Why is there such a lack of education on how to pick up women?

[stillafool]

I have never had trouble attracting women and if I were single I could go out and get laid easily if I wanted to but my huge issue was finding a quality woman. Attracting a woman is quite easy but we need to teach men how to properly pick a woman who will be a good partner. Being pretty and having a nice smile is not proper criteria for a relationship and more men need to learn this and learn the red flags to look out for before they dive in too deep.

 

 

OpenGL you should listen to this!

[sally4sara]

I'm going to get to the bottom of this, figure out exactly what needs to be done to successfully pick up women.

 

Then I'm going to apply it and pick them ALL up for myself.

 

I always did enjoy pick up sticks. I figure it will be easier with women with the curves and limbs and whatnot.

[Kamille]

I'm going to get to the bottom of this, figure out exactly what needs to be done to successfully pick up women.

 

Then I'm going to apply it and pick them ALL up for myself.

 

I always did enjoy pick up sticks. I figure it will be easier with women with the curves and limbs and whatnot.

 

presses Irony button:

 

And remember, don't waste your time trying to get to know women on an individual basis. You will get friendzoned. All women are the same anyway. (Why waste your time trying to figure out if you're actually compatible?) Women always lie anyway and cannot be trusted. Men should never listen to women if they want to get laid. Women say they want healthy loving relationships with caring nice men, but really, they all go for jerks and ash-oles. Lament: why oh why can't I get a date? Well, obviously because all women love jerks and *******s even though they say they want to be treated with respect. All women are the same and none of them have healthy attitudes toward love and relationships. That is why men should never listen to women - else you'll end up in the friendzone for being too nice. So when trying to pick up a woman, never waste your time trying to get to know her as an individual and never let her know you for who you are.

 

Cycle of negatives self-destructive thoughts complete.

[Samari]

I have a general question on how our society is ran in regards to men and attracting women. I don't know of this is really unique to the US or if all cultures have this problem.

 

I think we can all agree on here that very few men naturally have the "skill", for lack of a better term, to pick up women. A natural ladies man if you will. I'm talking about the guys who were able to sweet talk women and have girlfriends/lady friends since middle school, despite what he looked like physically or his intelligence level. He just "had it" and attracting girls was never an issue.

 

With this said, there are still a number of men out there that do not have this skill but do not need the education on how to pick up men because they are in the upper percentile of attractiveness (maybe the top 20% or so). There are also maybe another 20% of men that are of average attractiveness but in the early years of their life (high school-college) hung out with people who had these skills so they just absorbed enough to have the skills to attract a moderate amount of women. Enough to the point to not really have any problems.

 

 

I'm going assume that most guys on this forum (including me) fall in with the rest of the men not described above. We don't have the natrual skills with women, we are of average physically attractiveness, and were never taught how to attract women. Thus we end up on this forum basically asking things we should of been taught in our adolescence.

 

 

So what is going wrong in our society? Whose responsibility is it to teach men how to attract women? Why is it that we teach or kids grammar, math, science, engineering, etc, but we don't teach them something as fundamental as attracting women? What kind of sense does that make? Why do we (women and society) blame men for not knowing how to pick up women when it is something that most men are never taught how to do? Is it expected that men learn this skill naturally, and if they don't it's their fault?

 

Is it just because parents these days have not really adapted to current times and they simply don't know that this skillset is virtually required for most men? There is really no argument for this since the pick up artist industry is a multimillion industry (which wouldn't exist, at least this large, without a serious demand for this skill).

 

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Because you can't get a degree with a skill in attracting women. It's not an academia. The closest thing would be a form of psychology, which you can get a degree in. Seeing as a part of attracting women has to do with charisma skills, personality traits, etc. psychology would be the closest thing that qualifies. And seeing as how psychology is a world wide form of education, you could say an aspect of that (attracting women) is taught.

 

But really, it's common sense when it comes to attracting women. It's nothing that needs to be "taught" in school.

 

True, but who actually reads the information? It's the single guys in their 20's or older who need it. Why do they need it? Because they never learned it when they were young.

 

I'm 28 years old I've been absolutely horrible at attracting women. The fact that I've never had a girlfriend pisses me off so much. I most certainly could have used some help when I was a teenager.

 

Some men, though not all, who struggle with women lash out. Anybody remember George Sodini?

 

So who's job is it to make sure that boys learn how to attract girls, so the boys can grow up to be happy and healthy men? I think that duty mainly belongs to the father. I am very angry that my father, whom I actually lived with, did not give me any assistance at all with girls. And now my 15 year old brother is getting the necessary help.

 

Way to go dad, all it took was one son attempting suicide (not me) and the other to be constantly depressed to realize that it's important to teach your children. BTW I love my father and we talk about this stuff, and I'm so jealous of my youngest brother who is going to have a good life.

 

That's not really an excuse. There are tons of people (myself included) who's father wasn't around the majority if their lives and attracting women wasn't really an issue. Really, it's just common sense. If you want to talk to others about it you can always try other relatives, guy friends, whatever. But don't blame all your troubles in that aspect on one person.

 

you just need to clearly not give a ****.

 

girls like this. you need to literally let them know you dont give a f*. when or if they reject you, turn it around on them.

 

if they give you dirty looks before you approach most guys would either continue and look scared (how i used to be) now i would say to them, why the screw face? and see what they have to say, if they try and palm you off then just laugh. there loss, move on!

 

dont let any girl or anyone put you down. why should they? what right do they have?

 

This. It pains me to see my fellow brothers allowing themselves to get stomped all over women. And when some guy uses the "out of my league" garbage, it makes me sick. When guys start to believe in that mantra, they are doomed. Dudes need to realize that not one person is above anyone else due to social reasons or physical appearance. If someone rejects you or doesn't seem interested, WHO GIVES A ****. There are plenty of fish in the sea, and there are always ones more beautiful and mature. And it's not like the people who don't give you the time of day are immune to the same circumstance happening to them.

 

Stuff like this, men have no idea.

 

Then there is also the problem of what actually attracts women and how much time the guy has to do something with her before she friendzones him. There are other aspects that some men just don't get.

 

Another thing that can be taught are basic grooming and style tips

 

I know there is a ton of information out there for these topics but most men don't turn to outside sources of information till they are in their early 20's. And by then it may be too late for some.

 

You mean you have no idea. Again, this is common sense. I never had anyone to help me, I just learned from simple observation and talking with my friends. If you really need some help to figure out simple interaction with women, look online, go to the library and rent some books, talk with people you know. Common sense. Don't blame society for your own struggles with women when plenty of other people who have had very little help in the same areas of life have used common sense to overcome similar issues.

Edited May 3, 2010 by Samari

[Popeye_Jones]

Well, maybe I'm just bad at it. Or lost my touch. I used to could meet women. Then, a horrible thing happened. I hit my 30's! Talk about getting a hell of a lot more difficult. The single women today laugh at me. Actually call me grandpa and imitate an old man on a walker. I'm 36, never married, no kids, decent job. I'm not repulsive, looks wise. I'm cute enough. I guess. But, I probably am just too damn old to be doing this, "hooking up" sh*t. All the women my age are long since taken. So, what am I left with? The latest generation of single women. Much younger than I. And what am I competing against? Younger, stronger, wealthier single guys. That part, I get.

 

But, I get offended by this "old man" crap that women say. When I was like 23-25, I dated a woman who was 10 years older than me. Nobody ever thought of her as "grandma". Or, does it just look silly when it's the other way around? Hell if I know. They better be careful with those "grandpa" jokes, as karma might get them one day.

[Rearden Metal]

Why do you care if a woman rejects you? Have you seen the kind of men that most women swoon over these days? Be glad you are not some steroid enhanced jerk.

 

The two are not mutually exclusive

[Pyro]

Picking up women is a work in progress, or you can call it trial and error. You throw yourself out there and you will get rejected numerous times and each time you look at what you did/how you acted and see what went wrong and work on it and change it up for next time and when you see positive results you will have your answer.

 

What some guys seem to ignore all the time is that women are not universal. They are different and what works for one woman may or may not work on another.

[Taramere]

I remember meeting a guy from this board, and we spent a good chunk of time talking about this stuff. He talked about another board that is specifically for men (a PUA board). I'd read it out of interest, and while we disagreed about some aspects of that board there was one thing we definitely agreed on. There's a mentality amongst a lot of guys who gravitate towards a board like that whereby they just don't like communicating with women. They'd prefer to communicate with other men, by and large - which is why they drift towards those Men Only message boards. Even online, dealing with women is too unpleasant for them to contemplate. Something to be discussed, in theory, with other men as opposed to done in practice. They've got this rabid fear of being "friendzoned", as though being on friendly terms with a woman he's not having sex with takes a man one step away from being gelded. In short, they haven't even mastered the basic skill of having friendly conversation with a woman...because that's beneath them. They want to bypass that and head straight for the business of walking into clubs and picking strange women up using all manner of convoluted "strategies".

 

Imagine the guy who likes women, who is liked by women and generally has no problem with the chat up discussing something like PUA with a woman. He's going to make sure it's a fun, entertaining conversation. He'll encourage the woman to express her views about it...and regardless of whether or not he thinks what she's saying is bs, he -knows that one of the easiest ways in the world to get someone interested in you is to show an interest in what they're saying. To respond enthusiastically. Keep them talking. That way the heat is on them, you can interject with the odd bit of mild teasing - just enough to give them athat mild frisson of embarrassment which feels more pleasant than unpleasant.

 

The terminally frustrated Nice Guy, weighed down by the chip on his shoulder, doesn't see any of that. He's going to resent and be offended by the notion of listening to a woman expressing her opinions in the same way that he resents and is offended by pretty much every interaction he has with women. With his perpetually negative outlook about every interaction he has with women, adopting the role of listener will leave him feeling gelded and oppressed. Treated as something less than a man. An emotional tampon! Because they're so endlessly negative about dealing with women - forever on the look-out for signs that they're being rejected, "friendzoned" etc, it's a task to deal with men like that. They're not one ounce of fun to spend time around. They're the guys who will always put the dampener on potentially interesting and fun conversations because they're so tunnel visioned about putting these "strategies" into play that they have no idea how to seize an opportunity to just have a good time and go with the flow of the evening as opposed to trying to control every aspect of it.

 

You learn how to talk to women by talking to us. And sometimes, believe it or not, by listening to us. I know it's a radical concept...

[Kamille]

I remember meeting a guy from this board, and we spent a good chunk of time talking about this stuff. He talked about another board that is specifically for men (a PUA board). I'd read it out of interest, and while we disagreed about some aspects of that board there was one thing we definitely agreed on. There's a mentality amongst a lot of guys who gravitate towards a board like that whereby they just don't like communicating with women. They'd prefer to communicate with other men, by and large - which is why they drift towards those Men Only message boards. Even online, dealing with women is too unpleasant for them to contemplate. Something to be discussed, in theory, with other men as opposed to done in practice. They've got this rabid fear of being "friendzoned", as though being on friendly terms with a woman he's not having sex with takes a man one step away from being gelded. In short, they haven't even mastered the basic skill of having friendly conversation with a woman...because that's beneath them. They want to bypass that and head straight for the business of walking into clubs and picking strange women up using all manner of convoluted "strategies".

 

Imagine the guy who likes women, who is liked by women and generally has no problem with the chat up discussing something like PUA with a woman. He's going to make sure it's a fun, entertaining conversation. He'll encourage the woman to express her views about it...and regardless of whether or not he thinks what she's saying is bs, he -knows that one of the easiest ways in the world to get someone interested in you is to show an interest in what they're saying. To respond enthusiastically. Keep them talking. That way the heat is on them, you can interject with the odd bit of mild teasing - just enough to give them athat mild frisson of embarrassment which feels more pleasant than unpleasant.

 

The terminally frustrated Nice Guy, weighed down by the chip on his shoulder, doesn't see any of that. He's going to resent and be offended by the notion of listening to a woman expressing her opinions in the same way that he resents and is offended by pretty much every interaction he has with women. With his perpetually negative outlook about every interaction he has with women, adopting the role of listener will leave him feeling gelded and oppressed. Treated as something less than a man. An emotional tampon! Because they're so endlessly negative about dealing with women - forever on the look-out for signs that they're being rejected, "friendzoned" etc, it's a task to deal with men like that. They're not one ounce of fun to spend time around. They're the guys who will always put the dampener on potentially interesting and fun conversations because they're so tunnel visioned about putting these "strategies" into play that they have no idea how to seize an opportunity to just have a good time and go with the flow of the evening as opposed to trying to control every aspect of it.

 

You learn how to talk to women by talking to us. And sometimes, believe it or not, by listening to us. I know it's a radical concept...

 

Much more eloquent than my ironic rant.

 

I think it's in this thread that I pointed out that when I look around in my environment, the major difference between the men who seem to have it easy and be "naturals" and have women throwing themselves at them and the men who struggle is this: the former tend to have friends who are women while the latter don't.

 

I think men who can be friends with women win out in many ways:

1) they are comfortable with women and usually know how to treat women as individuals and not as a herd.

 

2) Being friends with women increases your chances of meeting their friends. So there's no need to rely solely on cold approaching women in public.

 

so, men, feminize your networks.

[Taramere]

Much more eloquent than my ironic rant.

 

Eloquent is the new wordy!

 

I think it's in this thread that I pointed out that when I look around in my environment, the major difference between the men who seem to have it easy and be "naturals" and have women throwing themselves at them and the men who struggle is this: the former tend to have friends who are women while the latter don't.

 

Of course it is. I suspect Asperger's Syndrome is probably at the root of it, quite often. Not much to be done about that. I dated a guy who had Asperger's (well I think he did anyway) for a couple of months. On paper he was ideal, so I persevered....but I just constantly got that "something's horribly wrong" feeling. I can totally imagine him frequenting PUA sites and swapping manly advice.

 

Another time (I've mentioned this one on the board before) I was out with friends and we were approached by a group who were clearly on some PUA seminar. I actually quite liked the look of the one who was talking to me, so I started trying to have a normal conversation with him. You could see the concern in his eyes about being led off his pre-prepared PUA script - which he kept stolidly trying to return the conversation to.

 

1) they are comfortable with women and usually know how to treat women as individuals and not as a herd.

 

2) Being friends with women increases your chances of meeting their friends. So there's no need to rely solely on cold approaching women in public.

 

so, men, feminize your networks.

 

There's one small thing you've overlooked Kamille. If they follow your advice, they might get

 

The tide has turned against men, and it's just going to get worse. Statistics have shown that more and more women are taking to the streets late at night, stalking lone men with the aim of forming platonic friendships with them.

[Kamille]

 

 

There's one small thing you've overlooked Kamille. If they follow your advice, they might get

 

The tide has turned against men, and it's just going to get worse. Statistics have shown that more and more women are taking to the streets late at night, stalking lone men with the aim of forming platonic friendships with them.

 

Re: friendzone: don't be afraid of it, any woman who's your friend increases your chances of meeting more women by 3. But, guys, do know how to give women signs that you're interested in them early on. Avoiding the friendzone is as simple as that.

[sweetjasmine]

I remember meeting a guy from this board, and we spent a good chunk of time talking about this stuff. He talked about another board that is specifically for men (a PUA board). I'd read it out of interest, and while we disagreed about some aspects of that board there was one thing we definitely agreed on. There's a mentality amongst a lot of guys who gravitate towards a board like that whereby they just don't like communicating with women. They'd prefer to communicate with other men, by and large - which is why they drift towards those Men Only message boards. Even online, dealing with women is too unpleasant for them to contemplate. Something to be discussed, in theory, with other men as opposed to done in practice. They've got this rabid fear of being "friendzoned", as though being on friendly terms with a woman he's not having sex with takes a man one step away from being gelded. In short, they haven't even mastered the basic skill of having friendly conversation with a woman...because that's beneath them. They want to bypass that and head straight for the business of walking into clubs and picking strange women up using all manner of convoluted "strategies".

 

Imagine the guy who likes women, who is liked by women and generally has no problem with the chat up discussing something like PUA with a woman. He's going to make sure it's a fun, entertaining conversation. He'll encourage the woman to express her views about it...and regardless of whether or not he thinks what she's saying is bs, he -knows that one of the easiest ways in the world to get someone interested in you is to show an interest in what they're saying. To respond enthusiastically. Keep them talking. That way the heat is on them, you can interject with the odd bit of mild teasing - just enough to give them athat mild frisson of embarrassment which feels more pleasant than unpleasant.

 

The terminally frustrated Nice Guy, weighed down by the chip on his shoulder, doesn't see any of that. He's going to resent and be offended by the notion of listening to a woman expressing her opinions in the same way that he resents and is offended by pretty much every interaction he has with women. With his perpetually negative outlook about every interaction he has with women, adopting the role of listener will leave him feeling gelded and oppressed. Treated as something less than a man. An emotional tampon! Because they're so endlessly negative about dealing with women - forever on the look-out for signs that they're being rejected, "friendzoned" etc, it's a task to deal with men like that. They're not one ounce of fun to spend time around. They're the guys who will always put the dampener on potentially interesting and fun conversations because they're so tunnel visioned about putting these "strategies" into play that they have no idea how to seize an opportunity to just have a good time and go with the flow of the evening as opposed to trying to control every aspect of it.

 

You learn how to talk to women by talking to us. And sometimes, believe it or not, by listening to us. I know it's a radical concept...

 

Excellent, well-written post. You hit the nail on the head.

 

I know it sounds crazy - talking to women like they're people and not talking, walking vaginas you're trying to use...

[lino]

You either have it or you don't. No amount of education on this matter will do anything.

[espec10001]

 

Re: friendzone: don't be afraid of it, any woman who's your friend increases your chances of meeting more women by 3. But, guys, do know how to give women signs that you're interested in them early on. Avoiding the friendzone is as simple as that.

 

You are correct. Becoming friends with women is a GREAT way to meet more women. The disconnect and why this does not universally occur in reality is because we are a sex fueled society. Women are walking around half naked, television shows are full of almost naked women, pornography and degrading acts women perform and you expect men to want to be friends with you? You expect men to listen to what you have to say when you show skin?

 

American dating sucks because there is no mystery. Of course men want to see you naked, but you give it away too easily in the name of women's liberation. What motive does a guy have to get to know you as a friend if you're already half naked and he doesn't even know your name?

 

Man sees naked woman, man automatically thinks sex, he desires her body. Man sees beautiful woman who dresses modestly and with humility, this intrigues man and causes him to pursue. He isn't going to be focusing on your BODY because HE CAN'T SEE IT. He's more likely to like you as a PERSON not an object and friendship can blossom!

[sweetjasmine]

What motive does a guy have to get to know you as a friend if you're already half naked and he doesn't even know your name?

 

Who are you talking to?

 

It's a shame men are animals who can't control themselves when they see your bare arm and can only look at women as pieces of meat unless they're wrapped up in a tarp.

[espec10001]

Who are you talking to?

 

It's a shame men are animals who can't control themselves when they see your bare arm and can only look at women as pieces of meat unless they're wrapped up in a tarp.

 

You are right. Men are animals inside, and it is not a shame. If man was not a passionate beast then nothing would ever get done, including having sex. What a shame it is that man has let woman control him with false words, false appearances, and most importantly false intentions.

 

And why would I blame you? Women's looks is her power over men. Why wouldn't she exercise this new found power? Man has exercised his superior physical strength over women for quite a long time, and women don't get mad, they get even!

[sweetjasmine]

And why would I blame you?

 

Actually, you are blaming 'us'. You're saying the reason men won't treat women like human beings is because women walk around half naked, and if women were smart enough to wear burqas, they'd have men treating them respectfully. Because men are stupid animals who can't control themselves when they see the slightest bit of skin.

 

Sorry, not buying it at all.

[Jersey Shortie]

So what is going wrong in our society? Whose responsibility is it to teach men how to attract women? Why is it that we teach or kids grammar, math, science, engineering, etc, but we don't teach them something as fundamental as attracting women? What kind of sense does that make? Why do we (women and society) blame men for not knowing how to pick up women when it is something that most men are never taught how to do? Is it expected that men learn this skill naturally, and if they don't it's their fault?

 

I think your question alone, asking why we teach kids grammar and math but not how to attract women, says alot about what's wrong with society right there. It's the idea that the only thing good about women that men should seek out is the sexual needs they can provide someone. I'm not saying sex isn't important but too many men focus on what they can get from a woman sexually instead of what they can give or how to really appreciate women for their differences.

 

Why didn't you ask why we don't teach men how to respect women and teach women to respect men? Instead of just how to attract them. Those are completely different things and it seems like teaching respect of our genders would be much more benefical then just teaching someone how to attract another. If you teach both genders to truly respect and appreciate the other gender for more then the monetary items they can provide, I'd think that would compensate for alot.

 

And I don't *blame* men for not understanding women at all. But I do think too many men are worried about what I said before, what they can get. So they can come off in authentic and of course women aren't going to respond well to that.

[Kamille]

You are correct. Becoming friends with women is a GREAT way to meet more women. The disconnect and why this does not universally occur in reality is because we are a sex fueled society. Women are walking around half naked, television shows are full of almost naked women, pornography and degrading acts women perform and you expect men to want to be friends with you? You expect men to listen to what you have to say when you show skin?

 

American dating sucks because there is no mystery. Of course men want to see you naked, but you give it away too easily in the name of women's liberation. What motive does a guy have to get to know you as a friend if you're already half naked and he doesn't even know your name?

 

Man sees naked woman, man automatically thinks sex, he desires her body. Man sees beautiful woman who dresses modestly and with humility, this intrigues man and causes him to pursue. He isn't going to be focusing on your BODY because HE CAN'T SEE IT. He's more likely to like you as a PERSON not an object and friendship can blossom!

 

And yet, I have many male friends who can confirm that it is possible to control their sex-drives and be friends with women. Perhaps the main difference between them and the men you describe above is that the former usually always have girlfriends, therefore aren't as sexually frustrated as the latter and can therefore hold decent conversations, even with scantily clad women.

 

ps: I have never been objectified the way you describe above by neither my friends or my bfs. They all showed interest in wanting to know me for me, even when there was clear sexual chemestry between us. I think Sweet Jasmine has a point: your portrayal of men is insulting to men.

[espec10001]

Actually, you are blaming 'us'. You're saying the reason men won't treat women like human beings is because women walk around half naked, and if women were smart enough to wear burqas, they'd have men treating them respectfully. Because men are stupid animals who can't control themselves when they see the slightest bit of skin.

 

Sorry, not buying it at all.

 

Oh, resorting to name calling? "Stupid animals"? Men should have never given women ANYTHING, and what has been given to you can easily be taken away.

 

Look at a woman's arguement, it always falls down to name calling and them personally insulting you.

 

So start with it, call me names, tell me I'm this or that, come on, personally attack me with venomous words. Tell me I'm sexist, tell me that I'm a pig, a stupid loser with nothing better to do. Come on, I know that's the only thing you can come up with.

[sweetjasmine]

Oh, resorting to name calling? "Stupid animals"?

 

You're misunderstanding.

 

I'm saying you're portraying men as stupid animals. I think that they're definitely not and that they're perfectly capable of controlling themselves.

 

Men should have never given women ANYTHING, and what has been given to you can easily be taken away.

 

Wow, uh, what?

 

Look at a woman's arguement, it always falls down to name calling and them personally insulting you.

 

Oh give me a break. You're the one saying men can't control themselves. You're the one insulting men, but when I repeat what you said back at you, it's suddenly name-calling and a personal insult.

 

And, yes, you're being sexist. A "woman's argument"? Yes, it's my fault you totally misread my post because my feeble female brain is incapable of writing clearly. Thanks.

[espec10001]

And yet, I have many male friends who can confirm that it is possible to control their sex-drives and be friends with women. Perhaps the main difference between them and the men you describe above is that the former usually always have girlfriends, therefore aren't as sexually frustrated as the latter and can therefore hold decent conversations, even with scantily clad women.

 

ps: I have never been objectified the way you describe above by neither my friends or my bfs. They all showed interest in wanting to know me for me, even when there was clear sexual chemestry between us. I think Sweet Jasmine has a point: your portrayal of men is insulting to men.

 

Ahahahaha. So naive...men and women are similar in that what they say is not always what they mean. How can a woman possibly know that she has not been objectified? Can she read men's minds? Does woman have some innate power in understanding the nature of men and the fact that some men are different than others?

 

My portrayal of men is not a portrayal. Men are beasts because that is what they are. Otherwise if man did not fulfill this inner beast, his hunger for sex, his hunger for power, his hunger for food, for shelter, for so many things, then he would cease to be a man. Man can never be completely satisfied by a woman, because she is incomplete in herself. Once the man has had his fill of one woman, he desires another, and another, much like a meal or a good time.

 

And why should man be ashamed of this? Because a woman says so? Ha!

[sweetjasmine]

Men are beasts because that is what they are. Otherwise if man did not fulfill this inner beast, his hunger for sex, his hunger for power, his hunger for food, for shelter, for so many things, then he would cease to be a man. Man can never be completely satisfied by a woman, because she is incomplete in herself. Once the man has had his fill of one woman, he desires another, and another, much like a meal or a good time.

 

And why should man be ashamed of this? Because a woman says so? Ha!

 

Yet if women started dressing more modestly, that'd all change and you'd magically start respecting them and treating them like human beings instead of pieces of meat to be used and discarded? Instead of "incomplete" beings that need your dick inside them to be worth something?

 

Yeah, I'm convinced.

 

And don't assume every man thinks like you.

[Taramere]

Oh, resorting to name calling? "Stupid animals"? Men should have never given women ANYTHING, and what has been given to you can easily be taken away.

 

I know this is going to come as a shock, but having a dick doesn't mean you're a god who owns the world and allocates resources according to how benevolent you're feeling. Like everyone else, male or female, if you want something you generally have to earn it. What SweetJasmine and any other woman posting on this board has, the chances are she earned through her own hard work, rather than having it gifted to her.

 

Look at a woman's arguement, it always falls down to name calling and them personally insulting you.

 

Is it a frequent event, women ridiculing and insulting you?

 

So start with it, call me names, tell me I'm this or that, come on, personally attack me with venomous words. Tell me I'm sexist, tell me that I'm a pig, a stupid loser with nothing better to do.

 

I suppose the ladies could club together and buy you a pretty outfit in pastel shades. Then we could force you to recite nursery rhymes and mock you while you're doing it. Or kit you out in an adult sized romper suit and play Strict Babysitter. Is that what you're working up to asking for?

[Kamille]

Ahahahaha. So naive...men and women are similar in that what they say is not always what they mean. How can a woman possibly know that she has not been objectified? Can she read men's minds? Does woman have some innate power in understanding the nature of men and the fact that some men are different than others?

 

My portrayal of men is not a portrayal. Men are beasts because that is what they are. Otherwise if man did not fulfill this inner beast, his hunger for sex, his hunger for power, his hunger for food, for shelter, for so many things, then he would cease to be a man. Man can never be completely satisfied by a woman, because she is incomplete in herself. Once the man has had his fill of one woman, he desires another, and another, much like a meal or a good time.

 

And why should man be ashamed of this? Because a woman says so? Ha!

 

Notice I didn't say they were never sexually attracted to me. But they're my friends because they interact with me as more than a piece of meat. Ps: all of them are also in happy relationships. I'm the one who ended up in the "friendzone" a couple of times.

 

 

 

I still stand for my points: men who have women as friends in their social networks tend to be more comfortable around women and also tend to have better opportunities to meet more women.

 

 

May you be happy espec, I have nothing against you. But I do hold your views to be your own and fail to see what qualifies you to be the voice of "all men".