Author ss1 Posted May 28, 2010 Author Posted May 28, 2010 I understand what you are saying here, but let me ask you all some questions in return and I would love hear your answers: 1.) Do you think it appropriate not to provide a level of trust your your partner is they have given you no reason to question their loyalty? 2.) Do you think it is relationships best interest to question; as in a murder trial; everyone to the 9th degree to satisfy your desires? 3.) Do you think that if you take the approach that some of you have suggest would only create a relationship of dishonesty, frustration, and proof to your partner that you are in the relationship for yourself and not for each other? Not say what your partner was correct but lets take the highest road and say it was as she says. 4.) I feel that many of you have been burned really bad; as I have in the past; but haven't really taken corrective actions to see what in you did that caused your partner to seek stimulation outside the relationship? Yes the action are on blame of your partner but you have to take a part in that responsibility as you didn't provide something to your partner right? <- I ask for you to think about this one hard.. -> 5.) If you made a mistake similar to what my W did would you live in a relationship where you were put under a microscope for the first offense and when a boundary you had wasn't clearly communication. I am not ignoring the situation or the responses, I am sensitive to everyone involved and again TIME is on my side. If my W did cheat then the guilt that she carries will just grow and at some point she will implode. If she does it again she knows that because of her last bad judgement there was some lost trust. As well I know a lot of folks in our company as we work for the same company and eventually it will be noticed and it will get back to me. Many folks within the company know my past relationship and the hurt it caused me and they were very supportive of me. I just find that some of the recommendations that I am reading seem so very destructive. Regardless of your partners infidelity you should be remain a gentleman and stand held high and say you did everything to provide a save relationship for your partner. Unfortunately my partner decided in behavior that exceed my boundaries and I need to move on. My past relationship end in so much animosity and bitterness; and I have children with my past divorces wife that it so difficult to communicate with her in the best interest of our children. I want to avoid certain mistakes I made in the last relationship. The wool may seem to be over my eyes, but I choose to be subtle. We went to a counselor today and discuss many things. So far the counselor isn't alarms about what happened or how I approach it. My feelings of doubt, anger, and disappointment are completely justified, but I checked them & balanced them. Infidelity - violation of mutually-agreed upon rules or boundaries of an intimate relationship.
ComputerJock Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Ask your wife to take a polygraph, about events of that night I think JNJ is right. The story is hard to believe, or you wouldn't be on the Infidelity site. Tell your wife that some of your friends (us on line) have trouble with the story and are letting their imaginations run wild (orgy story), so to clear up everything you want to have her take a polygraph test. Say it in a conversational tone. But, if she says no way I would get really suspicous. Read up on posts here and other sites where polygraph testing was done. One point to make right before she takes the test is that if she fails you would be inclined to file for divorce, if she passes then you are going to take her out for a great dinner and will take her to the jewerly store next week and buy her a gift (it's worth it). She is going to say "But don't you love me and trust me?" "Sure I do, but your story is a little too hard to believe." Anyone else want to comment on this idea? As far as statements by all involved, OP would lie to cover his a$$ and subordinates would lie because it is a great sword to hold over your wife, their boss, when review time comes. Don't let your ego get in the way, your here because you suspect something and a lot of posters here smell something.
ComputerJock Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 I understand what you are saying here, but let me ask you all some questions in return and I would love hear your answers: 1.) Do you think it appropriate not to provide a level of trust your your partner is they have given you no reason to question their loyalty? Unfortunately you yourself are questioning that trust. I don't think you are here to argue your wife's fidelity, your here because you, an intelligent man, have doubts. You don't get to where you str in life by being stupid, your not here to defend your wife, your here to get help so listen to the people who have all been down this road before. 2.) Do you think it is relationships best interest to question; as in a murder trial; everyone to the 9th degree to satisfy your desires? Those who don't question their relationships can find themselves in a position with an unhappy spouse...question, listen to the answers, see if you believe the answers and take action to make the relationship better. Those who didn't listen wind up shocked when their relationships flounder, and yours must be on a rocky sea or you wouldn't be going to councling. 3.) Do you think that if you take the approach that some of you have suggest would only create a relationship of dishonesty, frustration, and proof to your partner that you are in the relationship for yourself and not for each other? Not say what your partner was correct but lets take the highest road and say it was as she says. If you believed it was as she said (a hard thing to believe) then you would not be here. Others have been there. You don't know if she is dishonest until you are lied to and the lie is caught. 4.) I feel that many of you have been burned really bad; as I have in the past; but haven't really taken corrective actions to see what in you did that caused your partner to seek stimulation outside the relationship? Yes the action are on blame of your partner but you have to take a part in that responsibility as you didn't provide something to your partner right? <- I ask for you to think about this one hard.. -> Not all actions taken by a betrayed spouse result in a repented wayward spouse. Your ego is showing if you honestly think you are not in a relationship that has problems. All relationships have problems and that is what there are sites like this. You need to listen to what those who have been down the road are telling where the potholes are and what to look for. 5.) If you made a mistake similar to what my W did would you live in a relationship where you were put under a microscope for the first offense and when a boundary you had wasn't clearly communication. Pardon me, sir, but as you read these sites and the people who comment on them, your WIFE DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE, SHE MADE A DECISION TO SLEEP IN A ROOM WITH A MARRIED MAN. What happen is left up to the imagination. You need to look up the steps a betrayed spouse goes through, the hurt, anger, and pain. Look at those who have restored their relationships and marriages that got stronger, but remember more have failed. Get your ego out of the way and listen to the old timers. If you are not going to listen to them, why be on this site at all. From one who's been there. I am not ignoring the situation or the responses, I am sensitive to everyone involved and again TIME is on my side. If my W did cheat then the guilt that she carries will just grow and at some point she will implode. If she does it again she knows that because of her last bad judgement there was some lost trust. As well I know a lot of folks in our company as we work for the same company and eventually it will be noticed and it will get back to me. Many folks within the company know my past relationship and the hurt it caused me and they were very supportive of me. I just find that some of the recommendations that I am reading seem so very destructive. Regardless of your partners infidelity you should be remain a gentleman and stand held high and say you did everything to provide a save relationship for your partner. Unfortunately my partner decided in behavior that exceed my boundaries and I need to move on. My past relationship end in so much animosity and bitterness; and I have children with my past divorces wife that it so difficult to communicate with her in the best interest of our children. I want to avoid certain mistakes I made in the last relationship. The wool may seem to be over my eyes, but I choose to be subtle. We went to a counselor today and discuss many things. So far the counselor isn't alarms about what happened or how I approach it. My feelings of doubt, anger, and disappointment are completely justified, but I checked them & balanced them. Infidelity - violation of mutually-agreed upon rules or boundaries of an intimate relationship. I hope you don't discover she cheated down the road, I hope you can build a stronger marriage in the here and now. Many good sites from both who were betrayed and those that betrayed. IMHO.
2sunny Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) I understand what you are saying here, but let me ask you all some questions in return and I would love hear your answers: 1.) Do you think it appropriate not to provide a level of trust your your partner is they have given you no reason to question their loyalty? 2.) Do you think it is relationships best interest to question; as in a murder trial; everyone to the 9th degree to satisfy your desires? 3.) Do you think that if you take the approach that some of you have suggest would only create a relationship of dishonesty, frustration, and proof to your partner that you are in the relationship for yourself and not for each other? Not say what your partner was correct but lets take the highest road and say it was as she says. 4.) I feel that many of you have been burned really bad; as I have in the past; but haven't really taken corrective actions to see what in you did that caused your partner to seek stimulation outside the relationship? Yes the action are on blame of your partner but you have to take a part in that responsibility as you didn't provide something to your partner right? <- I ask for you to think about this one hard.. -> 5.) If you made a mistake similar to what my W did would you live in a relationship where you were put under a microscope for the first offense and when a boundary you had wasn't clearly communication. I am not ignoring the situation or the responses, I am sensitive to everyone involved and again TIME is on my side. If my W did cheat then the guilt that she carries will just grow and at some point she will implode. If she does it again she knows that because of her last bad judgement there was some lost trust. As well I know a lot of folks in our company as we work for the same company and eventually it will be noticed and it will get back to me. Many folks within the company know my past relationship and the hurt it caused me and they were very supportive of me. I just find that some of the recommendations that I am reading seem so very destructive. Regardless of your partners infidelity you should be remain a gentleman and stand held high and say you did everything to provide a save relationship for your partner. Unfortunately my partner decided in behavior that exceed my boundaries and I need to move on. My past relationship end in so much animosity and bitterness; and I have children with my past divorces wife that it so difficult to communicate with her in the best interest of our children. I want to avoid certain mistakes I made in the last relationship. The wool may seem to be over my eyes, but I choose to be subtle. We went to a counselor today and discuss many things. So far the counselor isn't alarms about what happened or how I approach it. My feelings of doubt, anger, and disappointment are completely justified, but I checked them & balanced them. Infidelity - violation of mutually-agreed upon rules or boundaries of an intimate relationship. i could answer all those questions - but it really wouldn't be that useful to you. YOU are making this about YOU. set your ego aside. the ego that is worried that you may be embarrassed, made to look bad, or may have to admit something to yourself and/or to others that you choose not to admit. you are trying to prove this by working it backwards. it's not yours to work - it's really hers to give you the details of the whole evening - yet you have made this about you and not wanting to ruffle her feathers - so you don't end up having the FULL story. what are you so afraid of? is she that intimidating that you can't ask her for the details that could give you complete peace of mind? if she is innocent and nothing happened - she should be SO willing to explain every little detail that would easily put your mind at ease - but she hasn't... the cover up has begun and she's sticking to it... so far. that is why you need to know more. i know it's painful - but take yourself out of the equation and then look at this logically. review the evening without your emotions. NOW - turn the situation around and pretend that YOU are in your wife's situation... out with men and women partying too much and spend the night drinking and partying so much as to cause embarrassment and shame to everyone there. how could this be remotely innocent? think - if it were you - what would you have such remorse about? SOMETHING happened there - no one is willing to give details (they could lose their jobs) - yet she wants you to believe nothing happened. SOMETHING happened. the fact that there won't be any admission - therefore no amends will be made by your W to set things right - says it all. you are willing to overlook - and look the other way - to save face... is that enough? is that the best approach for a healthy marriage? i really wonder what your goal is here... is it to learn how to ignore your instincts - or it to face the truth - after finding the truth - and growing and learning from what that truth actually is? i don't know... please enlighten me. what are YOU gaining by putting your head in the sand? saving face isn't good enough when you even begin to wonder whether or not you may or may not trust your wife. to spend the rest of your years wondering and checking up on her - can be extremely exhausting - and quite frankly - it will suck the life and spirit out of you. to turn a blind eye is very unhealthy for anyone. find out the details... THEN you can decide if you need to address something in your M or not. Edited May 28, 2010 by 2sunny
jnj express Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Hey ss1---you are already in a situation of distrust---otherwise you wouldn't be questioning the events that happened that night.---By the way, since you have known your wife from the beginning----what other times, and conditions, has your wife spent the night drunk, and in bed with another man. Do you really believe your wife just lay in bed with this guy, and nothing happened. She brought it up, cuz she couldn't keep it in, but she is doing damage control---its out in the open, but what happened is not in the open----ARE YOU TELLING ME THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER PLACE IN THAT HOTEL ROOM, SHE COULD HAVE SLEPT BESIDES IN BED WITH THE OTHER GUY. especially since she was married. Wouldn't it have been safer for one of the singles to have been in bed with the other guy. If it had to come to that. As to listening to the people who post here-----NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE IN THE WORLD, HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND EXPERIENCE, ABOUT THESE SITUATIONS THAN A BETRAYED SPOUSE, WHO HAS LIVED THE EXPERIENCE. EVEN COUNSELORS, UNLESS THEY ARE BETRAYED'S, CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM BOOK KNOWLEDGE, OR GATHERED KNOWLEDGE. It is the betrayed who has felt the pain, done the investigating, had the gut feelings, lived thru the confrontation. No one can give you better knowledge, and help, than the betrayed, and even those who are here that have strayed, they will help you thru this more than ANYONE ELSE can, LISTEN TO THEM----THEY HAVE LIVED IT, THEY SPEAK WITH EXPERIENCE.
2sunny Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 from your original post in this thread... He ended up pulling the sofa bed out and she and a female coworker crashed on the sofa bed and another in the bed with him (clothed). She text me that evening she was going to bed that evening, but it wasn't her hotel bed. just to be clear - she says she slept on the sofa bed... some other gal slept with the man. that's her story. he never said SHE slept on the bed with him. "I have a personnel rule, married you make it back to your bed hell or high water." if this is your personnel - personal - rule... YOU did have a boundary set - even though you have said you didn't. this was your boundary - and SHE did cross it... knowing full well it was wrong to disregard and disrespect your boundary. either way - we get that gut instinct for a reason. your gut says something is "off" or you wouldn't be here - follow your gut - it never lies... i guarantee it.
JustJoe Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 SS1 I feel that you have attempted to take the high road on this issue and it does you credit. I do however, feel that an example needs to be made, to prevent such bad behavior , in the future. All of the spouses should be told, and if possible, your wife should not be allowed any overnight travel, until you are satisfied that all events of that evening are cleared up, or you get all factual evidence of any mis-deeds.
2sunny Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Why your partner you ask? Well think about it; if she didn't or did something she may presume you would do something in retaliation; if they did what they did even an innocent mistake they will hold that pain of how they hurt you and project it on you causing strain in the relationship. we are not talking retaliation. we first need to know the truth. i don't understand how you leap to retaliation so quickly. why would SHE hold that hurt against YOU? think logically. IF something happened - SHE needs to own it - admit... then decide together whether or not you both can work to find what healthy looks like in YOUR marriage. if there's no truth - you just MAY spend a decade or so just wondering... that is so selfish IF she with holds the truth just to let it eat you up on the inside. If my wife is cheating then that is bad and it will surface, but at the same time I have to look at what is driving her to take make this decision. I didn't meet a need she had in our relationship because I didn't properly focus on the relationship. That is why I never stop looking at how I can improve myself. If it is out of my control and I can't provide to her what she needs then we both made a big mistake in getting married and we must accept the results and move on. IF she cheated - that is for HER to own... HER to do the hard work to regain your trust. DO NOT try to make this about you at this point. IF she did bad - SHE is the one to be held responsible, not you. IF you choose to work to mend the M at that point... then you will need to participate in her repair process. but that will never be a consideration unless you find out IF you may have reason for concern... hence - the need for complete honesty from her.
Cinnamon2000 Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 **UPDATE** I felt that I should provide appropriate updates for you all, as if I ever do need additional insight in the future that this could help.. 1.) Wife and I are going to counseling today, she agreed it would be good for us and the family. Not because of the past situation but it will be included. 2.) Spoke to male co-worker, he apologized and stated it was very poor judgement on his part. 3.) Spoke to female co-worker (not other), she mentioned what happen on the hush hush as it was very embarrassing for her and quite stupid. 4.) Wife has mentioned she will not be spending time out with male co-worker again as his judgement as well hers was questionable and not appropriate for company, marriages, and reputations. More to come after counseling, note we will cover more then just this incident. Lonestar190: I am taken back by your comment; ambivalence to her going out in past; I am not ambivalent. She shares with me what she is doing as I do with her. I didn't seek out the information as I had no reason to distrust her, now after this event; and she knows; I am more alert and trust has been damaged a bit, but again I will be calm and collected on how I approach it. Something happened that night in that hotel room on that bed. There might be even more parties involved than disclosed (other strangers at the bar). It seems to me that they all just want to forget about it. One suggestion will ease your mind for good: ASK YOUR WIFE TO TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST REGARDING THAT NIGHT! The following is likely to happened: 1) She will be very mad and sad that you even asked her. (could be a sign that she got something to hide). 2) She will agree to it and hoping that you won't follow through it or that she can talk her way out of it later on. 3) On the day of the test, 30 minutes before the test, she confessed to 60% of what happened and hope that she doesn't have to take the test to reveal the other 40%. 4) She takes the test (hoping she can pass) and failed misserably. 5) She takes the test and pass. This is the result you want, but, is it going to happen?
Author ss1 Posted June 1, 2010 Author Posted June 1, 2010 Okay, I have to ask how many individuals (male/female) have asked their Partner to take a lie detector test to determine if they have had an affair. And affair has a large definition, depending on what that individual feels is an affair will truly trigger them to produce a result. BTW, I speak from experience on how these units work for them most part. That being said, don't think that this situation doesn't continue to go through my mind. Trying to put all the information, facts, stories together to determine what may have really happen. I find myself doubting my partner now and wonder what her intentions really are; which I really hate. How should I bring more of this and these questions up in counseling? That way it is done in a controlled environment.
ComputerJock Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 During counseling tell her you are unsure of her story, ask her if you had slept in the room with another women and said it was because you were drunk and nothing happened would she believe you? Put the problem right where it belongs, on her. Ask her to show you real love and honesty by taking the test. (see previous posts on this) If she really loves you and nothing happened she would be anxious to clear away the cobwebs of doubt. If not, you have a real problem on your hands and need to do 180 on her. (other posts and sites describe 180 steps.) Good luck, you may uncover a truth you don't want to discover, but to make you marriage stronger you have to have the truth and YOU have to decide if you want to stay in the marriage or leave, not her. You have to be in power. Right now she is power. Good Luck. No test no marriage, it's as simple as that because you will never have trust until you know what really happened.
jnj express Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 No matter what you end up doing----you need to strongly address the situations, of heavy drinking in the bar, then knowing da*n well she needed to go to her room, she went to a man's room----and there is absolutely NO excuse she can give for doing that. The getting in bed with the man. I don't care how drunk she was----she knew what she was doing was wrong. So even if there was no sex, she willingly went in HARM'S WAY---- those issues, have to be addressed----and if you do R., she needs some very strong boundaries, with dealbreaker consequences----THAT YOU WILL IMPLEMENT---the consequences, cannot just be words.
jnj express Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 By the way ss1----you have ducked all around the seemingly root cause of all of this, including yourself---(as you admitted in an earlier post)---what are the 2 of you doing about the alcohol, and the both of you getting so drunk, you don't know what you are doing at times. As stated before, I have not heard one word about how you 2 alcoholics are handling this situation----and you better believe, I am very willing to bet, and would proven right, THAT YOU BOTH ARE ALCOHOLICS
Author ss1 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 jnj express, That is a pretty bold statement to say we are alcoholics. We don't drink generally, and the only time that we drink is in a social situation. The last time I got plowed was about 4 years ago and was in the presence of my significant other. How do you come to the conclusion that we are alcoholics? Where within all my posts do the facts drive you in that direction? Kind Regards,
Mimolicious Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 Sorry SS1 but you have mentioned several times on this thread "When I am drunk as a skunk" and that you go out with co-workers and drinking past your limits yet you still make it home. Drinking is a great issue here and probably what may be cracking the foundation of your relationship.
Krytie TV Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 FWIW, I hope you don't find out a painful truth 5 or 10 years down the road. Every part of what you say occured on your wife's trip smells stinky.
Author ss1 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 Okay I think folks have taken my comment about my drinking and her drinking out of context. Yes have we both had a couple of outings where you had a little fun and drank a bit more then you expected, yes. But these are on very very rare occasions, maybe 2 in a two year period. I don't even drink at home, and if we have beer in the house it will last an entire year; far beyond the good until date . So lets set that picture now, in this situation my wife was drank heavily and drank to much, but this is not the norm. She did it once before this year in the same location on another business trip but without the male co-worker she ended up in the room of. She was drinking with her lady co-workers. Blindsidedagainalive; "Please explain this doubt...did you read anything from her? What do you mean by 'what her intentions really are'." Basically, I sit going over and over in my head the stories I have received and taking into consideration everything I have read on this forum. I am a very logical person; to a fault; that the story doesn't always come to the same conclusion which is; nothing happened. How can a married, mature women; drunk or not; make a decision at that moment that what she was doing was even remotely okay, then wake up in the morning and go that wasn't okay to do. So I go around and around in my mind about the situation, but again I put justification in my mind that she hasn't done anything like this before, she hasn't given me any reason to not believe for story so I need to take the story as she says it;; BUT I still go through and wonder what is on her cell, what is in her email, would she hide this from me just to avoid a real damage it could or couldn't cause. When we did discuss this, she position is as it happened it is the past and it was really stupid and unfortunately she can't go back and change history. I don't want her not to think she can tell me anything in the future either so I tread lightly, but I didn't do anything except stay home with the kids and care for their needs so she could do her business. ugh..
Krytie TV Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I am a very logical person; to a fault. I agree. If you were a little less logical and a tad bit more emotional this would be eating away at your insides. So in this case your overwhelming logic serves you well.
Bryanp Posted June 2, 2010 Posted June 2, 2010 I am sorry my friend but she is clearly in damage control mode and because of your economic situation you feel you must somehow logically accept her clearly illogical statements. I know down deep you know there is much more to her story. This is a bitter pill to swallow.
Author ss1 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Posted June 2, 2010 Bryanp - I don't know where the economic situation comes into place as I haven't mentioned any issues there..
jnj express Posted June 3, 2010 Posted June 3, 2010 Hey ss1---I replied the way I did, based upon yours, and her, social drinking habits as related on this thread. And you completely ducking the issue in your discussion of the causes for this mess. OK, maybe you don't drink----but why is it that the last couple of times, your wife has gotten so wasted, that she threw all sense, and caution to the wind. Would she have gone to a man's room, if she were sober. Why is it THAT YOUR WIFE HAS TO GO TO A BAR, OR DRINKING AT ALL WHEN ON BUSINESS TRIPS---is she so weak willed, that when drinking is suggested, she loses control of her senses, and goes, and gets herself plowed, and look what it lead to------otherwise if she had acted like a properly married, and thinking wife---we wouldn't even be here would we. Part of getting to the WHY of this might be to ask her what were her thought processes that night from beginning to end. Why did she go drinking--- Why did she go to a bar----- Why did she go to this male's room to CONTINUE drinking, or so she says.- Why did she not take a taxi to her own hotel Ask her what were her thoughts at each of these steps----Everybody know matter what their condition---still thinks-----what was she thinking about as she knew she was heading toward oblivion No matter what, your wife needs some help, as to alcohol, or at least controlling herself when out of town, by herself, in a single's social setting----WHAT WAS SHE TRYING TO PROVE BY GETTING SO WASTED, SHE ENDED IN A MAN'S ROOM FOR THE NIGHT??????????
Church Bells Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 When we did discuss this, she position is as it happened it is the past and it was really stupid and unfortunately she can't go back and change history. I don't want her not to think she can tell me anything in the future either so I tread lightly, but I didn't do anything except stay home with the kids and care for their needs so she could do her business. ss1, CLEARLY, you are having major issues with this episode or you wouldn't still be here trying to reconcile what happened, while trying to defend your W's truly indefensible actions. From my perspective, I can't comprehend your desire to "tread lightly", but I understand that we are all cut from different cloth. I'm really sorry for you. I'm sorry that you've given up all the power in your relationship to your W. I'm sorry that she no longer respects you enough to help you deal with this. I'm sorry that you don't know what's going on in your own M. I'm sorry that you don't have the courage to seek out the truth. I'm sorry that your W has humiliated you to your co-workers. I'm sorry that you don't have the self-respect to stand up for YOURSELF!!! I simply COULDN'T knowingly live this kind of life, but from reading infidelity sites for 3 years now, I see that many more BH's favor your approach than mine ... and THAT also, makes me sorry.
jnj express Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Hey Church Bells---I'm not so sure your statement about BH's is accurate, in that I think there are a whole lot of H's that do not tolerate infidelity at all, they just walk away immediately, they never get to a web site as this or SI----for them one time is a dealbreaker, and it is over----the stats on those situations are never seen on web sites like these.
Church Bells Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) jnj, I stand corrected ... and agree with your correction of my previous statement. ETA: In addition, I have come to the conculsion that those BH's who proceed directly to Plan D wind up a LOT healthier long term, than those of us who found a way to compromise our own values. Edited June 9, 2010 by Church Bells
road Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 "Why did she go drinking--- Why did she go to a bar----- Why did she go to this male's room to CONTINUE drinking, or so she says.- Why did she not take a taxi to her own hotel" It's called damage control. Schedule a polygraph test. The day before WW will spill her guts. Seen it happen some many times.
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