sweetjasmine Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Maybe so but I do not want to be a part of some gender war. I simply want a good woman in my life who I can trust? I don't like those stupid "gender wars". You want a good woman who you can trust. I want a good man who I can trust. How are we any different? Are men so wrong for feeling this way or is it our just desserts to be betrayed? Be honest with how you feel. I don't really believe in "just desserts" across generations, applying to an entire gender (or race, ethnicity, etc.). How much personal responsibility do YOU bear for the fact that women in the US couldn't vote in most states until 1920? None. And you're just as much a product of society as any other male or female. There are still problems with gender equality in most places in the US - going both ways. Those things should be fixed. But that doesn't mean that people of one gender should deliberately hurt random people of the other gender out of some sense of entitlement. That's totally deranged thinking. Like I've said before, if my blond neighbor stole my wallet, it would be absolutely insane for me to punch every blond person in the face as a way to get back at him.
Twenty-ten Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Well I think it is just a matter of acceptance, the reality is that women are conditioned to not give it up because we will be perceived as sluts where as men are encouraged to be free sexually. So I think women just accept that men are made to be this way. You can't deny that double standard exists.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 I don't like these gender wars either but I feel I have no choice but to protect myself. After hearing what I heard at work today I simply I am just giving on ever trusting women. Every time I try to not be so negative towards the female gender I end up getting slapped back to reality and the comments about cooking was my wakeup call. I truly do feel that deep down most women feel like the women I work with. No it would not be okay to punch of every blond person but using feminist logic it would completely justified. I have decided not to cook my wife that mean because apparently she will just go into work the next day and laugh at me.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Well I think it is just a matter of acceptance, the reality is that women are conditioned to not give it up because we will be perceived as sluts where as men are encouraged to be free sexually. So I think women just accept that men are made to be this way. You can't deny that double standard exists. Yes it exists and women encourage it just as much as men. When I see nerdy and nice guys getting as much play as players then I will take these gripes seriously.
spiral1 Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Are people really so naive as to expect their partner to tell their experience level? Inexperienced males or very experienced females are especially likely to do anything they can to avoid telling their partners.
sweetjasmine Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 After hearing what I heard at work today I simply I am just giving on ever trusting women. Every time I try to not be so negative towards the female gender I end up getting slapped back to reality and the comments about cooking was my wakeup call. I truly do feel that deep down most women feel like the women I work with. Okay, waaaait a minute, slow down. Those two crazy c-nts again? No, most women don't feel or think the way they do. Don't let their stupid petty BS make you feel bad. You heard their stupid comments about cooking, but did you read the responses to the thread you started? If those two had made that cooking comment to me, I'd have told them to go f- themselves. No it would not be okay to punch of every blond person but using feminist logic it would completely justified. That's not what I consider feminist logic. According to my "feminist logic," those two women you work with are SEXIST. I have decided not to cook my wife that mean because apparently she will just go into work the next day and laugh at me. Seriously, Woggle? I'm not sure I'm reading this right. You don't want to cook for your wife because you think she'll laugh at you? I'm sorry that the stupid work c-nt's comment has made you feel like crap. But come on, do you really think your wife would laugh at you? My SO likes cooking, and so do I. I absolutely LOVE it when he cooks for me. It doesn't make him "less manly." At all. I would never ever think less of him for cooking, and in fact, it's the opposite - I think it's absolutely wonderful that he has that skill.
Twenty-ten Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 I don't like these gender wars either but I feel I have no choice but to protect myself. After hearing what I heard at work today I simply I am just giving on ever trusting women. Every time I try to not be so negative towards the female gender I end up getting slapped back to reality and the comments about cooking was my wakeup call. I truly do feel that deep down most women feel like the women I work with. No it would not be okay to punch of every blond person but using feminist logic it would completely justified. I have decided not to cook my wife that mean because apparently she will just go into work the next day and laugh at me. What comment about cooking? It seems you have a handful of toxic women you work with and this represents the entire gender now? You always quote these women you work with, Ive read some of the past comments about them and to be honest with you Ive heard one too many gross things you've told us about them to know they are just loser women. I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that women are angels and that women don't commit disgusting acts to ruin guys they do and it is not gender-centric. But you can't keep weighing your views based on a handful of misfits...c'mon Woggle.
Twenty-ten Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Those two crazy c-nts again? Ok now that was funny! Seriously Woggle!!
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 It is not just those two. When I hear them I just can't help feeling that all women are that way. One of them claims that they now cheat on their husband to get justice for Sandra Bullock. What her husband has to do with that whole I don't know but it seems he deserves to pay for it. I was planning on cooking my wife a nice dinner for her birthday but why even bother? She will just laugh at me look at me as a loser anyway.
Twenty-ten Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 It is not just those two. When I hear them I just can't help feeling that all women are that way. One of them claims that they now cheat on their husband to get justice for Sandra Bullock. What her husband has to do with that whole I don't know but it seems he deserves to pay for it. Yes cheaters do that Woggle, they blame their actions on anything but themselves. In what rational existence would a cheater take full responsibility for their actions? That would be an oxymoron and if they had the reason to accept blame for their actions, they wouldn't need to cheat in the first place. I was planning on cooking my wife a nice dinner for her birthday but why even bother? She will just laugh at me look at me as a loser anyway. Wow, to what extent to do you let these losers you work with affect your life. Just wow!!! This is so sad. Your wife would be ecstatic to receive such a thoughtful gesture from your part, wouldn't you be if she were doing that for you on your birthday? Your wife is not the enemy, those fools you work with are.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 They affect my life because I feel they do speak for most women. Be honest if the genders were reversed in the Bullock and Tiger stories which you not somewhat look at them as feminist heroes?
Twenty-ten Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 They affect my life because I feel they do speak for most women. Be honest if the genders were reversed in the Bullock and Tiger stories which you not somewhat look at them as feminist heroes? NO I'd look a them as cheaters who ruined a marriage and children's lives. And on the dinner for your wife topic all I can say is try it, if it turns out as those misfits suggest come back and vent about it and you will have nothing but support from everyone here who will be more than willing to accept your anger in said situation. I will eat my words and offer you an apology, you have my word. You are always opening the umbrella before it rains and this will only result in a self fulfilled prophesy for you. You have to be willing to be vulnerable in love in order to grow, and in your case you really have no reason to feel unsafe. I would not suggest going out on a limb for someone if they gave you reason to watch your steps. You wife doesn't deserve that unless there is something I haven't seen that would suggest she is out to get you.
sweetjasmine Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 It is not just those two. When I hear them I just can't help feeling that all women are that way. One of them claims that they now cheat on their husband to get justice for Sandra Bullock. What her husband has to do with that whole I don't know but it seems he deserves to pay for it. She sounds like a piece of trash. I was planning on cooking my wife a nice dinner for her birthday but why even bother? She will just laugh at me look at me as a loser anyway. Wow. Come on, Wog. What did your wife do or say? She didn't do or say anything. But an obnoxious sexist comment from some c-nt you work with means you change the way you act towards your WIFE? Your wife is not going to laugh at you or think you're a loser if you do something sweet for her birthday. Why does your wife deserve to be punished for the venom that flies out of some other person's mouth? Don't let some crazy woman's BS sexist opinion destroy or poison your relationship. They affect my life because I feel they do speak for most women. Be honest if the genders were reversed in the Bullock and Tiger stories which you not somewhat look at them as feminist heroes? Um, no, Wog. That wouldn't make them "feminist heroes." People who lie and cheat when they've promised monogamy are dishonest scumbags REGARDLESS OF GENDER.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Yeah I guess you are right. Those two just get on my nerves so much. It is not an easy thing to hear when you are trying to get over years of mistrust that is the result of a lot of abuse.
Houndsoflove Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Women do not pursue men based on how many partners they have had. If a guy has been able to land so many babes he's probably some combination of attractive, charming, successful, ambitious, talented, amiable, etc. That's why he has success. Men are stereotypically seen has the pursuers while women are the pursued, while that is true many if not all women I know are also pursuers - we go after what we want. No woman I know lies dormant while various keys try to "unlock" her until the lucky one gets to stick it in. Women are animals just like men - depending on what we want we choose - and go after - the one who does the song and dance we like. People have various types of relationships. friends, booty call, FWB, fling, longterm, etc. sexuality and human relationships are complicated and key elements to human existence. Women are exploring that. Men have been exploring it for centuries. Everyone should treat themselves and other with respect. If you don't like people who have had over a certain number of partners and you find it particularly important, then it's all on you. Don't throw the first stone and resort to name calling because you feel like being judgmental.
sally4sara Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Well, i think men are often the conquerors and women are the ones who are being conquered. And thats why we have this topic So..... How DOES one go about conquering someone who wants the same thing as the supposed conqueror? Any real conquering would require rape.
A O Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 So there you go. Women are attracted to promiscuous men, while men are attracted to non-promiscuous women (which, like most aspects of human psychology, probably has roots in evolutionary adaptation). Some women are attracted to it but most simply aren't bothered with it relative to how bothered men are about it. For women to try convince men that "sluts" are just as wholesome as the less experienced girls would be the equivalent of men trying to convince women that shy, nerdy, socially awkward nice guys are just as desirable as suave "bad boys".I've not seen this. Men are stereotypically seen has the pursuers while women are the pursued, while that is true many if not all women I know are also pursuers - we go after what we want. Relative to men, you're very much passive pursuers. So.....How DOES one go about conquering someone who wants the same thing as the supposed conqueror? What, y'all want no-strings sex as quickly and often as you can get it. C'mon, pull the other one. .
betamanlet Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 I think it also has to do with gluttony, but not in the sense of eating. People don't respect gluttons. For a guy, it's MUCH more difficult to get sex than it is for a woman. For a woman, it only requires a pulse, and leaving home. For a man, it requires social skill, etc. It's a challenge, hence why women call it for men "Getting lucky". So a man who is promiscuous is really working hard at it, using skills to get women interested, while a woman who is promiscuous is basically being a sex glutton. The female verison of the male accomplishment of getting laid is actually refraining from having sex. Becuase any woman if she wanted to, could get laid every day of the year by a new guy. Can't say the same for a guy unless you are brad pitt.
blind_otter Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Relative to men, you're very much passive pursuers. . You like it like that. Say it. I am a sexually aggressive woman. But generally speaking the men who respond to that type of female are in the minority. I've had some guy friends out and out tell me that they are turned OFF by sexually aggressive women, that they prefer to pursue.
stillafool Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Last time I checked, all women were virgins at some point. So I don't really see how marrying a virgin would automatically result in a sexless marriage. But in any event, this thread is not about virgins. No one suggested that men are only interested in marrying virgins, or that women should not have sex before marriage, so no need to derail the thread by dealing with the extremes. A promiscuous woman is not any woman who has sex before marriage. Rather, it's someone who has lots of one night stands and possesses the whole "girls just like to have fun" mentality in her teens and 20s. I mean, who wants a party girl who has slept with half of her college football team to be the mother of their children? What kind of values can a woman like that impart on your offspring? Okay, since you guys don't want Virgins either but want a woman who has had some sexual partners - how many partners can a woman have sex with before she crosses the line into "slutville"? 2,3,,4,5,67,8, etc. How many? When a man has slept with dozens of women and brings his worn out penis into a marriage, what kind of values can a manslut give to his offsprings?
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 You like it like that. Say it. I am a sexually aggressive woman. But generally speaking the men who respond to that type of female are in the minority. I've had some guy friends out and out tell me that they are turned OFF by sexually aggressive women, that they prefer to pursue. Most women prefer men to persue as well. Sexually aggressive women are okay for messing around but aything beyond that and most come with a whole set of issues.
stillafool Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 I don't know if women who sleep around are more likely to cheat but many tend to have feminist attitudes and have the let's beat men at their own game mentality. They view cheating as their right because it is not time to treat men the way they were treated. I hear this attitude everyday at work and I don't blame men one bit for wanting to avoid it. The women I have known who sleep around do it for one reason only - they are horny and I doubt other men even enter their minds.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Okay, since you guys don't want Virgins either but want a woman who has had some sexual partners - how many partners can a woman have sex with before she crosses the line into "slutville"? 2,3,,4,5,67,8, etc. How many? When a man has slept with dozens of women and brings his worn out penis into a marriage, what kind of values can a manslut give to his offsprings? It is not about the number but her entire attitude and approach. It's hard putting it into words but there are certain kinds of women a man should just not get involved with. I wish nerdy and sensitive men who didn't use women as toys got more action and play but that is not the case. It's women who chase after the mansluts. Women could actually learn a few things from men about how to pick a partner.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 The women I have known who sleep around do it for one reason only - they are horny and I doubt other men even enter their minds. They might be horny but most of them have a feminist mentality and it shows. I know this from experience.
stillafool Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Yes I don't know if women do it to even the score, I don't know that women go out intentionally to get laid simply to "stick it to men" I mean that seems too much like premeditated work when the simple fact is sex feels good and that is why people have sex. But intentional or not by proxy of modern women's actions it does even the playing field a bit with men and it does give men a sense that it is not so one sided anymore. Would you disagree with that? Exactly; and what men would you be sticking it to? Sex is usually done in private and women don't usually brag about their sexual escapades but usually hide them. So how would men find out so a woman could "stick it to them" and I doubt men would care anyway, unless it is their woman out doing the screwing around.
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