Author MrNate Posted April 8, 2010 Author Posted April 8, 2010 Does empowerment always have to be a form of leveraging off the opposite gender? Who said it had to be? Why can't empowerment be seen as 'increasing awareness'? Why assume things?
threebyfate Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Who said it had to be? Why can't empowerment be seen as 'increasing awareness'? Why assume things?I agree that it's good to increase awareness. IMO, mass assumptions and generalizations about the opposite gender don't increase awareness, they solely feed the drama and distrust for the outliers, which doesn't help their already defeatist and negative attitudes.
Author MrNate Posted April 8, 2010 Author Posted April 8, 2010 I agree that it's good to increase awareness. IMO, mass assumptions and generalizations about the opposite gender don't increase awareness, they solely feed the drama and distrust for the outliers, which doesn't help their already defeatist and negative attitudes. Of course mass assumptions don't. Which is why I expect women to stand up for themselves when insulted. I just started this thread to discuss the many issues men face, that a lot of times, go unnoticed. And possibly, upon discussing this issue to an extend, eliminating several perceptions some men may have about women.
phineas Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 First, I don't buy the whole "Women date jerks" thing, hence the problem I have with the whole analogy and claiming that "jerks think of those women as cum dumpsters and dispensers", certainly not the nice guys. And the phrase was ambiguous. I asked AD if he that is how he felt so he could clarify. He chose, instead, to try and insult me in various ways. Refer a few post up and you will all see that I accepted his defense that he obviously meant that the jerks think of women that way, not himself. I assume this means he never thinks of women as cum dispensers. Let's agree to disagree folks and let's all get back to the male empowerment. Seriously, I think empowerment is a great idea. I don't think there's a need to belittle women in the process. Proceed. I can live with that. Looks like I have been invited to a social event for next week. I have the option then of finding wall & holding it up while I drink beer. Finding the group of socially awkward men & standing in a circle while I drink beer. Or mingleing & actually talking to women. ooooo very scary. Actually, the sad thing is I've recently decided is pointless at this stage in the game. I'm probably still a month or two away from final divorce & "hey baby, i'm almost divorced" just is not that good a pick-up line. But, i'm truely happy being single. sex once in a while would be nice but I get by. I think men need to realize there is more in life than women. Yeah it's hard to do that when you see guys all the time with women. But honestly I enjoy nothing more than sitting on my back porch drinking a beer & smoking a cigar enjoying the night air. alone. I really think my attitude is why I have a lot more women than ever before approaching me & wanting to get to know me. the thing is, I think my obvious "want" for a woman instead of other mens "need" for a woman sends out a player vibe because shortly after my seperation the less I wanted to do with women the more they wouldn't leave me alone.
Kamille Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Why does every thread turn into a gender war? I think AD and I just proved some gender battles can turn into reconciliations!
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 (edited) I think AD and I just proved some gender battles can turn into reconciliations! Lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya:p This feels like a rocky 4 movie.. if i can change and she can change we all can change!! Edited April 9, 2010 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
threebyfate Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Of course mass assumptions don't. Which is why I expect women to stand up for themselves when insulted. I just started this thread to discuss the many issues men face, that a lot of times, go unnoticed. And possibly, upon discussing this issue to an extend, eliminating several perceptions some men may have about women.Well, for one, the misperception described in your opening post. While I can't stand the term "nice guy", there are awesome men who are also men with many options. There are also plenty of jerks who have zero options, due to their jerk-side. As well, what I have noticed on LS, is that many of the jerks pose as "nice guys".
Author MrNate Posted April 8, 2010 Author Posted April 8, 2010 Well, for one, the misperception described in your opening post. While I can't stand the term "nice guy", there are awesome men who are also men with many options. There are also plenty of jerks who have zero options, due to their jerk-side. As well, what I have noticed on LS, is that many of the jerks pose as "nice guys". eesh. Well I can see how that could have been taken the wrwong way. But it was not meant to insult women; more along the lines of simply talking about issues men face. It just sucks that all the threads on this site turn into gender wars. Bf I could edit the original post, and make a little note, I gladly would. I think guys who are awesome all around, will always have more options than any guy or jerk ever will. And yes, I've said it before, I too hate the term 'nice guy'. It's annoying in my opinion.
Jersey Shortie Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 AD1980: Well im sure JS will tell you thats because of Men and the media or porn or something As the man that used the words "cum dispenser" to describe women, your point here makes me laugh. Infact, yuo prove my point a bout porn and poor male attitudes toward the very thing they clearly need love and respect from. Thats how id feel..Ive never had sucess with women if all of a sudden some women does show interest im gonna think shes just looking for that nice guy after every jerk used her as a cum dispenser through the years and im just there for emotional support as she has begruding sex with me once in awhile.. Stop the drama queen bs anyone with half a brain knows there was no malice in the words i was using it for emphasis.. Please. No one utters the phrase "cum dispenser" or "cum dumpster" because they respect women. You can tell whatever lies to yourself that help you sleep at night but this is all any woman of the board needs to know about your opinion on women. You do not endear women to hear yuo out by calling them such names. And the only reason you used such names was to be completely malicious and clearly for emphasis. Please don't try to ply yourself off any other way. You want emphasis? Find other ways to do it. I am disgusted by your post and any man here that also use the term "cum dumpster" and didn't feel outrage at another man to use. What to know why women don't respect you AD? I can tell you why right here.
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 As the man that used the words "cum dispenser" to describe women, your point here makes me laugh. Infact, yuo prove my point a bout porn and poor male attitudes toward the very thing they clearly need love and respect from. Please. No one utters the phrase "cum dispenser" or "cum dumpster" because they respect women. You can tell whatever lies to yourself that help you sleep at night but this is all any woman of the board needs to know about your opinion on women. You do not endear women to hear yuo out by calling them such names. And the only reason you used such names was to be completely malicious and clearly for emphasis. Please don't try to ply yourself off any other way. You want emphasis? Find other ways to do it. I am disgusted by your post and any man here that also use the term "cum dumpster" and didn't feel outrage at another man to use. What to know why women don't respect you AD? I can tell you why right here. *Breaks out violin* You're a broken record
threebyfate Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 eesh. Well I can see how that could have been taken the wrwong way. But it was not meant to insult women; more along the lines of simply talking about issues men face. It just sucks that all the threads on this site turn into gender wars. Bf I could edit the original post, and make a little note, I gladly would. I think guys who are awesome all around, will always have more options than any guy or jerk ever will. And yes, I've said it before, I too hate the term 'nice guy'. It's annoying in my opinion.Then we're in total agreement. I think it's a good thing that men evaluate their prospective partners on more than just looks. If anything, I think this should be a need for all men who are looking for relationships. Where this can and does fall down, is to look for more, including the superficial, than the man can bring to the table. In other words, holding a prospective partner to a higher bar than one holds themselves. These comments can easily be applied with the genders reversed.
Jersey Shortie Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 *Breaks out violin* You're a broken record And you will remain lonely for a very long time I think. But I do not have any violins I wish to play for you for it.
Author MrNate Posted April 8, 2010 Author Posted April 8, 2010 *Breaks out violin* You're a broken record Just curious AD1980, how do you view women? Because it seems you're incurring a lot of wrath. Maybe you're being mistaken somewhere?
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 And you will remain lonely for a very long time I think. But I do not have any violins I wish to play for you for it. So will you..No man could possibly put up with you..Some commercial comes on and you'd go off on a rant in front of him about how it objectifies women and how all men want that women in the commercial over them.. Or if porn is brought up youll tell him how its the reason why everyhting is bad in the world and blame it for womens insecurity to the middle east problems and hed run for the hills realizing you're a maniac.. lol at me being a misognystic..You hate Men..
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Just curious AD1980, how do you view women? Because it seems you're incurring a lot of wrath. Maybe you're being mistaken somewhere? JS is the only wrath im getting and she hates Men so its not a shock..The other Lady i argued with we misunderstood each others point and made up.. How do i view women? I view them like Men, on a case by case basis.. I dont think their all bad or good..Like most humans of either gender somewhere in between.. You have good ones and bad ones..
Woggle Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Those aren't women who like nice guys. Those are women who like any guy who can boost their egos. Whoever is in a relationship with one of those types and gets left is much better off. Where are these women you speak of that actually lik good guys?
Jersey Shortie Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 lol at me being a misognystic..You hate Men.. And yet, you're the one that called women "cum despensers". That's all I need to know.
Woggle Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 And yet, you're the one that called women "cum despensers". That's all I need to know. He was making a point. That is how the players women find irresistable view women. Simply stating that does not mean that he hates women.
TheBigQuestion Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I can sympathize with AD1980s view on women, i.e. a case by case basis. Women (or men for that matter) do not earn my respect simply by being alive and breathing. If a woman proves to me that the primary, over-arching characteristic of her life is being a cum-dumpster, then she will be referred to in such a manner. It's really just an extension of my personal philosophical beliefs. I don't believe anything has any inherent value, value is merely assigned by observers.
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 And yet, you're the one that called women "cum despensers". That's all I need to know. They were used in that way by players..The idea that i hate women becasue of a term is hillarious but you're agendas always been clear..To tell us how evil all Men are.. Ask any women who knows me what type of guy they think iam..You think i care what some maniac like you thinks of me?
tincanman99 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 And yet, you're the one that called women "cum despensers". That's all I need to know. I have to agree with Jersey Shortie and I am a guy. Its very offensive. Whats with all the woman hatred? Frankly I dont get it. Some root cause analysis might be order. If a given situation happens over and over and the only commonality is X than there is reason to believe that X is the reason the situation happens over and over.
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I can sympathize with AD1980s view on women, i.e. a case by case basis. Women (or men for that matter) do not earn my respect simply by being alive and breathing. If a woman proves to me that the primary, over-arching characteristic of her life is being a cum-dumpster, then she will be referred to in such a manner. It's really just an extension of my personal philosophical beliefs. I don't believe anything has any inherent value, value is merely assigned by observers. Thank you...Every human being deserves to be treated the way they treat others.. Nobody deserves respect or special treatement because of their gender..
tincanman99 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I can sympathize with AD1980s view on women, i.e. a case by case basis. Women (or men for that matter) do not earn my respect simply by being alive and breathing. If a woman proves to me that the primary, over-arching characteristic of her life is being a cum-dumpster, then she will be referred to in such a manner. It's really just an extension of my personal philosophical beliefs. I don't believe anything has any inherent value, value is merely assigned by observers. The value of something is determined by what people are willing to give/do/pay to get it. Thats all. As for labeling people and determining their value that is beyond most of us. Its up to you to decide whether you want to accept their valuation or not.
Woggle Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Prime example of what happens when a woman gets with a nice guy? http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t227560/
AD1980 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 I have to agree with Jersey Shortie and I am a guy. Its very offensive. Whats with all the woman hatred? Frankly I dont get it. Some root cause analysis might be order. If a given situation happens over and over and the only commonality is X than there is reason to believe that X is the reason the situation happens over and over. WHy is it women hatred? The word might be graphic but was used to describe how a women is used by certain dirtbag Men.. People get to offended these days by words when its basically semantics because it was just used to emphasis a point to describe stupid MEN..
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