marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 She would have wanted him to be: more challenging intellectually stimulating more aggressive less typical The chances of me befriending someone who was in prison are slight. The chances of me EVER dating anyone who visited prison are < slight. Like I said, I'm surprised you're even friends with these past convicts to know how many women they get.
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I have a friend who once threw a woman's clothes outside to get her to leave after they had sex and the next day she wrote him a love note apologizing for making him mad. Sounds like she's the victim here, Woggle.
PJKino Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 -------> point . o ./|\ . /\ You The point here is that if you aren't getting women it's because YOU are doing something wrong, maybe whats wrong is that your fat and unattractive, that was my problem, but thats still YOU doing something wrong. Namely over eating and under exercising, and it's a fixable problem. If you feel your too short, too red headed, too whatever to get girls I guarantee thats not really the problem as none of those things are repulsive to everybody. Well my face isnt attractive so uhh not much i can do there..
Rorschach Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Well my face isnt attractive so uhh not much i can do there.. Whats the problem with it, blemishes, pimples, rashes, scars, they have creams for all of that many many problems can be fixed just by knowing how to take care of them. Do some manscaping on those eyebrows, trim the nose nair, etc etc etc. Now I will say that (in my opinion) maybe 5% of the population can have a truly ugly face (probably not even that many) that is just flat out not built right, I don't think that is a complete black out thing though. Even if it was there is always plastic surgery, but I don't think even thats necassary.
PJKino Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Yeah, because guys who hate women and hate themselves and are angry at the entire world are incredibly sexy and attractive. I would totally want to bring a man into my life when all he has to offer is "I hate myself". There's nothing sexier than trying to fix the self-esteem of a self-pitying child who needs a second mom to take care of him. Why do u have to use extremes? Im a pretty positive in life generally,i dont do well with women so in that part of my life im insecure..Its dellusional to think you can be overly positive in a certain aspect of life where youve had nothing but failure and no positive feedback.. Doesnt mean i hate women at all or life just means in one aspect of life im insecure and unconfident becasue ive has no sucess in that field..Im tryign to work on it but im sorry just telling soemobdy to be positive is much easier said then done esepcially when you arent in that persons situation..
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 She would have wanted him to be: more challenging intellectually stimulating more aggressive less typical What is more challenging? Women throw that term around and none of us know what it means.More agressive how? Slap their butt on the first date? Explain.What does less typical mean? It doesn't mean ANYTHING specifically, it's in someone's nature. I can only speak for myself, but wit and intelligence are prerequisites for any connection, even just physical. I don't kiss doofuses. For one, don't take me to Applebee's. I don't want to go on the same date I went on last week. You have to separate yourself from the others. Inquire about me, and when you find something you conflict with me about- ask further, debate. You'd find that actually, you could kiss me on the first date... if you tried. You're asking for a definition- it's all in the chemistry.
PJKino Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 She would have wanted him to be: more challenging intellectually stimulating more aggressive less typical The chances of me befriending someone who was in prison are slight. The chances of me EVER dating anyone who visited prison are < slight. Like I said, I'm surprised you're even friends with these past convicts to know how many women they get. The challenging part makes me shake my head..Life is challenging enough why do some of you women WANT a Man and relationship to be challenging? Makes no sense at all to me,just sounds like playing childish games unless your in your teens or early 20's games are a waste of everyones time for grownups..do women need drama and emotional rollercoasters to not be bored?
PJKino Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Whats the problem with it, blemishes, pimples, rashes, scars, they have creams for all of that many many problems can be fixed just by knowing how to take care of them. Do some manscaping on those eyebrows, trim the nose nair, etc etc etc. Now I will say that (in my opinion) maybe 5% of the population can have a truly ugly face (probably not even that many) that is just flat out not built right, I don't think that is a complete black out thing though. Even if it was there is always plastic surgery, but I don't think even thats necassary. I cant explain it specifics im just not attratcive,i got a big Italian nose and i dotn have money for plastic surgery i guess is part of it..
Rorschach Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I cant explain it specifics im just not attratcive,i got a big Italian nose and i dotn have money for plastic surgery i guess is part of it.. Well just judging from this post the only negative thing you listed is 'big italian nose' and no decent women is going to turn a man down just because of a big nose, at least, no women you should be interested in anyway. I could understand if you had a hunchback, buck teeth, and one eye was an inch higher than the other. but 'big italian nose' doesn't an 'ugly face' make.
deux ex machina Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Friends have lost relationships over this. You can laugh but it's no joke. JS...you saw what I was responding to? I can laugh, or I can cry. One or the other, really. Guess it depends on how much I actually come to know and care about a man, thinking he cares for me...not realizing that all along he thought my highest (maybe even only), value was simply as a sex doll. He wasn't nice because he cared for me - he was nice with an ulterior motive attached. Until he got resentful and passive-aggressive, that is. I love a geniunely kind man. My point is, nice guys aren't really nice. All they have to offer are assumed contracts (entitlement). I don't think many of them like women. Geniunely like them.
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 You answered less typical.You brought up the word challenging. You can't answer what it means? How are your guys challenging to you? Do they play challenging boardgames? Do they play head games? You brought it up so you should be able to exaplain it. I DID explain it. I want to be intellectually stimulated. I like friendly debate and I like having my ideas and values questioned. I am strong in my theories- and I appreciate when someone else shows they have done their homework too. It represents them as a person, and how they view the world. I'm educated and carry significant expectations for myself. I'm not looking for an average person, because I am not average. I love to learn, I expect my partner to teach me- and be teachable. The fact you presented me with playing "challenging board games" as describing a "challenging person" makes me think we're not on the same page.
PJKino Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I DID explain it. I want to be intellectually stimulated. I like friendly debate and I like having my ideas and values questioned. I am strong in my theories- and I appreciate when someone else shows they have done their homework too. It represents them as a person, and how they view the world. I'm educated and carry significant expectations for myself. I'm not looking for an average person, because I am not average. I love to learn, I expect my partner to teach me- and be teachable. The fact you presented me with playing "challenging board games" as describing a "challenging person" makes me think we're not on the same page. I cant speak for JS but i misunderstood when you said challenging i figured you meant a guy being unvailable playing games not showing too much interest etc
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 One of your four qualities was intellectually stimulating. Another was challenging. You gave a fine answer for intellectually stimulating and I appreciate it. You have given no answer for challenging. Why is that? They coexist. Challenging and intellectually stimulating go hand in hand. Perhaps when I am intellectually stimulated, I feel challenged- which I enjoy. I cant speak for JS but i misunderstood when you said challenging i figured you meant a guy being unvailable playing games not showing too much interest etc That is behavior of a child. I appreciate time-appropriate advances and interest.
stillafool Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Becuase women look at being nice and respectful as being a boring loser.Because women look at being a jerk and demanding sex within a week as having a positive attitude. You devil! You know us so well!!!!!!
Woggle Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Sounds like she's the victim here, Woggle. There are victims and there are willing doormats. She is the latter.
Woggle Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I don't get the challenging thing either. My guess is that women who love drama are ones who have never experienced much of the real thing which makes a person treasure peace and contentment when they finally reach it. I guess you can appreciate the sun if you have never seen the rain. Most of these women are spoiled upper class girls who never had to struggle for anything so they are spoiled and get easily bored.
alphamale Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 Why is it that women don't like boring losers who feel sorry for themselves? you could hook up with women who are boring losers and feel sorry for themselves. trust me there is no shortage of them
carhill Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 My guess is that women who love drama are ones who have never experienced much of the real thing which makes a person treasure peace and contentment when they finally reach it.I asked someone I once loved that question (why the drama?) and she told me honestly that she hated it (the drama) but just couldn't stop herself. I finally had to give her up. Very sad day for me, but I treasure peace and contentment too much. Life's too short...
Woggle Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 I asked someone I once loved that question (why the drama?) and she told me honestly that she hated it (the drama) but just couldn't stop herself. I finally had to give her up. Very sad day for me, but I treasure peace and contentment too much. Life's too short... This sounds like something a crackhead would say.
alphamale Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 This sounds like something a crackhead would say. no, normal chicks say it all the time
carhill Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 (edited) Bi-polar..... and I see the same signs (hate drama but are attracted to it) in some of my married female friends who have similar issues. I sure hope that's not 'normal'. Yikes... Edited May 21, 2010 by carhill
SilentWitness Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 The closest thing I ever had to that was the semi-relationship I had with my best (Girl) friend. Of course, that went to hell completely. I was in the same position with my best friend not quite a year ago. Lost the only woman that has interested me in that way, beyond superficially, and my best friend all at once. Never again.
Ross PK Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 Why do u have to use extremes? Im a pretty positive in life generally,i dont do well with women so in that part of my life im insecure..Its dellusional to think you can be overly positive in a certain aspect of life where youve had nothing but failure and no positive feedback.. Doesnt mean i hate women at all or life just means in one aspect of life im insecure and unconfident becasue ive has no sucess in that field..Im tryign to work on it but im sorry just telling soemobdy to be positive is much easier said then done esepcially when you arent in that persons situation.. Don't rise to it PJ. She's just baiting.
donnamaybe Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 There wouldn't be anything wrong with telling him the truth. But you guys are NOT doing the same thing as the situation you're explaining. Did you even read the other thread where people WERE doing the same things as the above situation? Or any of the OTHER numerous threads that were so? This thread is basically an exclamation that we are sick and tired of the pity parties where, when people try to sympathize and offer genuine advice, they get slapped for it and there is an absolute refusal to consider any other viewpoint. It is a tough love approach, since the other NEVER seems to work. It gets VERY old.
donnamaybe Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 There is a CLEAR differences in the meaning of "nice" to men and women. Men see "nice" guys as their best friends, average joe, etc. Women see "nice" guys as overcompensating, too much-too soon, overwhelming but not offensive. So, they're just that "nice guy" who you don't want to date, but sure- we can be friends. For example, my friend was seeing a "nice guy". -average looking, no issue there. -BORING conversationalist -interested in her, great -unoffensive -sweet guy -texted DAILY but that's ALL he brought to the table. The demise of "nice guys" is hugely due to other factors. I HAVE a true nice guy. He is good looking - not tall - quite short actually, but he most DEFINITELY is a giant in my eyes. (so much for every woman HAS to have a tall guy ) VERY interesting to talk with; great sense of humor; quick witted. Interested in me (of course) but is not an arse kisser (thank goodness) Unoffensive? Hmmm.... Depends on how you can take VERY blue jokes when he's in the mood. Very sweet guy, but won't take crap off anyone. We're always in touch with each other. The parts I bolded are often what guys who proclaim themselves to be "nice guys" are missing, just like the example of the guy I spoke about earlier (I think it was this thread) who I could tell would let me walk all over him if I were so inclined. MY guy would NEVER allow that. That's part of his appeal for me.
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