Els Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Sleeping with mw or mm is different. You are violating another person's relationship and even then I am changing my view on men sleeping with MW. It is easy sex and it is her choice to cheat. Two single consenting adults who affect nobody but themselves though should not be lectured on how to live their lives. LOL. And a woman sleeping with a married man is different? Woggle, Woggle, you may say that you are trying to change but you never have.
Woggle Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Women seem less enraged about married women sleeping around then an older man younger woman romance Also very true. They high five each other over it.
Woggle Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 LOL. And a woman sleeping with a married man is different? Woggle, Woggle, you may say that you are trying to change but you never have. A single woman who wants to get her rocks off with a MM is okay with me if she is single. He is in the wrong but she is not just like an OM is not in the wrong. I have no issue with the Lizzies of the world. I do think women who fall in love with MM are suckers though.
Author Green Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 http://s1.hubimg.com/u/338064_f248.jpg and http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/milo-ventimiglia-and-hayden-panettiere-dating-2.jpg he is 12 years older then her and they dated
brainygirl Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 http://s1.hubimg.com/u/338064_f248.jpg and http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/milo-ventimiglia-and-hayden-panettiere-dating-2.jpg he is 12 years older then her and they dated ^ I thought that was creepy myself, just because she was barely legal when he started publicly dating her. Consent laws exisit for a reason. Another problem with the whole older guy, much younger woman thing is that young women are more likely to be taken advantage of. i have a cousin who is very pretty, and very smart. But she was sexually abused as a young teen and has acted out sexually and with drugs and running away ever since. Her family has tried and tried to help her. But its hard to get her to quit partying and drugging when her 45 year old "boyfriend" gives her money and encourages the behavior. He gets to have a hot little blonde-haired, blue eyed barbie doll at his beck and call. Why should he care that she's wasting her potential and her life on him?
brainygirl Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 A single woman who wants to get her rocks off with a MM is okay with me if she is single. He is in the wrong but she is not just like an OM is not in the wrong. I have no issue with the Lizzies of the world. I do think women who fall in love with MM are suckers though. I think that if I know a guy is married I would be in just as much wrong as he would. that being said, I don't pursue married men, even very hot unhappily married men who've made it clear they think I'm hot stuff. I am a fan of relationships, so I don't intend to participate in breaking them up.
Zed Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 http://s1.hubimg.com/u/338064_f248.jpg and http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/milo-ventimiglia-and-hayden-panettiere-dating-2.jpg he is 12 years older then her and they dated So? Older men/married woman is not new. Michael Douglas also has a pattern. His first wife was at least 12 years younger than him. Women of all ages still find him attractive. Same with Jack Nicholson (although I don’t understand that attraction), Warren Beatty, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Cary Grant, etc etc. Woman still crush for al lot of those guys. The second link--I don't know who that is. It’s actually rarer to see a couple who are within a tiny age difference or women with significantly younger men. What is creepy is Celine Dion and her husband. He had his eye on her since she was 12 and he was 38--26 year age difference. Creepy is Woody Allen. Here's a site with more huge age gaps: http://sites.google.com/site/richardarthurnorton/agedisparityinrelationships
Author Green Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 Women who do drugs and act wild do so on their own. Woggle don't you get it they blame drugs, war, and everything else on men. So blind are most women who post on this site. So? Older men/married woman is not new. Michael Douglas also has a pattern. His first wife was at least 12 years younger than him. Women of all ages still find him attractive. Same with Jack Nicholson (although I don’t understand that attraction), Warren Beatty, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Cary Grant, etc etc. Woman still crush for al lot of those guys. The second link--I don't know who that is. It’s actually rarer to see a couple who are within a tiny age difference or women with significantly younger men. What is creepy is Celine Dion and her husband. He had his eye on her since she was 12 and he was 38--26 year age difference. Creepy is Woody Allen. Here's a site with more huge age gaps: http://sites.google.com/site/richardarthurnorton/agedisparityinrelationships Celine Dion and Woody Allen are hardly the rule. Women are mostly angry because they don't like the way the world works... oh well cry as they might it doesn't change it
janie423 Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Celine Dion and Woody Allen are hardly the rule. Women are mostly angry because they don't like the way the world works... oh well cry as they might it doesn't change it and you are also quite angry because of the way the world works . . . and that is: women are not going to think and feel the way you think they should . . . you can rage on this site for days, you can call the women who disagree with you all kinds of names . . . but you will not change the way they feel about the topic.
Author Green Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 and you are also quite angry because of the way the world works . . . and that is: women are not going to think and feel the way you think they should . . . you can rage on this site for days, you can call the women who disagree with you all kinds of names . . . but you will not change the way they feel about the topic. I relize that and its sad that some women can never learn some things. http://bricksandstonesgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/evan-rachel-wood-mickey-rourke.jpg http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/images/der/L3Zhci93d3cvc2l0ZXMvbWVkaWEuc2hvdXRtb3V0aC5jb20vaHRtbC9kZXJpdnMvYzg4OTIxNDgxOTBmZWRiYjVmYzQ4ZWE3NzllNTYwZGUtZGEzZTU0YmFhZDUyOGFhNzU0ODlkMjliNDdmMjY4NjUuanBn.jpg
janie423 Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) I relize that and its sad that some women can never learn some things. and I'm sorry to say the same can be said of some men . . . but I learned some things from Zed. His manner of presentation is quite edifying. Edited May 30, 2010 by janie423
Rudderless Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 Seriously if you are a 40 year old man and you meet some 19 or 20 year old girl and you really hit it off… I find it so funny that a bunch of WOMEN need to come in and call it creepy… even to go so far as calling a person a pedophile… . I think the small amount of women who act like that remember what they were like at that age. i.e., quite immature and desperate for a partner. It's a bit like the "nice guy" syndrome, you can feel the underlying well of bitterness regarding their ineptitude with the opposite sex. I think most women in their early 20's don't go for men in their 40's, but such is the joy of human nature that there are always going to be exceptions. And following that there are going to be two sides to the younger woman dates older man story, one is where the woman prefers an older man and the man is genuine, the other where the woman is socially stunted and gets taken advantage by someone more sophisticated. It's quite easy to see between the two things for anyone well adjusted, but if you can only see the latter side to that story you're obviously clouded by a deep well of bad experiences with the opposite sex. It's no surprise then that the regular offenders on that subject have popped up on this thread to say their piece If you're a 40 year old man and you meet some 19 or 20 year old girl and you really hit it off I'd think the last thing you care about is anyone elses opinion Not my thing personally, but male-female relationships, or just relationships in general aren't always about something as simplistic a measure as a number.
janie423 Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I think the small amount of women who act like that remember what they were like at that age. i.e., quite immature and desperate for a partner. It's a bit like the "nice guy" syndrome, you can feel the underlying well of bitterness regarding their ineptitude with the opposite sex. I think most women in their early 20's don't go for men in their 40's, but such is the joy of human nature that there are always going to be exceptions. And following that there are going to be two sides to the younger woman dates older man story, one is where the woman prefers an older man and the man is genuine, the other where the woman is socially stunted and gets taken advantage by someone more sophisticated. It's quite easy to see between the two things for anyone well adjusted, but if you can only see the latter side to that story you're obviously clouded by a deep well of bad experiences with the opposite sex. It's no surprise then that the regular offenders on that subject have popped up on this thread to say their piece If you're a 40 year old man and you meet some 19 or 20 year old girl and you really hit it off I'd think the last thing you care about is anyone elses opinion Not my thing personally, but male-female relationships, or just relationships in general aren't always about something as simplistic a measure as a number. interesting take, but as far as the "creepy" feelings . . . I think you are way over analyzing. Here is the deal. Generally, young women who think it's creepy (and older women who were young once! haha) who think it's creepy really really aren't thinking as deeply as you present. For myself, when I was 20, anyone over 30 was simply not physically attractive to me, and I felt that a man that age was lusting for me because of my youthful beauty and not for my immature psyche. But to me, he looked aged. Hence: creepy. It is that simple. Call me shallow. I am amazed at how many theories are coming out of this topic. All this stuff about bitterness, bad experiences, socially stunted women . . . I just don't know where this is coming from. it's just not that complicated. It's really not. Just my opinion. Edited June 1, 2010 by janie423
Jersey Shortie Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I relize that and its sad that some women can never learn some things. Green, what is it that you want women to learn? That some men consider us expendable based on our age? That we shouldn't have anything to look foward to in our relationships with men? All the while these same men want to reiterate their own personal masculine importance to the world while degrading a woman's? That some men consider us "less" of the women we are at 40 then what we were at 20? That what women have to look forward to is being considered "less" womanly in life as they grow and men are given the honor to be considered more important? IS that what you want women to learn? How would you feel if women kept telling you you were nothing but a depreciating asset to them? That your worth was tied to a scale of masculinity that you would fail to live up to based on your age? I bet you wouldn't like it at all. Yet you seem to want to punch women right in the gut with what you consider a woman's lack of worth as she ages. And you want women to smile about it and coo and giggle over men like you giving props to younger women. Women are mostly angry because they don't like the way the world works... oh well cry as they might it doesn't change it[FONT=Times New Roman][sIZE=3] [/sIZE][/FONT] Now there is a healthy attitude! "Bleep women. I won't try to understand or relate to women. They just need to shut up because the big strong man deserves college coeds!" Geezus. Older men date younger women all the time. I personally see the potential problems with dating young women like the 18-23 range… but damn they are hot. My gf is in her mid twenties but she looks hot and as if she could be in her early twenties. What happens when she hits 30? Kick her to the curb like a piece of trash? Or do you just remind her that her worth as a woman is now lessened while your the big strong man and your worth is far greater? … please all women want to look young. Its jealousy… and MAN HATING at its best. Actually, it's woman hating at it's best. Becasue the message you are giving is that even if a girl is 23 now and you are attracted to her, some day she won't be 23 anymore and that means her worth as a woman is meaningless to you. You aren't promoting respect for women in your thread. You prattle on about it being man hating but the real truth is that your hating on woman Green. why not... seriously, why do you care if a 40 year old man enjoys having sex with 18-22 year olds Why do you care if he does? Why do you care that women have formed opinions about men based on certain behaviors.Whether it invovles having sex with 18 year old girls or not?
BWLoca Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 JS, chiming in to add a big kudos to your post. Funny how they don't get WHY a woman would be upset about this.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 Thanks BW. Yes, I really don't get how men don't understand why women are worried about getting older when the messages being sent is that women are more and more worthless to men each day they age. And yet, they want to keep reiterating their masculinity and importance to the world. I don't want to demean men and degrade them for getting older. Older men can offer something vauable to the world. But I am so tired of men wanting women to support them and lift them up in their masculinity while they step on the heads of women to do it. Telling women they have less worth in this world then men isn't right. But that's the message that I see here reguarly from alot of men. They want female companionship, understanding and respect but they don't really want to respect women in the process.
janie423 Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 JerseyShortie, you are incredibly insightful . . . truly impressive!
kiss_andmakeup Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 Thanks BW. Yes, I really don't get how men don't understand why women are worried about getting older when the messages being sent is that women are more and more worthless to men each day they age. And yet, they want to keep reiterating their masculinity and importance to the world. I don't want to demean men and degrade them for getting older. Older men can offer something vauable to the world. But I am so tired of men wanting women to support them and lift them up in their masculinity while they step on the heads of women to do it. Telling women they have less worth in this world then men isn't right. But that's the message that I see here reguarly from alot of men. They want female companionship, understanding and respect but they don't really want to respect women in the process. There are so many men who don't feel this way. Don't let the few that do get to you, they aren't worth the time. That being said, I really don't care who dates who, if the relationship works and the people are happy, more power to them. At 22 I tend to be attracted to men in their late 20's or early 30's (bf is 33). I find that this age gap creates a level playing field maturity-wise, plus, I just find them more physically attractive. I have actually had a conversation about this with my boyfriend, because of our age gap. I expressed my fear that I would lose my value in his eyes as I got older. His response completely dissolved my concerns. So even in relationships where an age difference is present, it's not always because the guy is shallow or a youth-chaser.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 And what did he say to you Kiss that desolved your concerns?
Author Green Posted June 1, 2010 Author Posted June 1, 2010 And what did he say to you Kiss that desolved your concerns? What does it matter what he said. He probably just told her that she would always be pretty to him. Look once a 30 or 40 year old man starts dating a young women he is probably just going to continue dating her and settle down if things work out. Of course just like young men there are some old men that have no plans to settle down and this becomes obvious unless they are hiding it.
kiss_andmakeup Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 And what did he say to you Kiss that desolved your concerns? Basically that he spent years before he met me looking for the right person to spend his life with, and that during that time he dated younger women, older women, and everything in between. That when he thinks of me, my age is one of the last things to come to his mind, because he now sees me as his life partner and soul mate; his equal, essentially. He also said, jokingly, "hey, when I'm 71 I'll be the guy with the 60-year-old fox of a wife!"
kiss_andmakeup Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I should also note that even when we first started dating and I was only 20, he was never the kind of guy who went to work or to hang out with his buddies and bragged about "banging a 20 year old." I found this out when a couple of his friends added me on facebook many months after we started dating and expressed shock at how young I was/am. I think the guys who look at it as a game or something to brag to their buddies about...those are the guys to look out for.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I agree with that Kiss. There is a specific sort of older man to look out for. The kind that focus on younger women specifically. Green, love how you ignored all my questions in favor of the little gem you shared above.
Author Green Posted June 1, 2010 Author Posted June 1, 2010 I agree with that Kiss. There is a specific sort of older man to look out for. The kind that focus on younger women specifically. Green, love how you ignored all my questions in favor of the little gem you shared above. Oh were those suposed to be questions? When you say stuff like ... what do you do once she turns 30 kick her to the side... it sounds more like insults disguised as questions. Women who put down men who date younger women for that reason alone are "men hating." It doesn't make me a woman hater to point that out lol.
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