if somebody asked me about a fat/ugly girl. I would spend very little time actually talking about said girl and I would not make any mention of her appearnce.
Woggle Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Men use the nice personality thing to let women down easy. Also I know I will sound like one of the women I trash but many nice girls tend to be uptight, church going goody goodys who don't know how to enjoy life. It is very hard to find a fun woman willing to live life to it's fullest that still has a strong sense of loyalty and commitment. I don't want church ladys anymore than I do manhating feminists who use men and spit them out.
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think we are all off point as far as what OP is asking about...he asked what we call women with certain personality traits that might label her as the proverbial "nice guy" (e.g., weak, boring, unimaginative, predictable). However, all of us have only cited unattractive women as having the "nice" quality...what about non-physical personality traits...?
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think we are all off point as far as what OP is asking about...he asked what we call women with certain personality traits that might label her as the proverbial "nice guy" (e.g., weak, boring, unimaginative, predictable). However, all of us have only cited unattractive women as having the "nice" quality...what about non-physical personality traits...? That's because there are men who would put up with hell's own harpy if she was hot enough. (I've seen it, nice guy, hot wife, who treats him and everyone around her like absolute crap).
Woggle Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 That's because there are men who would put up with hell's own harpy if she was hot enough. (I've seen it, nice guy, hot wife, who treats him and everyone around her like absolute crap). I agree with this and I truly do not understand this. How women can pretty much get away with anything.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I agree with this and I truly do not understand this. How women can pretty much get away with anything. Just the super hot ones. Mediocre ones can't even get a second glance . . . .
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 That's because there are men who would put up with hell's own harpy if she was hot enough. (I've seen it, nice guy, hot wife, who treats him and everyone around her like absolute crap). In that case, to answer OP's question, there may not be an equivalent "nice" label for women...because men are more concerned with everlasting physical beauty...?
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 In that case, to answer OP's question, there may not be an equivalent "nice" label for women...because men are more concerned with everlasting physical beauty...? Its "cute" Guys will describe a girl as cute when they really aren't interested in her, but there's nothing glaringly wrong with her. A little horsey faced- cute. A little on the heavy side - cute. Not all men are like that of course, but its a trend this "cute" female has noticed.
LucreziaBorgia Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Man, I'm stumped. I'm trying to think of something that would describe personality traits in a girl that isn't tied directly with her looks, and I can't really think of one for a girl, except maybe 'doormat' but that is not really gender specific. Maybe 'nice girl' can be negative if used in a certain context, but it would seem that women look for (and denigrate) personality traits in men, while men look for (and denigrate) physical traits in women.
Engadget Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Its "cute" Guys will describe a girl as cute when they really aren't interested in her, but there's nothing glaringly wrong with her. A little horsey faced- cute. A little on the heavy side - cute. Not all men are like that of course, but its a trend this "cute" female has noticed. This is true, there's a girl I know that is kind of cute, but not enough to ever be involved with.
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Maybe 'nice girl' can be negative if used in a certain context, but it would seem that women look for (and denigrate) personality traits in men, while men look for (and denigrate) physical traits in women. I agree with your assessment...so in sum: Nice guy = unattractive personality Nice girl = unattractive looks ....? But I think what OP's wondering is: _____ girl = unattractive personality...? Or do men not even care...?
Woggle Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 Just the super hot ones. Mediocre ones can't even get a second glance . . . . I meant to say hot women. They can literally get away with murder.
sagetalk Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 This question has raised something very different about men and women. What makes a guy undesired (or nice)? The way he acts. What makes a girl undesired (or nice)? The way she looks. It's really that simple.
Morals Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think the reason we don't see an equivalent term for "nice" for women is simply because there is no connotation for it. Think of it for a second... "Nice guys" are generally considered to be people who, regardless of looks, treat women well in the expectation that by treating them well they will start to create a relationship between them and said women. (Please don't go into the actual connotations of a Nice guy or such, this thread isn't about that). There are no "nice women" because there are no women who treat guys nice in order to create a relationship with them. Women either give you the cold shoulder from the first moment they meet you, or tell you after the first date to "call them" but then never respond. There is no pre-existing connotation for nice women because most women simply aren't acting nice to other men for a relationship. The only reason they act "nice" is because they don't know how to say "Sorry, I don't find you attractive". That's my thoughts on it anyways.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I think the reason we don't see an equivalent term for "nice" for women is simply because there is no connotation for it. Think of it for a second... "Nice guys" are generally considered to be people who, regardless of looks, treat women well in the expectation that by treating them well they will start to create a relationship between them and said women. (Please don't go into the actual connotations of a Nice guy or such, this thread isn't about that). There are no "nice women" because there are no women who treat guys nice in order to create a relationship with them. Women either give you the cold shoulder from the first moment they meet you, or tell you after the first date to "call them" but then never respond. There is no pre-existing connotation for nice women because most women simply aren't acting nice to other men for a relationship. The only reason they act "nice" is because they don't know how to say "Sorry, I don't find you attractive". That's my thoughts on it anyways. huh? I guess I'm a weirdo.
USMCHokie Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 There are no "nice women" because there are no women who treat guys nice in order to create a relationship with them. Women either give you the cold shoulder from the first moment they meet you, or tell you after the first date to "call them" but then never respond. I strongly disagree with this statement. There are plenty of women, oftentimes younger or more immature women (we've all been in high school...), that I've found who will treat a guy like a king in order to be with him, regardless of how he treats her.
brainygirl Posted May 31, 2010 Posted May 31, 2010 I strongly disagree with this statement. There are plenty of women, oftentimes younger or more immature women (we've all been in high school...), that I've found who will treat a guy like a king in order to be with him, regardless of how he treats her. I think that's why some men will only date younger women . . . . Just a theory.
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