Predicting Infidelity

[OWoman]

I found this completely bizarre, OTW and hysterical! Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you - Dr Phil!!

 

Will Your Man Cheat?

What if you could find out if your man is at a higher risk for infidelity before you married him? Dr. Phil and his panel of medical experts discuss the new science behind a cheater’s brain and what can be done if your loved one is at a higher risk. Author of Change Your Brain, Change Your Body, Dr. Daniel Amen, author of Insatiable Wives, clinical psychologist Dr. David Ley, Claremont University’s Dr. Paul Zak and author of The Male Brain, neuro-psychiatrist Dr. Louann Brizendine explain how you can discern a man’s risk for infidelity and the treatment options to lower his risk:

 

Indicators that Your Man is at a Higher Risk for Cheating:

 

Genetic Factors:

 

* A shorter version of the vasopressin receptor gene: Scientists discovered that in prairie voles and humans, monogamous males have a long version of the vasopressin receptor gene — the gene that’s been dubbed the “cheater gene” — and males who are promiscuous or stay bachelors have a shorter version.

* A low number of Oxytocin receptors: Oxytocin is a chemical that causes you to trust other people and form strong bonds. Men with a low number of Oxytocin receptors are less likely to form strong bonds and committed relationships and are at a higher risk of cheating.

 

Physiological Indicators:

 

* Length of ring finger compared to pointer finger: The length of a man’s ring finger is linked to testosterone in utero and during puberty. A longer ring finger means more testosterone, and the increased likelihood of a greater number of sex partners and a higher risk of cheating.

* Facial symmetry and size of jaw: If one side of a man’s face matches the other side, is symmetrical, the more it is an indicator to women that that man has high genetic value. Men whose faces are more [symmetrical] are more likely to have more partners because more women want to have their children.

* Size of penis: If a male is well-endowed, that means more testosterone and a higher risk of cheating.

* Brain injuries: Men with a history of engaging in impact sports like football or martial arts, or men who’ve had a history of concussions are at a higher risk. Also, men with disorders like ADD or bipolar disorder have low pre-frontal cortex activity or hyper-frontal activity, which could mean less ability to stop impulsive behaviors, like cheating.

 

Environmental/Behavioral Factors:

 

* History of infidelity in past relationships: The best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior.

* Family history of cheating: If his father cheated, that behavior may have been modeled to him

* A relationship that starts with cheating is likely to end with cheating

* Lack of sexual satisfaction at home/Mismatched libido

* Placing yourself in high-risk situations: Excitement-seeking, adrenaline-junkie behavior

* Stress

* Childless men

* Husband who doesn’t touch, engage or spend time with family

 

So, basically, testosterone increases his likelihood of infidelity - as does being attractive, because his opportunity to cheat will increase (and, as we all know, it's only lack of opportunity that keeps men from cheating )

 

So, if you want to be safe - go for that urgly misshapen ladyboy who's contact phobic. No one else will want him... you might not, either, but at least you won't have to worry!

 

Seriously though - does ANYONE buy this kind of stuff???

[TaraMaiden]

$9.99.

Sure , I bought it...

My table has a leg that's exactly the book-thickness' too short.

It's cheaper than buying a new table.....

[TaraMaiden]

Could this be true...?

Given that his credentials are suspect, I wonder which category he fits into... Lord know he is some hot looker......

[reboot]

My IQ dropped 10 points after reading that.

[Owl]

Wow...I guess this means I will never cheat!!! WOOHOOO!!!!

 

 

errr.....ummmm......wait a minute....

:eek::eek::eek:

 

ROFLMBO!!!!!!

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[seren]

Will Your Man Cheat?

What if you could find out if your man is at a higher risk for infidelity before you married him? Dr. Phil and his panel of medical experts discuss the new science behind a cheater’s brain and what can be done if your loved one is at a higher risk. Author of Change Your Brain, Change Your Body, Dr. Daniel Amen, author of Insatiable Wives, clinical psychologist Dr. David Ley, Claremont University’s Dr. Paul Zak and author of The Male Brain, neuro-psychiatrist Dr. Louann Brizendine explain how you can discern a man’s risk for infidelity and the treatment options to lower his risk:

 

Indicators that Your Man is at a Higher Risk for Cheating:

 

Genetic Factors:

 

* A shorter version of the vasopressin receptor gene: Scientists discovered that in prairie voles and humans, monogamous males have a long version of the vasopressin receptor gene — the gene that’s been dubbed the “cheater gene” — and males who are promiscuous or stay bachelors have a shorter version.

I just love the comparison of prairie voles and humans

 

* A low number of Oxytocin receptors: Oxytocin is a chemical that causes you to trust other people and form strong bonds. Men with a low number of Oxytocin receptors are less likely to form strong bonds and committed relationships and are at a higher risk of cheating.

Isn't Oxytocin the stuff that enables us to breast feed? So, based on this, lactating males are going to be faithful (tongue in cheek)

 

Physiological Indicators:

 

* Length of ring finger compared to pointer finger: The length of a man’s ring finger is linked to testosterone in utero and during puberty. A longer ring finger means more testosterone, and the increased likelihood of a greater number of sex partners and a higher risk of cheating.

Mental note to self, chop off H's ring finger to the first joint

* Facial symmetry and size of jaw: If one side of a man’s face matches the other side, is symmetrical, the more it is an indicator to women that that man has high genetic value. Men whose faces are more [symmetrical] are more likely to have more partners because more women want to have their children.

Hmm, rearranging his facial bones, might have been an option just after D Day, but not now, I kinda like his lopsided face

* Size of penis: If a male is well-endowed, that means more testosterone and a higher risk of cheating.

I just love this. I cheated because I have a huge schlong, absolutely fantastic, my penis made me do it

* Brain injuries: Men with a history of engaging in impact sports like football or martial arts, or men who’ve had a history of concussions are at a higher risk. Also, men with disorders like ADD or bipolar disorder have low pre-frontal cortex activity or hyper-frontal activity, which could mean less ability to stop impulsive behaviors, like cheating.

 

Environmental/Behavioral Factors:

 

* History of infidelity in past relationships: The best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior.

Maybe for serial cheater, but it would suggest that at some point it has been done

* Family history of cheating: If his father cheated, that behavior may have been modeled to him

ditto above, but not an absolute

* A relationship that starts with cheating is likely to end with cheating

I don't buy this, but it does suggest that some people choose to have A's rather than fix problems

* Lack of sexual satisfaction at home/Mismatched libido

Maybe, but not all A's are for sex and not all people who have A's aren't getting hot, monkey sex at home

* Placing yourself in high-risk situations: Excitement-seeking, adrenaline-junkie behavior

Aren't all A's high risk

* Stress

This one I totally relate to because it describes H's completely, mind you he was so stressed during his A just shows how like a prairie dog he is - head down a hole coping skills

* Childless men

Maybe, less to lose at home

* Husband who doesn’t touch, engage or spend time with family

I would say this can happen during an A as H's justify that home is crap so I am entitled to look for solutions, happiness elsewhere

 

Having said all that, I hate putting people in boxes and generally think that parts of the above could be true (not so sure about the genetic factors) but can see that behaviour learned as a child does influence how we deal with things as adults. If parents are conflict avoiders then it stands to reason that their children will learn that, that is how to deal with conflict. Although some people just aren't mentally prepared to deal with conflict if parents always solve kids problems.

I worked with self harmers for a while and the number of their children who self harmed through learned behaviour was surprising.

Dr Phil really jerks my chain

[reboot]

My wife thinks everything Dr Phil says is gospel. But she married me, so how smart could she be?

[2sure]

That dog dont hunt, bark, or shyte.

[You Go Girl]

The environmental/behavior category I'll buy...the rest, pfffft.

But then I believe in free will, not determinism.

[Fight4Me]

Thanks for posting this. It gave me quite the needed giggle since I'm stuck on the couch sick.

[witabix]

My world falls apart yet again, not a Doctor, not a Psychologist, not a faithful man. A dirt bag? Good Lord above, what next?

 

Pot noodle is not food?

Cheese strings are not made form cheese?

Burgers are BAD for you?

Alcohol is not a IQ enhancer?

 

Shurely shome mishtake?

[JustJoe]

DR. Phil, the TV version of valium, stroking suburban housewives since 1972.

[ADF]

Actually, TONS of people buy into this stuff nowadays, including people who consider themselves skeptical rationalists.

 

Studies like this fall under the broad area known as "sociobiology" or "evolutionary psychology," which is a big scientific fad right now. The basic idea is that you can draw a straight line between animal behavior and human behavior, that everything ultimately reduces to genes, hormones, etc. External factors like culture, socialization, individual psychology, etc are basically rejected as meaningful tools for understanding behavior.

 

I am not saying studies like this have no value. However, they suffer from several flaws:

 

1) They seem intuitively "true" to many people, in much the way astrology seem intuitively "true." That means many people will read stuff like this and accept it uncritically.

 

2) Evolutionary psychology tends to be aggressively reductionist. It eliminates non-biological factors from the equation and says everything is just genes and hormones.

 

3) The propositions put forward by EP are usually impossible to test, verify, or falsify. It is perfectly possible to construct a theory wholly consistent with Darwinian principles and still have that theory be wrong. But how would you know?

[Dexter Morgan]

So, basically, testosterone increases his likelihood of infidelity

 

And I say bulls##t. For the last 7 years of lifting weights, working out, increased testosterone, I actually had the desire to be a more faithful guy.

 

Besides, Dr. Phil is a hack.

[FryFish]

Studies like this fall under the broad area known as "sociobiology" or "evolutionary psychology," which is a big scientific fad right now. The basic idea is that you can draw a straight line between animal behavior and human behavior, that everything ultimately reduces to genes, hormones, etc. External factors like culture, socialization, individual psychology, etc are basically rejected as meaningful tools for understanding behavior.

The part I bolded is entirely not true. Genetic predispositions are taken in conjunction with environmental factors in predicting behavior.

 

1) They seem intuitively "true" to many people, in much the way astrology seem intuitively "true." That means many people will read stuff like this and accept it uncritically.

I wouldnt call mapping the genome and comparing tons of different peoples behavior and their genes "accept[ing] it uncritically".

 

2) Evolutionary psychology tends to be aggressively reductionist. It eliminates non-biological factors from the equation and says everything is just genes and hormones.

Where did you learn this? Maybe SOME psychologists lean this way and are aggressively reductionist but its not true for this entire field of science.

 

3) The propositions put forward by EP are usually impossible to test, verify, or falsify.

Blatantly untrue statement.

 

It is perfectly possible to construct a theory wholly consistent with Darwinian principles and still have that theory be wrong. But how would you know?

Ah... your slick choice of words has exposed you. Creationists made up the term "Darwinism"... game over. Edited May 26, 2010 by FryFish

[ADF]

Ah... your slick choice of words has exposed you. Creationists made up the term "Darwinism"... game over.

 

What are you talking about? I'm an atheist. Try again.

[Spark1111]

It is based on a recent scientific study. Dr. Phil just borrowed it for his show.

 

Scientists ARE trying to figure out if there is predispositions towards infidelity; genetic, social, psychological.

 

Some people do, often. Some people do sometimes. Some cheat once in a lifetime. BUT SOME NEVER DO.

 

Why?

 

If two people are in the same unhappy marriage, why do two people not cheat.

 

Is this study plausible? Who knows? But I wouldn't discount it just because Dr. Phil, or Oprah or The New York Times report on it.

[Spark1111]

Actually, TONS of people buy into this stuff nowadays, including people who consider themselves skeptical rationalists.

 

Studies like this fall under the broad area known as "sociobiology" or "evolutionary psychology," which is a big scientific fad right now. The basic idea is that you can draw a straight line between animal behavior and human behavior, that everything ultimately reduces to genes, hormones, etc. External factors like culture, socialization, individual psychology, etc are basically rejected as meaningful tools for understanding behavior.

 

You make some very good points here, ADF.

 

But back in the day, they thought homosexuality was caused by poor parenting; an over-bearing mother and an absentee father.

 

Today, that's considered pure poppycock!

 

And astrologists were thought during medievel times as witches to be burned at the stake!

 

We now know ancient clans lived by the stars and moon and the sun and herbal remedies....

 

So I guess my point is, who the hell really knows?

 

I personally, intend to keep an open mind to all potential explanantions, both moralistic, sociology, and scientific.

 

Why not?

[jenifer1972]

I think there is some truth in what these studies point out, but of course it's not the entire truth, but I don't think these studies are purporting to be the final word on infidelity.

I saw a very interesting study that the ultra rich cheat A LOT more than the rest of us. A lot going on, on these private jets apparently, and both sexes way above the national average.

 

I think what all of the attention to this is about, is that we see people every day whom we thought looked rock solid split over this issue, and it scares those of us who highly value truthfulness, fidelity, and who would be devastated if we found ourselves 'blindsided' by our partner. We secretly hope that there is a true checklist that rules us out as recipients, but of course life is not like that. A rock solid relationship today can be an adulterous one 10 yrs from now if the correct ingredients of a 'perfect storm' brew up.

[White Flower]

DR. Phil, the TV version of valium, stroking suburban housewives since 1972.

You just NAILED it on the head Joe. But I think it was more like '92.

 

MM's wife, as many others, call in Dr. Phil to get-in-your-face when all else fails. Pop psychology works everytime, don't it folks? MM's W taped the show of which this pamphlet was based on and asked him to watch it. She thought it might get him to fess up to being a cheater. Jeez, if she only knew.

 

I just wonder what the hell she would have done if he had confessed to all of it. Probably nothing. Well, maybe throw the phone at him:lmao: