Author stillafool Posted March 16, 2010 Author Posted March 16, 2010 Stop shoving it in our faces how disposable and not needed we are because women can now make their own money. The whole Gloria Steniem fish and bicyles mentality has really given independent women a stigma in the eyes of many men. Who is shoving it in your face that men are disposable and not needed? I think this is just insecurity on men's part that this is the way they feel when you are around successful career women.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Who is shoving it in your face that men are disposable and not needed? I think this is just insecurity on men's part that this is the way they feel when you are around successful career women. That quote from Gloria Steniem is a real quote and I hear all the time how men are not needed and disposable now that women make their own money. This is the line that women feed to men constantly and then they wonder why men are afraid to be involved with an independent woman. Men do not like to feel useless and disposable and modern independent women go out of their way to make us feel that way.
shadowplay Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 You clearly don't know much about psychology either (or probably bout your own disorder for that matter). It's an anxiety disorder, which is closely related to a personality disorder. In fact, personality and anxiety disorders are so closely related that it's almost ridiculous to separate them. In any case, you clearly have a disorder that could be harmful to your child as a parent, which can cause them to have the same disorder. Whether you are ready or not to have a kid, if you still have the disorder chances are your kid will get it too, in one way or another. The DSM does not classify BDD as a personality disorder. If you knew anything about psychology, you would understand that distinction. BDD has some traits of different personality disorders, but it is not considered a distinct personality disorder. You, Joe Schmo, think they're closely related so it's "ridiculous" to separate them so let's dismiss decades of psychological literature from people who are actually qualified to make such a call. I was a psychology major for two years and took a heavy course load in it, including two classes on personality. I have also read numerous books on my own. I'm far from an expert, but I have more knowledge about psychology than you obviously do. Why don't you stop being a coward and hiding behind that username, Johnny_M or whichever troll you are?
Author stillafool Posted March 16, 2010 Author Posted March 16, 2010 So because some men who have nothing to do with me have done with this I have no right to protect myself from it happening to me. This is what I mean when I say women are seeking revenge and I wish they would just be honest about it. On one hand you chastize men for being afraid of career women but when we voice one of our concerns you dismiss by saying men do it so we deserve to have it done to us. I am not saying you deserve it. I'm just telling Mr. White that women have been in that same position for years. I don't hear him standing up for what we've been through, so I had to point this out to him.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 I am not saying you deserve it. I'm just telling Mr. White that women have been in that same position for years. I don't hear him standing up for what we've been through, so I had to point this out to him. You are not saying we deserve it in those words but you almost sound like you get a sick pleasure out of men going through it. I wish one woman here would be honest about how she really feels. What is so wrong with men protecting ourselves?
Mr White Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 How many men have excelled in their careers and felt they were now too good for the woman who helped them get there. That is the "one" that happens most often. Well, where did I say that men doing something like this is okay? It's still a dick move. But to suggest that this is or has been THE norm in the past is ridiculous. If anything, men have started to do that more in recent feminist times than in the first half of the century. Maybe because it would be particularly hideous to abandon a woman who has no career, hmmm? Now here is an actual distinction, however: whenever men earn more than the woman, they don't believe this entitles them to anything in particular - fair or not, most have accepted that they usually carry the money making burden. But, heaven forbid a woman earns more than a man - nothing would ever be good enough for her. And that's the problem, and the source of men's resentment. We don't expect medals just for doing our darn jobs like many women do. It looks like some women expect medals just for showing up to work. And god help you if she's actually is in high profile profession - chances are all of a sudden she'll be too good for showing some affection or helping out with the housework.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 The fact of the matter is that non-career stepford kind of women just make better wives and partners. If a man wants a happy marriage that lasts he should take a chance on a career woman because she will eventually decide she is too good for him and bail. Why are men wrong for trying to better out odds of having a successful marriage?
Silver_star Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 We don't become dogs to get back at women. We become dogs because that is what women want. Sure they say they want the opposite but in reality look who has the most success with women. And what do you consider success though? Getting sex? Because "dogs" lie and manipulate to increase their number of sexual partners without thinking of consequences or feelings...and if thats what you think women want in a partner your view is very skewed. Just like women who lie and manipulate to get attention or sex..so do guys, and if thats what you consider successful i can see why you might feel unsuccessful. I think maybe you are one of the guys who are drawn to a certain type of women and gets rejected...maybe thats why you feel like a failure and are projecting that anger upon women in general. Do you think every woman out there has only one motivation and thats to have sex with men who treat her poorly. Thats so offbase woggle. You admit you dont want children, and that is fair but what do you want out of life? Do you want to continue to wake up everyday and hate every woman you see because of assumptions made on your experiences? Maybe you need to take a vacation, or go to a therapist, because your future seems grim to me if you truly beleive everything you say.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Getting sex is not all there is to success but treating a woman well only to have her betray you is not succes either but according to women in this thread men deserve that because it is payback time. They may not say that but it is clear how they really feel. Men do not deserve to be treated well according to them. I have what I want out of life which is a good job and good friends. Simply knowing the truth about women does not mean I spend every amount of energy on it.
linwood Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 No, I don't read women or hear women in my personal life plotting to get revenge on all men for what one man has done. The men want to make every woman pay for what one woman did to them. They even ask other men how to basically become "dogs" (even though dogs deserve better than to be compared to them) so they can get back at women. I don't hear such nonsense from women. Most of them have been hurt and want to know how to heal and move on. Well, if you`ve never heard bitter women bitch about men as a whole then a simple Google search should provide evidence that it happens. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=men+suck&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= I don`t see it often in my real life either though and I certainly don`t hear my friends and co-workers hating on women in general either. I just did. Please do. OK..here goes... *Women... complain about never meeting any "nice" guys yet manage to ignore the dozen or so they see on a daily basis preferring instead to chase after that "Bad boy". Trust me, nice guys finish last. *Women... "Just want an honest guy" yet can`t seem to handle the truth. "Honey, does my ass look fat in this skirt?" No ****ing way she wants an honest answer to this or a plethora of other entrapment questions. She most certainly doesn`t want the truth about his fantasies,dreams, and desires. Count on that. *Women.. claim the only thing they want is a good man yet complain incessantly about... the ring he got me... when is he going to propose? More concerned about the big fancy wedding than actually concentrating on the marriage to come. *Women..constantly complain their man doesn`t care about their"emotional needs" but wouldn`t recognize his "emotional needs" if they crapped on her blouse. Hell, just discovering her man has "Emotional needs" is enough to cause her to resent/disrespect him for being "weak" Let me say that these are all vast generalizations about an entire gender but they seem to be very common attitudes I see from women in general. Are you a man? Yes. Good for you. But in real life I am seeing the same. I`m sorry you`re in such strange surroundings. But again, don`t take the postings of the men on this board to be example for the entire gender as a whole. I don`t see it from either gender too much in the real world.
sally4sara Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 I know that there are men in this world who would seek to diminish or punish me for being a woman who believes myself to be an equal to men. Hell, there are women who think I need punished in some manner for feeling this way. Though, I do not fret or worry about protecting myself from these types of people. I am not in a relationship with them, I live in a country with laws to limit their ability to enact such actions, and I am not beholden to anyone so much as to be really vulnerable. I'm not sure why anyone would really fear anyone who has views contrary to their own when those people are not a part of their life. I don't get why anyone would fret too much over the desires for revenge of people they are not married to, do not live under their roof and don't hold any kind of power in their life. I have success with the male gender simply by being content in my relationship and having a good rapport with my son. Who cares if I wouldn't get a long with every man who walks this planet? I can't be married to them all anyway. The fact that there are men I wouldn't get along with doesn't mean I have no success with their gender. I don't get along with all women either. My not getting along with every man on Earth isn't a fact due to the He-man Woman Hater Club anymore than a man's inability to get along with all women due to some woman's movement.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 If feminism were simply about equality I would get on board in a heartbeat.
St. Nick Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 The DSM does not classify BDD as a personality disorder. If you knew anything about psychology, you would understand that distinction. BDD has some traits of different personality disorders, but it is not considered a distinct personality disorder. You, Joe Schmo, think they're closely related so it's "ridiculous" to separate them so let's dismiss decades of psychological literature from people who are actually qualified to make such a call. I was a psychology major for two years and took a heavy course load in it, including two classes on personality. I have also read numerous books on my own. I'm far from an expert, but I have more knowledge about psychology than you obviously do. Why don't you stop being a coward and hiding behind that username, Johnny_M or whichever troll you are? Irregardless, someone who has the disorder as badly as you shouldn't be criticizing other people and telling them they shouldn't be having kids. Cuz you're definitely not qualified to be a mother.
sally4sara Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Irregardless, someone who has the disorder as badly as you shouldn't be criticizing other people and telling them they shouldn't be having kids. Cuz you're definitely not qualified to be a mother. Dude, even he admitted he shouldn't be a father in the state of mind he currently holds. Even if you don't want to listen to her for whatever reason you feel she isn't qualified to have an opinion , couldn't you at least listen to him? Maybe you too shouldn't have kids since you can't help but pick at people for the struggles they experience or allow their words validation for any imperfection you perceive they have. There isn't a kid alive that doesn't have imperfections - well, except mine of course. And its regardless not irregardless.
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