Fact: Dating is better for men than for women!

[St. Nick]

All day long I've been hugging myself and doing cartwheels because being a man is the greatest thing ever!

 

Last night I went to a local bar with my bro, his ball and chain, and her best friend. I had been in a crappy mood all day. So my bro said, "Try to lighten up. Quit sulking. I don't want your downer mood ruining our fun". So I thought, "Okay. I'll lighten up. Who gives a crap? As soon as I get in this bar, I'm gonna flirt with every chick I see." And that's what I did. There were around 30 people in the bar, half of them female. Disregarding sexual attraction, I flirted with all the females in the bar. I talked to about 15 women. Out of that number I scored 4 numbers and gave my number to another 4 women. After we left the bar I learned my sister-in-law's friend only talked to 3 guys, and took down the number of only one. I smiled and said to my bro, "Looks like I came out on top". He smiled back at me and whispered some of the best advice a man can give another man about dating, "A man can meet every woman since he’s expected to approach. A woman only has the choice of the men who approach her.”

 

And just like that I felt better about dating. Since women wait to approach, they only have the option of the men who approach them. For many women, that number is significantly small. Even the hottest woman can only have a small number of men approaching her. But for the average guy, he has the choice of every woman he sees since being the approacher puts him at a significantly higher advantage, increases his options, and makes his probability of finding the woman he wants much better than a woman.

 

But wait there's more. Most people would agree that generally speaking, men are mainly looking for sex from women (at least that's what I want), and women are mainly looking for long-term, committed relationships. I believe more people would agree that sex is easier to get than long-term commitment. And since that's the case, men can have their desires fulfilled much easier than women. Even if a guy can't get a date, there are tons of options where he can get sex:

 

1. Pornography.

2. Street prostitution.

3. Brothels.

4. Sex tourism.

5. Mail order brides.

6. Dating sites.

7. Craigslist (and similar sites).

8. Escort services.

 

And so much more. Except for mail order brides, I'm thinking about trying all those things. After getting home from the bar, I decided to contact some chicks via craigslist and sites like it. This afternoon two of them contacted me back. One was a 35 year old Colombian woman in Chicago who offered me an "erotic massage", and another was one of my favorite pornstars Mylie Moore. I contacted Mylie via backpage.com cuz I'm going to be visiting the South this summer. Even though her page said $150 for half an hour of sex, she offered me $125 for half an hour. Sweet. All I have to buy one of her porn flicks along with it and it's a done deal.

 

I'm also thinking about going to some brothels, like Wild Horse Resort and Spa in Reno, NV, or Atlantis in Frankfurt, Germany. Hell, you only live once. I wanna see the inside of a brothel before I die.

 

In any case, any guy who whines and complains that dating sucks for men obviously hasn't researched his options. Dating is better for men because we approach, and we mainly want sex, and we're not too picky on the female. Dating is worse for women because they only have the choice of the men who approach, mainly want long-term commitment (and even then that's up to the man), and are endlessly picky about the men they date.

 

It's great to realize that dating is way better for men. I can't stop hugging myself. I LOVE MY GENDER! THANK GOD I WAS BORN A MAN (.......and I wasn't born in that other gender....ugh! (just joking))!!!

[SilentVoice]

I guess...

[OpenGL]

Heh, I really don't feel like going through all of this bit by bit with you but your entire promise is wrong and pretty much all of the conclusions you stated in your post is wrong. I'm sure someone will be pointing it out to you piece by piece fairly soon.

[Cracker Jack]

As tough as I've found dating to be, I'd never resort to anything in that list--no matter how desperate I feel.

 

But, I am glad that I was born a man. I won't even lie about that.

[Chicago_Guy]

Heh, I really don't feel like going through all of this bit by bit with you but your entire promise is wrong and pretty much all of the conclusions you stated in your post is wrong. I'm sure someone will be pointing it out to you piece by piece fairly soon.

 

I assume that the OP's post was a joke. I also think that unless the OP is ridiculously good-looking, it is very difficult to believe that in a bar with only 15 women he got 4 numbers.

[Green]

I assume that the OP's post was a joke. I also think that unless the OP is ridiculously good-looking, it is very difficult to believe that in a bar with only 15 women he got 4 numbers.

 

You seriously find it dificult to believe he got 4 numbers at a bar with only 15 women? I could go to a bar with 4 women and get all 4 numbers... because numbers in themselves don't mean much.

 

I do find his post rather silly, but as a man I agree with the general idea that taking an active role in romance is more fun then what some women have to go through.

[sally4sara]

The waiting game you think women HAVE to go through is not a have to thing.

It is a self-imposed thing and one I paid no attention to when I was single.

And since men are usually so easy, I always got who I wanted rather than suffer through with guys I felt only lukewarm about till one I liked came around.

 

I believe in working smart - not hard.

[tigressA]

The waiting game you think women HAVE to go through is not a have to thing.

It is a self-imposed thing and one I paid no attention to when I was single.

And since men are usually so easy, I always got who I wanted rather than suffer through with guys I felt only lukewarm about till one I liked came around.

 

I believe in working smart - not hard.

 

I second this. The bolded part of your post may be relevant for those passive women who refuse to approach men, but is total BS for those of us who like to take the initiative and approach men who interest/attract us.

[sally4sara]

Back in my hometown, they use to throw these single mixers only with a different angle. They were called "Man Markets" or "Woman Markets". Big surprise? The "Man Markets" were vastly more popular. Why would that be if women HAVE to wait for a guy to ask?"

 

Men would sign up and give their stats

name

age

preferences in music, movies, hobbies

occupation if they wanted to share that

 

The event coordinators would make many copies of a catalog of the men who signed up and give each guy a number reflective of only what order they signed up. Guy #1 was nothing more than the first guy to sign up and so on.

 

Women would line up around the event location and even down the block to get in. As each entered, they would be given a catalog. Inside were all the guys who signed up with their number pinned to their shirt.

 

Even women who typically do not make the approach got into the swing of things because the nature of the event gave them acceptance to do so. And any guy who isn't cool about women making the approach wouldn't be likely to sign up or participate.

 

This has led me to believe that most women who don't approach don't refrain from doing so because they have no interest. They just feel a lack of acceptance. And even the women who claim they won't do the approaching DO take action through body language projection or manufacturing a situation or reason that places them near the guy they want to up the odds that he will act.

[janie423]

 

I talked to about 15 women. Out of that number I scored 4 numbers and gave my number to another 4 women. After we left the bar I learned my sister-in-law's friend only talked to 3 guys, and took down the number of only one. I smiled and said to my bro, "Looks like I came out on top". He smiled back at me and whispered some of the best advice a man can give another man about dating, "A man can meet every woman since he’s expected to approach. A woman only has the choice of the men who approach her.”

 

And just like that I felt better about dating. Since women wait to approach, they only have the option of the men who approach them. For many women, that number is significantly small. Even the hottest woman can only have a small number of men approaching her. But for the average guy, he has the choice of every woman he sees since being the approacher puts him at a significantly higher advantage, increases his options, and makes his probability of finding the woman he wants much better than a woman.

 

 

 

You forgot one thing: the women whose numbers you acquired were approached by several other men as well, since as you say men approach, so you are only one of many men who has approached these receptive women who gave you their numbers. And of the women whom you gave your number to, how many of them will actually call you, when all they have to do is wait for the other men who approached to call them?

 

Also, where did you get the idea that women only have a few men approaching them? Decent looking women get approached all the time. All the time. You are competing with potential dozens of men for those 4 numbers you got.

 

Get in line.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Hugging yourself and doing cartwheels! Yeah! Way to celebrate your guy-hood!

[St. Nick]

The waiting game you think women HAVE to go through is not a have to thing.

It is a self-imposed thing and one I paid no attention to when I was single.

And since men are usually so easy, I always got who I wanted rather than suffer through with guys I felt only lukewarm about till one I liked came around.

 

I believe in working smart - not hard.

One thing I notice about your posts, sally4sara, is that you always--and I mean ALWAYS--try to make yourself out to be the exception to the rule. If a guy says most women like players, you say you're the exception. If a guy says most women like tall men, you say you're the exception. If a guy says most women wait to be approached, you say you're an exception. But this time I caught you in a flat out lie:

 

It would be interesting to see a thread on this subject only for women if only to see how lop-sided it might really be. But in consideration for it being less common that women approach and ask, it might not be as active a thread.

 

I can only say I've been turned down twice. One accepted initially, but we never went out due to his ex being a rival (no idea why she thought we were competing but she commonly targeted guys I had interest in ) and suddenly wanted him back after finding we'd made plans to go out.

The other went as far as two dates. We just had NO chemistry. I intended to do the slow fade; he felt the need to vocalize it.

I did not keep track of how many times I've asked a guy out. Best guess is more than 10, but less than 20. Some of those could be considered a mutual thing.

 

The average guy asks more than 20 women out in one week than the average woman asks men out in their lifetime. So you've asked out less than 20 men? Have an equal number of men asked you out? If yes, then it proves my point that women have a significantly smaller selection of men than men have selection of females. If no, then it means only a few men have asked you out. I wouldn't be surprised if the men you asked out, asked more women out than you asked out men. That's just the way it is.

 

And even if you were the exceptional woman who asks out dozens of men, the first part I bolded says you directly agree with my assessment that men have bigger options when it comes to women since we approach more, and women have fewer options since women approach less. So who cares about this little small town Man Market stuff you're talking about? You've already proven and agreed with everything I've said.

[sally4sara]

One thing I notice about your posts, sally4sara, is that you always--and I mean ALWAYS--try to make yourself out to be the exception to the rule.

 

Dear, there are no rules. Can't be an exception when there are no rules. Something can be less common and still happen. ;)Lots of folks out there similar to me getting unrecognized by folks who rely on limited experience and comfy generalizations.

 

But hey, thanks for recognizing I am exceptional!

[Kamille]

I think it's actually great you love being a man. I love being a woman. I don't think one is better than the other. It's all about being happy with the hand life granted you. So cheers to you for being happy!

 

Also, where did you get the idea that women only have a few men approaching them? Decent looking women get approached all the time. All the time. You are competing with potential dozens of men for those 4 numbers you got.

 

 

Quoted for truth. Decent looking women do get approached all the time and smart enough women know how to get a percentage of the men they're interested in to approach them. That's part of the fun of being a woman.

 

But you know what, who cares who has it easier? Does your happiness as a man really depend on having it easier than women when it comes to dating? Dating's not a war: it's fun, it's playful, it's about getting to know other people and perhaps seeing them naked.

[St. Nick]

You forgot one thing: the women whose numbers you acquired were approached by several other men as well, since as you say men approach, so you are only one of many men who has approached these receptive women who gave you their numbers. And of the women whom you gave your number to, how many of them will actually call you, when all they have to do is wait for the other men who approached to call them?

 

Also, where did you get the idea that women only have a few men approaching them? Decent looking women get approached all the time. All the time. You are competing with potential dozens of men for those 4 numbers you got.

 

Get in line.

The key word is "approached". These women get approached only by the men who walk up to them, since that's the way women date. Men can approach every woman. Being the approacher significantly increases the number of women a man meets, vs waiting to be approached, which significantly reduces the number of men women meet.

 

I'm not talking about just decent-looking women. I'm talking about every woman.

 

Not every woman gets approached. Of course, many average-looking chicks don't get approached.

 

And even if she is decent, many hot chicks get passed by guys. You've never heard that many men are intimidated by a hot chick? Many guys see a hot chick and think she gets approached all the time, so they don't approach her. Are you going to tell me you've never read or heard an attractive woman complaining that she's too attractive, which means many guys don't approach her because, like you, these guys assume that these hot women have many guys going after them and they'd have little to no chance, and so these guys pass them by? You never heard of that.

[sally4sara]

The average guy asks more than 20 women out in one week than the average woman asks men out in their lifetime. So you've asked out less than 20 men? Have an equal number of men asked you out? If yes, then it proves my point that women have a significantly smaller selection of men than men have selection of females. If no, then it means only a few men have asked you out. I wouldn't be surprised if the men you asked out, asked more women out than you asked out men. That's just the way it is.

 

And even if you were the exceptional woman who asks out dozens of men, the first part I bolded says you directly agree with my assessment that men have bigger options when it comes to women since we approach more, and women have fewer options since women approach less. So who cares about this little small town Man Market stuff you're talking about? You've already proven and agreed with everything I've said.

 

I'm not buying it that your average man asks out 20 women a week. Another generalization.

 

And if you see that men do more approaching - wouldn't that mean that its the women who have more options?

As with job hunting; you apply and apply and apply. You might not even get a call back - it is the employer with the options, not the job applicants.

[marsle85]

You still live your same daily life, regardless of this recent epiphany. I don't see how this "knowledge" has made your life any worse, or better. Nothing has changed, except maybe the inflation of your ego. I'm not trying to be snide, i'm curious- how is anything different?

 

Nevertheless, the stats are the same dependent on the wants of the individual at hand. For example, you've already stated the stats according to men looking for sex, and women looking for LTR.

 

Yet, women looking for sex have a greater probability to obtain that sex, than the population of men looking for sex... and most likely without the inconvenience of $125.

 

Similarly, men looking for a LTR face nearly the same complications as women looking for a LTR.

Edited May 19, 2010 by marsle85

[DadofTwoGirls]

I agree a woman looking for sex has a better shot of achieving her goal...I got 'conned' into going out Friday night with my friend (1st time since separation 2 mos. ago)...3 couples,me and one of their female friends celebrating her birthday..they had told her I was her birthday present:D..when we left we both got a present:) before the morning..just saying if it was a guy celebrating his birthday the female present would have probably cost them money..all it cost her was her 'new' high heels she bought for the evening.

[ADF]

Is this een a serious post? I doubt it. You lost me when you said there were about 30 people in the bar, half of them female. The male-to-female ratio in bars is NEER that een. Men always outnumber women by a wide margin.

[St. Nick]

I'm not buying it that your average man asks out 20 women a week. Another generalization.

 

And if you see that men do more approaching - wouldn't that mean that its the women who have more options?

As with job hunting; you apply and apply and apply. You might not even get a call back - it is the employer with the options, not the job applicants.

 

A generalization perhaps, but are you going to tell me that the average man doesn't ask out more than "more than 10 but less than 20" women in his lifetime?

 

No, it doesn't mean a woman have more options. Now you're the one making a generalization. You're employer scenario is false. Have you been a manager who has taken applications? I have. When people hand in applications we're supposed, and instructed specifically by the company to say, "We've been taking a ton of applications this week so you've got a lot of competition and blah, blah, blah". We say that not to get the applicants hopes up, to see who is the most persistent, and so they don't call us constantly expecting to be hired at every minute saying, "Well, I'm the only one who applied. How long does it take you to review my application?". I've been a hiring manager before. Even when we only get four applications we're supposed to lie to the applicant who asks for an interview and say, "We've had dozens of people applying. You may have to wait weeks for an interview. We'll call you if we're ready". We do that for the reasons I listed above. Most companies lie when they say they get a lot of applicants.

 

In any case, do you seriously want to argue against my claim that the approacher (the man) meets more women than the person being approached (the woman). Once again I'll tell you: you've already proven and agreed with my claim. The only reason why you want to argue is because you want to save face because I've shown you to be lying.

You still live your same daily life, regardless of this recent epiphany. I don't see how this "knowledge" has made your life any worse, or better. Nothing has changed, except maybe the inflation of your ego. I'm not trying to be snide, i'm curious- how is anything different?

 

Nevertheless, the stats are the same dependent on the wants of the individual at hand. For example, you've already stated the stats according to men looking for sex, and women looking for LTR.

 

Yet, women looking for sex have a greater probability to obtain that sex, than the population of men looking for sex... and most likely without the inconvenience of $125.

 

Similarly, men looking for a LTR face nearly the same complications as women looking for a LTR.

marsle, I made this post for the men complaining that dating is worse for them. I sorry I didn't say that before, but I'm saying it now: This post is for the men who think dating is worse for them to realize dating is actually much better for men than it is for women.

 

I underlined it to emphasize my point.

 

I'd wager to believe that only a small percentage of men are looking for long-term committed relationships. And I'd wager only a small percentage of women are looking for quick sex. And it might be true women have a greater probability to obtain sex than men, but, and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me, most women do not want quick in the same way guys do. Most women want LTR and most men want sex. Thus, men are going to obtain what they want more than women are.

[St. Nick]

Is this een a serious post? I doubt it. You lost me when you said there were about 30 people in the bar, half of them female. The male-to-female ratio in bars is NEER that een. Men always outnumber women by a wide margin.

Man, I was goddamm counting. I was too busy trying to get numbers to do math. Maybe that's why you have a hard time getting laid. You're too busy counting the ratio of males-to-females in bars to actually get sex.

[PJKino]

Not at all,a women can wait for the right guy to come along and give her his number while rejecting the others or giving a pity number then ingoring the guy.

 

A Man has to work up the courage to approach a stranger try to entertain the girl and hope she finds him attractive then hope u get the number then hope its the right number or that if it is she answers when u call her

 

Sounds like its allot easier being the women..

[sally4sara]

A generalization perhaps, but are you going to tell me that the average man doesn't ask out more than "more than 10 but less than 20" women in his lifetime?

 

No, it doesn't mean a woman have more options. Now you're the one making a generalization. You're employer scenario is false. Have you been a manager who has taken applications? I have. When people hand in applications we're supposed, and instructed specifically by the company to say, "We've been taking a ton of applications this week so you've got a lot of competition and blah, blah, blah". We say that not to get the applicants hopes up, to see who is the most persistent, and so they don't call us constantly expecting to be hired at every minute saying, "Well, I'm the only one who applied. How long does it take you to review my application?". I've been a hiring manager before. Even when we only get four applications we're supposed to lie to the applicant who asks for an interview and say, "We've had dozens of people applying. You may have to wait weeks for an interview. We'll call you if we're ready". We do that for the reasons I listed above. Most companies lie when they say they get a lot of applicants.

 

In any case, do you seriously want to argue against my claim that the approacher (the man) meets more women than the person being approached (the woman). Once again I'll tell you: you've already proven and agreed with my claim. The only reason why you want to argue is because you want to save face because I've shown you to be lying.

 

marsle, I made this post for the men complaining that dating is worse for them. I sorry I didn't say that before, but I'm saying it now: This post is for the men who think dating is worse for them to realize dating is actually much better for men than it is for women.

 

I underlined it to emphasize my point.

 

I'd wager to believe that only a small percentage of men are looking for long-term committed relationships. And I'd wager only a small percentage of women are looking for quick sex. And it might be true women have a greater probability to obtain sex than men, but, and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me, most women do not want quick in the same way guys do. Most women want LTR and most men want sex. Thus, men are going to obtain what they want more than women are.

 

You're so weird. I told no lies. You just lack reading comprehension.

If every guy is asking out 20 women a week, the women have the pick of the guys. THE women are the ones saying whatever to see who puts the most effort in with stack of numbers to fish through. I have taken applications as a manager. The most effort I have to do is cull the list down and interview. They jump through the hoops. Then I (not they) make the final decision. Why does it not surprise me to hear someone who claims to be in management confused about their job duties?

Your generalization that guys have more options through approaching is the lie. You got so amped up over 4 numbers that logical deduction fell out of your head. Your thread here isn't about trying to help other guys so much as it is about tooting your own horn - prematurely.

 

If a girl approaches guys and then asks them out based on mutual compatibility, or even just interacts with them and sending signals to prompt his action- she is going to have less opportunity to be out asking for dates because she will be more likely of finding a relationship and not need to hunt anymore. Yes I only asked out X number of guys. Now ask me how many of them I stayed in a LTR with.

A guy playing the numbers game based only on who accepts giving or getting a phone number will be at it longer because his focus isn't about getting a compatible relationship so much as it is about stroking his ego over how many times he gets or gives a phone number.

 

It is my belief that most dates come from mutual interest regardless of who approached who. Marsle85's thread supported this; you should go read it more closely. Most of the guys shared that the cold call is less fruitful than meeting through friends or time with a girl who seemed interested PROMPTING their action.

 

Sound to me that its the women doing the choosing. It sucks for you that it bothers you so so very much.

[janie423]

 

(1) I'd wager to believe that only a small percentage of men are looking for long-term committed relationships. And I'd wager only a small percentage of women are looking for quick sex. And it might be true women have a greater probability to obtain sex than men, but, and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me, most women do not want quick in the same way guys do. Most women want LTR and most men want sex. (2) Thus, men are going to obtain what they want more than women are.

 

 

(1) wrong - maybe all you want is sex, but most men eventually want a LTR. Not all men will take cheezy sex like you apparently will. YOU ARE GENERALIZING.

 

(2) given your premise that men will have sex with anyone, men will obtain what they want because their standards are lower (well, not all men, maybe just you). Take two women with equal disposable income, the woman who will take cheaply made clothes will get what she wants more than the women who wants Neiman Marcus. So yeah, if you are a person with low standards, it is easy to get what you want.

[janie423]

I assume that the OP's post was a joke. I also think that unless the OP is ridiculously good-looking, it is very difficult to believe that in a bar with only 15 women he got 4 numbers.

 

Yeah, I have to agree with this. The OP's post is bogus.