Fact: Dating is better for men than for women!

[OpenGL]

You're so weird. I told no lies. You just lack reading comprehension.

If every guy is asking out 20 women a week, the women have the pick of the guys. THE women are the ones saying whatever to see who puts the most effort in with stack of numbers to fish through. I have taken applications as a manager. The most effort I have to do is cull the list down and interview. They jump through the hoops. Then I (not they) make the final decision. Why does it not surprise me to hear someone who claims to be in management confused about their job duties?

Your generalization that guys have more options through approaching is the lie. You got so amped up over 4 numbers that logical deduction fell out of your head. Your thread here isn't about trying to help other guys so much as it is about tooting your own horn - prematurely.

 

If a girl approaches guys and then asks them out based on mutual compatibility, or even just interacts with them and sending signals to prompt his action- she is going to have less opportunity to be out asking for dates because she will be more likely of finding a relationship and not need to hunt anymore. Yes I only asked out X number of guys. Now ask me how many of them I stayed in a LTR with.

A guy playing the numbers game based only on who accepts giving or getting a phone number will be at it longer because his focus isn't about getting a compatible relationship so much as it is about stroking his ego over how many times he gets or gives a phone number.

 

It is my belief that most dates come from mutual interest regardless of who approached who. Marsle85's thread supported this; you should go read it more closely. Most of the guys shared that the cold call is less fruitful than meeting through friends or time with a girl who seemed interested PROMPTING their action.

 

Sound to me that its the women doing the choosing. It sucks for you that it bothers you so so very much.

 

Good Post. +1 and basically what I wanted to convey in my first reply but I was too lazy. Glad you filled in for me.

[alphamale]

It's great to realize that dating is way better for men. I can't stop hugging myself. I LOVE MY GENDER! THANK GOD I WAS BORN A MAN (.......and I wasn't born in that other gender....ugh! (just joking))!!!

unfortunately in the end its the woman who chooses the man

[St. Nick]

You're so weird. I told no lies. You just lack reading comprehension.

If every guy is asking out 20 women a week, the women have the pick of the guys. THE women are the ones saying whatever to see who puts the most effort in with stack of numbers to fish through. I have taken applications as a manager. The most effort I have to do is cull the list down and interview. They jump through the hoops. Then I (not they) make the final decision. Why does it not surprise me to hear someone who claims to be in management confused about their job duties?

You did too lie. You were caught red-handed. You just wanna keep arguing to save face. I'm not going to go over your bogus employer analogy because it really does derail the topic.

 

 

Your generalization that guys have more options through approaching is the lie. You got so amped up over 4 numbers that logical deduction fell out of your head. Your thread here isn't about trying to help other guys so much as it is about tooting your own horn - prematurely.

I got amped up over my brother's message, not over the stupid numbers. I was trying to help the guys whining about date by showing them dating is better for men than women.

 

 

If a girl approaches guys and then asks them out based on mutual compatibility, or even just interacts with them and sending signals to prompt his action- she is going to have less opportunity to be out asking for dates because she will be more likely of finding a relationship and not need to hunt anymore. Yes I only asked out X number of guys. Now ask me how many of them I stayed in a LTR with.

A guy playing the numbers game based only on who accepts giving or getting a phone number will be at it longer because his focus isn't about getting a compatible relationship so much as it is about stroking his ego over how many times he gets or gives a phone number.

Did you read the part I wrote about how men most want sex from women, and women most want relationships? All the men who have ever banged you have achieved their goal (getting sex). You, on the other hand, have not achieved it as much. You're goal is a long-term, committed relationship. You can only get that with ONE GUY! A guy can get sex with multiple women, and thus, he achieves his goal out of the relationship easier and quicker than you achieve your goal. Do you understand now?

 

 

It is my belief that most dates come from mutual interest regardless of who approached who. Marsle85's thread supported this; you should go read it more closely. Most of the guys shared that the cold call is less fruitful than meeting through friends or time with a girl who seemed interested PROMPTING their action.

 

Sound to me that its the women doing the choosing. It sucks for you that it bothers you so so very much.

The only thread of marsle's I've read is the one where she blueballed the hospital worker. I doesn't sound like she achieved her goal out of the guy at all. So what does that prove. It only proves that I've argued successfully against your flawed arguments and attempts to derail this topic and you can't take it.

[St. Nick]

unfortunately in the end its the woman who chooses the man

A man's goal is sex; a woman's goal is a committed longterm relationship. A man can achieve his goal much easier than women can, even if he has to go to prostitution to get it.

 

Besides, it doesn't matter if women choose men. A man has more options than women because he approaches. A woman only can choose the men who approach her. And the approacher always meets more people than one waiting to be approached. Do you understand now?

[janie423]

A man's goal is sex; a woman's goal is a committed longterm relationship. A man can achieve his goal much easier than women can, even if he has to go to prostitution to get it.

 

Besides, it doesn't matter if women choose men. A man has more options than women because he approaches. A woman only can choose the men who approach her. And the approacher always meets more people than one waiting to be approached. Do you understand now?

 

if I accept that the approacher meets more people, then he/she also has a higher failure rate than the non-approacher, which is what Sally is trying to say. The actual success you will have will be much smaller than the number of contacts.

 

Approach all you want. The number of "live ones" you will actually get will not even come close to the number of successes a woman will have, because along with initiating contact comes built-in rejection, even if the rejection does not occur at the point of "sale" so to speak.

 

The "approachee" is always in the position of power. You are having trouble with this concept apparently.

[janie423]

 

Did you read the part I wrote about how men most want sex from women, and women most want relationships? (1) All the men who have ever banged you have achieved their goal (getting sex). You, on the other hand, have not achieved it as much. You're goal is a long-term, committed relationship. You can only get that with ONE GUY! A guy can get sex with multiple women, and thus, (2) he achieves his goal out of the relationship easier and quicker than you achieve your goal. Do you understand now?

 

 

 

no, you don't understand . . .

 

(1) hate women much?

 

(2) relationship? with multiple women? you are comparing this to a relationship? you are saying that "a guy can get sex with multiple women, and thus, he achieves his goal out of the relationship" . . . is this your definition of a relationship? is this planet earth?

 

and trust me, for the minority of women who do only want sex, they can get it a whole lot sooner than you can . . . and for a lot less money . . .

[OpenGL]

and trust me, for the minority of women who do only want sex, they can get it a whole lot sooner than you can . . . and for a lot less money . . .

A lot less money? They can make money.

[St. Nick]

if I accept that the approacher meets more people, then he/she also has a higher failure rate than the non-approacher, which is what Sally is trying to say. The actual success you will have will be much smaller than the number of contacts.

 

Approach all you want. The number of "live ones" you will actually get will not even come close to the number of successes a woman will have, because along with initiating contact comes built-in rejection, even if the rejection does not occur at the point of "sale" so to speak.

 

The "approachee" is always in the position of power. You are having trouble with this concept apparently.

*sigh*

 

Let me put this simply: if I walk into a bar with a female friend and I approach 20 women, and only 6 men approach her. 20 women have the option of choosing me while my female friend only has the option of choosing from 6 men. How are you going to argue against the math?

 

How can you argue that the approacher has less options than the approachee? Do you not understand math?

 

Even if a man meets a lot of fails, he will meet a lot of successes. Meeting people will increase his confidence. The more women a man meets, the more he understands them. And sooner or later he's gonna learn how to talk to them and decrease the failure rate. On the other hand, since women don't approach, they don't have as much confidence when it comes to pursuing as men; maybe that's why you're so concerned with the failure rate. You only meet a small selection of men. While men can meet every woman simply because he approaches.

 

Once again, how can you argue that the approacher has less options than the approachee? You're arguing that a person who waits for something than a proactive person who goes out and gets it. How is that logical?

[Woggle]

Getting laid is very easy for a man but something more is damn near impossible.

[sally4sara]

if I accept that the approacher meets more people, then he/she also has a higher failure rate than the non-approacher, which is what Sally is trying to say. The actual success you will have will be much smaller than the number of contacts.

 

Approach all you want. The number of "live ones" you will actually get will not even come close to the number of successes a woman will have, because along with initiating contact comes built-in rejection, even if the rejection does not occur at the point of "sale" so to speak.

 

The "approachee" is always in the position of power. You are having trouble with this concept apparently.

 

Aww janie, thanks for your support, but you're ruining the free entertainment St. nick is unintentionally providing! :lmao: There has been an empty slot in my line up ever since Burn Notice ended it's season.....

[D-Lish]

*sigh*

 

Let me put this simply: if I walk into a bar with a female friend and I approach 20 women, and only 6 men approach her. 20 women have the option of choosing me while my female friend only has the option of choosing from 6 men. How are you going to argue against the math?

 

 

According to your math, she has 100% chance of getting laid if she chooses to- how are your odds better than hers?

[St. Nick]

no, you don't understand . . .

 

(1) hate women much?

 

(2) relationship? with multiple women? you are comparing this to a relationship? you are saying that "a guy can get sex with multiple women, and thus, he achieves his goal out of the relationship" . . . is this your definition of a relationship? is this planet earth?

 

and trust me, for the minority of women who do only want sex, they can get it a whole lot sooner than you can . . . and for a lot less money . . .

Hey, guys view being a player as being in a relationship. Since that's what we think. We can achieve our goals more.

 

Ha! A woman can get sex sooner and cheaper than me, but for how long? If she sleeps around then her chances of getting into a LTR decrease because few men will get into a relationship with a loose woman (plus, she's too used to promiscuity to settle into a LTR). But a man can sleep around from youth to old age and his chances of meeting women do not decrease, they increase. Gonna argue against that?

 

And besides, the majority of women who only want sex are the desperate cougars in bars and on cougar cruises trying to get quick sex from young men. Many of them are not sexy. Those women really have to pay to get men to have sex with them. The older a woman gets, the more her options decrease, both for sex and LTR because her looks have faded. The older a man gets, the more his options increase since many women wanna get with a man who is mature, and because older men generally have more money than young men.

[marsle85]

The only thread of marsle's I've read is the one where she blueballed the hospital worker. I doesn't sound like she achieved her goal out of the guy at all. So what does that prove. It only proves that I've argued successfully against your flawed arguments and attempts to derail this topic and you can't take it.

 

Your theory is flawed. I didn't achieve my goal (LTR) but his blueballs indicate he didn't achieve his either (sex), so while it may be easier for a man to get in position to obtain their goal of sex, that does not determine success. Likewise, my positioning to achieve a LTR was not fruitful either, so it would appear the desires of men and women balance the wins/losses.

[sally4sara]

Hey, guys view being a player as being in a relationship. Since that's what we think. We can achieve our goals more.

 

Ha! A woman can get sex sooner and cheaper than me, but for how long? If she sleeps around then her chances of getting into a LTR decrease because few men will get into a relationship with a loose woman (plus, she's too used to promiscuity to settle into a LTR). But a man can sleep around from youth to old age and his chances of meeting women do not decrease, they increase. Gonna argue against that?

 

And besides, the majority of women who only want sex are the desperate cougars in bars and on cougar cruises trying to get quick sex from young men. Many of them are not sexy. Those women really have to pay to get men to have sex with them. The older a woman gets, the more her options decrease, both for sex and LTR because her looks have faded. The older a man gets, the more his options increase since many women wanna get with a man who is mature, and because older men generally have more money than young men.

 

Oh goodie! I didn't make popcorn for nothing after all!

 

Great stuff Nick! Keep it up!

[St. Nick]

According to your math, she has 100% chance of getting laid if she chooses to- how are your odds better than hers?

Good question. But here's the question to your question: is that a woman's goal from a man? If it is, why don't more women just go for that instead of LTR? The whole thing revolves around goals. Generally speaking, men want sex, women want LTR. A man can achieve his goal a lot easier than a woman can. My options of for getting sex not only apply to women I approach at a bar or club, they also include street prostitution, escort services, brothels, sex tourism, porn, etc. True, women use these things too, but in far fewer numbers and less frequently than men; especially since men have more money. I've contacted a woman on craigslist and she offered me an erotic massage for $80 on Friday. Even if none of the women who switched numbers with me chooses me, I can still achieve my goal quicker than they can.

 

Are you gonna disagree with me that most men want sex with women as their goal, and most women want LTR from men as their goal?

[St. Nick]

Your theory is flawed. I didn't achieve my goal (LTR) but his blueballs indicate he didn't achieve his either (sex), so while it may be easier for a man to get in position to obtain their goal of sex, that does not determine success. Likewise, my positioning to achieve a LTR was not fruitful either, so it would appear the desires of men and women balance the wins/losses.

The dude still could have called some hooker in Brooklyn or gotten an erotic massage off craigslist and achieved his goal a lot faster than you. How do you know he didn't call you back because he got a $70 blow from some skank near Madison Avenue? His goal would have been successful if that was the case. While you're still trying to achieve your goal.

[janie423]

*sigh*

 

Let me put this simply: if I walk into a bar with a female friend and I approach 20 women, and only 6 men approach her. 20 women have the option of choosing me while my female friend only has the option of choosing from 6 men. How are you going to argue against the math?

 

How can you argue that the approacher has less options than the approachee? Do you not understand math?

 

Even if a man meets a lot of fails, he will meet a lot of successes. Meeting people will increase his confidence. The more women a man meets, the more he understands them. And sooner or later he's gonna learn how to talk to them and decrease the failure rate. On the other hand, since women don't approach, they don't have as much confidence when it comes to pursuing as men; maybe that's why you're so concerned with the failure rate. You only meet a small selection of men. While men can meet every woman simply because he approaches.

 

Once again, how can you argue that the approacher has less options than the approachee? You're arguing that a person who waits for something than a proactive person who goes out and gets it. How is that logical?

 

 

 

okay, the six men who approached the women are interested, but of the 20 women you approached, you will be lucky if 2 are interested, even if they all gave you their number.

 

why is this you ask? a women is subtle with her "approach". If she wants a specific man, she solicits his approach, then he approaches if he is interested in her - and if he is not, she loses nothing. He is seduced into approaching. SO only the guys that are interested will approach her and so there is her higher success rate.

 

But when a man approaches women haphazardly, he will only be successful with the women who were attracted to him. The others will give him bogus numbers, take his number out of pity, etc. SO he will achieve the same success as the woman standing there soliciting men.

 

Now I do agree that approaching builds confidence so that could be helpful. But since women are being "approached" they build confidence as well (fending off men whose advances they dislike hahaha). I don't see how you can say women meet a small selection of men if they are constantly being approached!

[bac]

A man's goal is sex; a woman's goal is a committed longterm relationship. A man can achieve his goal much easier than women can, even if he has to go to prostitution to get it.

 

Besides, it doesn't matter if women choose men. A man has more options than women because he approaches. A woman only can choose the men who approach her. And the approacher always meets more people than one waiting to be approached. Do you understand now?

 

I totally agree with you. It is not about details/numbers that you have scored because the numbers do not matter.

I agree with your point that any man, even unattractive and short, has unlimited opportunities to get laid if he wants to and able to do that. All he has to do is to take initiative and be cooperative.

[Pink Cupcakes]

This has to be the most retarded post ever on this site. Congratulations.

[janie423]

Hey, guys view being a player as being in a relationship. Since that's what we think. We can achieve our goals more.

 

Ha! A woman can get sex sooner and cheaper than me, but for how long? If she sleeps around then her chances of getting into a LTR decrease because few men will get into a relationship with a loose woman (plus, she's too used to promiscuity to settle into a LTR). (1) But a man can sleep around from youth to old age and his chances of meeting women do not decrease, they increase. Gonna argue against that?

 

And besides, the majority of women who only want sex are the desperate cougars in bars and on cougar cruises trying to get quick sex from young men. Many of them are not sexy. Those women really have to pay to get men to have sex with them. The older a woman gets, the more her options decrease, both for sex and LTR because her looks have faded. (2)The older a man gets, the more his options increase since many women wanna get with a man who is mature, and because older men generally have more money than young men.

 

(1) nah, if he sleeps around he is branded a ho just like a woman.

 

(2) have you talked to older men lately? they can't get any, and have sexual disfunction issues, which is why older woman go for younger men.

[janie423]

Hey, guys view being a player as being in a relationship.

 

now you are talking stupid . . . you are making no sense. This discussion is ridiculous.

 

wear protection . . .

[janie423]

Aww janie, thanks for your support, but you're ruining the free entertainment St. nick is unintentionally providing! :lmao: There has been an empty slot in my line up ever since Burn Notice ended it's season.....

 

hahaha . . . I love Burn Notice . . . is he fine or what?

[marsle85]

The dude still could have called some hooker in Brooklyn or gotten an erotic massage off craigslist and achieved his goal a lot faster than you. How do you know he didn't call you back because he got a $70 blow from some skank near Madison Avenue? His goal would have been successful if that was the case. While you're still trying to achieve your goal.

 

No, no. His goal was to have sex with me... otherwise he would have dropped the $70 he did on one dinner, for a blowjob. Sex is easy to come by, LTR's are easy to come by. He could have effortlessly hired a hooker, I could have hooked a loser to date me long term. But you argued "DATING" (sex with the woman you're dating) is easier for men, not just sleazy sex... in which case, women STILL would have an advantage. And just as his goal (sex with me) was unsuccessful, my goal of LTR was unsuccessful. This certainly isn't about winning or losing, which is why i'm emphasizing his failures... Him spending over $200 on me, and NOT getting sex- is not as much of an investment as me enjoying the fruit of his labor, and not getting a LTR. We both received insufficent product, but his resources were expended significantly more than mine, while the same time on both of our parts was invested in the transaction.

[sally4sara]

hahaha . . . I love Burn Notice . . . is he fine or what?

 

Indeed, very fine! I bet he gets LTR all the time!

 

St. Nick, clearly you think you speak for all men. I'm surprised you have yet to get thrown a boot party with this.

Then again, you do a great job of helping all the women in the bar figure out which number they should call.

[D-Lish]

Good question. But here's the question to your question: is that a woman's goal from a man? If it is, why don't more women just go for that instead of LTR? The whole thing revolves around goals. Generally speaking, men want sex, women want LTR. A man can achieve his goal a lot easier than a woman can. My options of for getting sex not only apply to women I approach at a bar or club, they also include street prostitution, escort services, brothels, sex tourism, porn, etc. True, women use these things too, but in far fewer numbers and less frequently than men; especially since men have more money. I've contacted a woman on craigslist and she offered me an erotic massage for $80 on Friday. Even if none of the women who switched numbers with me chooses me, I can still achieve my goal quicker than they can.

 

Are you gonna disagree with me that most men want sex with women as their goal, and most women want LTR from men as their goal?

 

Hey SN, I don't mind the way you debate, so I'll bite!

 

I won't disagree that men have a short term goal of sex and many women want a LTR. But lots of women just want sex, and many men have a long term goal of finding a stable partner to have children with and to change their diapers when they get old:eek:.

 

Hey, as Marsale said- I could go to my POF account right now and answer some average joe or some guy 10 or 15 years older than me looking to settle down and enter into a relationship with him in 5 minutes. It comes down to settling for quality or not. In the same way you could hire a weathered prostitute or take home a fat girl to achieve your goal.

 

If quality isn't a priority- women and men are on an equal playing field.