Jersey Shortie Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 You're not even discussing what is wrong with women. You just want to go on attack and blame women for all your issues. At the end of the day, it's you that suffers..not *you* you..the general "you".
blind_otter Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 For example, a single mother will naturally spend her time looking for men to fullfill her emotional needs, and her child is going to be deprive of his/her emotional needs. The above statement is a gross generalization. This isn't the case. I know several single mothers who simply do not date. I am celibate by choice, for example, and I am a single mother. I am old enough, and experienced enough, to realize that one should NEVER look to another person to fulfill their emotional needs. Sure, parents are different. Sometimes both parents emotionally abuse their kids because they only care about their own well-being and fun. That is why there is plenty of very young people who are on antidepressants and who are totally confused about their life and their identity. Typically, this type of parents are happy people who sincerely believe that they are perfect parents. I'd like to know what you are basing your information on, if you don't mind. Because this goes contrary to not only my own experience, but my education as well.
blind_otter Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Whatever . It is WOMEN who view children of extensions of themselves that entitle them to a special princess/mommy treatment - rather than as an offspring in which the fathers have just as much right and responsibility to participate. Most women walk around talking about "MY children", without any consideration for the feelings and the role of the father, and view their husbands as disposable sperm donors as soon as the poor kiddos pop out of their vaginas. Fail. So yes, men do women a favor by sticking with them and helping with the kids in spite of this hideously entitled attitude. Just because you give birth, this doesn't make you better persons... Here's an unnecessary smilie: When men start carrying fetuses for 9 months and ****ting a watermelon for 8 hours, maybe it would be different. But life is not fair, as we are all well aware. I hope that you pass a horrifically painful kidney stone for 10 hours sometime soon. Then you might have an inkling of what "just because you give birth" means. I wish I had your mother's email address so I could forward this pap to her. I am working hard to make sure my son does not have this type of atrocious attitude. For the record - it is my son's FATHER who is using our child as an object to be pulled one way or another. I am the one who is bending over backwards and eating huge platters of **** in order to make it possible for my son and his father to have a relationship. I will sacrifice my own happiness in order for them to have that, even if his father and I are no longer romantically involved.
Mr White Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Here's an unnecessary smilie: When men start carrying fetuses for 9 months and ****ting a watermelon for 8 hours, maybe it would be different. But life is not fair, as we are all well aware. I hope that you pass a horrifically painful kidney stone for 10 hours sometime soon. Then you might have an inkling of what "just because you give birth" means. I wish I had your mother's email address so I could forward this pap to her. I am working hard to make sure my son does not have this type of atrocious attitude. For the record - it is my son's FATHER who is using our child as an object to be pulled one way or another. I am the one who is bending over backwards and eating huge platters of **** in order to make it possible for my son and his father to have a relationship. I will sacrifice my own happiness in order for them to have that, even if his father and I are no longer romantically involved. 9 months of discomfort and a few hours of pain in exchange for a life time of entitlement seems like a pretty good deal to me - especially with the help of modern medicine. I'd gladly take it. It is really, really, silly to even bring this one up:rolleyes: Giving birth isn't anything special or a grand accomplishment. Any girl that can't even read can give birth, like billions before her have (and continue to do). Maybe your ex is a dick, I don't know. Regardless, in the present system any father - good or bad - needs to pull teeth to get to spend just a few days a week or a month with his kid.
threebyfate Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Human beings are either sperm donors or womb donors, until they show through their loving and respectful actions that they're not just biological ancestors.
Mr White Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Human beings are either sperm donors or womb donors, until they show through their loving and respectful actions that they're not just biological ancestors. Exactly, which includes the treatment of the resulting children AND the fellow parent.. Doesn't feel good to be reduced to body-excretion function, does it?
threebyfate Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Exactly, which includes the treatment of the resulting children AND the fellow parent.. Doesn't feel good to be reduced to body-excretion function, does it?But the treatment goes all ways, not just one way to the biological father. Why would this bother me? It's how I see horrific biological parents, who mistreat their children.
Woggle Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Simply giving birth does not make a woman more of a parent. My mother is proof positive of that. I don't deny that it is no picnic for a woman but what happens after that has nothing to do with it.
blind_otter Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 9 months of discomfort and a few hours of pain in exchange for a life time of entitlement seems like a pretty good deal to me - especially with the help of modern medicine. I'd gladly take it. It is really, really, silly to even bring this one up:rolleyes: Giving birth isn't anything special or a grand accomplishment. Any girl that can't even read can give birth, like billions before her have (and continue to do). Maybe your ex is a dick, I don't know. Regardless, in the present system any father - good or bad - needs to pull teeth to get to spend just a few days a week or a month with his kid. I'm not sure what entitlement you speak of. Could you be more specific? Anyways, whatever your opinions are about giving birth are totally meaningless - they have no basis in reality or experience. So, keep that one. I'm sure that it will serve you well with the opposite sex!
tami-chan Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 9 months of discomfort and a few hours of pain in exchange for a life time of entitlement seems like a pretty good deal to me - especially with the help of modern medicine. I'd gladly take it. It is really, really, silly to even bring this one up:rolleyes: Giving birth isn't anything special or a grand accomplishment. Any girl that can't even read can give birth, like billions before her have (and continue to do). Hmmm...I beg to disagree, until you can carry a human being in your body-all you can do is only begin to imagine how that is...so your thoughts on it do not count as you have no basis for it (personal or otherwise). However, I understand the frustration on the feeling of entitlement of some women by virtue of giving birth. Getting pregnant and having a child is for the most part a choice. Women have no right to use that to get back or to screw the lives of men. But for as long as there are men who are irresponsible and think that they can get away with not having to take care of their children, you are going to have women who would resort to using the children against them.
sumdude Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) I don't think there's any way to generalize who benefits more from marriage. It totally depends ob the people in the marriage and their relationship. Ideally it's a symbiotic relationship where each partner takers an equal share of the various responsibilities in life and value each others contributions. If I was to try and quantify my ex-marriage? hmmm.. I think she got the better deal. She definitely left our relationship in better shape than she went into it in a lot of ways. Whereas when she left me I was in worse shape than I was at the beginning. Physically, fiscally and emotionally drained. That's just one case though. She said that marriage was only to have children. When she found she couldn't conceive I think she started planning her exit strategy. Then again she remarried pretty much right away to a guy with a kid... and promptly got her name on the deed of the house. Marriage is like a motorcycle, if one tire blows the whole thing is pretty much useless. Edited March 13, 2010 by sumdude
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Whatever . It is WOMEN who view children of extensions of themselves that entitle them to a special princess/mommy treatment - rather than as an offspring in which the fathers have just as much right and responsibility to participate. Most women walk around talking about "MY children", without any consideration for the feelings and the role of the father, and view their husbands as disposable sperm donors as soon as the poor kiddos pop out of their vaginas. Fail. So yes, men do women a favor by sticking with them and helping with the kids in spite of this hideously entitled attitude. Just because you give birth, this doesn't make you better persons... Well why would she consider them anything else if all you're providing is grass stains from wrestling on the lawn and preening about for people to ponder your looks? She gives birth and puts in the work - all you'd do is act like an over grown child and think it makes them YOUR kids? Complimentary parenting? All you just did is shine light on why a woman would feel justified in calling them HER kids - and include YOU as one of them in that count.
Mr White Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Well why would she consider them anything else if all you're providing is grass stains from wrestling on the lawn and preening about for people to ponder your looks? She gives birth and puts in the work - all you'd do is act like an over grown child and think it makes them YOUR kids? Complimentary parenting? All you just did is shine light on why a woman would feel justified in calling them HER kids - and include YOU as one of them in that count. I get it, men are useless as parents, role models, and partners; after birth they should just disapear and leave the vagina-bearer to do her thing .
Woggle Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 I get it, men are useless as parents, role models, and partners; after birth they should just disapear and leave the vagina-bearer to do her thing . If women would be honest enough to say that I would have a lot more respect for them.
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 I get it, men are useless as parents, role models, and partners; after birth they should just disapear and leave the vagina-bearer to do her thing . If all you have to offer is "complimentary parenting" then you are the one obsoleting your role. This is not something being done to you, this is you choosing to weasel out of being a hands and actively involved parent.
Woggle Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 If all you have to offer is "complimentary parenting" then you are the one obsoleting your role. This is not something being done to you, this is you choosing to weasel out of being a hands and actively involved parent. So there are no men who are active and involved parents?
Woggle Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 You're not even discussing what is wrong with women. You just want to go on attack and blame women for all your issues. At the end of the day, it's you that suffers..not *you* you..the general "you". It is simply men expressing what we honestly feel about modern day love and relationships. I know it might be hard for some women to hear but this is what many men think.
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 So there are no men who are active and involved parents? Reading is great - try it. Mr white posted that he would be doing a woman a favor by being an attractive husband for her to brag about and wrestling on the lawn as part of being a "complimentary parent". this is what he thinks is all it takes to be a parent, but yet complains about women thinking of the kids as her kids. Why wouldn't she if he isn't participating?
Woggle Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Reading is great - try it. Mr white posted that he would be doing a woman a favor by being an attractive husband for her to brag about and wrestling on the lawn as part of being a "complimentary parent". this is what he thinks is all it takes to be a parent, but yet complains about women thinking of the kids as her kids. Why wouldn't she if he isn't participating? This is not what he meant. What he meant is that most women view fathers as useless sperm donors and there is much truth to that with a few exceptions.
Mr White Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 If all you have to offer is "complimentary parenting" then you are the one obsoleting your role. This is not something being done to you, this is you choosing to weasel out of being a hands and actively involved parent. Ahem... follow your own advice and exercise reading comprehension --> "complimentary"???? No, sweetie - complementary. There are things that the mother can't or shouldn't do, and vice versa. There are many ways to express devotion, and just because you choose to read my musings literally says more about the axe you have to grind than of my desire for a situation where reciprocal devotion is reciprocally appreciated.
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 This is not what he meant. What he meant is that most women view fathers as useless sperm donors and there is much truth to that with a few exceptions. How do you know what he meant? I read his post, he is only interested playing boy scouts with boy children and has no idea of what parenting is beyond this. Either that or all that other stuff left over is, in his mind, the mother's job. You can't pick and choose being a parent when it is fun and easy and call yourself a father. And if this is the kind of person you are to your kids, YOU create the reasons for why someone else would assume ownership of the kids.
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 There are things that the mother can't or shouldn't do, and vice versa. Oh pray tell, what are these things? I could use a laugh.
sally4sara Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 (i.e. only in this scenario I'd be happy to provide my share of the "benefits" - such as a good loking/accommplished guy to show around to her gfs (), complementary help with raising kids (i.e. wrestle the kids on the lawn, take them hiking and other fatherly things), set up and maintain the family castle, etc. etc. etc. All this things are highly enjoyable if the woman in quesiton is actually family minded, and a slavery if the woman is the entitled princess type. Dude, play spell check when I quesiton you to do so, till then stay on topic and stop loking for ways to feel accommplished without merit. The above, are things a mother can do and they are only enjoyable things. Plan on being "busy" all the other times?
Tres Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 I'd like to know what you are basing your information on, if you don't mind. Because this goes contrary to not only my own experience, but my education as well. I mean that any extremes are bad. Parents who are self-absorbed with their own happiness and success do not have time to talk with their kids. Parents who are self-absorbed with their own unhappiness and failure do not have time to talk with their own kids as well.
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