Dating Myths For Men

[janie423]

Who's going to know the best way to sell something, the buyer or the salesman?

 

not relevant . . .

[sally4sara]

Looks like someone's missing their sense of humor. Did you notice I put a smiley face after my statement?

 

I offer you this in response and then ask you why anyone should listen to a thing you say:

 

You can stick in the threads if you want to. But it's strange that if you have valid points then why haven't you posted any. You've merely made random comments about me and Woggle. Is it possible that you could stay on topic without making personal attacks on other posters? I could make personal attacks too. I could talk about how it's lame for a chick to get over 6,000 posts in less than 2 years on this site. But I won't do that because it would hurt that chick's feelings and she'd feel the need to make some lame retort with a smiley face included.

 

Does anyone have any opinions on why most women can't find contentment? Or is this just a thread for bashing the OP?

 

You know what you are Nick.

[TouchedByViolet]

Who's going to know the best way to sell something, the buyer or the salesman?

 

Summed it up perfectly.

[sweetjasmine]

Did you remember that thread? Of course you do. You were in that thread making personal attacks and contributing nothing worthwhile to that thread whatsoever. How could you forget?

 

Check again. I didn't post in your silly thread, sweetheart.

 

Keep on making things up, though. It's cute, in a way.

[Woggle]

It is not a good idea to take advice from women because what women say and what they do are two very different things. It's like a hunter taking advice from a deer on how to make a kill.

[Green]

#13. The advise your dude gave you that worked with one girl isn't likely to work with another girl unless you like his leftovers.

 

#14. Even if honesty doesn't work; adhering to it will leave you without guilty feelings. If they don't wanna hear it, forget em.

 

#15. Being yourself won't get you every girl, but you won't be losing the ones you do get because you fraudulently sold them the persona of some other dude and couldn't keep up the act in the long term.

 

#16. If you can't close, you are not properly assessing your selling points or advertising them well.

 

#17. being a jerk will only get you irritating women. The women who respond to jerks are more likely to be carrying the stds/baggage other jerks left behind.

 

But don't listen to me - I'm a woman.

 

I would say your 14 and 15 could almost be merged togather into one. So 14 should be BE YOURSELF - which is great advice... guys often think then need to be some one else... NO be yourself... but the best version of yourself, you know be that better man version of yourself that girl makes you want to be. Be confident in yourself and respect yourself. That means going after the girls you want and saying and doing the things you want with and to that girl with out the fear and excuses of you lesser self.

 

I don't fully understand your number 16 but like I said a woman shouldn't give advice on closing as she herself never had to close a woman from the perspect of being a man

 

My number 6 about nice guys kind of already talks about what you mention in number 17 but maybe we do need one specificaly to talk about JERKS and how women don't actualy like them... because JERK like nice guy is a subjective term... realy I think the entire JERK thing came from guys who are in the friendzone who listen to girls complain about there bf's who listen from the outside and are like I would only do what ever she wanted.

 

AND TO ADDRESS YOUR DON'T LISTEN TO ME I'M A WOMAN BIT ~ well my rule is more about guys who are asking specificaly for WOMANS help on a SPECIFIC SITUATION... look you need to watch out for what men tell you to do also... but at a minimum I feel the best advice comes from saying I've been there you have to just keep trying ... Women can't say that... I mean even a lesbian has only done it from the perspective of being a woman... thats all i mean by it.. its more for when men specificaly ask for a womans advice or when a woman tries to give specific advice like its something she has done. Plenty of guys shouldn't be giving advice either. Even my own advice shouldn't be followed if a person doesn't believe it to be true themselves

 

7) Has worked for me before without even trying, so I disagree with it.

 

I was good friends with a girl in high school until she asked me to have sex, and it developed from there.

 

It worked despite the fact that its a bad tactic...If you like a girl... then don't try to be her friend in hopes of something more... aproach her as a potentional gf and ask her out.. flirt... ect

 

I could also say bars aren't the greatest place to start a relationship and some one would come here posting about how thats how they get all there gf's and met there wife.

 

But seriously, women do give terrible dating advice to men (and sometimes even to other women). If a man wants advice on how to pick up chicks, why should he get it from women? That's like getting advice on how to cook a BBQ from a vegetarian.

 

No its like getting advice on how to cook BBQ from a pig.... getting advice on women from a really gay guy would be like getting advice from a vegiterian on BBQ

 

Because she knows what she has responded to in the past and what has repelled her - DUH. Even if she isn't self examined enough to be honest about what she has responded to - she sure knows what turned her off and those things should be considered.

 

Every woman is different though so this doesn't help much. My advice is more on overcomming the fear that paralyzes most men from asking women out or going in for the kiss which I personaly have dealt with myself and with friends.ect

 

I thought of that too sally . . how does a guy know how a woman will respond to a man's actions - how can he make any expert claims on the inner workings of the heart/mind of the opposite gender? he simply cannot . . .

 

You don't know my advice is to just go after every woman you like and let them do the rejecting. My advice is also the only way to get better and more confident is to keep asking women out until you find a gf and learn to enjoy it ect...

 

because some guys think they will be looked at as weak if they listen to women.

 

Women don't have all the answers for dating, nor do the guys. There is NOTHING wrong with getting opinions/advice from both genders.

 

I agree... but what I have issue on is the posts titled NEED A WOMANS OPINION... and its on specific dating crap that really a man could only relate to. Obviously both men and women can give great advice but only to a point depending on the person... and just by virtue of being a woman they will not be able to relate to certain things

 

newsflash: a woman knows better how a man will get her in bed than anyone else . . . regardless of his experience or his relative callousness.

 

Yes but you wouldn't know a thing about being a man... who has to do that. And yes it would help a man who specificaly like YOU to listen to you when he is trying to for a relationship WIHT YOU... but that has nothing to do with anything. You don't know what its like to get slapped in the face by a girl because you kissed her to soon... You don't know what it feels like to spot a girl you think is hot and go randomly chat her up... Thats what I'm talking about. YOU TELLING US YOU LIKE GUYS WHO WEAR AE SHIRTS OR LIKE MEN WHO WRITE POETRY DOES NOTHING FOR US SPECIFICALY....

 

Who's going to know the best way to sell something, the buyer or the salesman?

 

Summed it up perfectly.

 

Yup thats it... of course you are going to listen to the specific buyer you are trying to sell tooo but if you are a sales man your not going to get advice from some random buyer of paper on how to sell software ect..

[janie423]

Hmm, were you not in my thread where I said dating is better for men than for women because men approach more? If you were you would have noticed sally come into my thread and say it's not true, and she approaches a lot of guys. But I pulled out proof that she was blatantly lying and contradicting her earlier post where she agreed with me. She spent the rest of the thread trying to bicker with me and save face but she couldn't do that.

 

Did you remember that thread? Of course you do. You were in that thread making personal attacks and contributing nothing worthwhile to that thread whatsoever. How could you forget?

 

There are female posters who give contradictory advice and try to lie and want to make personal attacks in threads but not contribute anything. When I assess the responses like that, can you blame me for coming to the conclusion that women lie and do not give good advice on dating?

 

 

 

Of course, it's relevant because it's a great analogy. Salesmen don't care about the customer's feelings or if he'll go into debt by buying the product. He only cares about having them spend their money on the product willingly.

 

Players don't care about women's feelings or if she'll be emotionally scarred by playing them. Players only care about getting women to spread their legs willingly.

 

Geddit now?

 

sounds like a rapist mentality . . . not attractive at all . . . and as much as the players care about achieving that goal, only the women decides if it happens, and only she knows how to make it happen?

 

and by the way, you use a lot of vulgar terms like that to describe physical intimacy with women. It's a subtle form of abuse against women, and we can all detect it. and yeah yeah, we know you don't care about our feelings . . . we've got your number.

[Green]

It is not a good idea to take advice from women because what women say and what they do are two very different things. It's like a hunter taking advice from a deer on how to make a kill.

 

The deer could show you how to eat grass if you watched it enough but youd never see a deer sneek up on another deer and shoot it with an arrow or what ever

[janie423]

 

 

 

 

you can ramble on all you want . . . with your long-winded analogies . . . bottom line is this . . . a woman makes up her mind long before your "sales pitch" . . . she decides, she is not sold anything . . . and your thinking she is sold something just shows how little you know about women . . . . although you do make some interesting points . . .

[Green]

you can ramble on all you want . . . with your long-winded analogies . . . bottom line is this . . . a woman makes up her mind long before your "sales pitch" . . . she decides, she is not sold anything . . . and your thinking she is sold something just shows how little you know about women . . . . although you do make some interesting points . . .

 

Look bottom line the rule I wrote was about men who are having a specific dating problem and specificaly ask for a womans advice... If two people are having trouble in their relationship I always says "Talk to your SO about it"

[janie423]

Damn. I seriously can't keep up all these random chicks trying to attack me everytime I post. sally4sara, sweetjasminethe same woman wi, janie423, Jersey Shortie, Mary3, etc. all these stupid usernames end up looking the same after a while and I begin to wonder if the same woman with no life who is making this attack against me but using different aliases.

 

In any case, whoever you are, read my "Fact: Dating is better for men than for women" thread and you'll see what I'm talking about. She blatantly lied. So why should anyone believe her posts (or maybe they're your posts since you're probably just an alias for sally4sara).

 

if you only knew how entertaining you are . . . why would we have no life? you are also posting here, so by your definition you have no life . . .

[sweetjasmine]

It is not a good idea to take advice from women because what women say and what they do are two very different things. It's like a hunter taking advice from a deer on how to make a kill.

 

Good analogy. Because in dating, women are trying their hardest to not get caught because getting caught means death.

[Woggle]

Good analogy. Because in dating, women are trying their hardest to not get caught because getting caught means death.

 

True but modern day dating very much is a gender war and in war the other side is not going to give away it's secrets. The best way is to talk to a player who understand the other side better than any other man and in many cases better than women understand themselves.

[hats]

not relevant . . .

 

Consumers generally don't know why they choose certain products although they think they do. Maybe Pepsi does some research and finds that if they make their drink 2% sweeter they'll sell more soda. Or maybe they change their logo from blue #4 to blue #7. But it's not like the consumer could just tell them these things. Just the same, there are many things men and women don't know about why they're attracted to certain people.

 

Also the buyer and seller have a natural conflict of interest. If you ask a buyer how to sell more cars he might say, "just lower the price!" Likewise women might say, "buy her dinner, make her feel special, don't flirt with other girls, etc etc." but she'll never say anything that goes against the woman's interest in favor of the man's.

[janie423]

I am damn near convinced you're somebody's alias. You're either secretly sally4sara or sweetjasmine or Jersey Shortie. You sound too much like one of those broads and I cannot figure out which one. I'll figure it out sooner or later.

 

In any case, yes, a woman decides if it happens, but a player's job is to make her decide. A player knows all the inner workings to make her decide. I've constantly--and I do mean constantly--heard women say, "Don't try to understand us. We don't even understand ourselves". How can women on the one hand say we don't even understand ourselves, but then you say women know themselves best? That's a total contradiction. Like I said, women contradict themselves all the time. Why listen to them? Listen to the man who knows how make women decide, and that's the player.

 

there you go again, with derogatory terms like "broads". Now don't you find it interesting that all these women find you offensive? The fact that you think we are all the same woman goes to your tendency to group women all together in the first place. You really are a case for the books . . . again, very entertaining.

 

your only mistake here is assuming all woman act the same way as those women who "do not understand themselves". Maybe it's the quality of individuals you are associating with? I don't like sweeping generalizations . . . and by the way, you contradict yourself continuously . . . we're all trying to make sense of this mess . . . and you are no different.

 

and you know what they say, no one can sell you anything you don't want to buy in the first place . . .

[Pyro]

I agree... but what I have issue on is the posts titled NEED A WOMANS OPINION... and its on specific dating crap that really a man could only relate to. Obviously both men and women can give great advice but only to a point depending on the person... and just by virtue of being a woman they will not be able to relate to certain things

 

and vice versa of course. I also understand that some people may only feel comfortable when getting advice from their own gender, but that doesn't give them the right to denounce the other gender as giving inferior device.

 

I agree that some aspects of dating guys are more suitable to give advice on, just like women are more suitable to give advice on other aspects.

 

Thats why I say that having friends of both genders is very beneficial in regards to dating advice.

[Philetus]

The OP should be stickied and be required reading.

[marsle85]

I've constantly--and I do mean constantly--heard women say, "Don't try to understand us. We don't even understand ourselves". How can women on the one hand say we don't even understand ourselves, but then you say women know themselves best? That's a total contradiction. Like I said, women contradict themselves all the time. Why listen to them? Listen to the man who knows how make women decide, and that's the player.

 

I consider that a cop-out phrase of an overemotional, impulsive woman who doesn't want to hold herself responsible for her poor decisions or confusion.

[Pyro]

I consider that a cop-out phrase of an overemotional, impulsive woman who doesn't want to hold herself responsible for her poor decisions or confusion.

 

absolutely ridiculous when a guy or a girl happens to run into a couple of off-balanced people of the opposite sex and decide that they speak for the majority of that gender.

[sally4sara]

I don't fully understand your number 16 but like I said a woman shouldn't give advice on closing as she herself never had to close a woman from the perspect of being a man

 

Green, come on. I'm bi and I've picked up women. Not just gay women either.

[Green]

The OP should be stickied and be required reading.

 

haha thanks

 

Green, come on. I'm bi and I've picked up women. Not just gay women either.

 

Your just a fish who eats other fish in the analogy still not a fisher man... Look the rule I made has nothing to do with dismissing women. You should really specificaly pay attention and listen to the girl you are trying to form a relationship with... and as far as the relationship itself it may help to get perspective from a woman... but when it comes to the actual dating... like how should I approach this girl... what mind set do I need... When should I kiss... does she like me... well I think specificaly asking for advice or taking advice from a woman is a mistake... advice from men can be a mistake to... a lot of fishermen are full of sht and tell big fish stories but some know what they are talking about

[Engadget]

Green, come on. I'm bi and I've picked up women. Not just gay women either.

 

Saying you're bi as a woman is kind of redundant. I think I've met no women that haven't gotten involved with other women in the last 5 years.

[PersonMan]

So true. I used to blame women for the whole friend zone thing until I realized no one forces a man to be in a friend zone. A guy is in a friend zone because he's a lame who's too chicken to just go for it. A guy being stuck in a friend zone only has himself to blame. It's never a woman's fault for a guy being in a friend zone.

 

 

are you talking about the friend zone? im just not sure

[janie423]

I consider that a cop-out phrase of an overemotional, impulsive woman who doesn't want to hold herself responsible for her poor decisions or confusion.

 

well said!

[sumdude]

Green, come on. I'm bi and I've picked up women. Not just gay women either.

 

Cool, that explains why the advice you added actually made sense!