Tnerforireyeh Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I happen to be one of the two professions listed in the title of this thread, I won't say which. After I graduated from my professional school I found that it did increase the number of women who were interested in dating me. And I happen to be pretty broke. I think it's more about saying "I'm dating a doctor/lawyer" than about the actual amount of money the dude is making. There is more to job status than income level. I think the sociological term is "occupational prestige" and covers a wide range of things from education, to income, to the lack of getting one's hand dirty, to all sorts of things.
Johnny M Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I happen to be one of the two professions listed in the title of this thread, I won't say which. After I graduated from my professional school I found that it did increase the number of women who were interested in dating me. And I happen to be pretty broke. I think it's more about saying "I'm dating a doctor/lawyer" than about the actual amount of money the dude is making. There is more to job status than income level. I think the sociological term is "occupational prestige" and covers a wide range of things from education, to income, to the lack of getting one's hand dirty, to all sorts of things. I am also one of these two professions and my experience has been similar. However, I generally try to avoid women who care so much about their man's social status. A woman I was on a date with once was talking about some guy who tried courting her and she made it a point to say that she would never date a car mechanic. I never called that girl again. Social snobbery is a huge turn-off for me and one thing that I simply cannot tolerate.
Woggle Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I hate snobbery as well. I come from the gutter and I will never forget that. I could be a billionare and I will still be hanging out with the people I was close to when I had nothing that is what is real. I don't blame you for never calling that woman again.
Johnny M Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I hate snobbery as well. I come from the gutter and I will never forget that. I could be a billionare and I will still be hanging out with the people I was close to when I had nothing that is what is real. I don't blame you for never calling that woman again. My background is actually the exact opposite of yours. Both of my parents are highly educated and you could say that I come from a 'good family' (though I really don't like that term). My dad is a bit of an elitist and is always making disparaging remarks about people who are from small towns, uneducated, etc. I personally do not subscribe to that line of thinking as life experience has taught me that one's education or status have nothing to do with the quality of his character.
Leia Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 My background is actually the exact opposite of yours. Both of my parents are highly educated and you could say that I come from a 'good family' (though I really don't like that term). My dad is a bit of an elitist and is always making disparaging remarks about people who are from small towns, uneducated, etc. I personally do not subscribe to that line of thinking as life experience has taught me that one's education or status have nothing to do with the quality of his character. Your parents sound like my parents. I do not subscribe to that too, well, just recently anyway. My sister looked down so much on others which is something she got from my parents
desertmoon Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I am a doctor and I wouldn't date one, although most of my friends are in the same profession. I have seen a lot of infidelity among them, specially the male doctors, plus some have big egos as some "ignorant" women drool around them because of their career. I agree. I think even if you do not flirt with these type of married male doctors there is a sense of entitlement, if you may- and they ask women out (propositioned, really) like it is "normal".
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I am in the medical field, thus I get asked out usually by people in the medical field, however, my exes were in the legal profession and thus I gravitate towards men in the legal profession. It has nothing to do with preference..but perhaps, familiarity.
USMCHokie Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I am in the medical field, thus I get asked out usually by people in the medical field, however, my exes were in the legal profession and thus I gravitate towards men in the legal profession. It has nothing to do with preference..but perhaps, familiarity. Hmmm...how 'bout them apples...
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Hmmm...how 'bout them apples... ahm...? are you ok?
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Recap: Women want social status and money. Men want youth and beauty. If you're a man, go to a professional school. If you're a woman, go the gym! Sexist, I know, but it's how the world works, folks... What if I have all of the above?
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Let me be blunt for a second. "Youth and beauty" is an euphemism for HOT. And by HOT, I mean hot enough to earn a living as a stripper in LA or Las Vegas. It is just highly unlikely (though not impossible) that a woman who's in the top 5% in looks is also in the top 5% percentile in intelligence (intelligent enough to be in medical/law school). You are right. I have yet to meet an 18 year old stripper who is also a doctor or a lawyer. Come to think of it, I have yet to meet a really successful male doctor or lawyer MARRY an 18 year old stripper...they may sleep and use them for sex but not marry them...I do not think they are that stupid, do you?
Tropic Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Let me be blunt for a second. "Youth and beauty" is an euphemism for HOT. And by HOT, I mean hot enough to earn a living as a stripper in LA or Las Vegas. It is just highly unlikely (though not impossible) that a woman who's in the top 5% in looks is also in the top 5% percentile in intelligence (intelligent enough to be in medical/law school). It happens, trust me:) I've had a lot of men pursue me, my career doesn't intimidate them, on the contrary, they are impressed by it. Even with a boyfriend, I get asked out a lot by men who don't know I have one. PS. Never cheated, nor is in my plans. I am very happy with my boyfriend
Els Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Men and women are looking for different things in the dating market. Male doctors and male lawyers are in high demand by the female audience. Women want social status and $. Female doctors and female lawyers, on the other hand, are not as hot of a commodity in the eyes of males. Given a choice between an average looking 30 year old lawyer and a hot 18 year old sorority girl, most men will pick the hottie. Men want youth and beauty. Recap: Women want social status and money. Men want youth and beauty. If you're a man, go to a professional school. If you're a woman, go the gym! Sexist, I know, but it's how the world works, folks... The problem is that a good career basically sets you up for life - your own life. Both men and women should have this for themselves, EVEN if it doesn't benefit them in relationships. Looking hot doesn't really benefit you except for the mate aspect. And men complain that women have it easier...
Wallace1 Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 It is just highly unlikely (though not impossible) that a woman who's in the top 5% in looks is also in the top 5% percentile in intelligence (intelligent enough to be in medical/law school). By definition, those of us (male and female) in that .25% are a rarity.
Els Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I have zero desire to marry a doctor or a lawyer. The work hours would mean I would spend my life alone, and that isn't appealing to me. This is sadly very true. If I could choose at all, I would much prefer that my bf be almost anything else other than a doctor... Anything that doesn't require him to work weekend shifts and all-night shifts and has constant exams and God knows what else. But it's his passion, and thus I should support him in it. It gets better once they hit consultant level. Hopefully.
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I'm referring to potential here. Hot enough to potentially be a stripper -- but not necessarily being a stripper in actuality. A woman who's in top 5% in looks could certainly work as a stripper. That doesn't mean she will necessarily become a stripper, savvy? Let me rephrase it then....come to think of it..I have yet to meet a really successful doctor or lawyer marry a youthful (read: 18-20 y.o) stripper-like beauty who is uneducated-but I have seen them used them for sex and amusement, though...but marry? You do not have much high regard for very intelligent, successful men, huh?
Els Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I'm talking about the part where you urged all men to go to professional school and all women to go to the gym instead of professional school.
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I do think women have it easier. I do not really understand the angst of finding a BF, as I think men are everywhere around just for the pickin'-the question is, as a woman who do you pick? I constantly worry I might pick the wrong guy. God knows, I already have made that mistake!
Leia Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I can't see myself dating a med doctor. Always on call. Then there's the room where they can have sex with their colleagues or nurses. No thanks. Or does that only happen on Grey's Anatomy?
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 They focus their ambition on their work, because they want a guy like that. Of course, working that much, they let their bodies slide towards overweight terrain. Most driven, successful women I have met-use the same drive and discipline when it comes to their physical looks, precisely because they understand, that not only do they have to be intelligent and dedicated they also have to look good in order to succeed.
tami-chan Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 So, most "really successful doctors and lawyers" that you personally know are married to ugly women? Birds of a feather flock together I suppose No they are married to beautiful, intelligent women, who have careers of their own, actually. None were 18-20 year old though. LOL..are you calling me ugly? is that the best you can do? catty!
Leia Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Haha. Male doctors I know hardly go for girls under the age of 25. One of my friend is getting married end of this year and he's a GP, his fiancee is average looking [to me and a few of us]. I don't see what the fuss is about.
Skump Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I do think women have it easier. Well, to be correct, young women have it easier. A disproportionate amount of a woman's mate value is tied up in her looks. That's a double-edged sword as looks are a rapidly depreciating asset. Assuming we're talking about dating in the context of finding a marriage partner, neither men nor women "have it easier" through every stage of life.
JustJoe Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 I have several friends from college who are lawyers and Docs, and I can always get better looking women. Trouble is, that looks are decieving, and frequently hide a mind like a cherrystone clam. For a woman to have killer good looks, plus have a keen intellect, is the jackpot.
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