blind_otter Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 All of this means nothing when you look at hard facts. The average fertility rate in Europe is something like 1.5 children per woman (and North America is not far behind). If the entire world became like Europe, the entire human race would inevitably die out. You simply cannot f*ck with nature. No, the entire world is not like Europe. Instead my exMIL is traveling to Africa for a month to repair fistulas in women who have been brutally raped, some to the point where they can no longer walk. Yeah. That's AWESOME!!!! Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the population density across the developed nations is such that a low birthrate is actually favorable for preservation of resources. In fact we'd do well to control birthrates in third world countries as well.
A O Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 If we could mold nature, we wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of people dying as a consequence of earthquakes, tsunamis and other natural disasters...nor would we have to spend $50 to fill up a car. We can mold nature think low-lying to below sea-level habitations for starters. But nature to me also means the environment we live in or create for ourselves, and where once upon a time, the environment we lived in deemed it necessary for men to do specific types of work, now days, now we live in an environment where almost anyone can do almost anything. And the upshot of all this is a change in mentality by many, if not most, women. Now that's a change that men have to, and will, adjust to, just like that there are a few changes borne from being able to provide for themselves that women are going to have to adjust to also. Point is, a lot of the behaviors that people tend to think is inherently natural within us had more to do with the environments we once lived in moreso than what biology predetermined for us. No one in their right mind says to themselves "Mmm tasty, he's poked 600 women" Viewed in this sense, understandable. But there are those who see it as a sign of high social value or as mentioned earlier, a challenge to be tamed/leashed. by the way A O, you are making me thirsty. I could go for a chilled glass of my fave Sauvignon Blanc from Marlborough, yum! I'm not particularly partial to the stuff myself, but the vineyard is beautiful and the location - sublime! .
Engadget Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 No, the entire world is not like Europe. Instead my exMIL is traveling to Africa for a month to repair fistulas in women who have been brutally raped, some to the point where they can no longer walk. Yeah. That's AWESOME!!!! Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the population density across the developed nations is such that a low birthrate is actually favorable for preservation of resources. In fact we'd do well to control birthrates in third world countries as well. Some people want to control birthrates with nefarious acts.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Women say they don't like players but I know what I see in my circle.
Author Johnny M Posted March 31, 2010 Author Posted March 31, 2010 No, the entire world is not like Europe. Instead my exMIL is traveling to Africa for a month to repair fistulas in women who have been brutally raped, some to the point where they can no longer walk. Yeah. That's AWESOME!!!! WTF does that have to do with anything that I said?? You are making it sound like I'm condoning rape Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the population density across the developed nations is such that a low birthrate is actually favorable for preservation of resources. In fact we'd do well to control birthrates in third world countries as well. Hate to burst you bubble, but it doesn't work that way. When you combine low birth rates with high life expectancy, you've got a problem. All those aging Europeans need someone to replace them in the labor force in order to keep society from collapsing (who do you think is going to pay for their medical care and living expenses when they are too old to work?) If Europe could simply reduce it's population without any negative consequences, it wouldn't be accepting tens of millions of third world immigrants.
AD1980 Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Women say they don't like players but I know what I see in my circle. Good looking guys get thye most women and "most" players are at least decent looking guys not all but most..SO i dont know if theyres always a correlation that women like players as much as they like good lookign guys who just happen to be players.. Just like allot of women dont want a bad boy per se but if the guys good looking enough theyll put up with his **** so then guys will say women only like bad boys when they just like attractive guys.. Though i do agree that a players social staus measn allot to a women and a player is high up on that value chart..My friend whos the "alpha'[hate the labels] of the group and basically makes the plans allot of us met each other through him etc... he had the most women by far in our group is now getting married.. Its known hes cheated and probably will agian but the women in our circle love him and are attracted to him even the married ones.. Not that theyd do anyhting with him but they dont look down up his exploits.. His being the leader of the group so to speak and socials status is more improtant to these women then the fact that hes a bit of a dirtbag with women.. Edited March 31, 2010 by AD1980
Author Johnny M Posted March 31, 2010 Author Posted March 31, 2010 But nature to me also means the environment we live in or create for ourselves, and where once upon a time, the environment we lived in deemed it necessary for men to do specific types of work, now days, now we live in an environment where almost anyone can do almost anything. And the upshot of all this is a change in mentality by many, if not most, women. Now that's a change that men have to, and will, adjust to, just like that there are a few changes borne from being able to provide for themselves that women are going to have to adjust to also. I hear what you're saying, but can you imagine an environment where the human race could procreate in the absence of a traditional family structure? What we have in the West obviously does not work. The 50% divorce rate (combined with the fact that many people don't even bother with life partnerships anymore) and plummeting birth rates are a clear testament to the fact that juggling career and family responsibilities is too much for most women. So if we continue with the process of turning women into penis-less men, and do it on a worldwide scale, how are we going to replenish our ranks? Are we going to have the government step in and set up "baby factories", where embryos are grown in artificial conditions and then have the kids raised in some sort of collective youth camps? That doesn't sound like a bright future to me. Seriously, do you have any specific ideas as to how the human race can procreate sustainably in the absence of a traditional family structure? Cause if you do, I'd love to hear them.
sagetalk Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 To the people that bring up the fact that women are saying they don't like players, seriously, do you really think they are going to say, "I love players"? Almost no woman alive would say that, that in no way means they wouldn't date them or actually desire them above an inexperienced man. The proof is in their past relationships. Who do the women on here date? Were their past boyfriends sexually experienced or were they mostly virgins and guys who've been with a girl or two. I think we all know the answer to that question. Consider the endless wave of posts saying how inexperienced guys are a massive turnoff, but players/guys with high numbers of sex partners are bad too. Here's a news flash, if a guy is trying to get into your pants on the second or third date, he's a player. If you like that kind of stuff, then you like players. Embrace it and leave your delusions behind you.
Author Johnny M Posted March 31, 2010 Author Posted March 31, 2010 To the people that bring up the fact that women are saying they don't like players, seriously, do you really think they are going to say, "I love players"? Almost no woman alive would say that, that in no way means they wouldn't date them or actually desire them above an inexperienced man. A player would not be a player if he didn't sleep with a large number of women who fell for him. The very fact that players exist is a testament to the fact that women like such men.
betamanlet Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 To the people that bring up the fact that women are saying they don't like players, seriously, do you really think they are going to say, "I love players"? Almost no woman alive would say that, that in no way means they wouldn't date them or actually desire them above an inexperienced man. The proof is in their past relationships. Who do the women on here date? Were their past boyfriends sexually experienced or were they mostly virgins and guys who've been with a girl or two. I think we all know the answer to that question. Consider the endless wave of posts saying how inexperienced guys are a massive turnoff, but players/guys with high numbers of sex partners are bad too. Here's a news flash, if a guy is trying to get into your pants on the second or third date, he's a player. If you like that kind of stuff, then you like players. Embrace it and leave your delusions behind you. Honestly, women expect you to at least try by the 2nd or 3rd date, or she will either think you lack confidence or not interested in her.
betamanlet Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 A player would not be a player if he didn't sleep with a large number of women who fell for him. The very fact that players exist is a testament to the fact that women like such men. A small % of men get most of the women. Virtually every guy I know has not been with nearly the amount of women that the women have been with men.. Women share a small pool of popular men until they get older.
tigressA Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 The proof is in their past relationships. Who do the women on here date? Were their past boyfriends sexually experienced or were they mostly virgins and guys who've been with a girl or two. I think we all know the answer to that question. Consider the endless wave of posts saying how inexperienced guys are a massive turnoff, but players/guys with high numbers of sex partners are bad too. My longest relationship was with a guy who was a virgin when I met him. Knowing that was kind of a turn-on. I have no bias against inexperienced guys.
A O Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 The 50% divorce rate (combined with the fact that many people don't even bother with life partnerships anymore) and plummeting birth rates are a clear testament to the fact that juggling career and family responsibilities is too much for most women. As said earlier, we're in a period of change. Its far too early to tell whether we're all heading up shyt creek or not. I'm sure we'll adapt for the better in time. .
Author Johnny M Posted April 1, 2010 Author Posted April 1, 2010 As said earlier, we're in a period of change. Its far too early to tell whether we're all heading up shyt creek or not. I'm sure we'll adapt for the better in time. Or maybe we won't. There are far more species that have gone instinct than those that are still around.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 My longest relationship was with a guy who was a virgin when I met him. Knowing that was kind of a turn-on. I have no bias against inexperienced guys. If you don't mind me asking was he the one you cheated on?
tigressA Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 He must have been steaming hot and a virgin by choice I of course found him attractive; not a lot of other girls did--he was shorter than me, kinda slight build, etc--not the "typical ideal". It definitely wasn't by choice for him. I think the problem with some inexperienced guys is that they get the desperate tag--I notice that they can come off like "any girl will do", and therefore, a girl who might be interested in dating them would have a hard time trusting that he's not around just because she was the only one who'd pay him any attention. Edit: Yes Woggle, it is, but it had nothing to do with his inexperience or anything of the sort. It was my fault entirely, no excuse or reason for it relating to him.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 I of course found him attractive; not a lot of other girls did--he was shorter than me, kinda slight build, etc--not the "typical ideal". It definitely wasn't by choice for him. I think the problem with some inexperienced guys is that they get the desperate tag--I notice that they can come off like "any girl will do", and therefore, a girl who might be interested in dating them would have a hard time trusting that he's not around just because she was the only one who'd pay him any attention. Edit: Yes Woggle, it is, but it had nothing to do with his inexperience or anything of the sort. It was my fault entirely, no excuse or reason for it relating to him. No offense but this sort of proves my point.
Houndsoflove Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 If you guys think having sex with a lot of girls by virtue of itself is going to get you more girls, then try it out. have sex with any girl who you can get and see where it gets you. Every woman I know is attracted to good qualities in a man - confidence, ambition, humor, being a good person, talent, success. That is attractive. Guys who have these qualities are the ones women go after. No woman unless she has bad self esteem is going to go for a guy who has nothing more going for him than hundreds of notches on a whittled down bedpost. This virgin vs promiscuous comparison is a ridiculous one. There is such a thing as a middle ground, and that to me is attractive. From what I've seen, having sex with a lot of women is more a male barometer of masculinity than it is a female one. Also, if a guy is a true player, most of the girls he is playing or has played had no idea what they were in for. this thread is nothing more than all around sadness.
Houndsoflove Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 This ^ by Houndsoflove is bang on. No one in their right mind says to themselves "Mmm tasty, he's poked 600 women" . NO ONE. Promiscuity in and of itself is equally a turn off to both genders butI would go as far as saying that a lot of people on both sides of the fence would be willing to overlook promiscuity if they were charmed enough by the person in question, hence why women still proceed to date charming slutty men. If a guy is a known player and yet still manages to get girls, maybe you guys should look at the attractive qualities he has that the women are willing to overlook a very unattractive quality - being a hoor.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 I see it with my own eyes how players do with women. A friend of mine invited me to watch him in action one night and I could not believe the stuff he was doing. It was things that most women would say they are disgusted by but at the end of the night he had two women literally fighting over him.
Houndsoflove Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Men have no idea what women want. I know players too. I also know women. I get the dynamic. A loser guy who has nothing going for him physically or personality wise is no player. A charming guy who has a lot going for him has the potential to be. 1+1=2.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Men have no idea what women want. I know players too. I also know women. I get the dynamic. A loser guy who has nothing going for him physically or personality wise is no player. A charming guy who has a lot going for him has the potential to be. 1+1=2. No I don't but I know what friends of mine do well with women and which ones don't. This guy also insults women to their face and they come back for more.
Houndsoflove Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 No I don't but I know what friends of mine do well with women and which ones don't. This guy also insults women to their face and they come back for more. Haha that is so bad it's a joke. I know some guys who attracted women with low self esteem. seems like that's what you got right there. I've never dated a guy who insulted me to my face, or attempted to pick someone else up while with me. It's called self-respect.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Haha that is so bad it's a joke. I know some guys who attracted women with low self esteem. seems like that's what you got right there. I've never dated a guy who insulted me to my face, or attempted to pick someone else up while with me. It's called self-respect. He certainly does better with women than my nice friends who respect them.
AD1980 Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Men have no idea what women want. I know players too. I also know women. I get the dynamic. A loser guy who has nothing going for him physically or personality wise is no player. A charming guy who has a lot going for him has the potential to be. 1+1=2. Its simple, a really good looking dude as long as hes not a total social retard can get tons of women..Thyell overlook his negative qulaities if hes good looking enough..
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