Jersey Shortie Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 Some people like to pretend that biology does not apply to them. Totally true. Like 40 year old men denying the fact that biologically speaking, men in their 20s and 30s are more physically equipped to produce healthy children. And that aging men contribute just as many issues in their children as older women can. That's a reality that some of you don't want to seem to face: medical science. Sperm declines in quality every year after 30. I think you know enough and have read enough to know I am not making that up. Cultural and personal bias on your part. In South America, its common to see men in their 30's and even 40's with women 18-25. Same in Eastern Europe, parts of the Arab world, Central and South Asia etc. Seriously, then move to South America lol. It’s a win win, if those kind of men leave to go to another country, we can be left with the good kind of men we need here. I stand by my point that any man over 25, dating an 18 year old girl has some deeply psychological issues. Ironically, the cultures you use as examples are cultures that doesn’t even showcase much respect for women in general and like to control them. Women like younger men too. Look at all the new cases of female teachers in their 30's hooking up with their male high school students. Sure, those cases happen. However, these cases are over sensationalized in the media due to the shock value. This isn't the norm. Most women aren't wishing to do high school males. It's more regular that there are men out there that will take advantage of young girls then the opposite. Older men should provide some sort of guidance for their younger girlfriends - but they are not required to. Also offering guidance where its not wanted burns rapport. One must ask if they want to receive. Did you actually read what I said or are you purposely trying to be obtuse? What I said is that I think men and women would benefit more if men were not always so predatory towards women and girls. I think our society is sorely lacking in true male leadership and guidence. I think society would hugely benefit if older men took the role of non-sexual mentor more often then predator. And no, a woman or girl doesn't have to give a man anything in return for that. You don't mentor someone or offer leadership because of what you get out of the deal. I think that kind of leadership would both help in forming positive early opinions young women have about men and how young boys see other men treat women. I think you get what I am saying but choose to purposely be obtuse about it. This would not be an issue if women chose good and nice guys for their partners.... So it's women's fault men aren't nice? I'm sorry but I hold men accountable for their actions and how they treat people and I hold women accountable for the same. Please don't escape responsibilitly on how you choose to behave as a man by blaming women for it. That's really silly. Don't harbor guilt about your age - but be realistic. If you're 35 and get tired walking out to the mailbox, then you may not be able to compete with your female counterpart whose on the rowing crew and looks 26-27, much less whose 22 and does nothing to keep a hot body. Great thing about fitness, is that its very affordable and even low-cost dinasour methods can produce competitive results. Ummm, who said I didn't work out? Why are you lecturing me on fitness?? Attitude goes along way. If you're a fun, kind person to be around chances are you'll attract a fun, kind person. They say like attracts like. Do you think a bitter, sarcastic person who assumes the worst in others will attract a good, fun, loving person? But from this thread, it seems that women should expect the worst from men since many of you are willign to cast us aside and say how much better you consider a certain age group of women. We are only taking in what men are giving out. Don't be surprised if women don't arbor much respect for you considering. Despite your own appreciation of older men when you were young, you now hate men your own age for dating younger. Why the contradictory attitude? Is it because it doesn't give you the advantage? Wouldn't say it was an appreciation of older men so much as learning about men in general, dating, and finding out what I liked. While older men were fun to be with, I will ultimately settle down with a man my age. And one who likes to pay. Did I say I hated men at all? And what contradictory attitude? I don't have any trouble getting dates from men my age at all. I don't find anything wrong in dating older or younger. I find something wrong in the attitude of either a man or woman that only dates younger and somehow thinks they are better then their peers. Usually this attitude is more rampet in more insecure men. Who of any of us, man or woman, wants to be cast aside for aging? Who of any of us, man or woman, wants to stop feeling like a man or woman just because we get older? I do not hate older men or men my age. I do find a meanness in certain men on this topic. And ironically, at the same time, these same men want women to adore them and think they are wonderful. No woman is, 20 or 40 is going to think any man is wonderful that has the mentality that awoman is only worthwhile between the ages of 18-25. Neither should she, 20 or 40. Because someday that 20 year old will be 40. Just as her man will be. And if he thinks he is better at 40 then she is, he's got some issues. Men in their 40's have children with younger wives. Women in their 40's not so much. Its just biology. For a long while it's been more socially acceptable for men to have children in their 40s. And less acceptable for women. That's changing. Regardless, I've spoke with enough of my male friends to know that many of them don't want to be first time daddies in their 40s and feel their own biological clock ticking. It's also biology that older men have just as many issues that happen in their off spring as older women do. Yet many men here want to consistanly deny it. Your sperm declines in value every year after 30. We have an esculating rate of autism and other age related dieases that are happening in children. While I totally agree and understand a woman can't wait forever, either can a man. Despite what TV has told you. many guys are more ready to buy into what social media has sold to you then the scientific facts about what really happens to the male body when aging. Men can start going bald as early as their 20s, their matablism slows down in their 30s, they experience more ED. These are not nature's way of telling men that they are the best option. These are nature's way of telling men that as they age, they are becoming less important to the reproduction process. Something I know most men don't like to hear because I know men contact hugely with their vitality and their ability in being important to the process of procreation. Except, for generations men have been telling themselves they are more important then they really are. If you are a 40 year old man, you are biologically not as important to nature as a 20 or even 30 year old man. That's just fact. Now men might be having children that are older, but I certainly don't think they are doing their kids any favors. It's a shame though for their children. That's who they are really hurting by waiting so long to have children. They aren't giving their kids the best of themselves.
torranceshipman Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 want to be with women in their 20s? It seems like a lot of my women friends in my age group, including me (I'm 39) are being left for much younger women. What gives? Tbh the guys I know are all dating people in their mid 30's or thereabouts if they are in mid to late 30's. I don't think young is really much of a commodity with them although young looking certainly is, in the sense of being vibrant / beautiful, and intelligent, etc - those are all similarities...
stillafool Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 no, no and no, younger people are just less selective as they have fewer requirements and younger girls, just like being with someone, hence are easier to date. Are you serious? Young people (men and women) are at their dating prime and can afford to be more selective than anyone. Young girls don't have to settle to just be with someone, they have tons of guys to chose from?
Woggle Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 I am 31 and women under 25 look like children to me. I feel like telling them to stay in school and listen to their parents instead of wanting to date them. Why are some women here acting like Cali speaks for all men?
shadowplay Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Women mature faster than men. It's a biological fact. Young professionals who are straight out of graduate school usually have massive student loans that they need to pay off. And they tend to live in big cities where the cost of living is very high (making 100K/year in New York is not exactly a ticket to a grand lifestyle). Plus, they still make a lot less money than older men/women in the same profession. Lol, "biological fact." Cite one source. Women do not age any fast than men. They may show wrinkles somewhat earlier because their skin is thinner, but men are still aging at the same rate. If you did a UV exam on their skin cells you'd find the same amount of damage. Edited March 29, 2010 by shadowplay
Sazerac Posted March 29, 2010 Posted March 29, 2010 Oh, good heavens, no. I wouldn't have much in common with them. Of course, I try to go by the individual person, but I wouldn't be looking in the 20-y.o. pool.
LucreziaBorgia Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 Oh, good heavens, no. I wouldn't have much in common with them. Of course, I try to go by the individual person, but I wouldn't be looking in the 20-y.o. pool. Saz, is that avatar an Oblivion character? I was talking to some of my older guy friends today, and I couldn't find a single one that expressed much of an interest in much younger women except for a divorced guy who is my age, but dating a girl in her very early twenties.
DMoon Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 I dunno man, I hear young women talking at work about dating older guys (meaning in their 30s or 40s) and most of them say "ewwwwwww!, but if he was well off I'd consider it." Well off meaning they can take her out to dinner a few times a week, pay her way for everything, take her on expensive trips, give her money if she needs it, has a really nice car, etc. Otherwise they are slobbering over the 'Edwards' and 'Jacobs' or 'Kellans' out there - young, hot, cut (or just cute in 'Edward' case) young guys - guys that girls will compete against to have. Rich older guys are great too - but they have to have money. The same older guy they would consider - if he was broke and a loser, they would think 'pervert'. I have a friend who is 24 and a 41 year old asked her out, and she was grossed out by the idea of a man who isn't much younger than her father asking her out. She said.. "what the hell would we talk about?" Now, that isn't ALWAYS the case - just based on what a lot of the college age girls chit chat about at work and when we go out from time to time. Now, my man and I are about the same age. I'm a couple of years younger. He says he prefers me over younger women because we can have a conversation in which we: get the same references, listen to the same music, are equal in the things we like and no longer like to do, there is no 'flaky 20s' drama, and the sex is much, much better. Plus, your values and priorities are usually on target when your ages are closer. I guess if you only care about looks, dating someone younger just because they are younger is a good idea but not many people I know who date really young like that have too much in common with each other. If they do, it is a rare case of a really mature young person or a less rare case of a really immature older person. Agree. That is what I see as well. And I live in an area with a very rich foreign born populations as well as a strong mixture of groups, but young 20-29 year old women, prefer men in their own age group. The only time I see 10+ year difference is if the man is himself very, very rich and/or the marriage was arranged. A lot of the young guys around here are self made, techie millionaires, entrepreneurs, investment raiders, quants, and trust fundies, who are easily pulling in high six to seven figure incomes. And that doesn’t even count the artistic/creative types who pull women in their own age group in droves no matter their financial status. So if young women are looking for established financially secure men, they can certainly find it in their age group. It’s not like all the young guys are poor PhD students eating Ramen noodles. Women have choices now, so they don’t have to date older, they find plenty of action in their own age group.
The Paper Knight Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 Are you serious? Young people (men and women) are at their dating prime and can afford to be more selective than anyone. Young girls don't have to settle to just be with someone, they have tons of guys to chose from? How old are you? I am currently dating a younger girl and found all the 30+ girls I have dated are looking for Mr Right and are very selective (after 2 weeks that is), because time is running out. I may be a little immature for my age, but young girls like older guys because they have moved past the get pissed with mates and act like a dick phase.
Pyro Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 and youve met my friends so yo know im telling the truth:laugh: Yes sir. You are two of a kind.
paperchase Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 How old are you? I am currently dating a younger girl and found all the 30+ girls I have dated are looking for Mr Right and are very selective (after 2 weeks that is), because time is running out. I may be a little immature for my age, but young girls like older guys because they have moved past the get pissed with mates and act like a dick phase. I think this is a valid point lost in over-generalization. My experience is that there is a tendency for women over 30 to seek early confirmation about the long term viability of a relationship. They tend not to have sex first and ask questions later. Often they have a time frame in their minds with respect to when they would like to get married and when they would like to have kids. They often are more focused in having their needs met.
Jersey Shortie Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 I am 31 and women under 25 look like children to me. I feel like telling them to stay in school and listen to their parents instead of wanting to date them. Why are some women here acting like Cali speaks for all men? Woogle, don't have a heart attack but I do think we need more guys like that. That take more non-sexual interest in women and can provide some leadership and guidance. I think that would go a really long way.
You'reasian Posted April 4, 2010 Posted April 4, 2010 Seriously, then move to South America lol. It’s a win win, if those kind of men leave to go to another country, we can be left with the good kind of men we need here.. I like it here just fine; My fellow guys support a multi-billion dollar porn industry. I stand by my point that any man over 25, dating an 18 year old girl has some deeply psychological issues. Ironically, the cultures you use as examples are cultures that doesn’t even showcase much respect for women in general and like to control them. Cultures you know nothing about. Sure, those cases happen. However, these cases are over sensationalized in the media due to the shock value. This isn't the norm. Most women aren't wishing to do high school males. It's more regular that there are men out there that will take advantage of young girls then the opposite.. Over sensationalized because Jersey Shortie says so? The point I'm getting at is that more and more women would love to be with younger men and there's nothing wrong with that. Its called the Cougar movement. Did you actually read what I said or are you purposely trying to be obtuse? What I said is that I think men and women would benefit more if men were not always so predatory towards women and girls. I think our society is sorely lacking in true male leadership and guidence. I think society would hugely benefit if older men took the role of non-sexual mentor more often then predator. And no, a woman or girl doesn't have to give a man anything in return for that. You don't mentor someone or offer leadership because of what you get out of the deal. I think that kind of leadership would both help in forming positive early opinions young women have about men and how young boys see other men treat women. I think you get what I am saying but choose to purposely be obtuse about it... Did you read what I wrote and comprehend what I wrote? You use too many words to get your point across. Society isn't lacking in true male leadership and guidance. Plenty of it. I do feel bad for young women whose opinions of males are jaded because of tramautic experiences - but they shouldn't hold the entire male sex accountable to their own horrible experiences.... So it's women's fault men aren't nice? I'm sorry but I hold men accountable for their actions and how they treat people and I hold women accountable for the same. Please don't escape responsibilitly on how you choose to behave as a man by blaming women for it. That's really silly. ... Your twisting words again. How silly of you. My behavior as a man has nothing to do with blaming women.
mmk1 Posted April 4, 2010 Posted April 4, 2010 I'm 48 and dated women between 29-44 just this year and my current girlfriend is 39. I don't consider age that much in my dating decisions. What I do look for is smart, fun and attractive. I do look younger than my age IMHO and age has not been a factor withmy dates, as far as I know. I think they appreciate me for the same thngs I see in them.
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