Author St. Nick Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 Now I do agree that approaching builds confidence so that could be helpful. But since women are being "approached" they build confidence as well (fending off men whose advances they dislike hahaha). I don't see how you can say women meet a small selection of men if they are constantly being approached! You may have some points with the other stuff you wrote, but this stuff here is flawed. How does someone build confidence by turning consistently turning people down? At the most it gases up your head to think make you think you have power. But it doesn't give you confidence toward meeting people, approaching people, initiating conversations, and keeping people's interest in you. That kind of confidence is much more valuable, and that's something women miss. You're also making the incorrect assumption that the average woman is constantly approached. In small towns and suburbs across America there are women who got married right after high school or in their 20s because the selection of men who approached them was small. You are DEFINITELY lying when you say the average woman is constantly approached. Even in big cities many women find it tough to find guys to approach them. But whether in a small town or a big city, a man has the option of all the women because he approaches. I totally agree with you. It is not about details/numbers that you have scored because the numbers do not matter. I agree with your point that any man, even unattractive and short, has unlimited opportunities to get laid if he wants to and able to do that. All he has to do is to take initiative and be cooperative. Thank you. Why don't more women see that. This has to be the most retarded post ever on this site. Congratulations. Thanks for the insightful contribution to this thread. Glad you've played our game. And what mature adult uses the word "retarded" when they want to be taken seriously? (1) nah, if he sleeps around he is branded a ho just like a woman. (2) have you talked to older men lately? they can't get any, and have sexual disfunction issues, which is why older woman go for younger men. 1. Men don't care about being branded a ho as much as women care. Besides, a man who sleeps around has achieved his goal: sex. A woman who sleeps around has not achieved her goal: LTR, because she's too busy with one night stands to stick around. 2. Nope. Older men marrying younger women has been going on for centuries. How can you refute this? Older women have just as many, if not more, sexual dysfunction issues than men their age. As women get older, they lose their beauty, and fewer men want sex with them, and even fewer want a LTR. Even men their own age are going after younger women. You said, "which is why older women go for younger men". But do younger men go for older women? Many older women have a tough time finding a man and are lonely. They did a report about this in Australia about how older single women are urged to become lesbians rather than stay lonely: http://fathersforlife.org/families/lesbianismforcrones.htm It doesn't matter if older women go for younger men. Most younger men don't want an older woman, unless she's a smoking hot MILF. And even then it's usually just a quick fling. While older men can get sexual fulfillment and LTR a lot easier. now you are talking stupid . . . you are making no sense. This discussion is ridiculous. wear protection . . . Hey, I do think being a player is being in a relationship. So sue me if my opinion disagrees with yours. No, no. His goal was to have sex with me... otherwise he would have dropped the $70 he did on one dinner, for a blowjob. Sex is easy to come by, LTR's are easy to come by. He could have effortlessly hired a hooker, I could have hooked a loser to date me long term. But you argued "DATING" (sex with the woman you're dating) is easier for men, not just sleazy sex... in which case, women STILL would have an advantage. And just as his goal (sex with me) was unsuccessful, my goal of LTR was unsuccessful. This certainly isn't about winning or losing, which is why i'm emphasizing his failures... Him spending over $200 on me, and NOT getting sex- is not as much of an investment as me enjoying the fruit of his labor, and not getting a LTR. We both received insufficent product, but his resources were expended significantly more than mine, while the same time on both of our parts was invested in the transaction. marsle, I know I've acted like a jerk to you, but I just want to say your posts are more insightful than any of the other female posters (even those older than you). Congratulations for actually dropping some knowledge. Maybe sara4sally or janie could get a few pointers on how to bring up valid arguments. However! Your dude could have achieved his goal a lot easier than you could have achieved yours. Sex is a lot easier to get than a LTR. Indeed, very fine! I bet he gets LTR all the time! St. Nick, clearly you think you speak for all men. I'm surprised you have yet to get thrown a boot party with this. Then again, you do a great job of helping all the women in the bar figure out which number they should call. Clearly I think I speak for all men? Did you not read the part where I kept on saying "generally speaking most men mainly want sex from women"? You keep taking shots at my character without refuting my argument. Like I said before, this thread was created so all the dudes whining about dating to realize dating is better for men than it is for women.
OpenGL Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 If quality isn't a priority- women and men are on an equal playing field. Disagree. You can sign up on pof and within 5 minutes be within a serious LTR with a guy who has a stable job making 60k/year, no kids, a 6/10 looks, and with a funny personality. No joke. Go ahead and disagree and I call you out right here on the forum and prove you wrong. Pick a city, pick ANY pics you want (it doesnt have to be you, you can find any random pics of a average looking female on the internet), and I can get you that guy within 5 minutes on the phone wanting to take you out to an expensive dinner this weekend. If a 6/10 guy with those same stats signed up for pof I guarantee you I can email every fat girl within a 50 mile radius and I will only get about 5% reply rate. None of which will lead to a phone number, let alone a date. Yes, the playing field is that uneven. Again. Call me out on this, I will prove it right here on the forums. I have nothing else better to do with my time.
bac Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I totally agree with you. It is not about details/numbers that you have scored because the numbers do not matter. I agree with your point that any man, even unattractive and short, has unlimited opportunities to get laid if he wants to and able to do that. All he has to do is to take initiative and be cooperative. Actually, it is important that a woman chooses him. A man might decrease all his unlimited opportunities down to zero if he is ignorant about females way of thinking. He might think that a woman thinks like a man, for example, she can not wait to score with any random dude. Therefore, the man might say and behave as all he wants from her ONS or NSA. If he does it, his unlimited opportunities go down to a very low chance.
D-Lish Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Disagree. You can sign up on pof and within 5 minutes be within a serious LTR with a guy who has a stable job making 60k/year, no kids, a 6/10 looks, and with a funny personality. No joke. Go ahead and disagree and I call you out right here on the forum and prove you wrong. Pick a city, pick ANY pics you want (it doesnt have to be you, you can find any random pics of a average looking female on the internet), and I can get you that guy within 5 minutes on the phone wanting to take you out to an expensive dinner this weekend. If a 6/10 guy with those same stats signed up for pof I guarantee you I can email every fat girl within a 50 mile radius and I will only get about 5% reply rate. None of which will lead to a phone number, let alone a date. Yes, the playing field is that uneven. Again. Call me out on this, I will prove it right here on the forums. I have nothing else better to do with my time. You are not arguing with me though, you are now arguing with the OP. But to be honest- your idea of what I would find attractive and what you may find attractive might not mesh. I appreciate the matchmaking offer though.
OpenGL Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 You are not arguing with me though, you are now arguing with the OP. But to be honest- your idea of what I would find attractive and what you may find attractive might not mesh. I appreciate the matchmaking offer though. No, I'm aruging your point here: It comes down to settling for quality or not. In the same way you could hire a weathered prostitute or take home a fat girl to achieve your goal. My point is, for women, they don't even have to sacrafice quality (unless you think not having a rich 8/10 is sacraficing). Guys have no choice, even sacraficing quality they go home empty handed.
Green Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Ok lets take a really perfect man/// smart/ good looking/ healthy/ rich/ famouse... Well he has it set when it comes to dating infact I would say he has it better then the perfect woman. Now lets take a crappy man/ poor/ stupid/ not so great looking/ unhealthy/ poor... well the woman has him beat. So as you lose ability women gain advantage... and as you go up in power ect... women lose.. Men win. The role most men and women play in dating is very different... the key is enjoying yourself.
D-Lish Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 No, I'm aruging your point here: My point is, for women, they don't even have to sacrafice quality (unless you think not having a rich 8/10 is sacraficing). Guys have no choice, even sacraficing quality they go home empty handed. Well, I was only using the point of average to illustrate that if a woman wanted a LTR, she could find it as easily as a man could find sex. OP is arguing dating is easier for men because they have an end goal of sex and that can be achieved regardless of the quality of the woman he pays or not. I might be able to go on POF and find a guy with good qualities- but that doesn't mean I'll be compatible with him, that doesn't mean I'll find him attractive or stimulating- nor him me. OP is saying it is easy for a man to have sex. He's including the fact that sex can be paid for- which is a valid point.
OpenGL Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Well, I was only using the point of average to illustrate that if a woman wanted a LTR, she could find it as easily as a man could find sex. OP is arguing dating is easier for men because they have an end goal of sex and that can be achieved regardless of the quality of the woman he pays or not. Ok, we are in agreement then that the entire argument of the OP is complete BS. I might be able to go on POF and find a guy with good qualities- but that doesn't mean I'll be compatible with him, that doesn't mean I'll find him attractive or stimulating- nor him me. Going to go ahead and call bull on this too. With the advent of internet dating, anytime a woman is single these days, it's by choice or she is aiming for something she doesn't provide herself, such as a fat girl holding out for a rich 8/10. Not saying this is you, I'm just saying that if you are single, it's by choice. Unless you have a huge laundry list of compatibility requirements, there exist a guy that meets them, on POF/okcupid/match/whatever right now that will shower you with gifts, dates, love, and affection to your hearts desires. It's quite litterally that easy for a woman. For a guy on the other hand, the reverse is true. Do you know what internet dating is like for a guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZevWuxrNE OP is saying it is easy for a man to have sex. He's including the fact that sex can be paid for- which is a valid point. 100% agreement on that. Sex is extremely easy to buy, and for pretty cheap. Despite what women think however, the vast majority of guys have no interest in paying for sex as we are looking for an emotional connection that comes with dating, not to just get off. Porn serves a good enough purpose for that.
Author St. Nick Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 Hey SN, I don't mind the way you debate, so I'll bite! I won't disagree that men have a short term goal of sex and many women want a LTR. But lots of women just want sex, and many men have a long term goal of finding a stable partner to have children with and to change their diapers when they get old:eek:. Hey, as Marsale said- I could go to my POF account right now and answer some average joe or some guy 10 or 15 years older than me looking to settle down and enter into a relationship with him in 5 minutes. It comes down to settling for quality or not. In the same way you could hire a weathered prostitute or take home a fat girl to achieve your goal. If quality isn't a priority- women and men are on an equal playing field. Here's a scenario: if no one ever said no to sex, and a woman always said yes to sex--even when approached by a strange man, men would always get more sex because we're the approachers. Like I said before, I go to a bar and approach 20 women, and my female friend is approached by 6 guys, I'll be successful with more women if they say yes, than the woman with 6 guys. Understand? And here's the second part. I bolded the word "answer". You can only choose the men who approach you, even on dating sites. Being the approachee makes you only able to "answer". But since guys are approaching you, they are able to meet more women. I'm willing to bet all those dudes who sent you messages on POF sent out more than you received.
janie423 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 (edited) Here's a scenario: if no one ever said no to sex, and a woman always said yes to sex--even when approached by a strange man, men would always get more sex because we're the approachers. (1) Like I said before, I go to a bar and approach 20 women, and my female friend is approached by 6 guys, I'll be successful with more women if they say yes, than the woman with 6 guys. Understand? And here's the second part. I bolded the word "answer". You can only choose the men who approach you, even on dating sites. Being the approachee makes you only able to "answer". But since guys are approaching you, they are able to meet more women. (2) I'm willing to bet all those dudes who sent you messages on POF sent out more than you received. (1) so the question is: if you are so successful why are you wasting time posting this nonsense? (2) I am going to simplify this for you. Let's say we have 100 men and 100 women in the total POF population. If all 100 men send out messages to all 100 women, than the following occurs: total messages sent = 10,000 total messages received = 10,000 total messages sent per man = 100 total messages received per woman = 100 Edited May 20, 2010 by janie423
Twenty-ten Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 , "A man can meet every woman since he’s expected to approach. A woman only has the choice of the men who approach her.” Well, duuuuh!!! Of course it is better for guys in this respect, which is why I will never understand the amount of whining that men do when it comes to their dating life. Get off your asses, stop your whimpering and get it done already!
janie423 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 You may have some points with the other stuff you wrote, but this stuff here is flawed. How does someone build confidence by turning consistently turning people down? At the most it gases up your head to think make you think you have power. But it doesn't give you confidence toward meeting people, approaching people, initiating conversations, and keeping people's interest in you. (1) That kind of confidence is much more valuable, and that's something women miss. 1. Men don't care about being branded a ho as much as women care. (2) Besides, a man who sleeps around has achieved his goal: sex. A woman who sleeps around has not achieved her goal: LTR, because she's too busy with one night stands to stick around. 2. Nope. Older men marrying younger women has been going on for centuries. How can you refute this? Older women have just as many, if not more, sexual dysfunction issues than men their age. As women get older, they lose their beauty, and fewer men want sex with them, and even fewer want a LTR. Even men their own age are going after younger women. You said, "which is why older women go for younger men". But do younger men go for older women? Many older women have a tough time finding a man and are lonely. (3) They did a report about this in Australia about how older single women are urged to become lesbians rather than stay lonely: http://fathersforlife.org/families/lesbianismforcrones.htm It doesn't matter if older women go for younger men. Most younger men don't want an older woman, unless she's a smoking hot MILF. And even then it's usually just a quick fling. (4) While older men can get sexual fulfillment and LTR a lot easier. (5) marsle, I know I've acted like a jerk to you, but I just want to say your posts are more insightful than any of the other female posters (even those older than you). Congratulations for actually dropping some knowledge. Maybe sara4sally or janie could get a few pointers on how to bring up valid arguments. QUOTE] 1. what are you talking about? why do you hate women so much?seriously? 2. a woman who sleeps around has acheived her goal: sex! if she wanted an LTR she would accept the offers for one. not all woman want an LTR. Jeez! 3. last time I looked this was the USA, and in this country older men are having a hard time keeping young women interested, and it is becoming much more acceptable for younger men to date older women. 4. that is if they can perform, and most older men are used by younger women. Like my doctor says: the only bulge a younger woman is interested in is the bulge in my wallet". Quote, end quote. 5. so anyone who submits an arguement you can't understand does not make valid points? and then you diss them to another poster? more misogyny on your part. You can approach 50,000 women and each one will see the misogyny loud and clear. And you will get nothing. check out cheap tickets, you can find a flight to Nevada fairly reasonable . . .
Twenty-ten Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 if I accept that the approacher meets more people, then he/she also has a higher failure rate than the non-approacher, which is what Sally is trying to say. The actual success you will have will be much smaller than the number of contacts. Approach all you want. The number of "live ones" you will actually get will not even come close to the number of successes a woman will have, because along with initiating contact comes built-in rejection, even if the rejection does not occur at the point of "sale" so to speak. The "approachee" is always in the position of power. You are having trouble with this concept apparently. Who cares if the approacher has more failures the point still is the odds are stacked in his favor for getting a good outcome, the more failures he has the closer he is to getting a success. The approachee is not in the position of power I can get hit on by 5 guys in one night and neither of them is what I want, how am I in power? My outcome is still failure.
janie423 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Who cares if the approacher has more failures the point still is the odds are stacked in his favor for getting a good outcome, the more failures he has the closer he is to getting a success. The approachee is not in the position of power I can get hit on by 5 guys in one night and neither of them is what I want, how am I in power? My outcome is still failure. by the same token, the 5 girls you hit on may not be what they want and the result is the same - failure. I don't want to be hit on by someone I don't want, but it happens all the time. The approacher is, in essence, begging, and that puts the approachee in the power position. Notice I did not assign a gender to the person who approaches.
Twenty-ten Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 by the same token, the 5 girls you hit on may not be what they want and the result is the same - failure. Yeah but he can ask 5 more, a woman typically just waits. If 5 is what she will get that night that is all the opportunities coming her way. A guy can keep going until he gets the result he wants. I don't want to be hit on by someone I don't want, but it happens all the time. The approacher is, in essence, begging, and that puts the approachee in the power position. Notice I did not assign a gender to the person who approaches. No one is begging for anything.. Gees with that attitude we might as well all crawl under a rock and never socialize again. Men approaching women works, far more than women approaching men. No one is begging for anything, it is a simple law of attraction being put into play. The odds are stacked heavily in favor of those men who take chances, and know how to read the signs women put out, and who go for it. It's how our ancestors did it before there were cellphones, the internet or any other form communication that in essence has built a barrier between men and women and creates confusion in how men and women should approach dating.
janie423 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Yeah but he can ask 5 more, a woman typically just waits. If 5 is what she will get that night that is all the opportunities coming her way. A guy can keep going until he gets the result he wants. No one is begging for anything.. Gees with that attitude we might as well all crawl under a rock and never socialize again. Men approaching women works, far more than women approaching men. No one is begging for anything, it is a simple law of attraction being put into play. The odds are stacked heavily in favor of those men who take chances, and know how to read the signs women put out, and who go for it. It's how our ancestors did it before there were cellphones, the internet or any other form communication that in essence has built a barrier between men and women and creates confusion in how men and women should approach dating. I have to agree with you when you put it like that . . . it is all about reading the woman, who is beckoning for your approach . . . some guys don't know how to do that . . . but if he approaches too many, he looks like the "guy who likes every girl" and that doesn't help him . . . but why would she only get 5 if men "keep going"? she will get as many approaches as there are guys approaching . . .
USMCHokie Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Alright...it's time for me to join in this ridiculousness... Who cares if the approacher has more failures the point still is the odds are stacked in his favor for getting a good outcome, the more failures he has the closer he is to getting a success. Basic statistics...assuming that successes and failures are mutually exclusive (meaning one has no bearing on the likelihood of the other occurring), then the odds of success are not affected by more failures... In actuality, the probability of success decreases with an increase of failures... The approachee is not in the position of power I can get hit on by 5 guys in one night and neither of them is what I want, how am I in power? My outcome is still failure. But the failure was a result of the control and power that you exercised. Approachee is ALWAYS in the position of power because you have the ability to say yes or no. Approacher can essentially only say no, by not approaching in the first place. You incorrectly associate failure with lack of power.
sally4sara Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I think it is odd to believe older women are doomed to a sexless existence. Going out with one of my female friends this coming weekend for her 40th bday. She left her marriage and almost immediately, was heavily pursued for a RELATIONSHIP by a 20 year old guy 3 years ago. SHE used him for sex. Next guy was 25. Then she had a 2 year relationship with a guy her age. she ended that fairly recently. She is on two online dating sites. I was over at her house one time when she was checking her massages - inbox full and the whole time she was signed in, all these guys (younger, her age, older) kept IMing her so heavily that the little windows started overlapping each other. It was a riot! And this is a woman with two kids in tow and my husband describes as "super cool but a bit horse-faced". It also seems to Nick that only guys approaching to be the ones who meet people. Even if the guy is the one doing the approach, the person being approached is meeting someone. If you believe men do the approach 10 fold in comparison, the mass of women they approach are meeting people. If you believe that women predominantly want a relationship while men predominantly want only sex, then the view of who has it better in dating is moot. A woman in a relationship will not NEED to be out meeting more people because she met HER goal already. While a guy who only looks for sex will have never really completed his goal because it requires him to continue to work at it. This is all about what you perceive to be better about meeting people. Nick's boast can only hope hold water if women everywhere start caring to compete in HIS goal. And I believe if they did, they would succeed at least as well as he would. So if you put 20 guys in a room with 20 women and the only the guys do the approach, you still have 20 people meeting 20 people. Even if one of those guys only approaches 4 women, there are still 19 other guys she can meet to his 4. That one guy can go get a bj in an alley from a hooker, but he still met less people and his odds go down in comparison. His only "bonus" is a lighter wallet and the need to go to the free clinic for an STD check.
Els Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 I think it's actually great you love being a man. I love being a woman. I don't think one is better than the other. It's all about being happy with the hand life granted you. So cheers to you for being happy! Quoted for truth. Decent looking women do get approached all the time and smart enough women know how to get a percentage of the men they're interested in to approach them. That's part of the fun of being a woman. But you know what, who cares who has it easier? Does your happiness as a man really depend on having it easier than women when it comes to dating? Dating's not a war: it's fun, it's playful, it's about getting to know other people and perhaps seeing them naked. Seconded. Geez. If you have to resort to THIS to make yourself feel happy about being a man, I frankly feel sorry for you. Both men and women have innate perks and disadvantages, and not only in the dating scene. Get used to it.
USMCHokie Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Here's a scenario: if no one ever said no to sex, and a woman always said yes to sex--even when approached by a strange man, men would always get more sex because we're the approachers. Like I said before, I go to a bar and approach 20 women, and my female friend is approached by 6 guys, I'll be successful with more women if they say yes, than the woman with 6 guys. Understand? Your assertion relies much too heavily on your assumption that women will always say yes to you. If you take the same scenario but remove that utterly ridiculous assumption, the woman has the ability to "control her destiny," as they say, and have a 100% success rate every night, whereas there will be some nights where you go home with nothing, even if you approach 100 times the number of women as she gets men. And here's the second part. I bolded the word "answer". You can only choose the men who approach you, even on dating sites. Being the approachee makes you only able to "answer". But since guys are approaching you, they are able to meet more women. I'm willing to bet all those dudes who sent you messages on POF sent out more than you received. Yes, indeed, but the choice for you ends when you decide who you're going to approach. After that, you have no power to choose at all.
Author St. Nick Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 (1) so the question is: if you are so successful why are you wasting time posting this nonsense? (2) I am going to simplify this for you. Let's say we have 100 men and 100 women in the total POF population. If all 100 men send out messages to all 100 women, than the following occurs: total messages sent = 10,000 total messages received = 10,000 total messages sent per man = 100 total messages received per woman = 100 1. Do you have a problem reading? How many times have I said I typed this for the men who are whining that dating sucks for them? 2. Yes, but since women are on the receiving end, their messages depend entirely on men approaching them. If there are 3 people on POF, 1 man and 2 women, and the 1 man approaches both women, he has 2 options of women, while each woman has 1 option. Geddit now? Well, duuuuh!!! Of course it is better for guys in this respect, which is why I will never understand the amount of whining that men do when it comes to their dating life. Get off your asses, stop your whimpering and get it done already! Thank you. This is what I've been trying to tell all these whiners. 1. what are you talking about? why do you hate women so much?seriously? 2. a woman who sleeps around has acheived her goal: sex! if she wanted an LTR she would accept the offers for one. not all woman want an LTR. Jeez! 3. last time I looked this was the USA, and in this country older men are having a hard time keeping young women interested, and it is becoming much more acceptable for younger men to date older women. 4. that is if they can perform, and most older men are used by younger women. Like my doctor says: the only bulge a younger woman is interested in is the bulge in my wallet". Quote, end quote. 5. so anyone who submits an arguement you can't understand does not make valid points? and then you diss them to another poster? more misogyny on your part. You can approach 50,000 women and each one will see the misogyny loud and clear. And you will get nothing. check out cheap tickets, you can find a flight to Nevada fairly reasonable . . . 1. I'm not trying to hate on women. I'm trying to help the whiny guys on this forum. My personal relationship with women is not the issue. You really need to stop worrying about me personally, and worry about the issue. If you keep on bringing up my personal relationship with women, rather than argue my posts then I'm going to ignore your posts. Seriously! You don't know me. You have no right to get personal. NONE! 2. I agree. 3. But the last time I checked, older men are not having a hard time finding younger women. In this thread, this 25 year old woman is married to a 59 year old man: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t185784/?highlight=pornography It's been common throughout the ages for older men to marry younger women. Yes, it's becoming more of a taboo, but it hasn't slowed down significantly. And besides, you're going along with the media's "cougar" hype. Some older women are blatantly getting sex younger men, but not as frequently and with as high numbers as the media wants you to think. Here's an article by associatedcontent that debunks the cougar bias. Scroll down and read quotes in the comments section and you'll read stuff like this: Hannah, since writing in August, this poster has also dated much YOUNGER women. Not in a relationship now. But what has been my observation is that there's way too much hype surrounding cougar relationships & they usu. are written by cougars with a pro-cougar bias. Most cougar sites don't discuss cases where men are in relationships with much older women, but the men are then found to be fooling around with a women their age or younger. It's possible that these men fool around with the younger women because the older women just don't give them satisfaction-if they still have a sex life. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/399152/5_good_reasons_why_older_women_shouldnt.html?cat=41 4. the only bulge a younger woman is interested in is the bulge in my wallet". Did you not read the part where I said older men have more money than younger men, and that's a factor which makes them more appealing to women, especially younger women? 5. Get off the subject of my character and stay on topic. If you keep taking personal shots you will be reported. [url=http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/399152/5_good_reasons_why_older_women_shouldnt.html?cat=41][/url] by the same token, the 5 girls you hit on may not be what they want and the result is the same - failure. I don't want to be hit on by someone I don't want, but it happens all the time. The approacher is, in essence, begging, and that puts the approachee in the power position. Notice I did not assign a gender to the person who approaches. So by approaching you and fulfilling my natural role is begging to you? And you, sitting around waiting to be approached, isn't begging? The person who sits around waiting for people to approach does not have power; it's the other way around. Here's a good example, you're a restaurant manager waiting for customers, you only have the option to serve and receive money from customers who offer business. On the other hand, the customer has the option of giving his business to EVERY restaurant. The customer has more options to be satisfied; the restaurant manager has only the options of the people who offer business. Thus, the position of power is in the one who approaches. Not the other way around. I don't get how you can argue against this logic?
Twenty-ten Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Basic statistics...assuming that successes and failures are mutually exclusive (meaning one has no bearing on the likelihood of the other occurring), then the odds of success are not affected by more failures... In actuality, the probability of success decreases with an increase of failures... They are not mutually exclusive and they DO have a bearing on one another. If you are failing you are doing which means you are also increasing your probability for succeeding. More so than you would if you were NOT doing. Tell your comment to to anyone who runs a successful business and see if they would agree with you. But the failure was a result of the control and power that you exercised. Approachee is ALWAYS in the position of power because you have the ability to say yes or no. Approacher can essentially only say no, by not approaching in the first place. You incorrectly associate failure with lack of power. Same control and power you exercise as a man when you choose to approach a woman. But rather than waiting for destiny to happen you are actually making it happen, even if takes a ton of failures to get there. The approachee waits for destiny to happen, while the approacher at least tries to make it happen. The woman is taking the passive role in the scenario of dating, that is not power, that is simple choice given the opportunities she is faced with but had no control over initially. If you are unemployed and wait for your contacts to offer you a job, which sure it happen as soon as they realize you are unemployed, do you think you have a better chance of finding work if you wait or post your resume online for all to see or if you are actively sending out 20 resumes a day to job postings and companies you you hear are hiring all around you? Even if those resumes you send out get a response once every 100 resumes you send out, who do you think has a better chance of finding a job?
USMCHokie Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 So by approaching you and fulfilling my natural role is begging to you? And you, sitting around waiting to be approached, isn't begging? The person who sits around waiting for people to approach does not have power; it's the other way around. Here's a good example, you're a restaurant manager waiting for customers, you only have the option to serve and receive money from customers who offer business. On the other hand, the customer has the option of giving his business to EVERY restaurant. The customer has more options to be satisfied; the restaurant manager has only the options of the people who offer business. Thus, the position of power is in the one who approaches. Not the other way around. I don't get how you can argue against this logic? Sorry...but you left out an important aspect of your example... Restaurants/businesses have the right to refuse the business of anyone...so for example, if you're not wearing shoes and a shirt, you're not eating anywhere, not matter how many restaurants you go to... And one key thing you're refusing to understand is that yes, you do have the power in choosing who you approach, but your power ends the instant you approach a woman...once you've approached, all the power essentially transfers to the approachee who now has the ability to choose...
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 marsle, I know I've acted like a jerk to you, but I just want to say your posts are more insightful than any of the other female posters (even those older than you). Congratulations for actually dropping some knowledge. Maybe sara4sally or janie could get a few pointers on how to bring up valid arguments. However! Your dude could have achieved his goal a lot easier than you could have achieved yours. Sex is a lot easier to get than a LTR. Thanks, much appreciated. On that note, i'm out. The posts are circling the same issues over and over, I'm losing interest. No one wins, we'll all be lonely for the rest of our lives.
marsle85 Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 marsle, I know I've acted like a jerk to you, but I just want to say your posts are more insightful than any of the other female posters (even those older than you). Congratulations for actually dropping some knowledge. Maybe sara4sally or janie could get a few pointers on how to bring up valid arguments. However! Your dude could have achieved his goal a lot easier than you could have achieved yours. Sex is a lot easier to get than a LTR. Thanks, much appreciated. On that note, i'm out. The posts are circling the same issues over and over, I'm losing interest. No one wins, we'll all be lonely for the rest of our lives.
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