Woggle Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 The last thing a man wants to hear is that he is a nice guy. It conjurs up visions of a woman thinking you are some cute little pet instead of a hot man she desires. If a woman calls a man nice he pretty much figures it is over. It is also true that the worse you treat women the more they want you. I have seen men be the most vile pigs you can think of in a social setting and yet they still get all the action yet the shy guy who gets the nerve up to respectfully talk to a woman gets coldly shut down.
Art_Critic Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 dude you broke the cardinal rule: never hit on women who work for tips or are required to be nice to you due to their job Indeed.....
m12 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 The last thing a man wants to hear is that he is a nice guy. It conjurs up visions of a woman thinking you are some cute little pet instead of a hot man she desires. If a woman calls a man nice he pretty much figures it is over. I'd say the last thing he to hear is "not guy but". The word "but" whether said or implied means "goodbye".
Jersey Shortie Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 This may be the best post I've seen on LS in a while. I've always done well with women. I'm not the type, nor do I have the ability, to pick up a different woman every night in a bar. I just know that I'm a good guy, and people see that in me. Sure, I've had my share of rejection because I'm not the guy that you see from across the room, and say, "Wow, he's hot." What I am is a person that is comfortable in his own skin, I'm intelligent, I'm witty, and I do the right thing 99 percent of the time. To be honest, there isn't all that much different from me and the guys that complain on this message board about not being able to meet women. I mean, I'm short, I'm asian, and I don't make a ton of money. However, I also don't lay the blame for whatever problems I have with dating at the feet of the opposite sex. There are plenty of women that won't give me the time of day due to one of the reasons I've stated above, but I know that its their loss for not getting to know me better. No worries, if they are so shortsighted, then they probably aren't the type of woman I want to be dating anyway. Thank you Beerme. And your post is an excellent example of a healthy adult man. And the same thing is true for women. There are a number of men that haven't been interested in me or never called me back. And there are a number of men that have and that were interested. And some men I had to reject and other men rejected me. When a man rejects me, all it means is that we weren't meant to be.
Author mike1988 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Posted May 10, 2010 By the way, OP, you mentioned that the only women you can date are women 20 years older than you. I wonder if it's the same way for you as it is for me. For some reason older women love me. I don't think either of us are unattractive to girls our age, but for some reason I think I must be the ideal guy for a girl that's 15-20 years too old for me. I sometimes wonder if when I'm 40 all the women my age will love me, or if I'll only be attracting 60 year olds . . . or 80 year olds. Maybe they like you because they're at an age where they're more interested in marriage and settling down. I've heard that "nice guys" are more attractive to women with that mindset. I think the same alot, man. Sounds like you and I could be friends. Are you an American? The last thing a man wants to hear is that he is a nice guy. It conjurs up visions of a woman thinking you are some cute little pet instead of a hot man she desires. If a woman calls a man nice he pretty much figures it is over. It is also true that the worse you treat women the more they want you. I have seen men be the most vile pigs you can think of in a social setting and yet they still get all the action yet the shy guy who gets the nerve up to respectfully talk to a woman gets coldly shut down. Yep. That's why I always think as much as I love women and want a relationship...I think they have a few screws missing sometimes the way they can be attracted to someone who they know is a jerk and get off on it, then cry after their life gets screwed by their jerk. They make their bed, sleep in it.
skydiveaddict Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Yep. That's why I always think as much as I love women and want a relationship...I think they have a few screws missing sometimes the way they can be attracted to someone who they know is a jerk and get off on it, then cry after their life gets screwed by their jerk. They make their bed, sleep in it. True words my friend
CLC2008 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 I think the same alot, man. Sounds like you and I could be friends. Are you an American? Yep. That's why I always think as much as I love women and want a relationship...I think they have a few screws missing sometimes the way they can be attracted to someone who they know is a jerk and get off on it, then cry after their life gets screwed by their jerk. They make their bed, sleep in it. Well, seems like someone isn't really a nice guy after all. Woggle mentality.
sweetjasmine Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 So the solution is to keep going to bars and keep going after the people who like being treated like crap. And then complain that they don't respond when you don't treat them like crap. And then assume that every person on earth of the same gender wants to be treated like crap. Makes perfect sense, guys.
Author mike1988 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Posted May 10, 2010 So the solution is to keep going to bars and keep going after the people who like being treated like crap. And then complain that they don't respond when you don't treat them like crap. And then assume that every person on earth of the same gender wants to be treated like crap. Makes perfect sense, guys. Well come on folks! Help me out! If not bars, ect...where the hell do I meet women in person who want to date and have a relationship (yes, which includes intense bouts of performing the horizontal hokey pokey)?
Sith Apprentice Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Women with low self esteem need to be treated like crap to keep them interested. This is the "dark side" of the game as we in the pick up artist community call it.
Sith Apprentice Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Well come on folks! Help me out! If not bars, ect...where the hell do I meet women in person who want to date and have a relationship A relationship with a woman is never the answer. It is the last resort.
CLC2008 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Well come on folks! Help me out! If not bars, ect...where the hell do I meet women in person who want to date and have a relationship (yes, which includes intense bouts of performing the horizontal hokey pokey)? Well, according to 75% of the people here, they all say "don't be a nice guy". So, maybe you're better off listening to posters like Sith Apprentice. Whatever works for you and makes you happy.
sagetalk Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Fine. Same scenario: two hot women, one is quiet and reserved the other is outspoken, flirty, etc. Which one is the man naturally drawn too.. I'm going to go with both of them as well. Hot girls and men not talking to them is never gonna happen unless there are no single guys . If one girl is nice, the guy thinks "Wow, I get to have sex with a nice girl, awesome". If the other girl acts bad he will say, "Wow I get to have sex with a bad girl, awesome".
sweetjasmine Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Well come on folks! Help me out! If not bars, ect...where the hell do I meet women in person who want to date and have a relationship (yes, which includes intense bouts of performing the horizontal hokey pokey)? It might seem counter-intuitive, but a bar or club isn't a good place to meet someone if you want a relationship. Do you have any hobbies or interests? That's how I've met people. I focus on meeting new, interesting people, regardless of gender, who share my interests, and in the process, I've come across people to date. When I met my SO, neither of us was really looking to find a date. We happened to get along very well, and it kind of just went from there.
Author mike1988 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Posted May 10, 2010 Women with low self esteem need to be treated like crap to keep them interested. This is the "dark side" of the game as we in the pick up artist community call it. I feel really down. People think I'll be dating and happy and married and have a great life and a happy family someday. They see a "handsome" guy who is charismatic and outgoing and confident and should have "no problem" getting women. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs238.snc1/8534_276952065060_503070060_9147901_8162137_n.jpg I just feel so bad and hopeless it makes me get depressed, it really does.
CLC2008 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 I'm going to go with both of them as well. Hot girls and men not talking to them is never gonna happen unless there are no single guys . If one girl is nice, the guy thinks "Wow, I get to have sex with a nice girl, awesome". If the other girl acts bad he will say, "Wow I get to have sex with a bad girl, awesome". Gee, this doesn't really bode well for your gender, now does it....
tincanman99 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 I have to say I think there is way to much angst about this nice guy versus non nice guy, the alpha/beta crap and more. Here is the reality. Its the law of supply and demand in a nutshell. Women have something that men want so are highly desired. Because they are highly desired they can afford to be picky/choosy whatever you want to call. But there is NOTHING you can do to change to this. The only thing you can do is change yourself. I am a nice guy and I dont look at it as derogatory. I am what I am, thats it. If I like someone be it romantically or just as a friend I will do anything for you. Thats how I am. But that being said I wont let people walk all over me, use me or anything else. If I think thats whats going on, I am gone. Be confident in who you are. I remember something my Italian grandfather used to say "Be not envious of others because there will always be others greater than you and less than you". In a nutshell there will always be someone who is better looking, thinnner, more muscular, richer, smarter, whatever. WHO CARES. If these so-called Alphas get the women so be it. Most of these guys are looking for the quick sex and than are gone. Women realize quickly after a few times what these guys deal is. So they get the women - so what. Forget them and focus on yourself. Be the best you can be WHO YOU ARE. Dont worry about them. Have confidence in who you are and if others dont like - WHATEVER. I have been reading these so called PUA books lately and ultimately it comes down to a few basic things: 1. Have confidence in yourself and project that confidence. 2. Be the best you can be and move on from there. On a another note I keep seeing all these women saying they want a "real" man? What exactly does that mean. I dont understand the context and for that matter why are women defining what a "real man" is .
Woggle Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Well, seems like someone isn't really a nice guy after all. Woggle mentality. I am a genuinely nice guy but I call it like I see it. I have observed enough behavior to know that the biggest pigs do just great with women. I admit is not all women but a good portion are like this. If a nice guy wants to find a good woman he should get away from meat market enviroments though. The good hearted nerdy girl won't do to well in this world either so it is not one sided.
sagetalk Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 The good hearted nerdy girl won't do to well in this world either so it is not one sided. They are hot, but hard to find. Such a shame.
m12 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Thank you Beerme. And your post is an excellent example of a healthy adult man. And the same thing is true for women. There are a number of men that haven't been interested in me or never called me back. And there are a number of men that have and that were interested. And some men I had to reject and other men rejected me. When a man rejects me, all it means is that we weren't meant to be. You must take into account other factors. Some people are rjected 50% of the time. Others 80%. Others 99.9%. Those that get rejected many times in a row are going to have a touger time getting over them.
Author mike1988 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Posted May 10, 2010 One MAJOR thing I never mentioned about me. 1. After being sent back from the Military due to a birth heart defect (nothing deadly don't worry), I'm currently living off my Military pay but I don't have a job yet and I moved back in with my father. 2. I only have a temporary permit...I don't drive yet. Does this affect my chances at getting women?
skydiveaddict Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 One MAJOR thing I never mentioned about me. 1. After being sent back from the Military due to a birth heart defect (nothing deadly don't worry), I'm currently living off my Military pay but I don't have a job yet and I moved back in with my father. 2. I only have a temporary permit...I don't drive yet. Does this affect my chances at getting women? Just curious,how old are you man?
Author mike1988 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Posted May 10, 2010 Just curious,how old are you man? 21, 22 this Fall.
skydiveaddict Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 Yea I think getting the license is huge. Living at your dad's is no big deal but you do need to be able to drive
CLC2008 Posted May 10, 2010 Posted May 10, 2010 OP, I will say this in the nicest way possible: I think you're full of ****-ake mushrooms.
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