Pyro Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 He was disagreeing when I said I was average. He's biased. I just tell it like it is.
shadowplay Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Way wrong. Not only are average women often ignored, but many men don't even bother to treat them with common courtesy. Many men see women who are not especially attractive as having no value whatsoever. How often do men go out of their way to befriend women they don't find attractive? Almost never. Sad, but in many cases true. Guys can be brutal.
shadowplay Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Hm, realistically, I'll have to agree with some parts of this, but I also want to see where you're getting at. Basically, average women are not attractive? and it's only the hot ones guys chase after? If this is the case, then essentially, we are saying that if a woman is not attractive, she is ugly. So basically there are two types of women, attractive or ugly. Is that where you're getting at? I think a lot of men (though not all) think in these terms. But there are obviously guys who are less superficial, since even average girls get dates.
Woggle Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Women are far worse. Women will befriend a guy who is average looking sure, but only to use him for favors and milk him for entertainment/free stuff without doing anything in return. Very true. This is why I never do favors for women without charging them with the exception of select few I know very well.
Knittress Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 I think it has a lot to do with if the average woman WANTS to be ignored or not. A lot of guys seem to be attracted to women that are showing them attention. Period.
SadandConfusedWA Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Green, I sure hope that you are very hot because judging by your LS posts - you don't seem to have much going on upstairs.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 LOL @ Sad. Green, first, I think that last picture you posted of the very heavyset "woman", is really a man. Two, besides being disturbed by you having pictures of women sitting in the bathroom, and other men voicing their like for the picture in this thread, (umm disturbing), the only difference between the girl on the toilet and all the girls in the other picture is that she had clothes on and not nearly as much make up. She wouldn't be any different looking standing in a line of girls. By the way, it's a fact that if you put 10 or more girls togther who have physically fit bodies and where skimpy clothes, they seem to each make each other look more attractive then they really are because of the numbers. Another point to make, Meagan Fox has had tons of plastic surgery. What she looked like before was an average pretty girl. So here's to you, average women, for keeping it real and down to earth And finally, my comment to this. Yeah, we are so happy we can "keep it real" while men still drool and wish they could be banging the really hot girl and seek out any form of fantasy they can everytime us average girls have our backs turned. You men bitch and complain about gold-diggers and not wanting to be wanted for your money but YOU are JUST as shallow and treat women just as poorly as women that are only looking for a man's money do. You try to convince women they should be happy that their own man considers them "average" and that we "keep it real" , while every man with a computer and a Maxim magazine oggles and rates women regularly and doesn't treat women like people. How about bestowing honors on your own girl instead of bestowing them on some girl that wouldn't care if you got hit by a bus tomorrow. Priotries are really messed up here. And I guess us average girls should be "thankful" whlile you hold onto the belief that you even though you can't get a super hot girl, you still wish you could and will think about banging her while you date the "average" nice girl who feeds your other egotistical selfish needs. So thanks guys, this thread shows us "average girls" where we rate . Any man today with a computer and Maxim magazine thats been looking at it since he was 12 thinks he deserves 19 year old cheerleaders no matter his age, while the rest of us women are pretty much dumped on and told we should be content with even the men in our lives who are suppose to love us most calling us "average". This thread really sucks. Shows us exactly how men think about women and it's not very nice.
brainygirl Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 I don't think that's true. I am what I would call average. I have a nice face, a so-so body, and a killer personality (well, if you like science fiction and smart humor) and I don't have the pick of the guys at a bar or anywhere else for that matter. I have actually been talking to a guy, hadn't decided yet how interested in him I wanted to be, and had him start ignoring me to talk over my to my friend when he saw her come up.
brainygirl Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 haha your friend will give him a short date and say go away youll have your chance then unless hes hot Actually, she didn't like him at all. See, women generally aren't going to give a guy who just was incredible rude to her friend any chance. And she's got a boyfriend. He basically blew any chance he had of getting any girl there that evening with that little stunt because everyone saw him do it.
C-i-C-u Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Yeah, I know. I guess I don't make a real effort to find guys. I keep to myself a lot, so that's part of it. But I rarely get flirted with either. I don't have much of a social life (due to my shyness), so it's hard for me to make connections. I wish more guys would approach me and strike up conversations. I know that's hard to do, though. Where do you live? I don't think average girls get ignored. I think that many people are either in relationships because they are looking for it or because they do not want it.
Author MrNate Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 LOL @ Sad. Green, first, I think that last picture you posted of the very heavyset "woman", is really a man. Two, besides being disturbed by you having pictures of women sitting in the bathroom, and other men voicing their like for the picture in this thread, (umm disturbing), the only difference between the girl on the toilet and all the girls in the other picture is that she had clothes on and not nearly as much make up. She wouldn't be any different looking standing in a line of girls. By the way, it's a fact that if you put 10 or more girls togther who have physically fit bodies and where skimpy clothes, they seem to each make each other look more attractive then they really are because of the numbers. Another point to make, Meagan Fox has had tons of plastic surgery. What she looked like before was an average pretty girl. And finally, my comment to this. Yeah, we are so happy we can "keep it real" while men still drool and wish they could be banging the really hot girl and seek out any form of fantasy they can everytime us average girls have our backs turned. You men bitch and complain about gold-diggers and not wanting to be wanted for your money but YOU are JUST as shallow and treat women just as poorly as women that are only looking for a man's money do. You try to convince women they should be happy that their own man considers them "average" and that we "keep it real" , while every man with a computer and a Maxim magazine oggles and rates women regularly and doesn't treat women like people. How about bestowing honors on your own girl instead of bestowing them on some girl that wouldn't care if you got hit by a bus tomorrow. Priotries are really messed up here. And I guess us average girls should be "thankful" whlile you hold onto the belief that you even though you can't get a super hot girl, you still wish you could and will think about banging her while you date the "average" nice girl who feeds your other egotistical selfish needs. So thanks guys, this thread shows us "average girls" where we rate . Any man today with a computer and Maxim magazine thats been looking at it since he was 12 thinks he deserves 19 year old cheerleaders no matter his age, while the rest of us women are pretty much dumped on and told we should be content with even the men in our lives who are suppose to love us most calling us "average". This thread really sucks. Shows us exactly how men think about women and it's not very nice. Um, what? Once again, you're pulling out this extensively long assumption from one sentence. Look, there's something you need to understand, there's a lot that goes on in the psychology of a man's mind. You are way off base. There are very, very FEW women that understand the mind of a male. So I can assure you, while it may seem like men may only be after hot women, they also seek to be understood. So, the women who take time to understand the mind of a male, often find themselves with just as much ammo as a hot woman. And it's not in the power of their looks, but their power is in their ability to form a CONNECTION. I promise you that the women who understand men are snatched up just as fast as some 'hot' woman. There's something to think about. Maybe that will help you change the tone of your posts.
Els Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Um, what? Once again, you're pulling out this extensively long assumption from one sentence. Look, there's something you need to understand, there's a lot that goes on in the psychology of a man's mind. You are way off base. There are very, very FEW women that understand the mind of a male. So I can assure you, while it may seem like men may only be after hot women, they also seek to be understood. So, the women who take time to understand the mind of a male, often find themselves with just as much ammo as a hot woman. And it's not in the power of their looks, but their power is in their ability to form a CONNECTION. I promise you that the women who understand men are snatched up just as fast as some 'hot' woman. There's something to think about. Maybe that will help you change the tone of your posts. As an average-looking (although not overweight) woman who can relate to men a lot... I have to question this. I do think that just like good-looking/rich/etc men, good-looking women get more 'offers'. It's just the way the world works. Goodness only knows why, but the shape of one's body and the way one's features are arranged seems to be of more importance to some people than he/she who resides within. However, I agree that the ability to form a connection is incredibly important ammo - and what it lacks in quantity, it makes up for in quality. I have never had a R lasting less than a year. I have never had a failed first date. I have only gone out with 3 people in my 23 years, but all of them led to relationships that were pretty darn good while they lasted. I find it great that you appreciate a woman who can understand and accept you. Sadly, that is not first priority for many other men. But I have learnt not to care about them. Hopefully JS will, in time, be able to experience the sort of man that will show her that as well.
Author MrNate Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 As an average-looking (although not overweight) woman who can relate to men a lot... I have to question this. I do think that just like good-looking/rich/etc men, good-looking women get more 'offers'. It's just the way the world works. Goodness only knows why, but the shape of one's body and the way one's features are arranged seems to be of more importance to some people than he/she who resides within. However, I agree that the ability to form a connection is incredibly important ammo - and what it lacks in quantity, it makes up for in quality. I have never had a R lasting less than a year. I have never had a failed first date. I have only gone out with 3 people in my 23 years, but all of them led to relationships that were pretty darn good while they lasted. I find it great that you appreciate a woman who can understand and accept you. Sadly, that is not first priority for many other men. But I have learnt not to care about them. Hopefully JS will, in time, be able to experience the sort of man that will show her that as well. And there are a lot of these good-looking/rich women that would give up everything they have to achieve a fraction of the amount of success you've had. You can bet that. Who knows how much trouble they have worrying about if a guy likes them solely because of their looks? I bet it's a lot. Yeah, that JS's little 'rah rah's get old after while. Her refusal to try to understand (even a little) how a man's brain works, is making her come across as someone many people wouldn't want to form a connection with. Not even Australian men. Men think all women want the muscular, rich guy. Women think all men just want some ass. It's pretty amazing, actually how much each gender influences the other's behaviors. Whether we like to admit it or not.
Els Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 And there are a lot of these good-looking/rich women that would give up everything they have to achieve a fraction of the amount of success you've had. You can bet that. Who knows how much trouble they have worrying about if a guy likes them solely because of their looks? I bet it's a lot. Not so sure about that... I think many women, like men, prefer to measure success by numbers and superficial yardsticks such as how rich or handsome the men that they can get are. But each to their own. I am very happy with knowing that the guys who like(d) me, like(d) me for me, yes. Men think all women want the muscular, rich guy. Women think all men just want some ass. It's pretty amazing, actually how much each gender influences the other's behaviors. Whether we like to admit it or not. I don't know about how representative the men on this forum are of the general American population, as I don't live in America. But sadly it IS true that many men on this forum claim that getting a 'hot' girl is of utmost importance to them. And as people who come here are mostly already having relationship problems (or lack-of-relationship problems), insecurity, low self esteem, etc... those posters reinforce certain messages that tie in with bad experiences they have had. Thus I wouldn't be surprised that a woman who frequents LS may have had the thought reinforced, that 'men will only want hot women and simply settle for you if they can't get any'. This is an extremely damaging way to think, and sadly it paves the way for the formation of more future JS's.
Zed Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Way wrong. Not only are average women often ignored, but many men don't even bother to treat them with common courtesy. Many men see women who are not especially attractive as having no value whatsoever. How often do men go out of their way to befriend women they don't find attractive? Almost never. I agree I see it too many times and evol psych and testosterone are such a cop out for this type of blatant disregard for human decency because an average woman can never look like like Megan Fox or Amanda Seyfried. I have seen guys let the door slam an average looking woman's face, but they will hold the door, carry her bags and slobber over the hood of a good looking woman's car just for simply existing. And even with all that effort there is no guarantee that she would even like the guy or give him a chance.
Yamaha Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 I totally agree with the connection idea. There is nothing hotter than having a connection with someone from the opposite sex no matter if average or hawt. A strong connection will make anyone hot and sexy.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Look, there's something you need to understand, there's a lot that goes on in the psychology of a man's mind. You are way off base. There are very, very FEW women that understand the mind of a male. How many men do you think try to understand the mind of a woman? So, the women who take time to understand the mind of a male, often find themselves with just as much ammo as a hot woman. And it's not in the power of their looks, but their power is in their ability to form a CONNECTION. I promise you that the women who understand men are snatched up just as fast as some 'hot' woman. There's something to think about. Maybe that will help you change the tone of your posts But this still doesn't stop men from oggling or thinking about banging "hot chicks. This is ultimately what wins out with men over anything else. I have no doubt in my mind men want to be understood. (Just like women do actually!) and I have no doubt in my mind they form connections wiht "average" women. But they still oggle and think about and wish they could bang the "hot" chick even while the "average" girl that connected with him is there for him everyday. Yeah, that JS's little 'rah rah's get old after while. Her refusal to try to understand (even a little) how a man's brain works, is making her come across as someone many people wouldn't want to form a connection with. Not even Australian men. When have you ever tried to undersetand women and how their brain works?? I never see you try to understand women Mr.Nate. All I see you do is whine about what men need. You very rarely say anything about what women need.
Author MrNate Posted May 30, 2010 Author Posted May 30, 2010 I totally agree with the connection idea. There is nothing hotter than having a connection with someone from the opposite sex no matter if average or hawt. A strong connection will make anyone hot and sexy. Exactly, this has happened to me a few times. Women I probably wouldn't normally give a second glance, wound up befriending me, getting to know me, and being able to read me like a book. It was weird... and I found myself being significantly attracted to them. They surely weren't the hottest girls around, just a basic level of attractiveness.
ADF Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Hm, realistically, I'll have to agree with some parts of this, but I also want to see where you're getting at. Basically, average women are not attractive? and it's only the hot ones guys chase after? If this is the case, then essentially, we are saying that if a woman is not attractive, she is ugly. So basically there are two types of women, attractive or ugly. Is that where you're getting at? What I am getting at is that women are much more likely than men to be valued solely on the basis of how they look. Yes, it can happen to men, too. But not nearly as often. And it is not just something that occurs within the context of dating and relationships. Back 1995, Marcia Clarke was the lead prosecutor in the O.J. Simpson murder. Barely a day went by that the press didn't comment on her clothes, her hairstyles, or some such frivolous nonsense. Why? She was an attorney prosecuting a murder case, not a runway model. Yet NONE of the male lawyers ever had their dress or grooming commented upon by the press.
Els Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Exactly, this has happened to me a few times. Women I probably wouldn't normally give a second glance, wound up befriending me, getting to know me, and being able to read me like a book. It was weird... and I found myself being significantly attracted to them. They surely weren't the hottest girls around, just a basic level of attractiveness. Definitely. Which is why I don't place much stock in the Don't Befriend a Woman You Want to Date 'rule'.
somedude81 Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Definitely. Which is why I don't place much stock in the Don't Befriend a Woman You Want to Date 'rule'. Now, how many of those women actually returned the attraction back to him? Men can easily fall for girls that are their friends. I've done it many many times, and a good number of them I had no interest in until I spent more time with them. Every single one of them rejected me. The all liked me, but not in that way. Not befriending women you want to date actually saves the man time, energy and prevents pain. That's why I now try to make my interest known to a woman in an appropriate amount of time and if she rejects my interest but offers friendship as a consolation prize, I politely decline her. I can't just stop liking somebody because they don't like me back. It's better to lose a potential friend instead of hanging out with somebody that you want but can't have. Getting back to the topic, if an average girl is not happy with the amount of male attention she receives, she has to actually make an effort to get men interested in her. If you might be interested in guy, flirt with him. It should be common sense. Don't wait for men to do all the work.
Woggle Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 A woman that actually likes men and at least attempts to see things from our point of view is a gem and they get snatched up very quick.
Els Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Now, how many of those women actually returned the attraction back to him? Men can easily fall for girls that are their friends. I've done it many many times, and a good number of them I had no interest in until I spent more time with them. Every single one of them rejected me. The all liked me, but not in that way. This is unfortunate for you, but it isn't the same for everyone. Works for some, doesn't work for others. Thus a far better 'rule' would be to actually find out what works for YOU. I am sure MrNate has had some success with it, judging from his favourable opinions of befriending a woman and forming a connection with her.
sagetalk Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Definitely. Which is why I don't place much stock in the Don't Befriend a Woman You Want to Date 'rule'. If you were a guy with that mentality you would be the loneliest sap in the world. Giving bad advice to guys about dating is cruel. As a woman, you have no clue how awful it is to get friendzoned. It is horrendous to befriend a women you are attracted to, endless torture unless when she tells you that you loose attraction for her (which is possible).
brainygirl Posted May 30, 2010 Posted May 30, 2010 Exactly, this has happened to me a few times. Women I probably wouldn't normally give a second glance, wound up befriending me, getting to know me, and being able to read me like a book. It was weird... and I found myself being significantly attracted to them. They surely weren't the hottest girls around, just a basic level of attractiveness. But how do you befriend and get to know someone who looks right through you, pretends you aren't there, and flirts with and pursues other women in your presence? I may not be the hot girl, but i do have some self respect. Why should I have to wait around for them to notice, "hey, she's fun" while they chase after girls out of their league.
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